Can This Black Box See Into the Future?

[Guest guest]

dear group .

 

Sounds fascinating.

But you know the number one rule about statistics:

Only trust in those statistics you have falsified yourself.

 

The difference between significant and non significant often is just a question of the method you use.

 

"Critics of the lab -- and there are many -- would not give a nickel for this work. Some think the research is, at best, beside the point; others believe it is plain wrong.

My scepticism is about statistical methods. No idea if these scientists choose their methods in a way to get a significant result because they want to get a significant result. It's a tricky thing with statistical methods. One can easily befool oneself. Of course the sceptics can have a resistance against a new scientific insight. Time will show.

 

My personal experinece with computers is, and with electronics in general, that these instruments ARE sensible for psychic energies. I have no proof for it. But I have observed more than once that when I am in a hurry to do something on the computer, if I am impatient, the possibility that something goes wrong increases. The computer may get stuck, or the boot process doesn't run as it should and I have to do a reset, things like that. I have not done any statistics on that if there is some significance between my moods and those happenings. But my experience says there is a connection.

 

My explanation is, in the countless jumps of electrons in microchips some jumps are instable, are almost fifty fifty to go in one direction or the other. One direction gives zero, the other direction gives 1. These almost fifty fifty jumps can be influenced by psychic energies and can create a result so a computer gets stuck for example. Usually the jumps are not almost fifty fifty in their direction. These stable jumps are not influenced. So whenever in nature there are phenomenons that are very fragile and instable a door opens for a psychic influence. Microelectronics is very open to this because it offers a large number of instable processes. It's quite another thing to try to move a stone by psychic energies from the ground up on the table.

 

Now these are just subjective observations. But I wouldn't wonder if a detailed search in that direction would show significant results.

 

The EGG project may really give significant results. The electronic random generators run permanently and they create a lot of instable processes that are open to psychic influence. But still scepticism is necessary, it is a basic necessity for scientific work. If scepticism stops one from experimenting in new directions then it is closedness. And experimenting without scepticism makes one a believer, it's closedness as well. But experimenting with scepticism is the scientific way.

 

with Love prashanth

 

 

, "prashanthnair999" <prashanthnair999 wrote:>> Can This Black Box See Into the Future?> Posted on: Friday, 11 February 2005, 00:00 CST> > DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a> small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side,> that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.> > At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in> metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the> ones found in modern pocket calculators.> > But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite> extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that> appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world> events.> > The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World> Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood> of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back> by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the> Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the> epic tragedy.> > Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with> apparently inexplicable powers.> > 'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher> at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the> research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.> > 'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going> on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's> investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally> hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most> extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all> of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into> without realising.> > And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising> possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of> predicting the future.> > Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than> fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists> from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein> spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities> in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is> also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the> potential powers of the paranormal.> > 'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long> enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam.> 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The> effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project> has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of> Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first> modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by> such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to> move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory> perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most> up-to-date technology available.> > One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a> Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate> two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather> like an electronic coin-flipper.> > The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could> then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the> generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which> would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation> from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.> > During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the> power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the> machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked> them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he> was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.> > It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were> stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.> > Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could> influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph,> 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.> > According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have> happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.> > Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof> Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which> were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were> eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts> in the patterns of numbers.> > From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.> > Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all> over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran> constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of> data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more> or less like a flat line.> > But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened:> the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the> number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge> deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another> reason, too.> > For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the> world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster> Abbey.> > Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.> > Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated> emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the> output of his REGs. If so, how?> > Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.> > So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to> analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and> deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness> Project was born.> > Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as> the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited> to act as the 'eyes' of the project.> > And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.> > For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole> series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato> bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung> election of 2000.> > The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New> Year's Eve.> > But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.> > As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks> unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.> > Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but> the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours> before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.> > They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was> about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful> flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services> who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.> > 'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr> Nelson.> > What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?> > Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the> machines went wild once more.> > Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean> triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the> lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.> > So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the> future?> > Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global> event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines> behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and> terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are> the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw> data?> > The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using> rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible> to exclude any such random connections.> > 'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr> Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone> else.> > Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by> fluke are one million to one against.> > That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.> > Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths> College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated> some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm> involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't> managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still> out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of> physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.> > It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but> backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it> might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in> effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.> > 'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof> Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.> > 'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in> our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all> capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden> power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to> support this theory.> > Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the> Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense> the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning> machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.> > He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.> > When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's> brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was> to be expected.> > Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic> patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures> were even flashed up.> > It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the> future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.> > It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.> > But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's> work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected> people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to> electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods -> indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.> > Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while> measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds> before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly> impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments.> And he kept getting the same results.> > 'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the> experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I> started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters> even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have> now produced similar results but are yet to go public.> > 'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,'> he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results> at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more> thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no> laughing matter.> > They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange> phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that> we have all experienced from time to time.> > They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day> we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune> in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in> Edinburgh.> > Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could> we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic> abilities?> > Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to> predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know> exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.> > 'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the> CIA.'> > But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to> detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less> importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.> > For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all> operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far> greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.> > 'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by> society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.> > We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'> > > > http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into_\> the_future/> <http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into\> _the_future/>>

