Fwd: A temple or a school of astronomy?

November 26, 2008

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Shri Prashanth Nairji,

Namaskar!

< did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva

linga ??>

Since how long has it been going on like that in that temple? Any

idea? Secondly, why have you missed the main points of the article

of the Deccan Herald that you have quoted yourself that it is talking

of the two real solstices and equinoxes which are an anathema

to " Vedic astrologers " , for whom the so called nirayana Rashis---

especially the Lahiri ones---are the be all and end all of Jyotsiha

shastra! You are also overlooking the fact conveniently that even

the so called Makar Sankranti takes place on January 16 (and not

January 14!) according to Ramana Ayanamsha and on yet some other day

according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and still some other date as per

Tilaka Ayanamsha and so on! Do you mean to say that even

Gangadareswara temple is partial to " almighty " Lahiri? Tut, tut,tut

for poor stalwarts of other ayanamshas!

< it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly

it is when sun enters makar rasi>

Again, you are saying so only because you have not studied the Surya

Sidhanta yourself. If you had read it, you would never have made

such a baselesss and threfore foolish statement!

The SS has broadcast from housetops, and I have repeated it hundreds

of times, " Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades

tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam. dvirashinathah ritavas tatoapi

shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah " -- i.e

the " six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the year

which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of Dakshinayana

start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata

Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the

same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year " -

(Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!

There are innumerable similar other statements not only in the Surya

Sidhanta but in other sidhantas also!

It is thus evident that the Surya Sidhanta, like all the Puranas

etc., is talkig of a seasonal year and the Rashis are a ditto copy of

Grecho-Chaldean astronomy---since Capricorn, an English/Greek synonym

of Makara Sankranti, is the shortest day of the year, known as Winter

Solstice in English and Uttarayana in Sanskrit! Similarly, as per

Grecho-Chaldean astronomy, Karkata sankrnati (known as Cancer ingress

in English) is the longest day of the year and that is also the

Summer Solstice, known as Dakshinayana in Sanskrit! As such, the

Mesha etc. Sankrantis that the SS had actually wanted the Hindus to

follow were the Western Capricorn and Cancer ingress etc. because

there are no Mesha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga

Jyotisha or in the Yajur Jyotisha etc.

However, Maya the mlechha has actually made a mess while giving the

fundamental arguments and that is what has trapped the good for

nothing Hindu jyotishis over the last several centuries in a baseless

controversy like sayana versus nirayana!

The real problem arises and the confusion gets worst confounded as

the calculated longitudes as per the SS algorithms do not tally at

all with any sort of actual astronomical parameters, when actually

they should have tallied exactly with the so called sayana longitudes

as per its own conditions and dictates that the six months of

Uttarayana start from Makar Sankranti and so on!

The problem gets complicated further after the Ayanamsha corrections

of Triprashna Adhikara 9/10 sholkas as per the Surya Sidhanta itself

are made in the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti since then it falls 46

days before the SS calculated Uttarayana i.e. around November 28---

and not on January 14---least of all December 21---these days!

Thus here also you are caught on the wrong foot because you repeat

like a parrot only what your mentors are dinning into your ears-- " His

mater's voice " !

<tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya bhagavan>

I really pity your ignorance and am also amused at your pathetic

condition as to how you are being made a " shikhandi " by some vested

interests since you are not only putting your ignorance on public

display with such statments but also casting reflections/aspersions

on some sincere peoples' efforts to streamline the Hindu calendar!

If you had read the Surya Sidhanta yourself, you would not have made

such a non-sensical statement that it was some Surya Muni instead of

Surya Bhagwan which Maya the mlechha claims to have learnt astronomy

from!

Here are the 2nd to 6th sholkas from the very first adhyana of the

original SS:

(2)alpavshishte tu krite Mayo nama Mahasurah, rahasyam parmam punyam,

jijnyasur jnyanam uttamam

(3)vedangam agryam akhilam jyotisham gati karanam, aaradhayan

vivasvantam tapastepe sudushkaram

(4) toshitas tapasa tena preetas-tasmai vararthine, grahanam charitam

pradan Mayaya SAVITA SVAYAM

(5) viditaste maya bhavah tapasa aradhitats-tvaham, dadyam

kalashrayam jnyanam jyotisham charitam mahat

(6) na me tejas-saha kashchid-akhyatum nasti me kshyanah, madamshah

purushoayam me nishchayaste kathayishyeti

This is how Burgess has translated these sholkas, quite faithfully:

" (2) When but little of the krita yuga was left, a great demon named

Maya, being desirous to know that mysterious, supreme, pure and

exalted science.

(3) That chief auxiliary of the vedanga, in its entirety, the cause,

namely of the motion of the heavenly jyotis, performed, in

propitiation of the Sun, very severe religious austerities

(4) Gratified by these austerities, and rendered propitious, the SUN

HIMSELF delivered unto that Maya, who besought a boon, the system of

the planets.

(5) The blessed Sun spoke: Thine intent is known to me; I am

gratified by thine austerities; I wil give thee the science upon

which time is founded, the grand system of the planets.

(6) No one is able to endure my brilliancy; for communication I have

no leisure; this person, who is a part of me, shall relate to thee

the whole.

It is thus evident that Maya the asura (demon!) has claimed that the

algorithms of the most monstrous astronomical work viz. the Surya

Sidhanta were " revealed " (sic!) to him not by some Rishi named Surya

but by Surya Bhagwan himself!

Pl, stop making a fool of yourself and do some spade work yourself

instead of being taken for a ride by your " Bishops " and " Popes " .

A K Kaul

HinduCalendar , " prashanthnair999 "

<prashanthnair999@> wrote:

>

> , " prashanthnair999 "

> <prashanthnair999@> wrote:

>

> dear group

>

> did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva

linga ??

>

> it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly

it is

> when sun enters makar rasi

>

> so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real

calender

> of world decided by surya bhagavan

>

> tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

> principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya

bhagavan .

>

> because the aim is to spread confusion

>

> regrds prashanth nair

>

> , " prashanthnair999 "

> prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> >

> > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at the

Gavi

> > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, but

in the

> > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you visit

this

> > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they

mean

> > something hitherto unknown, she explains.

> >

>

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> \

> > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of paintings;

> running

> > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,

pictorially.

> > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas and

> > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting caught my

> > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such

> beautiful

> > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi Gangadhareshwara

> temple

> > at the heart of Bangalore.

> > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is

Surya

> > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way through

> > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a

specific

> > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be another

day

> in

> > the year when this would happen again, bothered me constantly. My

> > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making desperate

> attempts

> > to verify it for almost for six years.

> >

> > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of acquaintances

> waited

> > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open

only if

> it

> > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. All

three

> of

> > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the idol

over a

> > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.

> >

> > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to

many

> and

> > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We tried in

2007

> > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of

you to

> > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is

slated

> for

> > January 14.

> >

> > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple

consequence of

> > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south direction.

As is

> > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 is

the

> > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations are

all

> > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of

> > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day,

making

> it

> > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the day is

> aptly

> > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The

duration of

> > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This day

is

> > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and

reaches

> a

> > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the sun can

> > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. Thus,

> except

> > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the

sun is

> > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the Surya

> > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.

> >

> > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or

even

> the

> > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-south

> > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none

> > existed.

> >

> > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two huge

discs

> > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my trips

to the

> > temple extended to other dates in the year.

> >

> > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave marks

the

> > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs

> indicate

> > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, the

> shadow

> > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the

eastern

> > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of the

shadow

> > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My calculations

> showed

> > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the

shadow

> of

> > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens

only on

> > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.

> > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha falls

> > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour

before

> > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple

designed for

> > the purpose of marking solstices.

> > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably

either

> > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because the

> second

> > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any other

> > reason?

> > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The two

discs

> > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, 1792.

> > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most

> importantly,

> > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana.

(There is

> a

> > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this

view.)

> > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze

cover

> is

> > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.

> >

> > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.

> > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are

missing

> now.

> > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation has

been

> > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed inside a

> larger

> > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not part of

the

> > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of

sun's

> > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. They

> took

> > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. The

> terms

> > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.

Therefore

> > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the

> > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka

Sankranthi)

> > and eventually forgotten.

> >

> > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the

surroundings.

> > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear

view of

> > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was perhaps a

> water

> > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs serve a

> dual

> > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset of

summer

> > solstice.

> >

> > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated

astronomers?

> > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted temple.

Was

> > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell?

Historians

> > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a

school

> of

> > astronomy?

> > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, Bangalore.

> > Website: taralaya.org)

> >

>

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November 26, 2008

dear respected pandit kaul ji

namskaram

here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is given by surya to mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so it is not maya the mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .

another lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that it is wrong in principles

did u read yavana jatakam and see what is says ??

do u r spade work

did u got time to see messge numbr 870 and answer it ???

did u read prashna maarga ??

regrds Prashanth Nair

NB

this is jhora planetary positions on jan 14th 2008 for delhi over ur house and head in rohini ,delhi

January 14, 2009Time: 20:15:45Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00" Delhi, IndiaBody Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 3 Le 32' 20.31" Magh 2 Le TaSun - DK 0 Cp 35' 32.53" USha 2 Cp CpMoon - BK 17 Le 56' 32.28" PPha 2 Le ViMars - AmK 19 Sg 51' 19.13" PSha 2 Sg ViMercury ® - PK 12 Cp 56' 13.38" Srav 1 Cp ArJupiter - GK 8 Cp 07' 07.27" USha 4 Cp PiVenus - MK 17 Aq 42' 41.23" Sata 4 Aq PiSaturn ® - AK 27 Le 36' 14.77" UPha 1 Le SgRahu 16 Cp 15' 18.46" Srav 2 Cp TaKetu 16 Cn 15' 18.46" Push 4 Cn Sc

see the diffrnce between the valentine day calender and surya sidhanta .Stop fooling others

, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:

> HinduCalendar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> > Shri Prashanth Nairji,> Namaskar!> < did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva> linga ??>> Since how long has it been going on like that in that temple? Any > idea? Secondly, why have you missed the main points of the article > of the Deccan Herald that you have quoted yourself that it is talking > of the two real solstices and equinoxes which are an anathema > to "Vedic astrologers", for whom the so called nirayana Rashis---> especially the Lahiri ones---are the be all and end all of Jyotsiha > shastra! You are also overlooking the fact conveniently that even > the so called Makar Sankranti takes place on January 16 (and not > January 14!) according to Ramana Ayanamsha and on yet some other day > according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and still some other date as per > Tilaka Ayanamsha and so on! Do you mean to say that even > Gangadareswara temple is partial to "almighty" Lahiri? Tut, tut,tut > for poor stalwarts of other ayanamshas!> > < it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly> it is when sun enters makar rasi>> > Again, you are saying so only because you have not studied the Surya> Sidhanta yourself. If you had read it, you would never have made> such a baselesss and threfore foolish statement!> > The SS has broadcast from housetops, and I have repeated it hundreds> of times, "Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades> tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam. dvirashinathah ritavas tatoapi> shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah" -- i.e> the "six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the year> which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of Dakshinayana> start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata> Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the> same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year" -> (Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!> > There are innumerable similar other statements not only in the Surya> Sidhanta but in other sidhantas also!> > It is thus evident that the Surya Sidhanta, like all the Puranas> etc., is talkig of a seasonal year and the Rashis are a ditto copy of> Grecho-Chaldean astronomy---since Capricorn, an English/Greek synonym> of Makara Sankranti, is the shortest day of the year, known as Winter> Solstice in English and Uttarayana in Sanskrit! Similarly, as per> Grecho-Chaldean astronomy, Karkata sankrnati (known as Cancer ingress> in English) is the longest day of the year and that is also the> Summer Solstice, known as Dakshinayana in Sanskrit! As such, the > Mesha etc. Sankrantis that the SS had actually wanted the Hindus to > follow were the Western Capricorn and Cancer ingress etc. because > there are no Mesha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga > Jyotisha or in the Yajur Jyotisha etc.> > However, Maya the mlechha has actually made a mess while giving the> fundamental arguments and that is what has trapped the good for> nothing Hindu jyotishis over the last several centuries in a baseless > controversy like sayana versus nirayana!> > The real problem arises and the confusion gets worst confounded as > the calculated longitudes as per the SS algorithms do not tally at> all with any sort of actual astronomical parameters, when actually> they should have tallied exactly with the so called sayana longitudes> as per its own conditions and dictates that the six months of> Uttarayana start from Makar Sankranti and so on!> > The problem gets complicated further after the Ayanamsha corrections> of Triprashna Adhikara 9/10 sholkas as per the Surya Sidhanta itself> are made in the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti since then it falls 46> days before the SS calculated Uttarayana i.e. around November 28---> and not on January 14---least of all December 21---these days!> > Thus here also you are caught on the wrong foot because you repeat> like a parrot only what your mentors are dinning into your ears--"His > mater's voice"!> > <tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya bhagavan>> > I really pity your ignorance and am also amused at your pathetic> condition as to how you are being made a "shikhandi" by some vested> interests since you are not only putting your ignorance on public> display with such statments but also casting reflections/aspersions > on some sincere peoples' efforts to streamline the Hindu calendar!> > If you had read the Surya Sidhanta yourself, you would not have made> such a non-sensical statement that it was some Surya Muni instead of> Surya Bhagwan which Maya the mlechha claims to have learnt astronomy> from!> > Here are the 2nd to 6th sholkas from the very first adhyana of the> original SS:> (2)alpavshishte tu krite Mayo nama Mahasurah, rahasyam parmam punyam,> jijnyasur jnyanam uttamam> (3)vedangam agryam akhilam jyotisham gati karanam, aaradhayan> vivasvantam tapastepe sudushkaram> (4) toshitas tapasa tena preetas-tasmai vararthine, grahanam charitam> pradan Mayaya SAVITA SVAYAM> (5) viditaste maya bhavah tapasa aradhitats-tvaham, dadyam> kalashrayam jnyanam jyotisham charitam mahat> (6) na me tejas-saha kashchid-akhyatum nasti me kshyanah, madamshah> purushoayam me nishchayaste kathayishyeti> > This is how Burgess has translated these sholkas, quite faithfully:> > "(2) When but little of the krita yuga was left, a great demon named> Maya, being desirous to know that mysterious, supreme, pure and> exalted science.> (3) That chief auxiliary of the vedanga, in its entirety, the cause,> namely of the motion of the heavenly jyotis, performed, in> propitiation of the Sun, very severe religious austerities> > (4) Gratified by these austerities, and rendered propitious, the SUN > HIMSELF delivered unto that Maya, who besought a boon, the system of> the planets.> > (5) The blessed Sun spoke: Thine intent is known to me; I am> gratified by thine austerities; I wil give thee the science upon> which time is founded, the grand system of the planets.> > (6) No one is able to endure my brilliancy; for communication I have> no leisure; this person, who is a part of me, shall relate to thee> the whole.> > It is thus evident that Maya the asura (demon!) has claimed that the> algorithms of the most monstrous astronomical work viz. the Surya> Sidhanta were "revealed" (sic!) to him not by some Rishi named Surya> but by Surya Bhagwan himself!> > > Pl, stop making a fool of yourself and do some spade work yourself> instead of being taken for a ride by your "Bishops" and "Popes".> A K Kaul> > > HinduCalendar , "prashanthnair999" > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> >> > > > , "prashanthnair999"> > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > dear group> > > > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva > linga ??> > > > > > > > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly > it is> > when sun enters makar rasi> > > > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real > calender> > of world decided by surya bhagavan> > > > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya > bhagavan .> > > > > > > > because the aim is to spread confusion> > > > > > > > regrds prashanth nair> > > > > > , "prashanthnair999"> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > >> > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at the > Gavi> > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, but > in the> > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you visit > this> > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they > mean> > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.> > >> > >> > >> > > [http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov24200> 8/\> > \> > \> > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of paintings;> > running> > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history, > pictorially.> > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas and> > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting caught my> > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such> > beautiful> > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi Gangadhareshwara> > temple> > > at the heart of Bangalore.> > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is > Surya> > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way through> > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a > specific> > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be another > day> > in> > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me constantly. My> > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making desperate> > attempts> > > to verify it for almost for six years.> > >> > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of acquaintances> > waited> > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open > only if> > it> > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. All > three> > of> > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the idol > over a> > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to > many> > and> > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We tried in > 2007> > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of > you to> > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is > slated> > for> > > January 14.> > >> > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple > consequence of> > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south direction. > As is> > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 is > the> > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations are > all> > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of> > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day, > making> > it> > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the day is> > aptly> > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The > duration of> > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This day > is> > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and > reaches> > a> > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the sun can> > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. Thus,> > except> > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the > sun is> > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the Surya> > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.> > >> > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or > even> > the> > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-south> > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none> > > existed.> > >> > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two huge > discs> > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my trips > to the> > > temple extended to other dates in the year.> > >> > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave marks > the> > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs> > indicate> > > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, the> > shadow> > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the > eastern> > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of the > shadow> > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My calculations> > showed> > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the > shadow> > of> > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens > only on> > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.> > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha falls> > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour > before> > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple > designed for> > > the purpose of marking solstices.> > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably > either> > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because the> > second> > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any other> > > reason?> > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The two > discs> > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, 1792.> > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most> > importantly,> > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana. > (There is> > a> > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this > view.)> > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze > cover> > is> > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.> > >> > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.> > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are > missing> > now.> > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation has > been> > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed inside a> > larger> > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not part of > the> > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of > sun's> > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. They> > took> > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. The> > terms> > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous. > Therefore> > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the> > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka > Sankranthi)> > > and eventually forgotten.> > >> > > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the > surroundings.> > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear > view of> > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was perhaps a> > water> > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs serve a> > dual> > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset of > summer> > > solstice.> > >> > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated > astronomers?> > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted temple. > Was> > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell? > Historians> > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a > school> > of> > > astronomy?> > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, Bangalore.> > > Website: taralaya.org)> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.a> sp> > >> > > <http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.> as\> > \> > \> > > p>> > >> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> >> > --- End forwarded message --->

