Bhava Vichaar (Quote from Jatakaadesha Marga)

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Dear All,The said quote as given by Neelam ji -

Lagneshjanmeshwarbhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvashyavanshkeshu,Tadrashijaatashch phalanti bhavastdiyaneechochhgrahodbhava va?.(12)

 

Full of mistakes! so let us refer to the quote as given in the book by Gopesh Kumar Ojha (after word breaking) [Ref. to Page number 180] [url: http://www.vedamu.org/Vedas/Jyotisa/Jaatakaadesa%20%20Marg/JaatakaadesaMarg.asp ]â€"

 

Lagnesa janmeswara bhava-nadha, yeshu sthita bheshvadhavamsakeshu

Tad-rasi jatascha phalanti bhava-(s)tadeeya neechochcha grihotbhava va

Even this quote seems to be wrong. Again spelling mistake? I need to check this quote as given by Somayaji (the author of Jatakadesa Marga) and as translated by some good Kerala astrologer. I will do it tomorrow. Note: I have noticed that a usual mistake done by astrologers is to refer to this text as 'Jataka Desa Marga' without knowing the meaning of the word. The actual name of the book is "Jataka Adesha Marga"; Jataka = Natal Horoscope; Adesha = Speak/Tell; Marga =Path. Thus the word 'Jataka Adesha Marga" means "The Path for speaking about Natal horoscope" or "The guidelines for prediction based on Natal Horoscope". Let us use these simple and straight Sanskrit words with understanding. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your mail. This is the whole purpose of the exercise. To get> to the truth by knowing the correct quotes, with their correct meanings and> more importantly correct application.> > Regards> Neelam> > 2008/11/6 Sreenadh sreesog > > Dear Neelam ji,> > I don't remember exactly this quote from Jatakadesha Marga. But for> > sure I know two things -> > 1) The quote you provided is full of mistakes (It is not proper> > Sanskrit). I will check the text and quote the sloka without mistake as> > given in the text.> > 2) The meaning you provided is possibly wrong. (It is not the> > way Keralites astrologers approach/use astrology)> > More on this tomorrow.> > Note: Let us get the proper quote and proper meaning before arguing too> > much about it.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > This is a shloka is from Jatak Deshmarg (Bhava-vichar adhyaaya).> > >> > > Lagneshjanmeshwarbhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvashyavanshkeshu,> > > Tadrashijaatashch phalanti bhavastdiyaneechochhgrahodbhava va?.(12)> > >> > > I am giving below an explanation given in the Hindi version by Gopesh> > Kumar> > > Ojha.> > >> > > See the janam rashi and navamsha rashi taken by Lagnesh, Chandresh and> > > Bhavesh (of the bhava to be considered). The native will get the results> > of> > > these houses or the results of their houses of exaltation and> > debilitation> > > will be obtained.> > >> > > He quotes an example, suppose Leo is the lagna and it is the MD of Sun.> > > Sun's exaltation rashi Aries is in 9H and debilitation is in 3H in tula.> > > According to this shloka, in this dasha the native will get good results> > of> > > 9H and inauspicious results of 3H.> > > Similarly, if the Leo native gets a dasha of Moon, he will get good> > results> > > of 10H (Taurus) and inauspicious results for 4H which is scorpio.> > > *I** invite and request learned members to share their views on this> > shloka.> > > *> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > >>

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Dear Sreenadhji,

 

Thank you very much for the online reference. I would have never gotr

this verse so easily. I don't think there is anything wrong in the

verse or in what Neelamji wrote. Except the second line could read

as " bhavastadreeya " instead of " bhavastadeeya "

 

I am reproducing the verse in engish here

 

 

// Lagneshajanmeshwarabhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvathavanshakeshu

 

splitup version:

Lagnesha janmeshwara bhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshu(bha+eshu ,

meaning in a rashi) athava anshakeshu (meaning in a navamsa)

 

Tadrashijatashcha phalanti bhavastadreeyaneechocchagruhodbhava va

 

splitup version

Tad rashi jatah cha phalanti bhavaha tat triya neecha uccha grihot

bhava va //

 

the author has explained very well in hindi on page 181, taking an

example of leo lagna. In short, what I understood is as follows:

 

Considering

1. Lagna Lord

2. Rashi lord

3. Lord of the House of concern

 

For interpreting a natal chart, the results will be based on the

position of Rashi or Navamsa signs of these three lords. Similarly,

the results would also depend on the debilitation and the exaltation

signs of these three lords.

 

I can give an example, a native I know is makara lagna, has saturn in

third- his saturn dasa was excellent as regards his career but he was

away from family and had little happiness from family life

(saturn exalted in tula and debilitated in omesha). Interstingly, my

Guru Sunil Nairji has mentioned this to me several months ago. The

original translation by kerala astrologer would be of great interest.

 

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

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Dear Bhagavati ji,Good to see you back. And thanks for sharing your views on this.I found this shloka having a different interpretation than we normally use for bhavaphal. That is why I put it to scrutiny before the learned members of the forum.

It will be nice if we can reach some conclusion regarding the usage of this dictum. I am sure Sunil ji can give his views on this.The word that you pointed as wrong is clearly bhavastadeeya in the version that I have, and not bhavastadreeya. This is 2004 Hindi Edition from Motilal Banarsidas.

Taking the last line again:

Tadrashijatashcha phalanti bhavastadreeyaneechocchagruhodbhava vaThe usage of VA is not very clear in this.