[Guest guest]

it would be fascinating to know wht they named black box, sintead og any other options,

in the first place, also whether they consulted any vedic astrologer or rajya jytoshis for this.

 

hope the box predicts accurately who will win LS 2009 before it becomes obsolete

or its timer faces y2k+8 bug

 

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Banks-dip-into-FCNRBs-to-meet-India-Inc-needs/390563/

all in good humour & scientific spiri

 

http://www.minglebox.com/user.do?method=registerUser

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear group .

 

Sounds fascinating.

But you know the number one rule about statistics:

Only trust in those statistics you have falsified yourself.

 

The difference between significant and non significant often is just a question of the method you use.

 

" Critics of the lab -- and there are many -- would not give a nickel for this work. Some think the research is, at best, beside the point; others believe it is plain wrong.

 

My scepticism is about statistical methods. No idea if these scientists choose their methods in a way to get a significant result because they want to get a significant result. It's a tricky thing with statistical methods. One can easily befool oneself. Of course the sceptics can have a resistance against a new scientific insight. Time will show.

 

My personal experinece with computers is, and with electronics in general, that these instruments ARE sensible for psychic energies. I have no proof for it. But I have observed more than once that when I am in a hurry to do something on the computer, if I am impatient, the possibility that something goes wrong increases. The computer may get stuck, or the boot process doesn't run as it should and I have to do a reset, things like that. I have not done any statistics on that if there is some significance between my moods and those happenings. But my experience says there is a connection.

 

My explanation is, in the countless jumps of electrons in microchips some jumps are instable, are almost fifty fifty to go in one direction or the other. One direction gives zero, the other direction gives 1. These almost fifty fifty jumps can be influenced by psychic energies and can create a result so a computer gets stuck for example. Usually the jumps are not almost fifty fifty in their direction. These stable jumps are not influenced. So whenever in nature there are phenomenons that are very fragile and instable a door opens for a psychic influence. Microelectronics is very open to this because it offers a large number of instable processes. It's quite another thing to try to move a stone by psychic energies from the ground up on the table.

 

Now these are just subjective observations. But I wouldn't wonder if a detailed search in that direction would show significant results.

 

The EGG project may really give significant results. The electronic random generators run permanently and they create a lot of instable processes that are open to psychic influence. But still scepticism is necessary, it is a basic necessity for scientific work. If scepticism stops one from experimenting in new directions then it is closedness. And experimenting without scepticism makes one a believer, it's closedness as well. But experimenting with scepticism is the scientific way.

 

with Love prashanth

 

 

 

 

 

, " prashanthnair999 " <prashanthnair999 wrote:>> Can This Black Box See Into the Future?

> Posted on: Friday, 11 February 2005, 00:00 CST> > DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a> small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side,

> that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.> > At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in> metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the

> ones found in modern pocket calculators.> > But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite> extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that

> appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world> events.> > The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World> Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood

> of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back> by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the> Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the

> epic tragedy.> > Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with> apparently inexplicable powers.> > 'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher

> at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the> research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.> > 'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going

> on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's> investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally> hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most

> extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all> of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into> without realising.> > And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising

> possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of> predicting the future.> > Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than> fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists

> from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein> spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities> in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is

> also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the> potential powers of the paranormal.> > 'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long> enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam.