November 26, 2008

, " prashanthnair999 "

<prashanthnair999 wrote:

dear group

did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva linga ??

it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly it is

when sun enters makar rasi

so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real calender

of world decided by surya bhagavan

tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya bhagavan .

because the aim is to spread confusion

regrds prashanth nair

, " prashanthnair999 "

prashanthnair999@ wrote:

>

> The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at the Gavi

> Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, but in the

> course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you visit this

> famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they mean

> something hitherto unknown, she explains.

>

[http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov242008/\

\

> spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of paintings;

running

> through its pages was like turning the pages of history, pictorially.

> The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas and

> William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting caught my

> attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such

beautiful

> large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi Gangadhareshwara

temple

> at the heart of Bangalore.

> This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is Surya

> Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way through

> the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a specific

> date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be another day

in

> the year when this would happen again, bothered me constantly. My

> calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making desperate

attempts

> to verify it for almost for six years.

>

> Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of acquaintances

waited

> patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open only if

it

> was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. All three

of

> us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the idol over a

> five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.

>

> The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to many

and

> unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We tried in 2007

> again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of you to

> go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is slated

for

> January 14.

>

> So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple consequence of

> the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south direction. As is

> well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 is the

> vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations are all

> associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of

> summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day, making

it

> the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the day is

aptly

> termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The duration of

> the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This day is

> called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and reaches

a

> minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the sun can

> reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. Thus,

except

> June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the sun is

> repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the Surya

> majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.

>

> Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or even

the

> west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-south

> directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none

> existed.

>

> I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two huge discs

> in front of the temple have a special significance. So my trips to the

> temple extended to other dates in the year.

>

> The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave marks the

> direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs

indicate

> the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, the

shadow

> of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the eastern

> disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of the shadow

> to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My calculations

showed

> that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the shadow

of

> the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens only on

> June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.

> We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha falls

> exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour before

> sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple designed for

> the purpose of marking solstices.

> Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably either

> because of the harvest festival associated with it or because the

second

> set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any other

> reason?

> This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The two discs

> and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, 1792.

> However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most

importantly,

> there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana. (There is

a

> second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this view.)

> The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze cover

is

> dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.

>

> The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.

> Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are missing

now.

> It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation has been

> done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed inside a

larger

> Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not part of the

> hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of sun's

> rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. They

took

> care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. The

terms

> Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous. Therefore

> the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the

> Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka Sankranthi)

> and eventually forgotten.

>

> The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the surroundings.

> Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear view of

> the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was perhaps a

water

> drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs serve a

dual

> purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset of summer

> solstice.

>

> Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated astronomers?

> Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted temple. Was

> it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell? Historians

> may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a school

of

> astronomy?

> (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, Bangalore.

> Website: taralaya.org)

>

http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.asp

>

<http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.as\

\

> p>

>

--- End forwarded message ---

November 27, 2008

, " prashanthnair999 "

<prashanthnair999 wrote:

dear sreenadh ji

sure ,thanks for ur mail

This way we can calculate even the procession of equinox too ,

but the problem is only some ppl who is interested is involved in this

kind of reserch work (and state is least bothered to find the truth and

history ) and some others who r always after bashing indian astronomy

and astrology ( hired cooly writers ) take it as a an easy business as

it is more easy than doing some serious studies .even they hide the true

facts and keeping on trying to burn whole city with a match stick as

making a city may take 1000s of yrs ,but destroy it take only one strike

of a matchstick ,such ppl will even say their mother has no chasticity

so as to get easy names and fame as it will get quick attention .( as

distruction is easy than doing some construction )

They think it is an easy way to get attention or recognition frm euro

-dollar centric agencies who wants proof for all devlpmnt ( If it

happend in india ) other wise they will lie this and giv the title to

others .As if indian dont invented it but some other cultures .

so they r only intellectuals and their books will get published in thse

media s or they will get man of yr or millionium awards frm those

quarters .

As always others ignorence is their bliss ( even if it is accepted known

fact but so long as u cant proov it they r more happy -even in court u

will get benefit of doubt but here the agenda is already pre set ,so

dont expect any leniency frm them ,even hard facts with back ups they

negete by trying to find some other proofs ) it is like even if u show

the swords they will ask iron is frm where ?

regrds prashanth nair

, " Sreenadh "

sreesog@ wrote:

>

> Dear Prashanth ji,

> Originally such mechanisms in temples where designed to identify the

> starting date of Uttarayana/Dakshinayana. Thus at the period of

> creation, in such temples the sun's rays will fall on the idol only on

a

> SIGNLE day (and not on two days). This knowledge is much useful in

> identifying the era of creation of the said temples. Note this

> important point.

> But as the time passes, the equinox points and thus the date of

> starting of Uttarayana/Dakshinayana changes and there after those

> temples would be no more exactly aligned to the cardinal points or

> directions. Due to this the sun rays will start falling on the idol on

> two days. This is simple to know from the following picture.

> Original: O=======================O||

> Current: O==================||====O

> If sun start moving from the from the equinox in the first case the

Sun

> would be facing the door (or hole or what ever) at the starting date

of

> Uttarayana. But in the second case, since the orientation changed and

> the sun moves beyond the stipulated point, Sun will cross this point

on

> 2 days - in its onward journey to wards the extreme point (towards the

> starting date of Uttarayana) during Dakshinayana and in its return

> journey during Uttarayana.

> Therefore if we observe any such archeo-astronomical features

> present in any temple (Udayagiri temple, Sun temple in Konark etc are

> examples) then better we should try to decipher the period of creation

> of the temple based on this info - and not wonder why it is happening

> so; because this is a well known fact that can be made use of in

dating

> of the ancient archeological structures created with an astronomical

> perspective.

> Note: I remember some of the work done by Chandra Hari in this

> direction, connected with his studies about Udagiri temple and the

Iron

> pillar.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " prashanthnair999 "

> prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> >

> > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> >

> > dear group

> >

> > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva linga

??

> >

> > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly

it

> is

> > when sun enters makar rasi

> >

> > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real

calender

> > of world decided by surya bhagavan

> >

> > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

> > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya

bhagavan

> .

> >

> > because the aim is to spread confusion

> >

> > regrds prashanth nair

> >

> > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> > >

> > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at the

Gavi

> > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, but in

> the

> > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you visit

> this

> > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they

mean

> > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.

> > >

> >

>

[http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov242008/\

\

> \

> > \

> > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of paintings;

> > running

> > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,

> pictorially.

> > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas and

> > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting caught my

> > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such

> > beautiful

> > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi Gangadhareshwara

> > temple

> > > at the heart of Bangalore.

> > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is

Surya

> > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way through

> > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a

specific

> > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be another

> day

> > in

> > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me constantly. My

> > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making desperate

> > attempts

> > > to verify it for almost for six years.

> > >

> > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of acquaintances

> > waited

> > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open only

> if

> > it

> > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. All

> three

> > of

> > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the idol

over

> a

> > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.

> > >

> > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to

many

> > and

> > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We tried in

> 2007

> > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of you

> to

> > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is

slated

> > for

> > > January 14.

> > >

> > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple

consequence

> of

> > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south direction. As

> is

> > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 is

the

> > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations are

> all

> > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of

> > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day,

making

> > it

> > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the day is

> > aptly

> > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The duration

> of

> > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This day

is

> > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and

> reaches

> > a

> > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the sun can

> > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. Thus,

> > except

> > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the sun

> is

> > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the Surya

> > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.

> > >

> > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or

even

> > the

> > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-south

> > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none

> > > existed.

> > >

> > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two huge

> discs

> > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my trips to

> the

> > > temple extended to other dates in the year.

> > >

> > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave marks

> the

> > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs

> > indicate

> > > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, the

> > shadow

> > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the

eastern

> > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of the

> shadow

> > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My calculations

> > showed

> > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the

> shadow

> > of

> > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens only

> on

> > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.

> > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha falls

> > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour

before

> > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple designed

> for

> > > the purpose of marking solstices.

> > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably

either

> > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because the

> > second

> > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any other

> > > reason?

> > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The two

> discs

> > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, 1792.

> > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most

> > importantly,

> > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana. (There

> is

> > a

> > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this

> view.)

> > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze

cover

> > is

> > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.

> > >

> > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.

> > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are

missing

> > now.

> > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation has

> been

> > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed inside a

> > larger

> > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not part of

> the

> > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of

sun's

> > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. They

> > took

> > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. The

> > terms

> > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.

> Therefore

> > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the

> > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka

> Sankranthi)

> > > and eventually forgotten.

> > >

> > > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the

> surroundings.

> > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear view

> of

> > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was perhaps a

> > water

> > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs serve a

> > dual

> > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset of

> summer

> > > solstice.

> > >

> > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated

astronomers?

> > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted temple.

> Was

> > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell?

> Historians

> > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a

> school

> > of

> > > astronomy?

> > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, Bangalore.