Normally we would go by the lordship. A planet will give the results of his lordship in his dashas and the antars. That is why we say 9th lords dasha or 10th lords dasha... etc. Also, parashara says that a planet will give results of its mooltrikona sign. Here the author has not touched the planets own/mooltrikona signs. He stresses only on placement and oocha/neecha signs and the houses it obtains in rashi and navamsh.

I have tried to apply it several times, but we need to find a consistent way of applying it. Taking the example given by you, Saturn's MD is a long one. What about the results of Antars and pratyantars. Also we need to bring in Janmeshwara also into the scheme. Here lagnesh and bhavesh are the same, otherwise we have too many factors to work on.

I guess there is some rider to the dictum. We cannot apply is across the board with ease. It could be connected with transits. Whenever dashanaths are transiting their neech/ooch rashis, there will be bhavaphal of those houses.

Let us take an example nd elaborate.RegardsNeelam2008/11/7 bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

Thank you very much for the online reference. I would have never gotr

this verse so easily. I don't think there is anything wrong in the

verse or in what Neelamji wrote. Except the second line could read

as " bhavastadreeya " instead of " bhavastadeeya "

 

I am reproducing the verse in engish here

 

// Lagneshajanmeshwarabhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvathavanshakeshu

 

splitup version:

Lagnesha janmeshwara bhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshu(bha+eshu ,

meaning in a rashi) athava anshakeshu (meaning in a navamsa)

 

Tadrashijatashcha phalanti bhavastadreeyaneechocchagruhodbhava va

 

splitup version

Tad rashi jatah cha phalanti bhavaha tat triya neecha uccha grihot

bhava va //

 

the author has explained very well in hindi on page 181, taking an

example of leo lagna. In short, what I understood is as follows:

 

Considering

1. Lagna Lord

2. Rashi lord

3. Lord of the House of concern

 

For interpreting a natal chart, the results will be based on the

position of Rashi or Navamsa signs of these three lords. Similarly,

the results would also depend on the debilitation and the exaltation

signs of these three lords.

 

I can give an example, a native I know is makara lagna, has saturn in

third- his saturn dasa was excellent as regards his career but he was

away from family and had little happiness from family life

(saturn exalted in tula and debilitated in omesha). Interstingly, my

Guru Sunil Nairji has mentioned this to me several months ago. The

original translation by kerala astrologer would be of great interest.

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

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Namaste Ms Bhagavathi ji,

 

Yes, for Capricon Lagna, Saturn in Pisces, gives good lift to

career..... for it is 6H from 10H, showing the competitive spirit,

while is natural 3H for the Capricon sign, again showing hardwork.....

surely any on rising on one front, would be losing on the other....

being the 5H & 6H from 9H i.e. his father, must have also made good

progress.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Neelamji,

 

True. We have to analyze with some examples to see the practical

application of any dictum.

 

//The word that you pointed as wrong is clearly bhavastadeeya in the

version that I have, and not bhavastadreeya. This is 2004 Hindi

Edition from Motilal Banarsidas //

 

I do not mean to say the word is wrong. I am unable to split the word

bhavastadeeya in the light of the translation by Ojhaji. He has said

that " ya in teenon grahon - lagnesh janmeshwar, bhavanath ki jo ucch

rashiyan hai ya neech rashiyan hai- unka phal hoga " . Hence, I thought

the word could be " bhavastadreeya " , which would then split into

bhavaha tat triya implying those three houses.

 

// Taking the last line again:

Tadrashijatashcha phalanti bhavastadreeyaneechocchagruhodbhava va

The usage of VA is not very clear in this.//

 

" Va " in sanskrit is purely a grammatical expression, an alternative

conjunction. Generally, it means " or " but would depend on the

position in a sentence. A sentence never begins with " va "

 

 

Another chart, I can think of - an old lady started her sun dasa,

simha lagna native, sun with mercury in virgo. As per the dictum, 9th

house matters should flourish and third house matters should show

struggles. This lady lost her husband three months after the onset of

Sun dasa, but she did have lot of riches and wealth, foreign trips

becuase of her sons. Her moon is in eighth house (in pisces), so from

moon sun is debilitated in 8th house(? mangalya sthana) and exalted

in second house (? wealth). I do not remember the navamsa position of

this chart. Yes, you are right we need more examples

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

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Dear Bhagavati ji and All,

 

There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the right word if he

has the original.

If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we need to balance

all the other factors of navamsha, etc.

Let us take a case of a male native born on

4.12.1958/14.48/Delhi.

He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in

7H.He had a major event in his life in his

JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.(We are not looking at the timing of the event).

Can we see the event by the application of

this particular principle only to the natal chart.

I repeat the dictum here:

//See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are

placed in natal chart and navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these.

In its dasha, the planet will give the results of the house where it is placed

and good results of house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its

house of debilitation.//

(I hope we are allowed to moderate the

results with lagnesh and chandresh and navamsha strengths)

I request anyone interested to try this

exercise. At least we'll know how this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the

correct result or not.

Regards

Neelam

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Dear Neelam ji,

You have quoted the sloka but have not given ch and sl reference.

The brief analysis is as under:

1. AK-Jupiter and AMK -Mars on same degree , thus resulting in Char Karka replacement.

This is an indication of change in professional life.