> 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The> effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project> has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of

> Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first> modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by> such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to

> move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory> perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most> up-to-date technology available.> > One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a

> Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate> two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather> like an electronic coin-flipper.> > The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could

> then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the> generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which> would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation

> from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.> > During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the> power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the

> machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked> them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he> was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

> > It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were> stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.> > Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could

> influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph,> 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.> > According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have

> happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.> > Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof> Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which

> were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were> eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts> in the patterns of numbers.> > From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.

> > Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all> over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran> constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of

> data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more> or less like a flat line.> > But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened:> the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the

> number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge> deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another> reason, too.> > For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the

> world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster> Abbey.> > Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.> > Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated

> emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the> output of his REGs. If so, how?> > Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.> > So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to

> analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and> deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness> Project was born.> > Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as

> the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited> to act as the 'eyes' of the project.> > And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

> > For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole> series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato> bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung

> election of 2000.> > The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New> Year's Eve.> > But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

> > As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks> unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.> > Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but

> the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours> before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.> > They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was

> about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful> flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services> who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

> > 'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr> Nelson.> > What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?> > Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the

> machines went wild once more.> > Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean> triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the> lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

> > So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the> future?> > Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global> event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines

> behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and> terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are> the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw

> data?> > The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using> rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible> to exclude any such random connections.

> > 'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr> Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone> else.> > Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by

> fluke are one million to one against.> > That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.> > Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths> College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated

> some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm> involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't> managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still

> out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of> physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.> > It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but

> backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it> might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in> effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.

> > 'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof> Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.> > 'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in

> our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all> capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden> power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to

> support this theory.> > Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the> Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense> the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning

> machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.> > He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.> > When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's

> brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was> to be expected.> > Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic> patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures

> were even flashed up.> > It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the> future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.> > It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.

> > But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's> work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected> people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to

> electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods -> indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.> > Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while

> measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds> before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly> impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments.

> And he kept getting the same results.> > 'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the> experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I

> started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters> even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have> now produced similar results but are yet to go public.

> > 'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,'> he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results> at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more

> thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no> laughing matter.> > They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange> phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that

> we have all experienced from time to time.> > They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day> we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune

> in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in> Edinburgh.> > Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could> we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic

> abilities?> > Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to> predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know> exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.

> > 'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the> CIA.'> > But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to> detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less

> importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.> > For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all> operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far

> greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.> > 'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by> society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.

> > We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'> > > > http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into_\

> the_future/> <http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into\> _the_future/>

>

[Guest guest]

dear grp

It is black cat , that is the right word

 

and do CAT scan ,or do atleast dog scan

or sing the old nursery rhyme ,blah blah blah black sheep in xian wool .or london bridge is falling .

It is some thing Like xian science which is quackery .

Quackery, eh? No wonder de la Warr has been harrased and persecuted by orthodox, sceptic science. What was the scientist's name again, the one who discovered that imaginary substance called Orgone? Reich, Wilhelm Reich, yes that was his name. He was brought before court, convicted for quackery, thrown into jail, and all of his books were burned. Rightfully so and well-deserved!

 

 

Somehow tragic that science has fallen in the same trap that it fought in the beginning. In the beginning science had to fight against believes crated by religions, famous example are the flat earth or the sun orbiting the earth and the like. Once more a dialectic movement. Science has created at least partial a believe system that is closed against new dimensions and discoveries.

 

 

About doubt and scepticism ... I have not that clearcut discrimination between these two words to outline it . For me these words are more synonymous. Maybe in your language the words have a different colour .

 

In wiki I read, "Ein Skeptiker (von griechisch σκεπτικός, skeptikós) ist wörtlich übersetzt ein Ausschau haltender oder Untersuchender. " So this Greek word skeptikós means literally one who keeps an eye out for something or one who is investigating / examinating something. This doesn't sound like someone who is closed.

 

I would say, a sceptic has his doubts about something, a believer is closed. You can believe in two ways, one is to believe something is true without any doubt, the other way is to believe something cannot be true, without any doubt either. Scientists have created a believe system. This system defines what science has to be. All that is beyond the borders of this definition for these scientists is not science, is voodoo, superstition, rubbish or whatever.