> > > Website: taralaya.org)

> > >

> >

>

http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.asp

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.as\

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> \

> > \

> > > p>

> > >

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

--- End forwarded message ---

November 27, 2008

Dear Prashanth ji, Originally such mechanisms in temples where designed to identify the starting date of Uttarayana/Dakshinayana. Thus at the period of creation, in such temples the sun's rays will fall on the idol only on a SIGNLE day (and not on two days). This knowledge is much useful in identifying the era of creation of the said temples. Note this important point. But as the time passes, the equinox points and thus the date of starting of Uttarayana/Dakshinayana changes and there after those temples would be no more exactly aligned to the cardinal points or directions. Due to this the sun rays will start falling on the idol on two days. This is simple to know from the following picture. Original: O=======================O|| Current: O==================||====O If sun start moving from the from the equinox in the first case the Sun would be facing the door (or hole or what ever) at the starting date of Uttarayana. But in the second case, since the orientation changed and the sun moves beyond the stipulated point, Sun will cross this point on 2 days - in its onward journey to wards the extreme point (towards the starting date of Uttarayana) during Dakshinayana and in its return journey during Uttarayana. Therefore if we observe any such archeo-astronomical features present in any temple (Udayagiri temple, Sun temple in Konark etc are examples) then better we should try to decipher the period of creation of the temple based on this info - and not wonder why it is happening so; because this is a well known fact that can be made use of in dating of the ancient archeological structures created with an astronomical perspective. Note: I remember some of the work done by Chandra Hari in this direction, connected with his studies about Udagiri temple and the Iron pillar. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "prashanthnair999" <prashanthnair999 wrote:>> > , "prashanthnair999"> prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > > > > dear group> > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva linga ??> > > > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly it is> when sun enters makar rasi> > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real calender> of world decided by surya bhagavan> > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya bhagavan .> > > > because the aim is to spread confusion> > > > regrds prashanth nair> > > , "prashanthnair999"> prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at the Gavi> > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, but in the> > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you visit this> > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they mean> > something hitherto unknown, she explains.> >> >> >> [http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov242008/\> \> \> > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of paintings;> running> > through its pages was like turning the pages of history, pictorially.> > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas and> > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting caught my> > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such> beautiful> > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi Gangadhareshwara> temple> > at the heart of Bangalore.> > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is Surya> > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way through> > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a specific> > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be another day> in> > the year when this would happen again, bothered me constantly. My> > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making desperate> attempts> > to verify it for almost for six years.> >> > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of acquaintances> waited> > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open only if> it> > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. All three> of> > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the idol over a> > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.> >> >> >> >> >> > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to many> and> > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We tried in 2007> > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of you to> > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is slated> for> > January 14.> >> > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple consequence of> > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south direction. As is> > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 is the> > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations are all> > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of> > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day, making> it> > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the day is> aptly> > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The duration of> > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This day is> > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and reaches> a> > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the sun can> > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. Thus,> except> > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the sun is> > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the Surya> > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.> >> > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or even> the> > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-south> > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none> > existed.> >> > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two huge discs> > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my trips to the> > temple extended to other dates in the year.> >> > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave marks the> > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs> indicate> > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, the> shadow> > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the eastern> > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of the shadow> > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My calculations> showed> > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the shadow> of> > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens only on> > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.> > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha falls> > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour before> > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple designed for> > the purpose of marking solstices.> > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably either> > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because the> second> > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any other> > reason?> > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The two discs> > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, 1792.> > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most> importantly,> > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana. (There is> a> > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this view.)> > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze cover> is> > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.> >> > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.> > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are missing> now.> > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation has been> > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed inside a> larger> > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not part of the> > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of sun's> > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. They> took> > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. The> terms> > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous. Therefore> > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the> > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka Sankranthi)> > and eventually forgotten.> >> > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the surroundings.> > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear view of> > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was perhaps a> water> > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs serve a> dual> > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset of summer> > solstice.> >> > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated astronomers?> > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted temple. Was> > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell? Historians> > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a school> of> > astronomy?> > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, Bangalore.> > Website: taralaya.org)> >> >> >> >> http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.asp> >> <http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.as\> \> \> > p>> >> > --- End forwarded message --->

November 27, 2008

dear sreenadh ji

sure ,thanks for ur mail

This way we can calculate even the procession of equinox too ,

but the problem is only some ppl who is interested is involved in this kind of reserch work (and state is least bothered to find the truth and history ) and some others who r always after bashing indian astronomy and astrology ( hired cooly writers ) take it as a an easy business as it is more easy than doing some serious studies .even they hide the true facts and keeping on trying to burn whole city with a match stick as making a city may take 1000s of yrs ,but destroy it take only one strike of a matchstick ,such ppl will even say their mother has no chasticity so as to get easy names and fame as it will get quick attention .( as distruction is easy than doing some construction )

They think it is an easy way to get attention or recognition frm euro -dollar centric agencies who wants proof for all devlpmnt ( If it happend in india ) other wise they will lie this and giv the title to others .As if indian dont invented it but some other cultures .

so they r only intellectuals and their books will get published in thse media s or they will get man of yr or millionium awards frm those quarters .

As always others ignorence is their bliss ( even if it is accepted known fact but so long as u cant proov it they r more happy -even in court u will get benefit of doubt but here the agenda is already pre set ,so dont expect any leniency frm them ,even hard facts with back ups they negete by trying to find some other proofs ) it is like even if u show the swords they will ask iron is frm where ?

regrds prashanth nair

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Prashanth ji,> Originally such mechanisms in temples where designed to identify the> starting date of Uttarayana/Dakshinayana. Thus at the period of> creation, in such temples the sun's rays will fall on the idol only on a> SIGNLE day (and not on two days). This knowledge is much useful in> identifying the era of creation of the said temples. Note this> important point.> But as the time passes, the equinox points and thus the date of> starting of Uttarayana/Dakshinayana changes and there after those> temples would be no more exactly aligned to the cardinal points or> directions. Due to this the sun rays will start falling on the idol on> two days. This is simple to know from the following picture.> Original: O=======================O||> Current: O==================||====O> If sun start moving from the from the equinox in the first case the Sun> would be facing the door (or hole or what ever) at the starting date of> Uttarayana. But in the second case, since the orientation changed and> the sun moves beyond the stipulated point, Sun will cross this point on> 2 days - in its onward journey to wards the extreme point (towards the> starting date of Uttarayana) during Dakshinayana and in its return> journey during Uttarayana.> Therefore if we observe any such archeo-astronomical features> present in any temple (Udayagiri temple, Sun temple in Konark etc are> examples) then better we should try to decipher the period of creation> of the temple based on this info - and not wonder why it is happening> so; because this is a well known fact that can be made use of in dating> of the ancient archeological structures created with an astronomical> perspective.> Note: I remember some of the work done by Chandra Hari in this> direction, connected with his studies about Udagiri temple and the Iron> pillar.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "prashanthnair999"> prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> >> > , "prashanthnair999"> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > dear group> >> > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva linga ??> >> >> >> > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means geocenticaly it> is> > when sun enters makar rasi> >> > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real calender> > of world decided by surya bhagavan> >> > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya bhagavan> .> >> >> >> > because the aim is to spread confusion> >> >> >> > regrds prashanth nair> >> >> > , "prashanthnair999"> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > >> > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at the Gavi> > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, but in> the> > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you visit> this> > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they mean> > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.> > >> > >> > >> >> [http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov242008/\> \> > \> > \> > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of paintings;> > running> > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,> pictorially.> > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas and> > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting caught my> > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such> > beautiful> > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi Gangadhareshwara> > temple> > > at the heart of Bangalore.> > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is Surya> > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way through> > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a specific> > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be another> day> > in> > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me constantly. My> > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making desperate> > attempts> > > to verify it for almost for six years.> > >> > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of acquaintances> > waited> > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open only> if> > it> > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. All> three> > of> > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the idol over> a> > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to many> > and> > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We tried in> 2007> > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of you> to> > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is slated> > for> > > January 14.> > >> > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple consequence> of> > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south direction. As> is> > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 is the> > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations are> all> > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of> > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day, making> > it> > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the day is> > aptly> > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The duration> of> > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This day is> > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and> reaches> > a> > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the sun can> > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. Thus,> > except> > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the sun> is> > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the Surya> > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.> > >> > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or even> > the> > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-south> > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none> > > existed.> > >> > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two huge> discs> > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my trips to> the> > > temple extended to other dates in the year.> > >> > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave marks> the> > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs> > indicate> > > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, the> > shadow> > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the eastern> > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of the> shadow> > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My calculations> > showed> > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the> shadow> > of> > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens only> on> > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.> > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha falls> > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour before> > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple designed> for> > > the purpose of marking solstices.> > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably either> > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because the> > second> > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any other> > > reason?> > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The two> discs> > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, 1792.> > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most> > importantly,> > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana. (There> is> > a> > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this> view.)> > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze cover> > is> > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.> > >> > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.> > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are missing> > now.> > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation has> been> > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed inside a> > larger> > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not part of> the> > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of sun's> > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. They> > took> > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. The> > terms> > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.> Therefore> > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the> > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka> Sankranthi)> > > and eventually forgotten.> > >> > > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the> surroundings.> > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear view> of> > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was perhaps a> > water> > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs serve a> > dual> > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset of> summer> > > solstice.> > >> > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated astronomers?> > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted temple.> Was> > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell?> Historians> > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a> school> > of> > > astronomy?> > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, Bangalore.> > > Website: taralaya.org)> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.asp> > >> >> <http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.as\> \> > \> > \> > > p>> > >> >> > --- End forwarded message ---> >>

December 1, 2008

Shri Prashanth Nairji,

Namaskar!

Your posts are really amusing and very often even funny, your

vituperative regurgitation not withstandig! But cerainly they do

provide me a chance to clarify the points raised by you to the whole

world, since extremly few people, if any, want to realize the truth!

Maybe you want to do so the other way round, i.e. by scintilating

falsehoods from the real gems.

There is a saying in Sanskrit " sthanu khanana nyay " i.e. when a

building has to be rasied on some pillars, those pillars are

installed and then shaken again and again in the ground where they

have been installed, to test their strength as to what type of a

supersturcture they can carry! It is a similar case with me! By

replying your abusive posts I am actually clarifying my own stand to

myself!

You have said, " here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is

given by surya to mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so

it is not maya the mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .another

lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that it is

wrong in principles "

Obviously, just to prove your own misconceptions, you are trying to

attribute such statements to me which I have never made! You have

said " if u blv it is given by surya to mayasura " ! Can you show me

even a single post where I have said that what Maya the mlechha had

said about the Surya Sidhanta was Truth and nothing but truth

according to me?

On the other hand, I have repeated it hundreds of times that almost

simultaneously with the the invasion of Alexander of Macedonea,

Greeks had taken Hindus for a ride by making them astro-buffs and the

Surya Sidhanta is a creation of some Greek astrologer! It appears he

had gained a lot of knowledge about Hindu cutlural ethos and

exploited the same! Maya the creator of the Surya Sidhanta is thus

neither Mayasura, the father-in-law of the Rakshasa Ravana, nor the

one who has been talked about in the Mbh! It is just a fictitious

name used by some Greek astrologer and in order to get his

monstrously incorrect astronnical work recognized by God-fearing

Hindus, he put the ball squarely in the lap of Surya Bhagwan by

making Him the real " author " of the Surya Sidhanta! The fictious

Maya even named it as Surya Sidhanta instead of Maya Sidhanta, lest

his game-plan backfired!

And he has succeeded marvellously in his attempt of making a fool of

Hindus, even beyond his own imagination! Over the last two thousand

years, we have literally been worshipping the " Surya Sidhanta " under

the impression that it is a work by Surya Bhagwan---when it is

actually a concoction of the worst order attributed by some Greek

astrologer, who named himself " Maya " , to Surya Bhagwan!

IT IS JUST LIKE BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASTRA---HALF A DOZEN VERSIONS

AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TODAY---WHICH ARE ALL CONCOCTIONS SINCE NONE

OF THEM IS BY THE REAL MAHARSHI PARASHARA, THE FATHER OF KRISHNA

DVAIPAYANA VEDAVYASA!

And since the Surya Sidhanta is neither by Mayasura nor by Surya

Bhagwan but by some Greek astrologer, that is why I am repeating

again and again that Maya the author of Surya Sidhanta was a mlechha,

since Vrahamihira has talked about Yavanas -- Greeks--- as mlechhas!

Even if Varahamihira has quoted Garga in this connection, you can

rest assured that it is not Garga Rishi of the Mahabharata, but a

Garga of second century BCE, who is said to have called Yavanas as

mlechhas! And by Yavnas, none but Greeks are meant in this context!

The most ironical part is that after you were unable to establish the

falsehood that the author of the Surya Sidhanta was some " sage

Surya " , you immediately shifted gears to corner me that if the Surya

Sidhanta was a work of Surya Bhagwan, how could it be incorrect!

Well, why don't you put the same question to yourslf? If the Surya

Sidhanta had really been a creation of Surya Bhagwan, how could its

fundamental arguments be useless, meaningless and a fraud on the real

Vedas, since IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY NOW BEYOND ALL THE REASONABLE

DOUBTS THAT THE SURYA SIDHANTA IS A BLOT ON THE REAL ASTRONOMY, AND

MUST BE DISCARDED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.

Dhanyavad.

A K Kaul

, " prashanthnair999 "

<prashanthnair999 wrote:

>

> dear respected pandit kaul ji

>

> namskaram

>

> here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is given by surya

to

> mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so it is not maya the

> mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .

>

> another lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that

it is

> wrong in principles

>

> did u read yavana jatakam and see what is says ??

>

> do u r spade work

>

> did u got time to see messge numbr 870 and answer it ???

>

> did u read prashna maarga ??

>

> regrds Prashanth Nair

>

> NB

>

> this is jhora planetary positions on jan 14th 2008 for delhi over ur

> house and head in rohini ,delhi

>

> January 14, 2009

> Time: 20:15:45

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> Delhi, India

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 3 Le 32' 20.31 " Magh 2 Le Ta

> Sun - DK 0 Cp 35' 32.53 " USha 2 Cp Cp

> Moon - BK 17 Le 56' 32.28 " PPha 2 Le Vi

> Mars - AmK 19 Sg 51' 19.13 " PSha 2 Sg Vi

> Mercury ® - PK 12 Cp 56' 13.38 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> Jupiter - GK 8 Cp 07' 07.27 " USha 4 Cp Pi

> Venus - MK 17 Aq 42' 41.23 " Sata 4 Aq Pi

> Saturn ® - AK 27 Le 36' 14.77 " UPha 1 Le Sg

> Rahu 16 Cp 15' 18.46 " Srav 2 Cp Ta

> Ketu 16 Cn 15' 18.46 " Push 4 Cn Sc

>

> see the diffrnce between the valentine day calender and surya

sidhanta

> .Stop fooling others

>

> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > jyotirved@ wrote:

> >

> > Shri Prashanth Nairji,

> > Namaskar!