2. Jupiter is the dispositer of 6HL and 10HL.

3 JUPITER IS IN 10TH HOUSE FROM Lagna pada and is in Taurus Navamsa which is on

10H from Moon in d-1 chart

4. AK-Jupiter is in navamsa Lagna ,is a indication of increase in financial prosperity Jupiter/Jupiter will give the result according to its placement in its own Sub period.

5. Jupiter is placed in 2H in D-10 chart.

 

6 In D-4 chart Jupiter is placed in Cancer in 4H.

All the above points indicate change in profession with financial gains.If we go according to sloka quoted

by you , this indicate a shift to better residence.

REGARDS,

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2008 9:29:25 PMRe: Re: Bhava Vichaar (Quote from Jatakaadesha Marga)

 

 

Dear Bhagavati ji and All,There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the right word if he has the original. If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we need to balance all the other factors of navamsha, etc.

Let us take a case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14. 48/Delhi.

He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in 7H.He had a major event in his life in his JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.(We are not looking at the timing of the event).

Can we see the event by the application of this particular principle only to the natal chart.

I repeat the dictum here:

//See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are placed in natal chart and navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these. In its dasha, the planet will give the results of the house where it is placed and good results of house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its house of debilitation. //

(I hope we are allowed to moderate the results with lagnesh and chandresh and navamsha strengths)

I request anyone interested to try this exercise. At least we'll know how this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the correct result or not.

RegardsNeelam

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Dear Goel ji,The reference was given in another previous message.It is the 12th shloka in dasvan adhyaya, Bhav vichar prakran from Jataka desh marg.We were trying to see the application of this shloka exclusively on the chart.

RegardsNeelam2008/11/7 Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

You have quoted the sloka but have not given ch and sl reference.

The brief analysis is as under:

1. AK-Jupiter and AMK -Mars on same degree , thus resulting in Char Karka replacement.

This is an indication of change in professional life.

2. Jupiter is the dispositer of 6HL and 10HL.

3 JUPITER IS IN 10TH HOUSE FROM Lagna pada and is in Taurus Navamsa which is on

10H from Moon in d-1 chart

4. AK-Jupiter is in navamsa Lagna ,is a indication of increase in financial prosperity Jupiter/Jupiter will give the result according to its placement in its own Sub period.

5. Jupiter is placed in 2H in D-10 chart.

 

6 In D-4 chart Jupiter is placed in Cancer in 4H.

All the above points indicate change in profession with financial gains.If we go according to sloka quoted

by you , this indicate a shift to better residence.

REGARDS,

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Friday, 7 November, 2008 9:29:25 PMRe: Re: Bhava Vichaar (Quote from Jatakaadesha Marga)

 

 

 

Dear Bhagavati ji and All,There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the right word if he has the original. If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we need to balance all the other factors of navamsha, etc.

Let us take a case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14. 48/Delhi.

He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in 7H.He had a major event in his life in his JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.(We are not looking at the timing of the event).

Can we see the event by the application of this particular principle only to the natal chart.

I repeat the dictum here:

//See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are placed in natal chart and navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these. In its dasha, the planet will give the results of the house where it is placed and good results of house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its house of debilitation. //

(I hope we are allowed to moderate the results with lagnesh and chandresh and navamsha strengths)

I request anyone interested to try this exercise. At least we'll know how this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the correct result or not.

RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

According to the shloka, during the Jup/Jup dasha the significations

of the 10th house should suffer where as the significations of the

4th house should stand to gain.

 

I have come across the following in another classic on dasha vichar

for Jup/jup

 

Sthachyutim, vidhesham prante, swa-bandhujan hanim

Putra dara viyogashcha , dhan dhanyarth hani kritam

 

Loss of position/post , leaving for abroad, loss of some one dear,

separation from the wife and son, loss of wealth.

 

In case I were not to go by the shloka, then I would have said that

there could be a possibility of this man becoming a father of a son

in the year 2006.

 

Regards,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhagavati ji and All,

>

> There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the

right word if

> he has the original.

> If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we

need to

> balance all the other factors of navamsha, etc.

>

> Let us take a case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14.48/Delhi.

>

> He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in 7H.

> He had a major event in his life in his JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.(We

are not

> looking at the timing of the event).

>

> *Can we see the event by the application of this particular

principle only

> to the natal chart. *

>

> I repeat the dictum here:

>

> //See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are placed in natal chart

and

> navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these. In its dasha,

the planet

> will give the results of the house where it is placed and good

results of

> house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its house of

> debilitation.//

>

> (I hope we are allowed to moderate the results with lagnesh and

chandresh

> and navamsha strengths)

>

> I request anyone interested to try this exercise. At least we'll

know how

> this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the

correct

> result or not.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

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i see loss of life partner.........

On 07/11/2008, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,According to the shloka, during the Jup/Jup dasha the significations of the 10th house should suffer where as the significations of the 4th house should stand to gain.I have come across the following in another classic on dasha vichar

for Jup/jupSthachyutim, vidhesham prante, swa-bandhujan hanimPutra dara viyogashcha , dhan dhanyarth hani kritamLoss of position/post , leaving for abroad, loss of some one dear, separation from the wife and son, loss of wealth.

In case I were not to go by the shloka, then I would have said that there could be a possibility of this man becoming a father of a son in the year 2006.Regards,S P Khurana , " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhagavati ji and All,> > There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the right word if

> he has the original.> If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we need to> balance all the other factors of navamsha, etc.> > Let us take a case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14.48/Delhi.