 

But there is no trouble. Religions did not succeed in keeping the earth flat, and these scientist will not succeed with their closed system of science. Borders like this cannot exist for long.

 

 

with Love and wishes for a cat/sheep scan

 

prashanth Nair

In xianity every one is a sheep ,if so i am shepherd .I got converted .

, "dipika blr" <blr.aspirant wrote:>> it would be fascinating to know wht they named black box, sintead og any> other options,> in the first place, also whether they consulted any vedic astrologer or> rajya jytoshis for this.> > hope the box predicts accurately who will win LS 2009 before it becomes> obsolete> or its timer faces y2k+8 bug> > http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Banks-dip-into-FCNRBs-to-meet-India-Inc-needs/390563/> all in good humour & scientific spiri> > http://www.minglebox.com/user.do?method=registerUser> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM, prashanthnair999 <> prashanthnair999 wrote:> > >> > dear group .> >> > Sounds fascinating.> > But you know the number one rule about statistics:> > Only trust in those statistics you have falsified yourself.> >> > The difference between significant and non significant often is just a> > question of the method you use.> >> > "Critics of the lab -- and there are many -- would not give a nickel for> > this work. Some think the research is, at best, beside the point; others> > believe it is plain wrong.> > My scepticism is about statistical methods. No idea if these scientists> > choose their methods in a way to get a significant result because they want> > to get a significant result. It's a tricky thing with statistical methods.> > One can easily befool oneself. Of course the sceptics can have a resistance> > against a new scientific insight. Time will show.> >> > My personal experinece with computers is, and with electronics in general,> > that these instruments ARE sensible for psychic energies. I have no proof> > for it. But I have observed more than once that when I am in a hurry to do> > something on the computer, if I am impatient, the possibility that something> > goes wrong increases. The computer may get stuck, or the boot process> > doesn't run as it should and I have to do a reset, things like that. I have> > not done any statistics on that if there is some significance between my> > moods and those happenings. But my experience says there is a connection.> >> > My explanation is, in the countless jumps of electrons in microchips some> > jumps are instable, are almost fifty fifty to go in one direction or the> > other. One direction gives zero, the other direction gives 1. These almost> > fifty fifty jumps can be influenced by psychic energies and can create a> > result so a computer gets stuck for example. Usually the jumps are not> > almost fifty fifty in their direction. These stable jumps are not> > influenced. So whenever in nature there are phenomenons that are very> > fragile and instable a door opens for a psychic influence. Microelectronics> > is very open to this because it offers a large number of instable processes.> > It's quite another thing to try to move a stone by psychic energies from the> > ground up on the table.> >> > Now these are just subjective observations. But I wouldn't wonder if a> > detailed search in that direction would show significant results.> >> > The EGG project may really give significant results. The electronic random> > generators run permanently and they create a lot of instable processes that> > are open to psychic influence. But still scepticism is necessary, it is a> > basic necessity for scientific work. If scepticism stops one from> > experimenting in new directions then it is closedness. And experimenting> > without scepticism makes one a believer, it's closedness as well. But> > experimenting with scepticism is the scientific way.> >> > with Love prashanth> >> >> >> >> >> > , "prashanthnair999"> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > >> > > Can This Black Box See Into the Future?> > > Posted on: Friday, 11 February 2005, 00:00 CST> > >> > > DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a> > > small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side,> > > that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.> > >> > > At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in> > > metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the> > > ones found in modern pocket calculators.> > >> > > But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite> > > extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that> > > appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world> > > events.> > >> > > The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World> > > Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood> > > of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back> > > by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the> > > Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the> > > epic tragedy.> > >> > > Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with> > > apparently inexplicable powers.> > >> > > 'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher> > > at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the> > > research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.> > >> > > 'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going> > > on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's> > > investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally> > > hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most> > > extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all> > > of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into> > > without realising.> > >> > > And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising> > > possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of> > > predicting the future.> > >> > > Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than> > > fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists> > > from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein> > > spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities> > > in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is> > > also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the> > > potential powers of the paranormal.> > >> > > 'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long> > > enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam.> > > 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The> > > effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project> > > has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of> > > Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first> > > modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by> > > such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to> > > move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory> > > perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most> > > up-to-date technology available.> > >> > > One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a> > > Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate> > > two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather> > > like an electronic coin-flipper.> > >> > > The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could> > > then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the> > > generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which> > > would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation> > > from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.> > >> > > During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the> > > power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the> > > machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked> > > them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he> > > was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.> > >> > > It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were> > > stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.> > >> > > Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could> > > influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph,> > > 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.> > >> > > According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have> > > happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.> > >> > > Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof> > > Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which> > > were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were> > > eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts> > > in the patterns of numbers.> > >> > > From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.