Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Kishore Patnaik ji, Namaskar! By saying that Bhavishya Purana talks of Jesus Christ, we, the proud historians of India, ourselves admit that the Puranas have not been written/compiled by Krishna Dvaipayana Vedavyasa of pre-Kali Era of prior to 3102 BCE! These Puranas are a much later concoction thus since we cannot have the cake and eat it as well! With regards, A K Kaul hinducivilization , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > The description that is taken to be of Jesus is found in verses 17- 32 in the > 19th chapter of the Chaturyuga Khanda Dvitiyadhyayah of the *Bhavishya > Purana*. To get a clearer understanding, here is what the verses say: > > Texts 17 - 21 > > * vikramaditya-pautrasca > pitr-rajyam grhitavan > jitva sakanduradharsams > cina-taittiridesajan* > > * bahlikankamarupasca > romajankhurajanchhatan > tesam kosan-grhitva ca > danda-yogyanakarayat* > > * sthapita tena maryada > mleccharyanam prthak-prthak > sindhusthanam iti jneyam > rastramaryasya cottamam* > > *mlecchasthanam param sindhoh > krtam tena mahatmana > ekada tu sakadiso > himatungam samayayau* > > " Ruling over the Aryans was a king called Shalivahana, the > grandson of Vikramaditya, who occupied the throne of his father. He defeated > the Shakas who were very difficult to subdue, the Cinas [Chinese], and the > people from Tittiri and Bahikaus who could assume any form at will. He also > defeated the people from Rome and the descendants of Khuru, who were > deceitful and wicked. He punished them severely and took their wealth. > Shalivahana thus established the boundaries dividing the separate countries > of the *mlecchas *[low classes] and the Aryans. In this way Sindusthan came > to be known as the greatest country. That personality appointed the abode of > the *mlecchas * beyond the Sindhu River and to the west. " > > Text 22 > > *ekadaa tu shakadhisho > himatungari samaayayau > hunadeshasya madhye vai > giristhan purusam shubhano > dadarsha balaram raajaa* > > Once upon a time the Lord of the Sakas went towards Himatunga > and in the middle of the Huna country (Hunadesh - the area near Manasa > Sarovara or Kailash mountain in Western Tibet), the powerful king saw an > auspicious man who was living on a mountain. The man's complexion was golden > and his clothes were white. ( note here that King has seen a person and if > he were to be a foreigner to the king, that fact would have been mentioned. > Clearly, who the king met was an Indian) > > Text 23 > > > *ko bharam iti tam praaha > su hovacha mudanvitah > iishaa purtagm maam viddhi > kumaarigarbha sambhavam* > > " The king asked, 'Who are you sir?' 'You should know that I am > Isha Purta, the follower of Sun', he replied blissfully, and 'am born of a > virgin.' " Here, ,you should note the Christian idea that Jesus was born of a > virgin is based on the following verse found in the Christian version of the > Old Testament in the Book of Isaiah: " Behold, a virgin has conceived and > bears a son and she will call his name Immanuel. " But the original Hebrew > text of the Book of Isaiah does not mention anything about a virgin. The > original text being:* hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve- karath shem-o > immanuel*, " Behold, the young woman has conceived - and bears a son and > calls his name Immanuel. " (Isaiah 7.14) Thus, it is possible the very > unscientific idea that a virgin could give birth , or a woman can stay > virgin after giving birth to a kid, is possibly only adopted from various > Indian legends and of course, the sources mentioned above. > > Text 24 > > *mleccha dharmasya vaktaram > satyavata paraayanam > iti srutva nrpa praaha > dharmah ko bhavato matah* > > " 'I expound of the religion of the *mlecchas *and in this > regard, I strictly adhere to what is Truth.' Hearing this the king > enquired, '(is it so?) what do you think of the religion then? " > > Texts 25 - 26 > > * shruto vaaca mahaaraaja > praapte satyasya samkshaye > nirmaaryaade mlechadeshe > masiiho 'ham samagatah* > > *iishaamasii ca dasyuunaa > praadurbhuutaa bhayankarii > taamaham mlecchataah praapya > masiihatva mupaagatah* > > " Hearing this questions of Shalivahana, that follower of Sun > said, 'O king, when the truth decays, , I, who is called Masiaha, went to > this country of degraded people where there are no rules and regulations. > Finding that fearful irreligious condition of the barbarians of this > Mleccha-Desha, I have taken to preaching'. " > > > Texts 27 - 29 > > *mlecchasa sthaapito dharmo > mayaa tacchrnu bhuupate > maanasam nirmalam krtva > malam dehe subhaasbham > > naiganam apamasthaya > japeta nirmalam param > nyayena satyavacasaa > manasyai kena manavah > > dhyayena pujayedisham > suurya-mandala-samsthitam > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- > athaa suuryacalah sada* > > " Please hear, Oh king, which religious principles I have > established among the *mlecchas*. The living entity is subject to good and > bad contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking recourse of proper > conduct and performance of *japa *[meditation on the chanting of the holy > names of God]. By chanting the holy names one attains the highest purity. > The God exists in Sun. Thus by following rules, speaking truthful words, by > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of Manu, one should worship > that immovable Lord'. " > > > That the person who the king met was a worshipper of Sun and it is well > known that sun worship was prevalent during 1st c CE. (cf > *http://www.kashmirsentinel.com/maya1999/4.6.html) > > <http://www.kashmirsentinel.com/maya1999/4.6.html>* > > Bible does not preach sun worship any where. > ** > > Text 30 > > Text 30 > > *isha muurtirt-dradi praptaa > nityashuddha sivamkari > ishamasihah iti ca > mama nama pratishthitam* > > " Having placed the eternally pure and auspicious form of the > Supreme Lord in my heart, O protector of the earth planet, I preached these > principles through the *mlecchas' *own faith and thus my name became > 'isha-masiha' ( who preached about Isha, the God). " > > Text 31 > > *iti shrutra sa bhuupale > natraa tam mlecchapujaam > sthaapayaamaasa tam tutra > mlecchasthaane hi daarune* > > " After hearing these words and paying obeisances to that person > who is worshiped by the wicked, the king humbly requested him to stay there > in the dreadful land of *mlecchas*. " > > Text 32 > > *svaraajyam praaptavaan raajaa > hayamedhan ciikirat > raajyam kriitvaa sa shashthyabdam > svarga lokamu paayayau* > > " King Shalivahana, after leaving his kingdom performed an > asvamedha yajna and after ruling for sixty years, went to heaven. Now please > hear what happened when the king went to (the heavenly region of) > svargaloka. " > > > From the above, it is clear that text 22-31 are inserted later. B V Giri and > Stephen Knapp conclude that this story is not authentic. In any case, the > story talks of a Sun worhsipper from India, who has preached in the Mleccha > desha and not the Jesus christ who is described in Bible. > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " jyotirved@ wrote: Shri Kishore Patnaik ji, Namaskar! By saying that Bhavishya Purana talks of Jesus Christ, we, the proud historians of India, ourselves admit that the Puranas have not been written/compiled by Krishna Dvaipayana Vedavyasa of pre-Kali Era of prior to 3102 BCE! These Puranas are a much later concoction thus since we cannot have the cake and eat it as well! With regards, A K Kaul hinducivilization , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > The description that is taken to be of Jesus is found in verses 17- 32 in the > 19th chapter of the Chaturyuga Khanda Dvitiyadhyayah of the *Bhavishya > Purana*. To get a clearer understanding, here is what the verses say: > > Texts 17 - 21 > > * vikramaditya-pautrasca > pitr-rajyam grhitavan > jitva sakanduradharsams > cina-taittiridesajan* > > * bahlikankamarupasca > romajankhurajanchhatan > tesam kosan-grhitva ca > danda-yogyanakarayat* > > * sthapita tena maryada > mleccharyanam prthak-prthak > sindhusthanam iti jneyam > rastramaryasya cottamam* > > *mlecchasthanam param sindhoh > krtam tena mahatmana > ekada tu sakadiso > himatungam samayayau* > > " Ruling over the Aryans was a king called Shalivahana, the > grandson of Vikramaditya, who occupied the throne of his father. He defeated > the Shakas who were very difficult to subdue, the Cinas [Chinese], and the > people from Tittiri and Bahikaus who could assume any form at will. He also > defeated the people from Rome and the descendants of Khuru, who were > deceitful and wicked. He punished them severely and took their wealth. > Shalivahana thus established the boundaries dividing the separate countries > of the *mlecchas *[low classes] and the Aryans. In this way Sindusthan came > to be known as the greatest country. That personality appointed the abode of > the *mlecchas * beyond the Sindhu River and to the west. " > > Text 22 > > *ekadaa tu shakadhisho > himatungari samaayayau > hunadeshasya madhye vai > giristhan purusam shubhano > dadarsha balaram raajaa* > > Once upon a time the Lord of the Sakas went towards Himatunga > and in the middle of the Huna country (Hunadesh - the area near Manasa > Sarovara or Kailash mountain in Western Tibet), the powerful king saw an > auspicious man who was living on a mountain. The man's complexion was golden > and his clothes were white. ( note here that King has seen a person and if > he were to be a foreigner to the king, that fact would have been mentioned. > Clearly, who the king met was an Indian) > > Text 23 > > > *ko bharam iti tam praaha > su hovacha mudanvitah > iishaa purtagm maam viddhi > kumaarigarbha sambhavam* > > " The king asked, 'Who are you sir?' 