> > He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in 7H.> He had a major event in his life in his JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.(We are not> looking at the timing of the event).> > *Can we see the event by the application of this particular

principle only> to the natal chart. *> > I repeat the dictum here:> > //See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are placed in natal chart and> navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these. In its dasha,

the planet> will give the results of the house where it is placed and good results of> house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its house of> debilitation.//> > (I hope we are allowed to moderate the results with lagnesh and

chandresh> and navamsha strengths)> > I request anyone interested to try this exercise. At least we'll know how> this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the correct

> result or not.> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Satpal ji,Thank you for sharing your views. I am sure we all will learn a lot from this.The author has also talked about lagnesh and chandresh as well as navamsha positions along with this.Let us see what others have to say and how they apply the shloka.

RegardsNeelam2008/11/7 khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

 

According to the shloka, during the Jup/Jup dasha the significations

of the 10th house should suffer where as the significations of the

4th house should stand to gain.

 

I have come across the following in another classic on dasha vichar

for Jup/jup

 

Sthachyutim, vidhesham prante, swa-bandhujan hanim

Putra dara viyogashcha , dhan dhanyarth hani kritam

 

Loss of position/post , leaving for abroad, loss of some one dear,

separation from the wife and son, loss of wealth.

 

In case I were not to go by the shloka, then I would have said that

there could be a possibility of this man becoming a father of a son

in the year 2006.

 

Regards,

 

S P Khurana

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhagavati ji and All,

>

> There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the

right word if

> he has the original.

> If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we

need to

> balance all the other factors of navamsha, etc.

>

> Let us take a case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14.48/Delhi.

>

> He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in 7H.

> He had a major event in his life in his JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.(We

are not

> looking at the timing of the event).

>

> *Can we see the event by the application of this particular

principle only

> to the natal chart. *

>

> I repeat the dictum here:

>

> //See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are placed in natal chart

and

> navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these. In its dasha,

the planet

> will give the results of the house where it is placed and good

results of

> house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its house of

> debilitation.//

>

> (I hope we are allowed to moderate the results with lagnesh and

chandresh

> and navamsha strengths)

>

> I request anyone interested to try this exercise. At least we'll

know how

> this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the

correct

> result or not.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

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Dear Neelamji,

 

If the native runs dasa of lagna lord then maybe we can consider the

dictum for lagnesh, if he runs the dasa of moon's lord, then we can

apply the rule for chandresh. Here we are considering his Jup/Jup

dasha, hence the bhava in question is tula. Lord of Tula Venus gets

exalted in his 12th house and is debilitated in his 6th house. Venus

is in his 8th house and occupies kumbha amsa, 10th position (is

navamsa lagna is correct). So in my opinion the native could have had

troubles related to 6th house (diseases, courts, maternal uncles to

name a few) and gains related to 12th house - did he become

spiritual, enjoy lot of pleasures or exalted 12th house could mean

troubles due to prisons, hospitals, excessive expenditure due to

these,losses.

 

If I use moon lagna for the native, venus is exalted in his 8th house

and debilitated in his 2nd house- so the even should have been

negative, somehow lot of financial drain was possible.

 

 

From janma lagna, I am wondering, how to apply this dictum, dusthana

exaltation is not good, so his 12th house effects could have given

negative effects, rather than 6th house.

 

In rasi tulya navamsa, venus is placed 11th, he might have had 8th

house and 11th house effects also- accidents, some problems in gains.

In general, the native during this period or the said event was not

favorable.

 

(This is only from trying to undersatnd and apply the dictum. I have

not analyzed or looked into any other aspect. I will undersatnd

better, when I hear the answer)

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Satpal ji,

>

> Thank you for sharing your views. I am sure we all will learn a lot

from

> this.

> The author has also talked about lagnesh and chandresh as well as

navamsha

> positions along with this.

> Let us see what others have to say and how they apply the shloka.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

> 2008/11/7 khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

>

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> >

> > According to the shloka, during the Jup/Jup dasha the

significations

> > of the 10th house should suffer where as the significations of the

> > 4th house should stand to gain.

> >

> > I have come across the following in another classic on dasha

vichar

> > for Jup/jup

> >

> > Sthachyutim, vidhesham prante, swa-bandhujan hanim

> > Putra dara viyogashcha , dhan dhanyarth hani kritam

> >

> > Loss of position/post , leaving for abroad, loss of some one dear,

> > separation from the wife and son, loss of wealth.

> >

> > In case I were not to go by the shloka, then I would have said

that

> > there could be a possibility of this man becoming a father of a

son

> > in the year 2006.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> > --- In

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> > " neelam gupta "

> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhagavati ji and All,

> > >

> > > There could be a typo in the book, or somebody can give us the

> > right word if

> > > he has the original.

> > > If we take VA as 'OR' then an either/or situation exists and we

> > need to

> > > balance all the other factors of navamsha, etc.

> > >

> > > Let us take a case of a male native born on

4.12.1958/14.48/Delhi.

> > >

> > > He is Aries lagna with Jupiter in libra in 7H.

> > > He had a major event in his life in his JUP-JUP dasha in 2006.

(We

> > are not

> > > looking at the timing of the event).