> > >> > > Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all> > > over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran> > > constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of> > > data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more> > > or less like a flat line.> > >> > > But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened:> > > the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the> > > number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge> > > deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another> > > reason, too.> > >> > > For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the> > > world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster> > > Abbey.> > >> > > Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.> > >> > > Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated> > > emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the> > > output of his REGs. If so, how?> > >> > > Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.> > >> > > So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to> > > analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and> > > deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness> > > Project was born.> > >> > > Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as> > > the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited> > > to act as the 'eyes' of the project.> > >> > > And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.> > >> > > For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole> > > series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato> > > bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung> > > election of 2000.> > >> > > The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New> > > Year's Eve.> > >> > > But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.> > >> > > As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks> > > unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.> > >> > > Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but> > > the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours> > > before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.> > >> > > They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was> > > about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful> > > flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services> > > who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.> > >> > > 'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr> > > Nelson.> > >> > > What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?> > >> > > Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the> > > machines went wild once more.> > >> > > Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean> > > triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the> > > lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.> > >> > > So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the> > > future?> > >> > > Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global> > > event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines> > > behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and> > > terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are> > > the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw> > > data?> > >> > > The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using> > > rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible> > > to exclude any such random connections.> > >> > > 'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr> > > Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone> > > else.> > >> > > Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by> > > fluke are one million to one against.> > >> > > That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.> > >> > > Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths> > > College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated> > > some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm> > > involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't> > > managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still> > > out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of> > > physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.> > >> > > It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but> > > backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it> > > might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in> > > effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.> > >> > > 'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof> > > Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.> > >> > > 'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in> > > our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all> > > capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden> > > power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to> > > support this theory.> > >> > > Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the> > > Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense> > > the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning> > > machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.> > >> > > He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.> > >> > > When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's> > > brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was> > > to be expected.> > >> > > Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic> > > patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures> > > were even flashed up.> > >> > > It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the> > > future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.> > >> > > It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.> > >> > > But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's> > > work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected> > > people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to> > > electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods -> > > indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.> > >> > > Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while> > > measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds> > > before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly> > > impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments.> > > And he kept getting the same results.> > >> > > 'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the> > > experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I> > > started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters> > > even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have> > > now produced similar results but are yet to go public.> > >> > > 'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,'> > > he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results> > > at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more> > > thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no> > > laughing matter.> > >> > > They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange> > > phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that> > > we have all experienced from time to time.> > >> > > They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day> > > we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune> > > in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in> > > Edinburgh.> > >> > > Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could> > > we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic> > > abilities?> > >> > > Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to> > > predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know> > > exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.> > >> > > 'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the> > > CIA.'> > >> > > But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to> > > detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less> > > importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.> > >> > > For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all> > > operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far> > > greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.> > >> > > 'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by> > > society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.> > >> > > We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'> > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into_\<http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into_%5C>> > > the_future/> > > <> > http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into\<http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into%5C>> > > _the_future/>> > >> >> > > >>

