Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Prashant, ///it is nice to see a positive change in US history/// Unfortunately, although I do hope I'm wrong, I'm not so optimistic that Obama will bring about the 'positive change' America is hoping for. If my memory serves me some questioned the Capricorn chart when I first brought it up, saying that his oratory skills didn't reflect Ketu in 2nd. However, considering the influences on 2nd, it's not difficult to see why he has such ability. We need to remember that Ketu will act similar to Mars (Kuja Vad Ketu)... Mars, conjunct Rahu, aspects 2nd whilst his dispositor, and star lord, (Sun) aspects 2nd lord Saturn in lagna...etc. No doubt Obama is a powerful speaker. I also have no doubt that he's untruthful. Ketu in 2nd without benefic association suggests deviousness in regards to speech, and, no doubt, there has been ample evidence of this during the campaign in regards to his close association with known radicals...Ayers, Farrakhan, Rezko, khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, the Annenberg association, Acorn and so forth. He's lied without flinching when it comes to these associations (and other matters too numerous to mention here). I'm not passing judgement, just stating facts and verifying the influence of (this) Ketu in 2nd. Looking closer at 2nd house we see retrograde 2nd lord, dispositor of Ketu, occupying nakshatra of 8th lord Sun who aspects from 7th...Sun, as mentioned, disposits MA/RA combination, and combusts retrograde Mercury (significator of speech). 1st/2nd lord Saturn conjuncts retrograde/debilitated Jupiter. Jupiter, as we know, is the planet of morality, ethics, truthfulness, law, justice, politics etc.. When afflicted it signifies misjudgement, law suits and so forth. We were discussing only recently the effect of Mrityu Bhaga (fateful degree) which, according to classic treatises, can be a critical placement in regards to health problems (chronic illness), fateful tragedies etc.. Note, Mars is within 00:15 degrees from this fateful point. Obama's grandmother passed away the day before this election. This is verified with Ketu (maternal grandparent) transiting P/D lord Mercury in sign of bhukti lord Moon. Note, ME/SU occupy 4th from 4th (mother's mother). I do hope I haven't ruffled too many feathers with my interpretation of this chart, and (inadvertently) offended any Obama supporters...this is NOT my intention! Destiny is unfolding on the world stage and we are called to be witnesses. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar <jyotish-vidya >; Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:41 PM Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Members, it is nice to see a positive change in US history I had some observations made during June-Jul in Jyotish vidya forum on Obama's chart where the birth time discussions were going on finally a birth certificate was provided giving his TOB as 19.24 hrs even before this Wendy ji had suggested his Lagna can be Makara with his longish face and the time she worked was 19.11 hrs so not far from the recorded time. at that stage I felt with Sani in the 8th tho his Lagna, 4th from chandra and over Natal rahu aspecting Tula and at election time Kuja is in Tula with Sun and aflicted Kuja both by Sani and Ravi aspect Lagna so a physical attack, injury risk is likely by Neo Nazi's as early as June this did happen is this over Gur-Kuj-Suk saw both the attack on him a death in his family as Sukra is in Arudra and his elevations as 9th lord in the 10th is a good , sukra is in the 4th in D9, D10 as well Guru rahu starts from 28th Jan 09 to 24/6/11 rahu is in the 12th in D1 in ketu's star who is in the 6th house of conspiracies, intrigue, sabotage, enemies, natural disasters, sickness etc... and is 2nd to Dasa lord and Guru-rah are 6/8 between themselves so not a auspicious time either. Guru-rahu-rah runs from 28/1 to 9/6/09 can see some violence directed at him ** when he is a foreign tour the Magaha masa a Friday and rohini start whenever they happen to be in harmony is a physical risk for his well being, longevity too there ** is one close to this on Feb 5th 09 a slight miss by rohini falling on a Thursday I hope this period passes off peacefully the world has seen a lot of mess already and any instability to this no 1 economy can add more troubles to other parts of the world if America has cold rest of the world has pneumonia it was said we have seen this in the GEC now I hope this event will pass and his sani dasa [if he sees it ] will give him immense success, fame, statesmanship opportunities as Lagna lord in lagna with Guru will make a lot of path breaking ones for the down trodden African race and other weaker nations as sani represents them this is my small effort in studying Mundane subjects had been doing when time permitted, and a Sept 20th post in AIA forum on the possible next terror strike in India I had given Oct 30th and it did happen in Assam-Guawahathi as I had indicated but these r so insignificant as no one will use our data for preventing such crimes max we can do is reduce the damage, we can't alter destiny if the govts can use the help of this divine subject for welfare of humankind Best wishes prashant **pl note :** lines within this I won't share this in public forums I use BV Raman's Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear wendy, nice to see ur views on