> > >

> > > *Can we see the event by the application of this particular

> > principle only

> > > to the natal chart. *

> > >

> > > I repeat the dictum here:

> > >

> > > //See where lagnesh, raashish and bhavesh are placed in natal

chart

> > and

> > > navamsh. Note the neecha and oocha rashis of these. In its

dasha,

> > the planet

> > > will give the results of the house where it is placed and good

> > results of

> > > house of its exaltation and inauspicious results of its house of

> > > debilitation.//

> > >

> > > (I hope we are allowed to moderate the results with lagnesh and

> > chandresh

> > > and navamsha strengths)

> > >

> > > I request anyone interested to try this exercise. At least we'll

> > know how

> > > this dictum can be applied, if at all, and whether we get to the

> > correct

> > > result or not.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear All, It is today that, I got time to look back at this quote. Neelam ji states - // Lagneshjanmeshwarbhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvashyavanshkeshu, Tadrashijaatashch phalanti bhavastdiyaneechochhgrahodbhava va. (12)[see the janam rashi and navamsha rashi taken by Lagnesh, Chandresh and Bhavesh (of the bhava to be considered). The native will get the results of these houses or the results of their houses of exaltation and debilitation will be obtained]// As mentioned in my previous mail, both the quote and meaning given by her is totally wrong and misleading. Let us look at the correct quote, and correct meaning so us to understand this quote better and apply it.

Lagnesa janmeswara bhava-nadha, yeshu sthita bheshvadhavamsakeshu

Tad-rasi jatascha bhavanti bhava-(s)tadeeya neechochcha grihotbhava va (Jatakadesha; Bhavabhaladhyaya; Sloka -12)[Form Lagna or Moon, ever the house lord is placed the results (that should be ascribed to that house) originates from there, else results originated from the NavamsaKa of that house lord, else from the house (under consideration) itself, or from exaltation or debilitation signs of that house lord] I will break-up the above sloka and clarify the meaning once again. The above quote provides a guideline that is applicable everywhere. It tells us how the results related to a particular house (1, 2, 3 4 etc) should be derived. First the sloka tells us that we should consider the houses either fro Lagna or Moon. Then it gives us 4 points to consider-1) Bhava-nadha yeshu bheshu sthita tad bhava bhavanti = Results originates from the house/sign where the house lord (lord of the house under consideration) is placed OR

2) Bhava-nadha yeshu navasakeshu sthita tad bhava bhavanti = Results originates from the Navamsaka sign of the house lord. OR

3) Tad Rasi jata bhava bhavanti = Results originate from the house under consideration itself. OR

4) Bhava-nadhasya neechochcha grihotbhava bhava bhavanti = Result originate from the exaltation or debilitation sign of the house lord. The quote and its meaning is pretty clear. Let me clarify it with an example. Even though the above sloka tells us to consider houses both from Lagna and Moon, for the sake of simplicity, I will consider houses from Lagna alone. Eg: For Cancer lagna the 2nd lord Sun is placed in 9th degree of Aries sign (i.e. in 10th house). Here the Navamsaka sign of Sun is Gemini (since Sun is in the 3rd Navamsa of Aries)

Think that we want to derive the results for the 2nd house. As per the above sloka –

1) Results can originate from sign/house where the 2nd house lord Sun is placed, i.e. from Aries. : Thus we can derive an example result such as the native will like hot vegetarian food. (A result derived from Aries sign itself)

2) Results can originate from Navamsaka sign of house lord: Here the Navamsaka sign of the 2nd house lord Sun is Gemini, the 12th house from Cancer. Thus we may derive the result, the native can have some left eye (12th house) related problems during some antara or paryantara of Sun (since it is Navamsaka, the intensity of the result is reduced. Navamsaka indicate sookshma phala)

3) Results can originate from the house/sign under consideration itself: Here the house/sign under consideration is 2nd house/Leo sign. Thus we may derive the result, the native may use strong and powerful words, that could hurt. (since Sun is a malefic planet, that owns 2nd house)

4) Results can originate from the exaltation or debilitation sign of the house lord: Here the exaltation sign/house of Sun (the 2nd lord) is Aries, the 10th hose, and the debilitation sign/house is Leo the 4th house. Since the 2nd lord is exalted in 10th house, the native will have visible wealth well known to the public (10th house). But very less wealth would be added to his own wealth (2nd house) from his mother's property (4th house), since the 2nd lord Sun is debilitated in 4th house.

As we all know, this kind of result derivation technique is basic to the systematic use of the astrological predictive system. The above Jatakadesha sloka puts it in paper in a clear way. It is worthy sloka applicable everywhere. Hope this mail clarifies the meaning and application of the above quote.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:

 

Dear All,The said quote as given by Neelam ji -

Lagneshjanmeshwarbhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvashyavanshkeshu,Tadrashijaatashch phalanti bhavastdiyaneechochhgrahodbhava va?.(12)

 

Full of mistakes! so let us refer to the quote as given in the book by Gopesh Kumar Ojha (after word breaking) [Ref. to Page number 180] [url: http://www.vedamu.org/Vedas/Jyotisa/Jaatakaadesa%20%20Marg/JaatakaadesaMarg.asp ]â€"

 