> > < did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva

> > linga ??>

> > Since how long has it been going on like that in that temple? Any

> > idea? Secondly, why have you missed the main points of the article

> > of the Deccan Herald that you have quoted yourself that it is

talking

> > of the two real solstices and equinoxes which are an anathema

> > to " Vedic astrologers " , for whom the so called nirayana Rashis---

> > especially the Lahiri ones---are the be all and end all of

Jyotsiha

> > shastra! You are also overlooking the fact conveniently that even

> > the so called Makar Sankranti takes place on January 16 (and not

> > January 14!) according to Ramana Ayanamsha and on yet some other

day

> > according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and still some other date as

per

> > Tilaka Ayanamsha and so on! Do you mean to say that even

> > Gangadareswara temple is partial to " almighty " Lahiri? Tut,

tut,tut

> > for poor stalwarts of other ayanamshas!

> >

> > < it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means

geocenticaly

> > it is when sun enters makar rasi>

> >

> > Again, you are saying so only because you have not studied the

Surya

> > Sidhanta yourself. If you had read it, you would never have made

> > such a baselesss and threfore foolish statement!

> >

> > The SS has broadcast from housetops, and I have repeated it

hundreds

> > of times, " Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades

> > tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam. dvirashinathah ritavas

tatoapi

> > shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah " --

i.e

> > the " six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the

year

> > which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of

Dakshinayana

> > start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata

> > Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the

> > same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year " -

> > (Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!

> >

> > There are innumerable similar other statements not only in the

Surya

> > Sidhanta but in other sidhantas also!

> >

> > It is thus evident that the Surya Sidhanta, like all the Puranas

> > etc., is talkig of a seasonal year and the Rashis are a ditto

copy of

> > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy---since Capricorn, an English/Greek

synonym

> > of Makara Sankranti, is the shortest day of the year, known as

Winter

> > Solstice in English and Uttarayana in Sanskrit! Similarly, as per

> > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy, Karkata sankrnati (known as Cancer

ingress

> > in English) is the longest day of the year and that is also the

> > Summer Solstice, known as Dakshinayana in Sanskrit! As such, the

> > Mesha etc. Sankrantis that the SS had actually wanted the Hindus

to

> > follow were the Western Capricorn and Cancer ingress etc. because

> > there are no Mesha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga

> > Jyotisha or in the Yajur Jyotisha etc.

> >

> > However, Maya the mlechha has actually made a mess while giving

the

> > fundamental arguments and that is what has trapped the good for

> > nothing Hindu jyotishis over the last several centuries in a

baseless

> > controversy like sayana versus nirayana!

> >

> > The real problem arises and the confusion gets worst confounded as

> > the calculated longitudes as per the SS algorithms do not tally at

> > all with any sort of actual astronomical parameters, when actually

> > they should have tallied exactly with the so called sayana

longitudes

> > as per its own conditions and dictates that the six months of

> > Uttarayana start from Makar Sankranti and so on!

> >

> > The problem gets complicated further after the Ayanamsha

corrections

> > of Triprashna Adhikara 9/10 sholkas as per the Surya Sidhanta

itself

> > are made in the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti since then it

falls 46

> > days before the SS calculated Uttarayana i.e. around November 28--

-

> > and not on January 14---least of all December 21---these days!

> >

> > Thus here also you are caught on the wrong foot because you repeat

> > like a parrot only what your mentors are dinning into your ears--

" His

> > mater's voice " !

> >

> > <tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

> > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya

bhagavan>

> >

> > I really pity your ignorance and am also amused at your pathetic

> > condition as to how you are being made a " shikhandi " by some

vested

> > interests since you are not only putting your ignorance on public

> > display with such statments but also casting

reflections/aspersions

> > on some sincere peoples' efforts to streamline the Hindu calendar!

> >

> > If you had read the Surya Sidhanta yourself, you would not have

made

> > such a non-sensical statement that it was some Surya Muni instead

of

> > Surya Bhagwan which Maya the mlechha claims to have learnt

astronomy

> > from!

> >

> > Here are the 2nd to 6th sholkas from the very first adhyana of the

> > original SS:

> > (2)alpavshishte tu krite Mayo nama Mahasurah, rahasyam parmam

punyam,

> > jijnyasur jnyanam uttamam

> > (3)vedangam agryam akhilam jyotisham gati karanam, aaradhayan

> > vivasvantam tapastepe sudushkaram

> > (4) toshitas tapasa tena preetas-tasmai vararthine, grahanam

charitam

> > pradan Mayaya SAVITA SVAYAM

> > (5) viditaste maya bhavah tapasa aradhitats-tvaham, dadyam

> > kalashrayam jnyanam jyotisham charitam mahat

> > (6) na me tejas-saha kashchid-akhyatum nasti me kshyanah,

madamshah

> > purushoayam me nishchayaste kathayishyeti

> >

> > This is how Burgess has translated these sholkas, quite

faithfully:

> >

> > " (2) When but little of the krita yuga was left, a great demon

named

> > Maya, being desirous to know that mysterious, supreme, pure and

> > exalted science.

> > (3) That chief auxiliary of the vedanga, in its entirety, the

cause,

> > namely of the motion of the heavenly jyotis, performed, in

> > propitiation of the Sun, very severe religious austerities

> >

> > (4) Gratified by these austerities, and rendered propitious, the

SUN

> > HIMSELF delivered unto that Maya, who besought a boon, the system

of

> > the planets.

> >

> > (5) The blessed Sun spoke: Thine intent is known to me; I am

> > gratified by thine austerities; I wil give thee the science upon

> > which time is founded, the grand system of the planets.

> >

> > (6) No one is able to endure my brilliancy; for communication I

have

> > no leisure; this person, who is a part of me, shall relate to thee

> > the whole.

> >

> > It is thus evident that Maya the asura (demon!) has claimed that

the

> > algorithms of the most monstrous astronomical work viz. the Surya

> > Sidhanta were " revealed " (sic!) to him not by some Rishi named

Surya

> > but by Surya Bhagwan himself!

> >

> > Pl, stop making a fool of yourself and do some spade work yourself

> > instead of being taken for a ride by your " Bishops " and " Popes " .

> > A K Kaul

> >

> > HinduCalendar , " prashanthnair999 "

> > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear group

> > >

> > > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva

> > linga ??

> > >

> > > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means

geocenticaly

> > it is

> > > when sun enters makar rasi

> > >

> > > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real

> > calender

> > > of world decided by surya bhagavan

> > >

> > > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

> > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya

> > bhagavan .

> > >

> > > because the aim is to spread confusion

> > >

> > > regrds prashanth nair

> > >

> > > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > > prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at

the

> > Gavi

> > > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14,

but

> > in the

> > > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you

visit

> > this

> > > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they

> > mean

> > > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.

> > > >

> > >

> >

[http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov24200

> > 8/\

> > > \

> > > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of

paintings;

> > > running

> > > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,

> > pictorially.

> > > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas

and

> > > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting

caught my

> > > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such

> > > beautiful

> > > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi

Gangadhareshwara

> > > temple

> > > > at the heart of Bangalore.

> > > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is

> > Surya

> > > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way

through

> > > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a

> > specific

> > > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be

another

> > day

> > > in

> > > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me

constantly. My

> > > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making

desperate

> > > attempts

> > > > to verify it for almost for six years.

> > > >

> > > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of

acquaintances

> > > waited

> > > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open

> > only if

> > > it

> > > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window.

All

> > three

> > > of

> > > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the

idol

> > over a

> > > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.

> > > >

> > > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to

> > many

> > > and

> > > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We

tried in

> > 2007

> > > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of

> > you to

> > > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is

> > slated

> > > for

> > > > January 14.

> > > >

> > > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple

> > consequence of

> > > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south

direction.

> > As is

> > > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21

is

> > the

> > > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations

are

> > all

> > > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of

> > > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day,

> > making

> > > it

> > > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the

day is

> > > aptly

> > > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The

> > duration of

> > > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This

day

> > is

> > > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and

> > reaches

> > > a

> > > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the

sun can

> > > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana.

Thus,

> > > except

> > > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the

> > sun is

> > > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the

Surya

> > > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.

> > > >

> > > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or

> > even

> > > the

> > > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-

south

> > > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none

> > > > existed.

> > > >

> > > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two

huge

> > discs

> > > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my

trips

> > to the

> > > > temple extended to other dates in the year.

> > > >

> > > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave

marks

> > the

> > > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs

> > > indicate

> > > > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16,

the

> > > shadow

> > > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the

> > eastern

> > > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of

the

> > shadow

> > > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My

calculations

> > > showed

> > > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the

> > shadow

> > > of

> > > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens

> > only on

> > > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.

> > > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha

falls

> > > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour

> > before

> > > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple

> > designed for

> > > > the purpose of marking solstices.

> > > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably

> > either

> > > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because

the

> > > second

> > > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any

other

> > > > reason?

> > > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The

two

> > discs

> > > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May,

1792.

> > > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most

> > > importantly,

> > > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana.

> > (There is

> > > a

> > > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this

> > view.)

> > > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze

> > cover

> > > is

> > > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.

> > > >

> > > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.

> > > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are

> > missing

> > > now.

> > > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation

has

> > been

> > > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed

inside a

> > > larger

> > > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not

part of

> > the

> > > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of

> > sun's

> > > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators.

They

> > > took

> > > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue.

The

> > > terms

> > > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.

> > Therefore

> > > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the

> > > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka

> > Sankranthi)

> > > > and eventually forgotten.

> > > >

> > > > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the

> > surroundings.

> > > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear

> > view of

> > > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was

perhaps a

> > > water

> > > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs

serve a

> > > dual

> > > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset

of

> > summer

> > > > solstice.

> > > >

> > > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated

> > astronomers?

> > > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted

temple.

> > Was

> > > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell?

> > Historians

> > > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a

> > school

> > > of

> > > > astronomy?

> > > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium,

Bangalore.

> > > > Website: taralaya.org)

> > > >

> > >

> >

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> > sp

> > > >

> > >

> >

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> > as\

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> > > > p>

> > > >

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

December 2, 2008

dear respected Kaul ji

yes ,can we discuss why this regurgitation s happening only to few ppl like u who has some hidden agenda with some undigested theories they thinks the pillars of hindusim can b shaken

why u r eager to place everything according to christian dollar -euro centric views and their idea of geneology .

according to u everything happen according to their timing scale and chronology .so u place any one with that time line eager to satisfy ur boses ,and u r saying alexanders attack which u dont know even historical facts even on one village has shook all indian scenario and it changed all thinking process and then still greeks cant maintain any supremacy over indians sound funny or crooked right ??( chistian chronology --it says adam born some 6000 yrs b4 then flood also happened in between so world has some 3000 yrs for total devlpment and greeks suposed to come for begging in india at BC 200 and not even any reference in budhist texts ,( china says budha is born in BC 1900 and and srilankan scholars and other s statess it is around 550 BC ,and all the proof in every where ,where as no proof of christ even born or no historical reference tallies too .) where as so many gr8 kings ruled tru out budhist period and they hav good reference everywhere tho this christian tuned hostorians and ppl like u spreading some misunderstanding as they were riding donkeys those days .

how can it b all budhist classics and texts dont care or mention abt Greeks ,oh they r also son in law of mayasura may b .

what is ur knowledge abt all those pancha sidhanthas ,u who blv rishies said earth was flat like x-mas cake .