Obama, i had not kept in touch with the thread on Capricorn we we were discussing so I don't know if u added any views later on it just finding some time to catch up slowly on the subject Ketu in the 2nd is good for the gift of the GAB all salesman, conman do have it, rahu in 2nd is not good like what u indicated for ketu and any 2'8 axis time one partakes some food in a obsequies/death related scene be it friend, family etc. i aid positive change is for America as a nation to move away from the color codes to a united country and I doubt he will last his term we r not sure if the fund raising suspense be a liability later or will be immune under the office. a enquiry was made on how some select members with dubious address, names contributed repeatedly in large sums could be some from the Arab nations who wanted the Republicans out or any underworld ppl god knows but the picture if he is a Makara lagna looks too precarious till sani dasa starts if he lasts that long best wishes prashant On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidyawrote: > Dear Prashant, > > ///it is nice to see a positive change in US history/// > > Unfortunately, although I do hope I'm wrong, I'm not so optimistic that > Obama will bring about the 'positive change' America is hoping for. If my > memory serves me some questioned the Capricorn chart when I first brought > it up, saying that his oratory skills didn't reflect Ketu in 2nd. > However, considering the influences on 2nd, it's not difficult to see why > he has such ability. We need to remember that Ketu will act similar to > Mars (Kuja Vad Ketu)... > > Mars, conjunct Rahu, aspects 2nd whilst his dispositor, and star lord, > (Sun) aspects 2nd lord Saturn in lagna...etc. No doubt Obama is a > powerful speaker. I also have no doubt that he's untruthful. > > Ketu in 2nd without benefic association suggests deviousness in regards > to speech, and, no doubt, there has been ample evidence of this during > the campaign in regards to his close association with known > radicals...Ayers, Farrakhan, Rezko, khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, the > Annenberg association, Acorn and so forth. He's lied without flinching > when it comes to these associations (and other matters too numerous to > mention here). I'm not passing judgement, just stating facts and > verifying the influence of (this) Ketu in 2nd. > > Looking closer at 2nd house we see retrograde 2nd lord, dispositor of > Ketu, occupying nakshatra of 8th lord Sun who aspects from 7th...Sun, as > mentioned, disposits MA/RA combination, and combusts retrograde Mercury > (significator of speech). > > 1st/2nd lord Saturn conjuncts retrograde/debilitated Jupiter. Jupiter, as > we know, is the planet of morality, ethics, truthfulness, law, justice, > politics etc.. When afflicted it signifies misjudgement, law suits and so > forth. > > We were discussing only recently the effect of Mrityu Bhaga (fateful > degree) which, according to classic treatises, can be a critical > placement in regards to health problems (chronic illness), fateful > tragedies etc.. Note, Mars is within 00:15 degrees from this fateful > point. > > Obama's grandmother passed away the day before this election. This is > verified with Ketu (maternal grandparent) transiting P/D lord Mercury in > sign of bhukti lord Moon. Note, ME/SU occupy 4th from 4th (mother's > mother). > > I do hope I haven't ruffled too many feathers with my interpretation of > this chart, and (inadvertently) offended any Obama supporters...this is > NOT my intention! Destiny is unfolding on the world stage and we are > called to be witnesses. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>; > < <%40\ ..com> > > > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:41 PM > Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 > > Dear Members, > > it is nice to see a positive change in US history > > I had some observations made during June-Jul in Jyotish vidya forum on > Obama's chart where the birth time discussions were going on finally a > birth > certificate was provided giving his TOB as 19.24 hrs > > even before this Wendy ji had suggested his Lagna can be Makara with his > longish face and the time she worked was 19.11 hrs so not far from the > recorded time. > > at that stage I felt with Sani in the 8th tho his Lagna, 4th from chandra > and over Natal rahu aspecting Tula and at election time Kuja is in Tula > with > Sun and aflicted Kuja both by Sani and Ravi aspect Lagna so a physical > attack, injury risk is likely by Neo Nazi's as early as June this did > happen > is this over > > Gur-Kuj-Suk saw both the attack on him a death in his family as Sukra is > in > Arudra and his elevations as 9th lord in the 10th is a good , sukra is in > the 4th in D9, D10 as well > > Guru rahu starts from 28th Jan 09 to 24/6/11 > > rahu is in the 12th in D1 in ketu's star who is in the 6th house of > conspiracies, intrigue, sabotage, enemies, natural disasters, sickness > etc... > and is 2nd to Dasa lord and Guru-rah are 6/8 between themselves so not a > auspicious time either. > > Guru-rahu-rah runs from 28/1 to 9/6/09 can see some violence directed at > him ** when he is a foreign tour the Magaha masa a Friday and rohini > start > whenever they happen to be in harmony is a physical risk for his well > being, > longevity too there ** is one close to this on Feb 5th 09 a slight miss > by > rohini falling on