Lagnesa janmeswara bhava-nadha, yeshu sthita bheshvadhavamsakeshu

Tad-rasi jatascha phalanti bhava-(s)tadeeya neechochcha grihotbhava va

Even this quote seems to be wrong. Again spelling mistake? I need to check this quote as given by Somayaji (the author of Jatakadesa Marga) and as translated by some good Kerala astrologer. I will do it tomorrow. Note: I have noticed that a usual mistake done by astrologers is to refer to this text as 'Jataka Desa Marga' without knowing the meaning of the word. The actual name of the book is "Jataka Adesha Marga"; Jataka = Natal Horoscope; Adesha = Speak/Tell; Marga =Path. Thus the word 'Jataka Adesha Marga" means "The Path for speaking about Natal horoscope" or "The guidelines for prediction based on Natal Horoscope". Let us use these simple and straight Sanskrit words with understanding. Love and regards,Sreenadh> > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Thank you for your mail. This is the whole purpose of the exercise. To> get> > to the truth by knowing the correct quotes, with their correct> meanings and> > more importantly correct application.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> > 2008/11/6 Sreenadh sreesog@> >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > I don't remember exactly this quote from Jatakadesha Marga. But for> > > sure I know two things -> > > 1) The quote you provided is full of mistakes (It is not proper> > > Sanskrit). I will check the text and quote the sloka without mistake> as> > > given in the text.> > > 2) The meaning you provided is possibly wrong. (It is not the> > > way Keralites astrologers approach/use astrology)> > > More on this tomorrow.> > > Note: Let us get the proper quote and proper meaning before arguing> too> > > much about it.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > This is a shloka is from Jatak Deshmarg (Bhava-vichar adhyaaya).> > > >> > > > Lagneshjanmeshwarbhavanatha yeshu sthita bheshvashyavanshkeshu,> > > > Tadrashijaatashch phalanti bhavastdiyaneechochhgrahodbhava> va?.(12)> > > >> > > > I am giving below an explanation given in the Hindi version by> Gopesh> > > Kumar> > > > Ojha.> > > >> > > > See the janam rashi and navamsha rashi taken by Lagnesh, Chandresh> and> > > > Bhavesh (of the bhava to be considered). The native will get the> results> > > of> > > > these houses or the results of their houses of exaltation and> > > debilitation> > > > will be obtained.> > > >> > > > He quotes an example, suppose Leo is the lagna and it is the MD of> Sun.> > > > Sun's exaltation rashi Aries is in 9H and debilitation is in 3H in> tula.> > > > According to this shloka, in this dasha the native will get good> results> > > of> > > > 9H and inauspicious results of 3H.> > > > Similarly, if the Leo native gets a dasha of Moon, he will get> good> > > results> > > > of 10H (Taurus) and inauspicious results for 4H which is scorpio.> > > > *I** invite and request learned members to share their views on> this> > > shloka.> > > > *> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thank you for your clarification of the

shloka.

You've almost made me the culprit of giving a

wrong quote and misleading information!! Whereas this was an endeavour to take

our understanding forward.

I had clearly stated that the Shloka and

its meaning, both are from the Hindi version of Jatakadeshmarg by Gopal Kumar

Ojha. I have not contributed anything to it. Just quoted verbatim, because I

didn't understand it properly with my little understanding and thought that learned

and knowledgeable members of the forum would give a better deal with this.

What you say makes sense, but it does not

tally with the explanation given in this text.

I quote the exact Hindi words.

//Yeh dekhiye ki (1) lagnesh kis rashi

athva navamsh mein hai (2) Janmeshwar janmakaalin chandrama kis rashi athva

navamsh mein hai (3) jis bhav ka vichaar kar rahe hain, us bhav ka nath kis

rashi aur navamsh mein hai. Yeh rashiyan jis bhav mein hain un rashiyon ka phal

hoga ya in teenon grahon – lagnesh, janmeshwar, bhavnath ki jo uchch rashiyaan

hain ya neech rashiyan hain unka phal hoga.//

The chart that I have given as example can

throw a great deal of light on this dictum if understood properly. I would appreciate

if you can apply your understanding of this dictum on this chart and try to delineate

the event.

Regards

Neelam

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Dear Neelam ji, //> I had clearly stated that the Shloka and its meaning, both are from the> Hindi version of Jatakadeshmarg by Gopal Kumar Ojha. I have not contributed> anything to it. Just quoted verbatim, because I didn't understand it// OK. Then I am sorry, and let us blame Ojha only for the erroneous translation. :)//What you say makes sense, but it does not