ok,i am with u as i am also converted into ur way ,so no problem and dont worry

regrds prashanth nair

, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Shri Prashanth Nairji,> Namaskar!> Your posts are really amusing and very often even funny, your > vituperative regurgitation not withstandig! But cerainly they do > provide me a chance to clarify the points raised by you to the whole > world, since extremly few people, if any, want to realize the truth! > Maybe you want to do so the other way round, i.e. by scintilating > falsehoods from the real gems.> > There is a saying in Sanskrit "sthanu khanana nyay" i.e. when a > building has to be rasied on some pillars, those pillars are > installed and then shaken again and again in the ground where they > have been installed, to test their strength as to what type of a > supersturcture they can carry! It is a similar case with me! By > replying your abusive posts I am actually clarifying my own stand to > myself!> > You have said, "here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is > given by surya to mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so > it is not maya the mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .another > lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that it is> wrong in principles"> > Obviously, just to prove your own misconceptions, you are trying to > attribute such statements to me which I have never made! You have > said "if u blv it is given by surya to mayasura"! Can you show me > even a single post where I have said that what Maya the mlechha had > said about the Surya Sidhanta was Truth and nothing but truth > according to me? > On the other hand, I have repeated it hundreds of times that almost > simultaneously with the the invasion of Alexander of Macedonea, > Greeks had taken Hindus for a ride by making them astro-buffs and the > Surya Sidhanta is a creation of some Greek astrologer! It appears he > had gained a lot of knowledge about Hindu cutlural ethos and > exploited the same! Maya the creator of the Surya Sidhanta is thus > neither Mayasura, the father-in-law of the Rakshasa Ravana, nor the > one who has been talked about in the Mbh! It is just a fictitious > name used by some Greek astrologer and in order to get his > monstrously incorrect astronnical work recognized by God-fearing > Hindus, he put the ball squarely in the lap of Surya Bhagwan by > making Him the real "author" of the Surya Sidhanta! The fictious > Maya even named it as Surya Sidhanta instead of Maya Sidhanta, lest > his game-plan backfired!> And he has succeeded marvellously in his attempt of making a fool of > Hindus, even beyond his own imagination! Over the last two thousand > years, we have literally been worshipping the "Surya Sidhanta" under > the impression that it is a work by Surya Bhagwan---when it is > actually a concoction of the worst order attributed by some Greek > astrologer, who named himself "Maya", to Surya Bhagwan! > > IT IS JUST LIKE BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASTRA---HALF A DOZEN VERSIONS > AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TODAY---WHICH ARE ALL CONCOCTIONS SINCE NONE > OF THEM IS BY THE REAL MAHARSHI PARASHARA, THE FATHER OF KRISHNA > DVAIPAYANA VEDAVYASA!> > > And since the Surya Sidhanta is neither by Mayasura nor by Surya > Bhagwan but by some Greek astrologer, that is why I am repeating > again and again that Maya the author of Surya Sidhanta was a mlechha, > since Vrahamihira has talked about Yavanas -- Greeks--- as mlechhas! > Even if Varahamihira has quoted Garga in this connection, you can > rest assured that it is not Garga Rishi of the Mahabharata, but a > Garga of second century BCE, who is said to have called Yavanas as > mlechhas! And by Yavnas, none but Greeks are meant in this context!> > The most ironical part is that after you were unable to establish the > falsehood that the author of the Surya Sidhanta was some "sage > Surya", you immediately shifted gears to corner me that if the Surya > Sidhanta was a work of Surya Bhagwan, how could it be incorrect! > Well, why don't you put the same question to yourslf? If the Surya > Sidhanta had really been a creation of Surya Bhagwan, how could its > fundamental arguments be useless, meaningless and a fraud on the real > Vedas, since IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY NOW BEYOND ALL THE REASONABLE > DOUBTS THAT THE SURYA SIDHANTA IS A BLOT ON THE REAL ASTRONOMY, AND > MUST BE DISCARDED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.> Dhanyavad.> A K Kaul> > > , "prashanthnair999" > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear respected pandit kaul ji> > > > namskaram> > > > > > > > here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is given by surya > to > > mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so it is not maya the> > mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .> > > > > > > > another lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that > it is> > wrong in principles> > > > > > > > did u read yavana jatakam and see what is says ??> > > > do u r spade work> > > > > > > > did u got time to see messge numbr 870 and answer it ???> > > > did u read prashna maarga ??> > > > > > > > regrds Prashanth Nair> > > > NB> > > > this is jhora planetary positions on jan 14th 2008 for delhi over ur> > house and head in rohini ,delhi> > > > January 14, 2009> > Time: 20:15:45> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > Delhi, India> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 3 Le 32' 20.31" Magh 2 Le Ta> > Sun - DK 0 Cp 35' 32.53" USha 2 Cp Cp> > Moon - BK 17 Le 56' 32.28" PPha 2 Le Vi> > Mars - AmK 19 Sg 51' 19.13" PSha 2 Sg Vi> > Mercury ® - PK 12 Cp 56' 13.38" Srav 1 Cp Ar> > Jupiter - GK 8 Cp 07' 07.27" USha 4 Cp Pi> > Venus - MK 17 Aq 42' 41.23" Sata 4 Aq Pi> > Saturn ® - AK 27 Le 36' 14.77" UPha 1 Le Sg> > Rahu 16 Cp 15' 18.46" Srav 2 Cp Ta> > Ketu 16 Cn 15' 18.46" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > > > > > see the diffrnce between the valentine day calender and surya > sidhanta> > .Stop fooling others> > > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > >> > > Shri Prashanth Nairji,> > > Namaskar!> > > < did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva> > > linga ??>> > > Since how long has it been going on like that in that temple? Any> > > idea? Secondly, why have you missed the main points of the article> > > of the Deccan Herald that you have quoted yourself that it is > talking> > > of the two real solstices and equinoxes which are an anathema> > > to "Vedic astrologers", for whom the so called nirayana Rashis---> > > especially the Lahiri ones---are the be all and end all of > Jyotsiha> > > shastra! You are also overlooking the fact conveniently that even> > > the so called Makar Sankranti takes place on January 16 (and not> > > January 14!) according to Ramana Ayanamsha and on yet some other > day> > > according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and still some other date as > per> > > Tilaka Ayanamsha and so on! Do you mean to say that even> > > Gangadareswara temple is partial to "almighty" Lahiri? Tut, > tut,tut> > > for poor stalwarts of other ayanamshas!> > >> > > < it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means > geocenticaly> > > it is when sun enters makar rasi>> > >> > > Again, you are saying so only because you have not studied the > Surya> > > Sidhanta yourself. If you had read it, you would never have made> > > such a baselesss and threfore foolish statement!> > >> > > The SS has broadcast from housetops, and I have repeated it > hundreds> > > of times, "Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades> > > tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam. dvirashinathah ritavas > tatoapi> > > shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah" -- > i.e> > > the "six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the > year> > > which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of > Dakshinayana> > > start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata> > > Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the> > > same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year" -> > > (Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!> > >> > > There are innumerable similar other statements not only in the > Surya> > > Sidhanta but in other sidhantas also!> > >> > > It is thus evident that the Surya Sidhanta, like all the Puranas> > > etc., is talkig of a seasonal year and the Rashis are a ditto > copy of> > > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy---since Capricorn, an English/Greek > synonym> > > of Makara Sankranti, is the shortest day of the year, known as > Winter> > > Solstice in English and Uttarayana in Sanskrit! Similarly, as per> > > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy, Karkata sankrnati (known as Cancer > ingress> > > in English) is the longest day of the year and that is also the> > > Summer Solstice, known as Dakshinayana in Sanskrit! As such, the> > > Mesha etc. Sankrantis that the SS had actually wanted the Hindus > to> > > follow were the Western Capricorn and Cancer ingress etc. because> > > there are no Mesha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga> > > Jyotisha or in the Yajur Jyotisha etc.> > >> > > However, Maya the mlechha has actually made a mess while giving > the> > > fundamental arguments and that is what has trapped the good for> > > nothing Hindu jyotishis over the last several centuries in a > baseless> > > controversy like sayana versus nirayana!> > >> > > The real problem arises and the confusion gets worst confounded as> > > the calculated longitudes as per the SS algorithms do not tally at> > > all with any sort of actual astronomical parameters, when actually> > > they should have tallied exactly with the so called sayana > longitudes> > > as per its own conditions and dictates that the six months of> > > Uttarayana start from Makar Sankranti and so on!> > >> > > The problem gets complicated further after the Ayanamsha > corrections> > > of Triprashna Adhikara 9/10 sholkas as per the Surya Sidhanta > itself> > > are made in the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti since then it > falls 46> > > days before the SS calculated Uttarayana i.e. around November 28--> -> > > and not on January 14---least of all December 21---these days!> > >> > > Thus here also you are caught on the wrong foot because you repeat> > > like a parrot only what your mentors are dinning into your ears--> "His> > > mater's voice"!> > >> > > <tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya > bhagavan>> > >> > > I really pity your ignorance and am also amused at your pathetic> > > condition as to how you are being made a "shikhandi" by some > vested> > > interests since you are not only putting your ignorance on public> > > display with such statments but also casting > reflections/aspersions> > > on some sincere peoples' efforts to streamline the Hindu calendar!> > >> > > If you had read the Surya Sidhanta yourself, you would not have > made> > > such a non-sensical statement that it was some Surya Muni instead > of> > > Surya Bhagwan which Maya the mlechha claims to have learnt > astronomy> > > from!> > >> > > Here are the 2nd to 6th sholkas from the very first adhyana of the> > > original SS:> > > (2)alpavshishte tu krite Mayo nama Mahasurah, rahasyam parmam > punyam,> > > jijnyasur jnyanam uttamam> > > (3)vedangam agryam akhilam jyotisham gati karanam, aaradhayan> > > vivasvantam tapastepe sudushkaram> > > (4) toshitas tapasa tena preetas-tasmai vararthine, grahanam > charitam> > > pradan Mayaya SAVITA SVAYAM> > > (5) viditaste maya bhavah tapasa aradhitats-tvaham, dadyam> > > kalashrayam jnyanam jyotisham charitam mahat> > > (6) na me tejas-saha kashchid-akhyatum nasti me kshyanah, > madamshah> > > purushoayam me nishchayaste kathayishyeti> > >> > > This is how Burgess has translated these sholkas, quite > faithfully:> > >> > > "(2) When but little of the krita yuga was left, a great demon > named> > > Maya, being desirous to know that mysterious, supreme, pure and> > > exalted science.> > > (3) That chief auxiliary of the vedanga, in its entirety, the > cause,> > > namely of the motion of the heavenly jyotis, performed, in> > > propitiation of the Sun, very severe religious austerities> > >> > > (4) Gratified by these austerities, and rendered propitious, the > SUN> > > HIMSELF delivered unto that Maya, who besought a boon, the system > of> > > the planets.> > >> > > (5) The blessed Sun spoke: Thine intent is known to me; I am> > > gratified by thine austerities; I wil give thee the science upon> > > which time is founded, the grand system of the planets.> > >> > > (6) No one is able to endure my brilliancy; for communication I > have> > > no leisure; this person, who is a part of me, shall relate to thee> > > the whole.> > >> > > It is thus evident that Maya the asura (demon!) has claimed that > the> > > algorithms of the most monstrous astronomical work viz. the Surya> > > Sidhanta were "revealed" (sic!) to him not by some Rishi named > Surya> > > but by Surya Bhagwan himself!> > >> > >> > > Pl, stop making a fool of yourself and do some spade work yourself> > > instead of being taken for a ride by your "Bishops" and "Popes".> > > A K Kaul> > >> > >> > > HinduCalendar , "prashanthnair999"> > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > , "prashanthnair999"> > > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear group> > > >> > > > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva> > > linga ??> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means > geocenticaly> > > it is> > > > when sun enters makar rasi> > > >> > > > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real> > > calender> > > > of world decided by surya bhagavan> > > >> > > > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> > > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya> > > bhagavan .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > because the aim is to spread confusion> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds prashanth nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , "prashanthnair999"> > > > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at > the> > > Gavi> > > > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, > but> > > in the> > > > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you > visit> > > this> > > > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they> > > mean> > > > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > [http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov24200> > > 8/\> > > > \> > > > \> > > > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of > paintings;> > > > running> > > > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,> > > pictorially.> > > > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas > and> > > > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting > caught my> > > > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such> > > > beautiful> > > > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi > Gangadhareshwara> > > > temple> > > > > at the heart of Bangalore.> > > > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is> > > Surya> > > > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way > through> > > > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a> > > specific> > > > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be > another> > > day> > > > in> > > > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me > constantly. My> > > > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making > desperate> > > > attempts> > > > > to verify it for almost for six years.> > > > >> > > > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of > acquaintances> > > > waited> > > > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open> > > only if> > > > it> > > > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window. > All> > > three> > > > of> > > > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the > idol> > > over a> > > > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to> > > many> > > > and> > > > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We > tried in> > > 2007> > > > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of> > > you to> > > > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is> > > slated> > > > for> > > > > January 14.> > > > >> > > > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple> > > consequence of> > > > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south > direction.> > > As is> > > > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 > is> > > the> > > > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations > are> > > all> > > > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of> > > > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day,> > > making> > > > it> > > > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the > day is> > > > aptly> > > > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The> > > duration of> > > > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This > day> > > is> > > > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and> > > reaches> > > > a> > > > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the > sun can> > > > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. > Thus,> > > > except> > > > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the> > > sun is> > > > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the > Surya> > > > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.> > > > >> > > > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or> > > even> > > > the> > > > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-> south> > > > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans – none> > > > > existed.> > > > >> > > > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two > huge> > > discs> > > > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my > trips> > > to the> > > > > temple extended to other dates in the year.> > > > >> > > > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave > marks> > > the> > > > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs> > > > indicate> > > > > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16, > the> > > > shadow> > > > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the> > > eastern> > > > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of > the> > > shadow> > > > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My > calculations> > > > showed> > > > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the> > > shadow> > > > of> > > > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens> > > only on> > > > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.> > > > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha > falls> > > > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour> > > before> > > > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple> > > designed for> > > > > the purpose of marking solstices.> > > > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably> > > either> > > > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because > the> > > > second> > > > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any > other> > > > > reason?> > > > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The > two> > > discs> > > > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, > 1792.> > > > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most> > > > importantly,> > > > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana.> > > (There is> > > > a> > > > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this> > > view.)> > > > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze> > > cover> > > > is> > > > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.> > > > >> > > > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.> > > > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are> > > missing> > > > now.> > > > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation > has> > > been> > > > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed > inside a> > > > larger> > > > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not > part of> > > the> > > > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of> > > sun's> > > > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. > They> > > > took> > > > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. > The> > > > terms> > > > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.> > > Therefore> > > > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the> > > > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka> > > Sankranthi)> > > > > and eventually forgotten.> > > > >> > > > > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the> > > surroundings.> > > > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear> > > view of> > > > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was > perhaps a> > > > water> > > > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs > serve a> > > > dual> > > > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset > of> > > summer> > > > > solstice.> > > > >> > > > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated> > > astronomers?> > > > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted > temple.> > > Was> > > > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell?> > > Historians> > > > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a> > > school> > > > of> > > > > astronomy?> > > > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, > Bangalore.> > > > > Website: taralaya.org)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.a> > > sp> > > > >> > > >> > > > <http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov252008/spectrum20081124102541.> > > as\> > > > \> > > > \> > > > > p>> > > > >> > > >> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > >> > >> > > --- End forwarded message ---> > >> >>

December 2, 2008

, " prashanthnair999 "

<prashanthnair999 wrote:

dear respected Kaul ji

yes ,can we discuss why this regurgitation s happening only to few ppl

like u who has some hidden agenda with some undigested theories they

thinks the pillars of hindusim can b shaken

why u r eager to place everything according to christian dollar -euro

centric views and their idea of geneology .

according to u everything happen according to their timing scale and

chronology .so u place any one with that time line eager to satisfy ur

boses ,and u r saying alexanders attack which u dont know even

historical facts even on one village has shook all indian scenario and

it changed all thinking process and then still greeks cant maintain any

supremacy over indians sound funny or crooked right ??( chistian

chronology --it says adam born some 6000 yrs b4 then flood also happened

in between so world has some 3000 yrs for total devlpment and greeks

suposed to come for begging in india at BC 200 and not even any

reference in budhist texts ,( china says budha is born in BC 1900 and

and srilankan scholars and other s statess it is around 550 BC ,and all

the proof in every where ,where as no proof of christ even born or no

historical reference tallies too .) where as so many gr8 kings ruled tru

out budhist period and they hav good reference everywhere tho this

christian tuned hostorians and ppl like u spreading some

misunderstanding as they were riding donkeys those days .

how can it b all budhist classics and texts dont care or mention abt

Greeks ,oh they r also son in law of mayasura may b .

what is ur knowledge abt all those pancha sidhanthas ,u who blv rishies

said earth was flat like x-mas cake .

ok,i am with u as i am also converted into ur way ,so no problem and

dont worry,let us together spread all lies

regrds prashanth nair

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

jyotirved@ wrote:

>

> Shri Prashanth Nairji,

> Namaskar!