'You should know that I am > Isha Purta, the follower of Sun', he replied blissfully, and 'am born of a > virgin.' " Here, ,you should note the Christian idea that Jesus was born of a > virgin is based on the following verse found in the Christian version of the > Old Testament in the Book of Isaiah: " Behold, a virgin has conceived and > bears a son and she will call his name Immanuel. " But the original Hebrew > text of the Book of Isaiah does not mention anything about a virgin. The > original text being:* hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve- karath shem-o > immanuel*, " Behold, the young woman has conceived - and bears a son and > calls his name Immanuel. " (Isaiah 7.14) Thus, it is possible the very > unscientific idea that a virgin could give birth , or a woman can stay > virgin after giving birth to a kid, is possibly only adopted from various > Indian legends and of course, the sources mentioned above. > > Text 24 > > *mleccha dharmasya vaktaram > satyavata paraayanam > iti srutva nrpa praaha > dharmah ko bhavato matah* > > " 'I expound of the religion of the *mlecchas *and in this > regard, I strictly adhere to what is Truth.' Hearing this the king > enquired, '(is it so?) what do you think of the religion then? " > > Texts 25 - 26 > > * shruto vaaca mahaaraaja > praapte satyasya samkshaye > nirmaaryaade mlechadeshe > masiiho 'ham samagatah* > > *iishaamasii ca dasyuunaa > praadurbhuutaa bhayankarii > taamaham mlecchataah praapya > masiihatva mupaagatah* > > " Hearing this questions of Shalivahana, that follower of Sun > said, 'O king, when the truth decays, , I, who is called Masiaha, went to > this country of degraded people where there are no rules and regulations. > Finding that fearful irreligious condition of the barbarians of this > Mleccha-Desha, I have taken to preaching'. " > > > Texts 27 - 29 > > *mlecchasa sthaapito dharmo > mayaa tacchrnu bhuupate > maanasam nirmalam krtva > malam dehe subhaasbham > > naiganam apamasthaya > japeta nirmalam param > nyayena satyavacasaa > manasyai kena manavah > > dhyayena pujayedisham > suurya-mandala-samsthitam > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- > athaa suuryacalah sada* > > " Please hear, Oh king, which religious principles I have > established among the *mlecchas*. The living entity is subject to good and > bad contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking recourse of proper > conduct and performance of *japa *[meditation on the chanting of the holy > names of God]. By chanting the holy names one attains the highest purity. > The God exists in Sun. Thus by following rules, speaking truthful words, by > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of Manu, one should worship > that immovable Lord'. " > > > That the person who the king met was a worshipper of Sun and it is well > known that sun worship was prevalent during 1st c CE. (cf > *http://www.kashmirsentinel.com/maya1999/4.6.html) > > <http://www.kashmirsentinel.com/maya1999/4.6.html>* > > Bible does not preach sun worship any where. > ** > > Text 30 > > Text 30 > > *isha muurtirt-dradi praptaa > nityashuddha sivamkari > ishamasihah iti ca > mama nama pratishthitam* > > " Having placed the eternally pure and auspicious form of the > Supreme Lord in my heart, O protector of the earth planet, I preached these > principles through the *mlecchas' *own faith and thus my name became > 'isha-masiha' ( who preached about Isha, the God). " > > Text 31 > > *iti shrutra sa bhuupale > natraa tam mlecchapujaam > sthaapayaamaasa tam tutra > mlecchasthaane hi daarune* > > " After hearing these words and paying obeisances to that person > who is worshiped by the wicked, the king humbly requested him to stay there > in the dreadful land of *mlecchas*. " > > Text 32 > > *svaraajyam praaptavaan raajaa > hayamedhan ciikirat > raajyam kriitvaa sa shashthyabdam > svarga lokamu paayayau* > > " King Shalivahana, after leaving his kingdom performed an > asvamedha yajna and after ruling for sixty years, went to heaven. Now please > hear what happened when the king went to (the heavenly region of) > svargaloka. " > > > From the above, it is clear that text 22-31 are inserted later. B V Giri and > Stephen Knapp conclude that this story is not authentic. In any case, the > story talks of a Sun worhsipper from India, who has preached in the Mleccha > desha and not the Jesus christ who is described in Bible. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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