tally with the explanation given in this text.// I am happy to know that what I say makes sense. Actually there is nothing to say as my contribution regarding that sloka, because many good kerala scholars like "Kanippayyur" had stated the same clearly in his vyakhya of Jatakadesa. Anyway I am not responsible for the mistakes Ojha makes, and don't want to waste my energy on trying to explain the wrong translation and explanation of Ojha ji. //> The chart that I have given as example can throw a great deal of light on> this dictum if understood properly. I would appreciate if you can apply your> understanding of this dictum on this chart and try to delineate the event.// You are right in a way and wrong in another in asking this. Because - The above quote is a general quote that can be applied to ANY HOUSE. Applying that quote in a horoscope means - applying it in every house in every sense possible, which is nothing but the full reading of the whole horoscope! As you could clearly imagine I don't want to do it. So please take only some house of the horoscope alone and ask me to do it. Also try to understand that quote and its application in a better way. I will explain why - * The quote simply tells us that from where the results will originate/manifest. Of course the HL indicate the results related to a house. The Planet HL is like a mirror through which the results originated from numerous signs, to which the HL is connected, will come through. Which are these signs? A Planet is connected to the Sign which it owns, the sign where its Navamsaka falls, the sign of its exaltation, the sign of its debilitation. It is just natural that the results that originates from all these signs will get manifested through the planet (here the HL). Or in other words it can be said that, "the House will manifest (bhava bhavanti)" by taking these paths; through these signs. * There is another important point to know - The 4 points the quote mentions has more connections than it shows superficially. 1) The result will manifest through the sign/House (under consideration): This also guides us to consider all the conjunctions and aspects the House have. 2) The result will manifest through the sign/house where the HL is placed: This also guides us to consider all the conjunctions and aspects the House Lord have. 3) The result will manifest through the sign/house where the HL Navamsaka falls: This also guides us to consider all the conjunctions the HL have in Navamsaka. 4) The result will manifest through the sign/house where the HL is exalted or debilitated: This also guides us to consider the other houses the HL owns and the special connections such as Moola Trikona, Nakshatra lordship etc of the HL as well. (as required) * The third and most important point to remember is that what ever correlations we may get - "we should connect them to the house under consideration". Anything that is not and cannot be connected to the house under consideration should be left out (while deriving results for that house). Thus the sloka is nothing but a detailed guideline on "How to derive results related to a house", and one of the basic guidelines for astrological result derivation from a natal chart. Note: Let us continue the discussion on this sloka. This sloka and its application related to various houses is truly worth discussing. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your clarification of the shloka.> > You've almost made me the culprit of giving a wrong quote and misleading> information!! Whereas this was an endeavour to take our understanding> forward.> > I had clearly stated that the Shloka and its meaning, both are from the> Hindi version of Jatakadeshmarg by Gopal Kumar Ojha. I have not contributed> anything to it. Just quoted verbatim, because I didn't understand it> properly with my little understanding and thought that learned and> knowledgeable members of the forum would give a better deal with this.> > What you say makes sense, but it does not tally with the explanation given> in this text.> > I quote the exact Hindi words.> > //Yeh dekhiye ki (1) lagnesh kis rashi athva navamsh mein hai (2) Janmeshwar> janmakaalin chandrama kis rashi athva navamsh mein hai (3) jis bhav ka> vichaar kar rahe hain, us bhav ka nath kis rashi aur navamsh mein hai. Yeh> rashiyan jis bhav mein hain un rashiyon ka phal hoga ya in teenon grahon –> lagnesh, janmeshwar, bhavnath ki jo uchch rashiyaan hain ya neech rashiyan> hain unka phal hoga.//> > The chart that I have given as example can throw a great deal of light on> this dictum if understood properly. I would appreciate if you can apply your> understanding of this dictum on this chart and try to delineate the event.> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear All, Since we have no further comments on this thread, let us conclude it. Just to refresh, this was about the shloka from Jatakadeshmarg.Lagnesa janmeswara bhava-nadha, yeshu sthita bheshvadhavamsakeshu

Tad-rasi jatascha bhavanti bhava-(s)tadeeya neechochcha grihotbhava va (Jatakadesha; Bhavabhaladhyaya; Sloka -12)Under discussion was the case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14.48/Delhi.

The event was 'Sudden Death of natives Father, while the was away on a pilgrimage to Vaishno Devi'Jup-jup dasha gave the results of 9H (father) and 12H loss to self.

As per shloka,The deb and exalted rashis of dashanath Jup fall in 8H and 2H of father respectively.For lagnesh mars, deb rashi falls in 8H of father and exalted rashi is in 2H of father.Neech aspect of mars on 4H can be inauspicious for father's life and native's happiness.

Neech aspect of jup can be marak for father. But Jupiter's ooch rashi falls in 4H which should've given longevity father??Mars is aspecting the 4H and its neech rashi, so likely to be stronger as it also aspects Jupiter in 7H, making a sambandh.

We may conclude that the out of the houses thus activated, that which had the aspect and hence strnger, gave the result.This explanation could fit as per shloka. Otherwise problem related to father is visible.

I thank Bhagavati ji, Khurana ji, Goel ji and Sumit ji and others for contributing.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelamji,

 

// The deb and exalted rashis of dashanath Jup fall in 8H and 2H of

father respectively. For lagnesh mars, deb rashi falls in 8H of father

and exalted rashi is in 2H of father.//

 

Why do you take 8H and 2H for father? I always thought we take 9H for

father and maybe even 10H. Please reply

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

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Hare rama krishna

dear bhagavathi ji

 

Neelam ji has taken the houses frm 9th House of father which is dhanu rasi so jup will debilate in 2nd House (capricone ) and exalts in 8th H (cancer )

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Neelamji,> > // The deb and exalted rashis of dashanath Jup fall in 8H and 2H of > father respectively. For lagnesh mars, deb rashi falls in 8H of father > and exalted rashi is in 2H of father.//> > Why do you take 8H and 2H for father? I always thought we take 9H for > father and maybe even 10H. Please reply> > Regards,> > bhagavathi>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunilji,

 

Thank you for the clarification. So in simple words, Jupiter gets

debilitated in his 10th and exalted in his 4th. So as per the shloka,

10th house matters should suffer and 4th house matters should

flourish. 4th house is 8th to 9th, so father's life should have been

good, matters related to mother, whih is obviously father should be

good.

 

10th house sufferings- karma house, father's wealth, life is

suffering. Doing pitrukarma is seen from 10th house. So, can cause

father's death

 

To apply this verse, as it is, is not easy at all because

exaltation/debilitation points are always 1/7 axis. Mother's

happiness, atleast in India is only from father.If father is not

there, then motherly matters is also affected. If a native does

tremondous progress in career and at the same time loses his father,

how will we interpret this? If a native builds an expensive house in

his own country and then goes to live in a foreign country, how will

we interpret this?