> Your posts are really amusing and very often even funny, your

> vituperative regurgitation not withstandig! But cerainly they do

> provide me a chance to clarify the points raised by you to the whole

> world, since extremly few people, if any, want to realize the truth!

> Maybe you want to do so the other way round, i.e. by scintilating

> falsehoods from the real gems.

>

> There is a saying in Sanskrit " sthanu khanana nyay " i.e. when a

> building has to be rasied on some pillars, those pillars are

> installed and then shaken again and again in the ground where they

> have been installed, to test their strength as to what type of a

> supersturcture they can carry! It is a similar case with me! By

> replying your abusive posts I am actually clarifying my own stand to

> myself!

>

> You have said, " here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is

> given by surya to mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so

> it is not maya the mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .another

> lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that it is

> wrong in principles "

>

> Obviously, just to prove your own misconceptions, you are trying to

> attribute such statements to me which I have never made! You have

> said " if u blv it is given by surya to mayasura " ! Can you show me

> even a single post where I have said that what Maya the mlechha had

> said about the Surya Sidhanta was Truth and nothing but truth

> according to me?

> On the other hand, I have repeated it hundreds of times that almost

> simultaneously with the the invasion of Alexander of Macedonea,

> Greeks had taken Hindus for a ride by making them astro-buffs and the

> Surya Sidhanta is a creation of some Greek astrologer! It appears he

> had gained a lot of knowledge about Hindu cutlural ethos and

> exploited the same! Maya the creator of the Surya Sidhanta is thus

> neither Mayasura, the father-in-law of the Rakshasa Ravana, nor the

> one who has been talked about in the Mbh! It is just a fictitious

> name used by some Greek astrologer and in order to get his

> monstrously incorrect astronnical work recognized by God-fearing

> Hindus, he put the ball squarely in the lap of Surya Bhagwan by

> making Him the real " author " of the Surya Sidhanta! The fictious

> Maya even named it as Surya Sidhanta instead of Maya Sidhanta, lest

> his game-plan backfired!

> And he has succeeded marvellously in his attempt of making a fool of

> Hindus, even beyond his own imagination! Over the last two thousand

> years, we have literally been worshipping the " Surya Sidhanta " under

> the impression that it is a work by Surya Bhagwan---when it is

> actually a concoction of the worst order attributed by some Greek

> astrologer, who named himself " Maya " , to Surya Bhagwan!

>

> IT IS JUST LIKE BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASTRA---HALF A DOZEN VERSIONS

> AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TODAY---WHICH ARE ALL CONCOCTIONS SINCE NONE

> OF THEM IS BY THE REAL MAHARSHI PARASHARA, THE FATHER OF KRISHNA

> DVAIPAYANA VEDAVYASA!

>

> And since the Surya Sidhanta is neither by Mayasura nor by Surya

> Bhagwan but by some Greek astrologer, that is why I am repeating

> again and again that Maya the author of Surya Sidhanta was a mlechha,

> since Vrahamihira has talked about Yavanas -- Greeks--- as mlechhas!

> Even if Varahamihira has quoted Garga in this connection, you can

> rest assured that it is not Garga Rishi of the Mahabharata, but a

> Garga of second century BCE, who is said to have called Yavanas as

> mlechhas! And by Yavnas, none but Greeks are meant in this context!

>

> The most ironical part is that after you were unable to establish the

> falsehood that the author of the Surya Sidhanta was some " sage

> Surya " , you immediately shifted gears to corner me that if the Surya

> Sidhanta was a work of Surya Bhagwan, how could it be incorrect!

> Well, why don't you put the same question to yourslf? If the Surya

> Sidhanta had really been a creation of Surya Bhagwan, how could its

> fundamental arguments be useless, meaningless and a fraud on the real

> Vedas, since IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY NOW BEYOND ALL THE REASONABLE

> DOUBTS THAT THE SURYA SIDHANTA IS A BLOT ON THE REAL ASTRONOMY, AND

> MUST BE DISCARDED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.

> Dhanyavad.

> A K Kaul

>

> , " prashanthnair999 "

> prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> >

> > dear respected pandit kaul ji

> >

> > namskaram

> >

> > here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is given by surya

> to

> > mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so it is not maya the

> > mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .

> >

> > another lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that

> it is

> > wrong in principles

> >

> > did u read yavana jatakam and see what is says ??

> >

> > do u r spade work

> >

> > did u got time to see messge numbr 870 and answer it ???

> >

> > did u read prashna maarga ??

> >

> > regrds Prashanth Nair

> >

> > NB

> >

> > this is jhora planetary positions on jan 14th 2008 for delhi over ur

> > house and head in rohini ,delhi

> >

> > January 14, 2009

> > Time: 20:15:45

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > Delhi, India

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 3 Le 32' 20.31 " Magh 2 Le Ta

> > Sun - DK 0 Cp 35' 32.53 " USha 2 Cp Cp

> > Moon - BK 17 Le 56' 32.28 " PPha 2 Le Vi

> > Mars - AmK 19 Sg 51' 19.13 " PSha 2 Sg Vi

> > Mercury ® - PK 12 Cp 56' 13.38 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > Jupiter - GK 8 Cp 07' 07.27 " USha 4 Cp Pi

> > Venus - MK 17 Aq 42' 41.23 " Sata 4 Aq Pi

> > Saturn ® - AK 27 Le 36' 14.77 " UPha 1 Le Sg

> > Rahu 16 Cp 15' 18.46 " Srav 2 Cp Ta

> > Ketu 16 Cn 15' 18.46 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> >

> > see the diffrnce between the valentine day calender and surya

> sidhanta

> > .Stop fooling others

> >

> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > > jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Prashanth Nairji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > < did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva

> > > linga ??>

> > > Since how long has it been going on like that in that temple? Any

> > > idea? Secondly, why have you missed the main points of the article

> > > of the Deccan Herald that you have quoted yourself that it is

> talking

> > > of the two real solstices and equinoxes which are an anathema

> > > to " Vedic astrologers " , for whom the so called nirayana Rashis---

> > > especially the Lahiri ones---are the be all and end all of

> Jyotsiha

> > > shastra! You are also overlooking the fact conveniently that even

> > > the so called Makar Sankranti takes place on January 16 (and not

> > > January 14!) according to Ramana Ayanamsha and on yet some other

> day

> > > according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and still some other date as

> per

> > > Tilaka Ayanamsha and so on! Do you mean to say that even

> > > Gangadareswara temple is partial to " almighty " Lahiri? Tut,

> tut,tut

> > > for poor stalwarts of other ayanamshas!

> > >

> > > < it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means

> geocenticaly

> > > it is when sun enters makar rasi>

> > >

> > > Again, you are saying so only because you have not studied the

> Surya

> > > Sidhanta yourself. If you had read it, you would never have made

> > > such a baselesss and threfore foolish statement!

> > >

> > > The SS has broadcast from housetops, and I have repeated it

> hundreds

> > > of times, " Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades

> > > tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam. dvirashinathah ritavas

> tatoapi

> > > shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah " --

> i.e

> > > the " six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the

> year

> > > which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of

> Dakshinayana

> > > start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata

> > > Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the

> > > same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year " -

> > > (Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!

> > >

> > > There are innumerable similar other statements not only in the

> Surya

> > > Sidhanta but in other sidhantas also!

> > >

> > > It is thus evident that the Surya Sidhanta, like all the Puranas

> > > etc., is talkig of a seasonal year and the Rashis are a ditto

> copy of

> > > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy---since Capricorn, an English/Greek

> synonym

> > > of Makara Sankranti, is the shortest day of the year, known as

> Winter

> > > Solstice in English and Uttarayana in Sanskrit! Similarly, as per

> > > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy, Karkata sankrnati (known as Cancer

> ingress

> > > in English) is the longest day of the year and that is also the

> > > Summer Solstice, known as Dakshinayana in Sanskrit! As such, the

> > > Mesha etc. Sankrantis that the SS had actually wanted the Hindus

> to

> > > follow were the Western Capricorn and Cancer ingress etc. because

> > > there are no Mesha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga

> > > Jyotisha or in the Yajur Jyotisha etc.

> > >

> > > However, Maya the mlechha has actually made a mess while giving

> the

> > > fundamental arguments and that is what has trapped the good for

> > > nothing Hindu jyotishis over the last several centuries in a

> baseless

> > > controversy like sayana versus nirayana!

> > >

> > > The real problem arises and the confusion gets worst confounded as

> > > the calculated longitudes as per the SS algorithms do not tally at

> > > all with any sort of actual astronomical parameters, when actually

> > > they should have tallied exactly with the so called sayana

> longitudes

> > > as per its own conditions and dictates that the six months of

> > > Uttarayana start from Makar Sankranti and so on!

> > >

> > > The problem gets complicated further after the Ayanamsha

> corrections

> > > of Triprashna Adhikara 9/10 sholkas as per the Surya Sidhanta

> itself

> > > are made in the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti since then it

> falls 46

> > > days before the SS calculated Uttarayana i.e. around November 28--

> -

> > > and not on January 14---least of all December 21---these days!

> > >

> > > Thus here also you are caught on the wrong foot because you repeat

> > > like a parrot only what your mentors are dinning into your ears--

> " His

> > > mater's voice " !

> > >

> > > <tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

> > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya

> bhagavan>

> > >

> > > I really pity your ignorance and am also amused at your pathetic

> > > condition as to how you are being made a " shikhandi " by some

> vested

> > > interests since you are not only putting your ignorance on public

> > > display with such statments but also casting

> reflections/aspersions

> > > on some sincere peoples' efforts to streamline the Hindu calendar!

> > >

> > > If you had read the Surya Sidhanta yourself, you would not have

> made

> > > such a non-sensical statement that it was some Surya Muni instead

> of

> > > Surya Bhagwan which Maya the mlechha claims to have learnt

> astronomy

> > > from!

> > >

> > > Here are the 2nd to 6th sholkas from the very first adhyana of the

> > > original SS:

> > > (2)alpavshishte tu krite Mayo nama Mahasurah, rahasyam parmam

> punyam,

> > > jijnyasur jnyanam uttamam

> > > (3)vedangam agryam akhilam jyotisham gati karanam, aaradhayan

> > > vivasvantam tapastepe sudushkaram

> > > (4) toshitas tapasa tena preetas-tasmai vararthine, grahanam

> charitam

> > > pradan Mayaya SAVITA SVAYAM

> > > (5) viditaste maya bhavah tapasa aradhitats-tvaham, dadyam

> > > kalashrayam jnyanam jyotisham charitam mahat

> > > (6) na me tejas-saha kashchid-akhyatum nasti me kshyanah,

> madamshah

> > > purushoayam me nishchayaste kathayishyeti

> > >

> > > This is how Burgess has translated these sholkas, quite

> faithfully:

> > >

> > > " (2) When but little of the krita yuga was left, a great demon

> named

> > > Maya, being desirous to know that mysterious, supreme, pure and

> > > exalted science.

> > > (3) That chief auxiliary of the vedanga, in its entirety, the

> cause,

> > > namely of the motion of the heavenly jyotis, performed, in

> > > propitiation of the Sun, very severe religious austerities

> > >

> > > (4) Gratified by these austerities, and rendered propitious, the

> SUN

> > > HIMSELF delivered unto that Maya, who besought a boon, the system

> of

> > > the planets.

> > >

> > > (5) The blessed Sun spoke: Thine intent is known to me; I am

> > > gratified by thine austerities; I wil give thee the science upon

> > > which time is founded, the grand system of the planets.

> > >

> > > (6) No one is able to endure my brilliancy; for communication I

> have

> > > no leisure; this person, who is a part of me, shall relate to thee

> > > the whole.

> > >

> > > It is thus evident that Maya the asura (demon!) has claimed that

> the

> > > algorithms of the most monstrous astronomical work viz. the Surya

> > > Sidhanta were " revealed " (sic!) to him not by some Rishi named

> Surya

> > > but by Surya Bhagwan himself!

> > >

> > > Pl, stop making a fool of yourself and do some spade work yourself

> > > instead of being taken for a ride by your " Bishops " and " Popes " .

> > > A K Kaul

> > >

> > > HinduCalendar , " prashanthnair999 "

> > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear group

> > > >

> > > > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva

> > > linga ??

> > > >

> > > > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means

> geocenticaly

> > > it is

> > > > when sun enters makar rasi

> > > >

> > > > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real

> > > calender

> > > > of world decided by surya bhagavan

> > > >

> > > > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical

> > > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya

> > > bhagavan .

> > > >

> > > > because the aim is to spread confusion

> > > >

> > > > regrds prashanth nair

> > > >

> > > > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > > > prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at

> the

> > > Gavi

> > > > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14,

> but

> > > in the

> > > > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you

> visit

> > > this

> > > > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they

> > > mean

> > > > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> [http://www.deccanherald.com/DeccanHerald.com/UserFiles/Image/Nov24200

> > > 8/\

> > > > \

> > > > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of

> paintings;

> > > > running

> > > > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,

> > > pictorially.

> > > > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas

> and

> > > > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting

> caught my

> > > > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such

> > > > beautiful

> > > > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi

> Gangadhareshwara

> > > > temple

> > > > > at the heart of Bangalore.

> > > > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is

> > > Surya

> > > > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way

> through

> > > > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a

> > > specific

> > > > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be

> another

> > > day

> > > > in

> > > > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me

> constantly. My

> > > > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making

> desperate

> > > > attempts

> > > > > to verify it for almost for six years.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of

> acquaintances

> > > > waited

> > > > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open

> > > only if

> > > > it

> > > > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window.

> All

> > > three

> > > > of

> > > > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the

> idol

> > > over a

> > > > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.

> > > > >

> > > > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to

> > > many

> > > > and

> > > > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We

> tried in

> > > 2007

> > > > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of

> > > you to

> > > > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is

> > > slated

> > > > for

> > > > > January 14.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple

> > > consequence of

> > > > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south

> direction.