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Dear All, The following article is from: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into_the_future/ Lov and Regards,Sreenadh===========================================

Can This Black Box See Into the Future?

Posted on: Friday, 11 February 2005, 00:00 CST

DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.

At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the ones found in modern pocket calculators.

But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events.

The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the epic tragedy.

Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with apparently inexplicable powers.

'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.

'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into without realising.

And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of predicting the future.

Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal.

'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam. 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most up-to-date technology available.

One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather like an electronic coin-flipper.

The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph, 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.

 

 

According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.

Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts in the patterns of numbers.

From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.

Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too.

For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey.

Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.

Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the output of his REGs. If so, how?

Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.

So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness Project was born.

Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung election of 2000.

The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New Year's Eve.

But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.

Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.

They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr Nelson.

What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?

Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the machines went wild once more.

Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the future?

Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw data?

The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible to exclude any such random connections.

'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone else.

Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by fluke are one million to one against.

That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.

Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.

It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.

'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.

'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to support this theory.

Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.

He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.

When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was to be expected.

Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures were even flashed up.

It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.

It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.

But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods - indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.

Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments. And he kept getting the same results.

'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have now produced similar results but are yet to go public.

'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,' he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no laughing matter.

They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that we have all experienced from time to time.

They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in Edinburgh.

Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic abilities?

Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.

'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the CIA.'

But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.

For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.

'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.

We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'

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On the Net:

Global Consciousness Project

Princeton University

Source: Daily Mail; London (UK)===========================================

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The Great Palmist " Cheiro" also used such a machine.

regards/Bhaskar.

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> The following article is from:> http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into_\> the_future/> <http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/126649/can_this_black_box_see_into\> _the_future/>> Lov and Regards,> Sreenadh> ===========================================> Can This Black Box See Into the Future?> Posted on: Friday, 11 February 2005, 00:00 CST> > DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a> small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side,> that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.> > At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in> metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the> ones found in modern pocket calculators.> > But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite> extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that> appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world> events.> > The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World> Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood> of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back> by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the> Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the> epic tragedy.> > Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with> apparently inexplicable powers.> > 'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher> at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the> research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.> > 'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going> on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's> investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally> hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most> extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all> of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into> without realising.> > And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising> possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of> predicting the future.> > Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than> fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists> from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein> spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities> in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is> also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the> potential powers of the paranormal.> > 'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long> enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam.> 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The> effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project> has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of> Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first> modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by> such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to> move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory> perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most> up-to-date technology available.> > One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a> Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate> two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather> like an electronic coin-flipper.> > The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could> then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the> generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which> would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation> from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.> > During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the> power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the> machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked> them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he> was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.> > It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were> stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.> > Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could> influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph,> 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.> > According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have> happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.> > Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof> Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which> were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were> eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts> in the patterns of numbers.> > From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.> > Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all> over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran> constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of> data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more> or less like a flat line.> > But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened:> the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the> number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge> deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another> reason, too.> > For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the> world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster> Abbey.> > Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.> > Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated> emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the> output of his REGs. If so, how?> > Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.> > So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to> analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and> deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness> Project was born.> > Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as> the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited> to act as the 'eyes' of the project.> > And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.> > For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole> series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato> bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung> election of 2000.> > The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New> Year's Eve.> > But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.> > As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks> unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.> > Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but> the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours> before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.> > They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was> about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful> flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services> who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.> > 'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr> Nelson.> > What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?> > Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the> machines went wild once more.> > Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean> triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the> lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.> > So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the> future?> > Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global> event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines> behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and> terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are> the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw> data?> > The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using> rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible> to exclude any such random connections.> > 'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr> Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone> else.> > Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by> fluke are one million to one against.> > That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.> > Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths> College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated> some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm> involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't> managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still> out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of> physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.> > It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but> backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it> might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in> effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.> > 'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof> Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.> > 'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in> our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all> capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden> power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to> support this theory.> > Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the> Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense> the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning> machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.> > He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.> > When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's> brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was> to be expected.> > Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic> patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures> were even flashed up.> > It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the> future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.> > It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.> > But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's> work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected> people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to> electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods -> indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.> > Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while> measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds> before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly> impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments.> And he kept getting the same results.> > 'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the> experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I> started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters> even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have> now produced similar results but are yet to go public.> > 'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,'> he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results> at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more> thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no> laughing matter.> > They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange> phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that> we have all experienced from time to time.> > They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day> we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune> in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in> Edinburgh.> > Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could> we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic> abilities?> > Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to> predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know> exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.> > 'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the> CIA.'> > But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to> detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less> importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.> > For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all> operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far> greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.> > 'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by> society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.> > We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'> > -----> > On the Net:> > Global Consciousness Project <http://noosphere.princeton.edu/>> > Princeton University <http://www.princeton.edu/>> > > Source: Daily Mail; London (UK)> > ===========================================>