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

 

 

In , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear bhagavathi ji

>

>

>

> Neelam ji has taken the houses frm 9th House of father which is

dhanu

> rasi so jup will debilate in 2nd House (capricone ) and exalts in

8th H

> (cancer )

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

> --- In

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

> <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelamji,

> >

> > // The deb and exalted rashis of dashanath Jup fall in 8H and 2H

of

> > father respectively. For lagnesh mars, deb rashi falls in 8H of

father

> > and exalted rashi is in 2H of father.//

> >

> > Why do you take 8H and 2H for father? I always thought we take 9H

for

> > father and maybe even 10H. Please reply

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > bhagavathi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear bhagavthi ji

we shud not apply any dictum verbatim

also 4th House deals with mother and own happiness ,properties and vehicles too .Jupiter is 16 yrs dasa ,

mothers happiness is ruled by 4th frm 4th House which is 7th and 4th frm karaka moon like this

if u see frm 9th House all kendra houses afflicted ,showing less anubhava ( exprnce ) and longitivity for father ,if u take 9th H has lagna ,then lagan of father ( body ) is afflicted showing less inherent power .

also frm karaka sun 2nd House is having sat and merc ( both r maraka frm 9th too ) and jup is 2nd lord who can cause this problems

now neelam ji dont giv exact date of demise of father .

so we hav to see chart as a whole than just seeing one dictum as even each houses can show many things here 10 th is also deals with marakatwa to father .so frm jupdasa onwards ny time as next sub is sat and next nxt is merc is bad for father only esp the chart also shows it

otherwise see alwys karaka also for each results .( method of 3 ) ,tht is why some one has good education need not hav properties ,some has properties and need not hav vehicles etc u can keep on searching and nalaysing various factors .

so frm 4th House --jup -this is exalted in lagna and debilated in 7th ( 7th is who ??)

frm 7th H ( 4th frm 4th H ) this rasis are debilated in 4th and exalts in 10th

again if we go further frm 7th House is u see wat it shows ??

so again what does indicates

sreenam cha chittam purushasya bhagyam ,is it ??

 

hope i explained it

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thank you for the clarification. So in simple words, Jupiter gets > debilitated in his 10th and exalted in his 4th. So as per the shloka, > 10th house matters should suffer and 4th house matters should > flourish. 4th house is 8th to 9th, so father's life should have been > good, matters related to mother, whih is obviously father should be > good. > > 10th house sufferings- karma house, father's wealth, life is > suffering. Doing pitrukarma is seen from 10th house. So, can cause > father's death> > To apply this verse, as it is, is not easy at all because > exaltation/debilitation points are always 1/7 axis. Mother's > happiness, atleast in India is only from father.If father is not > there, then motherly matters is also affected. If a native does > tremondous progress in career and at the same time loses his father, > how will we interpret this? If a native builds an expensive house in > his own country and then goes to live in a foreign country, how will > we interpret this?> > Regards,> > bhagavathi > > > In , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear bhagavathi ji> > > > > > > > Neelam ji has taken the houses frm 9th House of father which is > dhanu> > rasi so jup will debilate in 2nd House (capricone ) and exalts in > 8th H> > (cancer )> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > , "bhagavathi_hariharan"> > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > >> > > // The deb and exalted rashis of dashanath Jup fall in 8H and 2H > of> > > father respectively. For lagnesh mars, deb rashi falls in 8H of > father> > > and exalted rashi is in 2H of father.//> > >> > > Why do you take 8H and 2H for father? I always thought we take 9H > for> > > father and maybe even 10H. Please reply> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > bhagavathi> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

I feel that

Sloka 8 to 12 of this book ch -10 are inter linked to each other

and may be studied together for getting better understanding of

dicta explained in these slokas.

I am working on it and will revert.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sunday, 16 November, 2008 8:50:21 PMRe: Re: Bhava Vichaar (Quote from Jatakaadesha Marga)

 

Dear All, Since we have no further comments on this thread, let us conclude it. Just to refresh, this was about the shloka from Jatakadeshmarg.Lagnesa janmeswara bhava-nadha, yeshu sthita bheshvadhavamsakesh uTad-rasi jatascha bhavanti bhava-(s)tadeeya neechochcha grihotbhava va (Jatakadesha; Bhavabhaladhyaya; Sloka -12)Under discussion was the case of a male native born on 4.12.1958/14. 48/Delhi.The event was 'Sudden Death of natives Father, while the was away on a pilgrimage to Vaishno

Devi'Jup-jup dasha gave the results of 9H (father) and 12H loss to self.As per shloka,The deb and exalted rashis of dashanath Jup fall in 8H and 2H of father respectively.For lagnesh mars, deb rashi falls in 8H of father and exalted rashi is in 2H of father.Neech aspect of mars on 4H can be inauspicious for father's life and native's happiness.Neech aspect of jup can be marak for father. But Jupiter's ooch rashi falls in 4H which should've given longevity father??Mars is aspecting the 4H and its neech rashi, so likely to be stronger as it also aspects Jupiter in 7H, making a sambandh.We may conclude that the out of the houses thus activated, that which had the aspect and hence strnger, gave the result.This explanation could fit as per shloka. Otherwise problem related to father is visible.I thank Bhagavati ji, Khurana ji, Goel ji and Sumit ji and others for

contributing.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Goel ji,

 

Thanks. I'll be very useful. We'll appreciate.

 

Regards

Neelam