> > > As is

> > > > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21

> is

> > > the

> > > > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations

> are

> > > all

> > > > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of

> > > > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day,

> > > making

> > > > it

> > > > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the

> day is

> > > > aptly

> > > > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter. The

> > > duration of

> > > > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This

> day

> > > is

> > > > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and

> > > reaches

> > > > a

> > > > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the

> sun can

> > > > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana.

> Thus,

> > > > except

> > > > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the

> > > sun is

> > > > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the

> Surya

> > > > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east or

> > > even

> > > > the

> > > > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-

> south

> > > > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans –

none

> > > > > existed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two

> huge

> > > discs

> > > > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my

> trips

> > > to the

> > > > > temple extended to other dates in the year.

> > > > >

> > > > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave

> marks

> > > the

> > > > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs

> > > > indicate

> > > > > the direction of the sun around summer solstice. By June 16,

> the

> > > > shadow

> > > > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the

> > > eastern

> > > > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of

> the

> > > shadow

> > > > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My

> calculations

> > > > showed

> > > > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the

> > > shadow

> > > > of

> > > > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens

> > > only on

> > > > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.

> > > > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha

> falls

> > > > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about half an hour

> > > before

> > > > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple

> > > designed for

> > > > > the purpose of marking solstices.

> > > > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably

> > > either

> > > > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because

> the

> > > > second

> > > > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any

> other

> > > > > reason?

> > > > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The

> two

> > > discs

> > > > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May,

> 1792.

> > > > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most

> > > > importantly,

> > > > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana.

> > > (There is

> > > > a

> > > > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this

> > > view.)

> > > > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze

> > > cover

> > > > is

> > > > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.

> > > > >

> > > > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.

> > > > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are

> > > missing

> > > > now.

> > > > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation

> has

> > > been

> > > > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed

> inside a

> > > > larger

> > > > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not

> part of

> > > the

> > > > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of

> > > sun's

> > > > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators.

> They

> > > > took

> > > > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue.

> The

> > > > terms

> > > > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.

> > > Therefore

> > > > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the

> > > > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka

> > > Sankranthi)

> > > > > and eventually forgotten.

> > > > >

> > > > > The second painting of Daniell provides the view of the

> > > surroundings.

> > > > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear

> > > view of

> > > > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was

> perhaps a

> > > > water

> > > > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs

> serve a

> > > > dual

> > > > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset

> of

> > > summer

> > > > > solstice.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated

> > > astronomers?

> > > > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted

> temple.

> > > Was

> > > > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the comprehension of Daniell?

> > > Historians

> > > > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a

> > > school

> > > > of

> > > > > astronomy?

> > > > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium,

> Bangalore.

> > > > > Website: taralaya.org)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > sp

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > as\

> > > > \

> > > > > p>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > >

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> >

>

--- End forwarded message ---

December 3, 2008

Dear All,

I am giving my natal detail as follows.I want to know about my carreer, wealth, health and other details.

It is my keen request to send me the above details.

DOB: 31 July 1980

Time: 12 :15 pm

place: Cuttack, Orissa

Thanking You,

Prasad

prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 Sent: Tuesday, 2 December, 2008 3:06:33 PM Fwd: Re: A temple or a school of astronomy?

dear respected Kaul ji

yes ,can we discuss why this regurgitation s happening only to few ppl like u who has some hidden agenda with some undigested theories they thinks the pillars of hindusim can b shaken

why u r eager to place everything according to christian dollar -euro centric views and their idea of geneology .

according to u everything happen according to their timing scale and chronology .so u place any one with that time line eager to satisfy ur boses ,and u r saying alexanders attack which u dont know even historical facts even on one village has shook all indian scenario and it changed all thinking process and then still greeks cant maintain any supremacy over indians sound funny or crooked right ??( chistian chronology --it says adam born some 6000 yrs b4 then flood also happened in between so world has some 3000 yrs for total devlpment and greeks suposed to come for begging in india at BC 200 and not even any reference in budhist texts ,( china says budha is born in BC 1900 and and srilankan scholars and other s statess it is around 550 BC ,and all the proof in every where ,where as no proof of christ even born or no historical reference tallies too .) where as so many gr8 kings ruled tru out budhist period and they hav good

reference everywhere tho this christian tuned hostorians and ppl like u spreading some misunderstanding as they were riding donkeys those days .

how can it b all budhist classics and texts dont care or mention abt Greeks ,oh they r also son in law of mayasura may b .

what is ur knowledge abt all those pancha sidhanthas ,u who blv rishies said earth was flat like x-mas cake .

ok,i am with u as i am also converted into ur way ,so no problem and dont worry

regrds prashanth nair

, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved@.. .> wrote:>> Shri Prashanth Nairji,> Namaskar!> Your posts are really amusing and very often even funny, your > vituperative regurgitation not withstandig! But cerainly they do > provide me a chance to clarify the points raised by you to the whole > world, since extremly few people, if any, want to realize the truth! > Maybe you want to do so the other way round, i.e. by scintilating > falsehoods from the real gems.> > There is a saying in Sanskrit "sthanu khanana nyay" i.e. when a > building has to be rasied on some pillars, those pillars are > installed and then shaken again and again in the ground where they > have been installed, to test their strength as to what type of a > supersturcture they can carry! It is a similar case with me! By > replying

your abusive posts I am actually clarifying my own stand to > myself!> > You have said, "here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is > given by surya to mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so > it is not maya the mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .another > lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that it is> wrong in principles"> > Obviously, just to prove your own misconceptions, you are trying to > attribute such statements to me which I have never made! You have > said "if u blv it is given by surya to mayasura"! Can you show me > even a single post where I have said that what Maya the mlechha had > said about the Surya Sidhanta was Truth and nothing but truth > according to me? > On the other hand, I have repeated it hundreds of times that almost > simultaneously with the the invasion of Alexander of

Macedonea, > Greeks had taken Hindus for a ride by making them astro-buffs and the > Surya Sidhanta is a creation of some Greek astrologer! It appears he > had gained a lot of knowledge about Hindu cutlural ethos and > exploited the same! Maya the creator of the Surya Sidhanta is thus > neither Mayasura, the father-in-law of the Rakshasa Ravana, nor the > one who has been talked about in the Mbh! It is just a fictitious > name used by some Greek astrologer and in order to get his > monstrously incorrect astronnical work recognized by God-fearing > Hindus, he put the ball squarely in the lap of Surya Bhagwan by > making Him the real "author" of the Surya Sidhanta! The fictious > Maya even named it as Surya Sidhanta instead of Maya Sidhanta, lest > his game-plan backfired!> And he has succeeded marvellously in his attempt of making a fool of > Hindus, even

beyond his own imagination! Over the last two thousand > years, we have literally been worshipping the "Surya Sidhanta" under > the impression that it is a work by Surya Bhagwan---when it is > actually a concoction of the worst order attributed by some Greek > astrologer, who named himself "Maya", to Surya Bhagwan! > > IT IS JUST LIKE BRIHAT PARASHARA HORA SHASTRA---HALF A DOZEN VERSIONS > AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TODAY---WHICH ARE ALL CONCOCTIONS SINCE NONE > OF THEM IS BY THE REAL MAHARSHI PARASHARA, THE FATHER OF KRISHNA > DVAIPAYANA VEDAVYASA!> > > And since the Surya Sidhanta is neither by Mayasura nor by Surya > Bhagwan but by some Greek astrologer, that is why I am repeating > again and again that Maya the author of Surya Sidhanta was a mlechha, > since Vrahamihira has talked about Yavanas -- Greeks--- as mlechhas! > Even if Varahamihira

has quoted Garga in this connection, you can > rest assured that it is not Garga Rishi of the Mahabharata, but a > Garga of second century BCE, who is said to have called Yavanas as > mlechhas! And by Yavnas, none but Greeks are meant in this context!> > The most ironical part is that after you were unable to establish the > falsehood that the author of the Surya Sidhanta was some "sage > Surya", you immediately shifted gears to corner me that if the Surya > Sidhanta was a work of Surya Bhagwan, how could it be incorrect! > Well, why don't you put the same question to yourslf? If the Surya > Sidhanta had really been a creation of Surya Bhagwan, how could its > fundamental arguments be useless, meaningless and a fraud on the real > Vedas, since IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY NOW BEYOND ALL THE REASONABLE > DOUBTS THAT THE SURYA SIDHANTA IS A BLOT ON THE REAL ASTRONOMY,

AND > MUST BE DISCARDED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.> Dhanyavad.> A K Kaul> > > , "prashanthnair999" > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear respected pandit kaul ji> > > > namskaram> > > > > > > > here u r repeating same lies ,because if u blv it is given by surya > to > > mayasura ( remebr it is not yavana not mlecha so it is not maya the> > mlecha ) so ur one lie dont see its light .> > > > > > > > another lie if surya bhagavan given it then again u r lieing that > it is> > wrong in principles> > > > > > > > did u read yavana jatakam and see what is says ??> > > > do u r spade work> > > >

> > > > did u got time to see messge numbr 870 and answer it ???> > > > did u read prashna maarga ??> > > > > > > > regrds Prashanth Nair> > > > NB> > > > this is jhora planetary positions on jan 14th 2008 for delhi over ur> > house and head in rohini ,delhi> > > > January 14, 2009> > Time: 20:15:45> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > Delhi, India> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 3 Le 32' 20.31" Magh 2 Le Ta> > Sun - DK 0 Cp 35' 32.53" USha 2 Cp Cp> > Moon - BK 17 Le 56' 32.28" PPha 2 Le Vi> > Mars - AmK 19 Sg 51' 19.13" PSha 2 Sg Vi> > Mercury ® - PK 12 Cp 56' 13.38" Srav 1 Cp Ar> > Jupiter - GK 8 Cp 07' 07.27"

USha 4 Cp Pi> > Venus - MK 17 Aq 42' 41.23" Sata 4 Aq Pi> > Saturn ® - AK 27 Le 36' 14.77" UPha 1 Le Sg> > Rahu 16 Cp 15' 18.46" Srav 2 Cp Ta> > Ketu 16 Cn 15' 18.46" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > > > > > see the diffrnce between the valentine day calender and surya > sidhanta> > .Stop fooling others> > > > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > jyotirved@ wrote:> > >> > > Shri Prashanth Nairji,> > > Namaskar!> > > < did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva> > > linga ??>> >

> Since how long has it been going on like that in that temple? Any> > > idea? Secondly, why have you missed the main points of the article> > > of the Deccan Herald that you have quoted yourself that it is > talking> > > of the two real solstices and equinoxes which are an anathema> > > to "Vedic astrologers" , for whom the so called nirayana Rashis---> > > especially the Lahiri ones---are the be all and end all of > Jyotsiha> > > shastra! You are also overlooking the fact conveniently that even> > > the so called Makar Sankranti takes place on January 16 (and not> > > January 14!) according to Ramana Ayanamsha and on yet some other > day> > > according to Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and still some other date as > per> > > Tilaka Ayanamsha and so on! Do you mean to say that even> > >

Gangadareswara temple is partial to "almighty" Lahiri? Tut, > tut,tut> > > for poor stalwarts of other ayanamshas!> > >> > > < it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means > geocenticaly> > > it is when sun enters makar rasi>> > >> > > Again, you are saying so only because you have not studied the > Surya> > > Sidhanta yourself. If you had read it, you would never have made> > > such a baselesss and threfore foolish statement!> > >> > > The SS has broadcast from housetops, and I have repeated it > hundreds> > > of times, "Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades> > > tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam.. dvirashinathah ritavas > tatoapi> > > shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah" -- >

i.e> > > the "six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the > year> > > which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of > Dakshinayana> > > start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata> > > Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the> > > same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year" -> > > (Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!> > >> > > There are innumerable similar other statements not only in the > Surya> > > Sidhanta but in other sidhantas also!> > >> > > It is thus evident that the Surya Sidhanta, like all the Puranas> > > etc., is talkig of a seasonal year and the Rashis are a ditto > copy of> > > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy--- since Capricorn, an English/Greek >

synonym> > > of Makara Sankranti, is the shortest day of the year, known as > Winter> > > Solstice in English and Uttarayana in Sanskrit! Similarly, as per> > > Grecho-Chaldean astronomy, Karkata sankrnati (known as Cancer > ingress> > > in English) is the longest day of the year and that is also the> > > Summer Solstice, known as Dakshinayana in Sanskrit! As such, the> > > Mesha etc. Sankrantis that the SS had actually wanted the Hindus > to> > > follow were the Western Capricorn and Cancer ingress etc. because> > > there are no Mesha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga> > > Jyotisha or in the Yajur Jyotisha etc.> > >> > > However, Maya the mlechha has actually made a mess while giving > the> > > fundamental arguments and that is what has trapped the good

for> > > nothing Hindu jyotishis over the last several centuries in a > baseless> > > controversy like sayana versus nirayana!> > >> > > The real problem arises and the confusion gets worst confounded as> > > the calculated longitudes as per the SS algorithms do not tally at> > > all with any sort of actual astronomical parameters, when actually> > > they should have tallied exactly with the so called sayana > longitudes> > > as per its own conditions and dictates that the six months of> > > Uttarayana start from Makar Sankranti and so on!> > >> > > The problem gets complicated further after the Ayanamsha > corrections> > > of Triprashna Adhikara 9/10 sholkas as per the Surya Sidhanta > itself> > > are made in the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti since then it

> falls 46> > > days before the SS calculated Uttarayana i.e. around November 28--> -> > > and not on January 14---least of all December 21---these days!> > >> > > Thus here also you are caught on the wrong foot because you repeat> > > like a parrot only what your mentors are dinning into your ears--> "His> > > mater's voice"!> > >> > > <tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya > bhagavan>> > >> > > I really pity your ignorance and am also amused at your pathetic> > > condition as to how you are being made a "shikhandi" by some > vested> > > interests since you are not only putting your ignorance on public> > > display with such statments but

also casting > reflections/ aspersions> > > on some sincere peoples' efforts to streamline the Hindu calendar!> > >> > > If you had read the Surya Sidhanta yourself, you would not have > made> > > such a non-sensical statement that it was some Surya Muni instead > of> > > Surya Bhagwan which Maya the mlechha claims to have learnt > astronomy> > > from!> > >> > > Here are the 2nd to 6th sholkas from the very first adhyana of the> > > original SS:> > > (2)alpavshishte tu krite Mayo nama Mahasurah, rahasyam parmam > punyam,> > > jijnyasur jnyanam uttamam> > > (3)vedangam agryam akhilam jyotisham gati karanam, aaradhayan> > > vivasvantam tapastepe sudushkaram> > > (4) toshitas tapasa tena preetas-tasmai vararthine, grahanam >

charitam> > > pradan Mayaya SAVITA SVAYAM> > > (5) viditaste maya bhavah tapasa aradhitats-tvaham, dadyam> > > kalashrayam jnyanam jyotisham charitam mahat> > > (6) na me tejas-saha kashchid-akhyatum nasti me kshyanah, > madamshah> > > purushoayam me nishchayaste kathayishyeti> > >> > > This is how Burgess has translated these sholkas, quite > faithfully:> > >> > > "(2) When but little of the krita yuga was left, a great demon > named> > > Maya, being desirous to know that mysterious, supreme, pure and> > > exalted science.> > > (3) That chief auxiliary of the vedanga, in its entirety, the > cause,> > > namely of the motion of the heavenly jyotis, performed, in> > > propitiation of the Sun, very severe religious austerities> >

>> > > (4) Gratified by these austerities, and rendered propitious, the > SUN> > > HIMSELF delivered unto that Maya, who besought a boon, the system > of> > > the planets.> > >> > > (5) The blessed Sun spoke: Thine intent is known to me; I am> > > gratified by thine austerities; I wil give thee the science upon> > > which time is founded, the grand system of the planets.> > >> > > (6) No one is able to endure my brilliancy; for communication I > have> > > no leisure; this person, who is a part of me, shall relate to thee> > > the whole.> > >> > > It is thus evident that Maya the asura (demon!) has claimed that > the> > > algorithms of the most monstrous astronomical work viz. the Surya> > > Sidhanta were "revealed" (sic!) to him

not by some Rishi named > Surya> > > but by Surya Bhagwan himself!> > >> > >> > > Pl, stop making a fool of yourself and do some spade work yourself> > > instead of being taken for a ride by your "Bishops" and "Popes".> > > A K Kaul> > >> > >> > > HinduCalendar, "prashanthnair999"> > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > , "prashanthnair999"> > > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear group> > > >> > > > did any one think why jan 14th this suns rays falling on siva> > > linga ??> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > > > it is makar samkranti according surya sidhantha means > geocenticaly> > > it is> > > > when sun enters makar rasi> > > >> > > > so think the diffrnce between the valentine calender and real> > > calender> > > > of world decided by surya bhagavan> > > >> > > > tho it is surya muni who taught maya the mlecha the astronomical> > > > principles but our bishops like kaul ji spread s it is surya> > > bhagavan .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > because the aim is to spread confusion> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds prashanth nair> > > >> > > >> > > > @

. com, "prashanthnair999"> > > > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > The famous event of the suns rays bathing the Shivalinga at > the> > > Gavi> > > > > Gangadhareshwara temple takes place not just on January 14, > but> > > in the> > > > > course of this week too, according to B S Shylaja. When you > visit> > > this> > > > > famous temple, take a look at the two huge stone chakras; they> > > mean> > > > > something hitherto unknown, she explains.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > [http://www. deccanherald. com/DeccanHerald .com/UserFiles/ Image/Nov24200> > > 8/\> > > > \> > > > \> >

> > > spec4.jpg] Several years ago I came across a book of > paintings;> > > > running> > > > > through its pages was like turning the pages of history,> > > pictorially.> > > > > The paintings were the creations of Daniell brothers, Thomas > and> > > > > William, who visited India during 1790- 94. One painting > caught my> > > > > attention. It was familiar. No other temple in India has such> > > > beautiful> > > > > large stone discs. Yes, that was the famous Gavi > Gangadhareshwara> > > > temple> > > > > at the heart of Bangalore.> > > > > This temple had earlier tickled me for another reason. That is> > > Surya> > > > > Majjana, the phenomenon of the sun's rays making their way >

through> > > > > the windows to shine on the Linga inside the cave. Why on a> > > specific> > > > > date? This question had me thinking. That there has to be > another> > > day> > > > in> > > > > the year when this would happen again, bothered me > constantly. My> > > > > calculations gave me the dates too. I had been making > desperate> > > > attempts> > > > > to verify it for almost for six years.> > > > >> > > > > Then it happened a couple of years ago. A couple of > acquaintances> > > > waited> > > > > patiently every evening at the temple. The door would be open> > > only if> > > > it> > > > > was a Monday; otherwise one had to look through the window.

> All> > > three> > > > of> > > > > us managed to get a glimpse of the sunlight shining on the > idol> > > over a> > > > > five-day stretch from November 26 to December 2.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The fact that there is a second Surya Majjana was not known to> > > many> > > > and> > > > > unfortunately was not received very enthusiastically. We > tried in> > > 2007> > > > > again and got the dates confirmed. So now it is for any one of> > > you to> > > > > go to the temple and see the same Surya Majjana event that is> > > slated> > > > for> > > > > January

14.> > > > >> > > > > So, what is significance of these dates? It is a simple> > > consequence of> > > > > the apparent movement of the sun in the north- south > direction.> > > As is> > > > > well known, there are four important dates in a yea. March 21 > is> > > the> > > > > vernal equinox, the onset of spring and new year celebrations > are> > > all> > > > > associated with it. Then, there's June 22, marking the end of> > > > > summer. The sun is in the northern-most position on this day,> > > making> > > > it> > > > > the longest day. Then begins the southward journey; so the > day is> > > > aptly> > > > > termed Dakshinayana. The day gets shorter thereafter.

The> > > duration of> > > > > the day is equal to that of the night on September 22 . This > day> > > is> > > > > called the autumnal equinox. The length of the day shrinks and> > > reaches> > > > a> > > > > minimum on December 22. That is the southernmost limit the > sun can> > > > > reach. His northward begins on this day called Uttarayana. > Thus,> > > > except> > > > > June 22 and December 22, for any other day the position of the> > > sun is> > > > > repeated on a second day. We had deduced the dates for the > Surya> > > > > majjana event of Gavi Gangadhareshwara temple on this premise.> > > > >> > > > > Unlike most of the temples, this one does not face the east

or> > > even> > > > the> > > > > west. The orientation seemed intriguing and fixing the north-> south> > > > > directions was very tricky. I searched for ground plans â€“ none> > > > > existed.> > > > >> > > > > I prepared my own plan. Then it occurred to me that the two > huge> > > discs> > > > > in front of the temple have a special significance. So my > trips> > > to the> > > > > temple extended to other dates in the year.> > > > >> > > > > The discs are indeed special. Just as the entry to the cave > marks> > > the> > > > > direction of the sun close to winter solstice, these two discs> > > > indicate> > > > > the direction of the sun

around summer solstice. By June 16, > the> > > > shadow> > > > > of the western disc started appearing on the wall behind the> > > eastern> > > > > disc. I sketched the scene and extrapolated the movement of > the> > > shadow> > > > > to sunset because the trees blocked the sunlight. My > calculations> > > > showed> > > > > that if one can let unobstructed sunlight reach the discs, the> > > shadow> > > > of> > > > > the western disc would fall on the eastern disc. This happens> > > only on> > > > > June 22 and for a few days on either side of it.> > > > > We also noticed that the shadow of the brass Dhwajasthambha > falls> > > > > exactly at the centre of the eastern disc about

half an hour> > > before> > > > > sunset. Therefore this appears to be a unique cave temple> > > designed for> > > > > the purpose of marking solstices.> > > > > Historians have mentioned only the January 14-event probably> > > either> > > > > because of the harvest festival associated with it or because > the> > > > second> > > > > set of dates was simply not known to them. Or was there any > other> > > > > reason?> > > > > This is where the painting of Daniell gave me the clue. The > two> > > discs> > > > > and the trident appear intact. The painting is dated 10 May, > 1792.> > > > > However, a careful analysis reveals some differences. Most> > > > importantly,> >

> > > there are no windows to let the sunlight for Surya Majjana.> > > (There is> > > > a> > > > > second painting of Hunter dated 1806; it does not provide this> > > view.)> > > > > The absence of Dhwajasthambha is very conspicuous. (The bronze> > > cover> > > > is> > > > > dated 1979). So is the small Mantapa which houses a Nandi.> > > > >> > > > > The gradual slope of the hillock is now converted into steps.> > > > > Furthermore, there are three arch-like structures which are> > > missing> > > > now.> > > > > It appeared to me that in the last 200 years, some renovation > has> > > been> > > > > done. The three arch-like structures then were enclosed > inside a>

> > > larger> > > > > Mantapa. The two rows of pillars have a roof which is not > part of> > > the> > > > > hillock. Thus the temple got a complete facelift. The idea of> > > sun's> > > > > rays falling on the idol was perhaps known to the renovators. > They> > > > took> > > > > care to install windows so as to let the phenomenon continue. > The> > > > terms> > > > > Uttarayana and Makara Sankranthi were considered synonymous.> > > Therefore> > > > > the windows were aligned for Makara Sankranathi. Similarly the> > > > > Dhwajasthambha was matched for summer solstice (Karkataka> > > Sankranthi)> > > > > and eventually forgotten.> > > > >> > > > > The

second painting of Daniell provides the view of the> > > surroundings.> > > > > Two hundred years ago, the region was barren offering a clear> > > view of> > > > > the horizon. The place between temple and the gopura was > perhaps a> > > > water> > > > > drain. In the event of visibility of the horizon the discs > serve a> > > > dual> > > > > purpose, they mark the sunrise of winter solstice and sunset > of> > > summer> > > > > solstice.> > > > >> > > > > Does that mean people who used this cave were dedicated> > > astronomers?> > > > > Daniell in his footnote mentions that this was a deserted > temple.> > > Was> > > > > it? Or was the purpose beyond the

comprehension of Daniell?> > > Historians> > > > > may have the answers. Who knows, this temple could have been a> > > school> > > > of> > > > > astronomy?> > > > > (The author is with BASE, Jawaharlal Nehru Planetarium, > Bangalore.> > > > > Website: taralaya.org)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.deccanhe rald.com/ Content/Nov25200 8/spectrum200811 24102541. a> > > sp> > > > >> > > >> > > > <http://www.deccanhe rald.com/ Content/Nov25200 8/spectrum200811 24102541.> > > as\> > > > \> > > > \> > > > > p>> > > > >> > >

>> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > >> > >> > > --- End forwarded message ---> > >> >>

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December 3, 2008

>where as no proof of christ even born or no>historical reference tallies too

I know this is a bit out of context, but in my opinion the existence of the Bible disproves your above assertion.

December 3, 2008

dear econ_dude ji

hurting of any one's religious sentimnts or blf is not my aim ,even i know atleast mark ji is memebr of this forum .

u said the existence of the Bible disproves your above assertion.-

This prooved wat i said ,i never said bible not existing ,i might hav read it 4000 times ,atleast u shud read marcos ,mathews ,timothios ,and their accounts when jesus was arrested and taken to crucify ,each one givs diffrnt accounts(now using memory ) .here i dont want to discuss more .but waht i am saying is one book is approaching an event with this way then imagine abt a long histroy and such a volumnous literature in astrology .

also can u show me one astronomical event a star has appeared any where in history ( i am not asking u to explain nor i wanted to discuss further ) as they says in bible during the birth of jesus .

also read quran and various text s not to disapprov or see science behind it but i was in search

some thoughts naturaly happening

i read frm JAPAN embassy library in one diffrnt country( not in india ) sakya muni budha is born in BC 1900 and SL says gautama budha is born in BC 550 or so and then it was ruling of budhist kings in india ,so naturaly we may miss both as same budha .may b i am wrong too but this is wat i read .

Now read parasara Hora says Budha ( even ramayana ) ,so u can date BPHS on any convennt date of ur choice ( u need only a diffrn missioon to not approv )

here i was mentioning abt evngalisation progrme in india which u may also agree ,here when talks with real proofs of books and evidence and even events they r generalising or not answering or avoiding answers .even u search in this gr p itself .

or in the event of they cannot disapprov it then says it is after AD or DC or CD like this without any proof to support .we use wording Budha as Bhagavan ,in surya sidhantha he use surya rishi as Bhagavan .

so why they r behind such a constant efforts and what they r after who is financing this .

every one knows that astronomy except ganita part is not used in astrology .signs or indicaters or male or female signs or pancha bhootas or so many other aspects has nothing to do with modern science or evn astronomy of past or even present .even i know this ppl irrespectiv each claims and SW induced minds they realy dont know what is astrology ,even those days itself rishis never mix this .even maths also they approach with spiritual way ,is it means that they were wrong can u show it to me ??

Now sant guru sanat ji says it was his invention ,even aryabhatiyam wont says or discuss predictiv way in astronomy .then wat is that new thing here they r saying > even no rishi has told their finding is absolute and they also said and asked others to improv depends on time progressing ( that is why Varahmihira said abt various sidhanthas ) ,so a kerala teacher has made driganita for correcting some missing happened later in surya sidhantha due to time passes but later due to no sponsors nothing is happening except this fraud charlan name calling .

do u think all indian kings were fools like kaul ji or sant ji

if a desrt has watch towers kerala we need not need it as we hav hills and mountains ,but thse ppl without any thing in upper story of their buildings can say any foolery ,it does not mean that kerala dont hav observatory those days ,but not in form of towers .other wise many temples and even some festivals connect to many cosmic events .

it is like what u said b4 homeo medicne is working but wont pass the test of modern laboratory to proov except cure even a cancer .( it is ur words i blv i read u posted long back ) same is with chinese accupuncture or so many other science to even indian architecture as we dont treat human as machines and spare part and replacebale like that

hope u got my points

regrds prashanth nair

, econdude <econ_dude wrote:>> >where as no proof of christ even born or no> >historical reference tallies too> > I know this is a bit out of context, but in my opinion the existence of the Bible disproves your above assertion.>

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