a Thursday I hope this period passes off peacefully the > world has seen a lot of mess already and any instability to this no 1 > economy can add more troubles to other parts of the world if America has > cold rest of the world has pneumonia it was said we have seen this in the > GEC now > > I hope this event will pass and his sani dasa [if he sees it ] will give > him > immense success, fame, statesmanship opportunities as Lagna lord in lagna > with Guru will make a lot of path breaking ones for the down trodden > African > race and other weaker nations as sani represents them > > this is my small effort in studying Mundane subjects had been doing when > time permitted, and a Sept 20th post in AIA forum on the possible next > terror strike in India I had given Oct 30th and it did happen in > Assam-Guawahathi as I had indicated but these r so insignificant as no > one > will use our data for preventing such crimes max we can do is reduce the > damage, we can't alter destiny if the govts can use the help of this > divine > subject for welfare of humankind > > Best wishes > > prashant > > **pl note :** lines within this I won't share this in public forums > > I use BV Raman's Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non > Raman's. > NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify > ur > birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the > Pictures > folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member > ICAS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Members,it is nice to see a positive change in US historyI had some observations made during June-Jul in Jyotish vidya forum on Obama's chart where the birth time discussions were going on finally a birth certificate was provided giving his TOB as 19.24 hrs even before this Wendy ji had suggested his Lagna can be Makara with his longish face and the time she worked was 19.11 hrs so not far from the recorded time.at that stage I felt with Sani in the 8th tho his Lagna, 4th from chandra and over Natal rahu aspecting Tula and at election time Kuja is in Tula with Sun and aflicted Kuja both by Sani and Ravi aspect Lagna so a physical attack, injury risk is likely by Neo Nazi's as early as June this did happen is this over Gur-Kuj-Suk saw both the attack on him a death in his family as Sukra is in Arudra and his elevations as 9th lord in the 10th is a good , sukra is in the 4th in D9, D10 as wellGuru rahu starts from 28th Jan 09 to 24/6/11rahu is in the 12th in D1 in ketu's star who is in the 6th house of conspiracies, intrigue, sabotage, enemies, natural disasters, sickness etc... and is 2nd to Dasa lord and Guru-rah are 6/8 between themselves so not a auspicious time either.Guru-rahu-rah runs from 28/1 to 9/6/09 can see some violence directed at him ** when he is a foreign tour the Magaha masa a Friday and rohini start whenever they happen to be in harmony is a physical risk for his well being, longevity too there ** is one close to this on Feb 5th 09 a slight miss by rohini falling on a Thursday I hope this period passes off peacefully the world has seen a lot of mess already and any instability to this no 1 economy can add more troubles to other parts of the world if America has cold rest of the world has pneumonia it was said we have seen this in the GEC now I hope this event will pass and his sani dasa [if he sees it ] will give him immense success, fame, statesmanship opportunities as Lagna lord in lagna with Guru will make a lot of path breaking ones for the down trodden African race and other weaker nations as sani represents them this is my small effort in studying Mundane subjects had been doing when time permitted, and a Sept 20th post in AIA forum on the possible next terror strike in India I had given Oct 30th and it did happen in Assam-Guawahathi as I had indicated but these r so insignificant as no one will use our data for preventing such crimes max we can do is reduce the damage, we can't alter destiny if the govts can use the help of this divine subject for welfare of humankind Best wishesprashant**pl note :** lines within this I won't share this in public forums I use BV Raman's Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Prashant, I have not yet analyzed Pr. Obama's horoscope but I plan to do so within a week or two, within the context of the entire American horoscope. I would like to comment outside the context of astrology, though... I am very disconnected from American politics being both jaded and also in the process of moving to a different country (Japan). However even I was struck and moved on 11/4th by Barak Obama. I have very deep spontaneous respect for him - and I probably have not yet said that about any politician in my life. He is a sincere man with a lunar aura who is going to break his back willingly to make a significant positive mark on American history. I am not sure if he will succeed or not - but it is so refreshing to find someone like him at the wheel of the country for a change. However, I am quite alarmed by your concerns of physical attack on him as I have both intellectual and intuitional impulses to the same effect. If you could take some time to explain your astrological thoughts on this matter in a more elaborate, less concise/codified language I would be very interested to read them and grateful. ~~~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:41 AM, astro desk wrote: > Dear Members, > > it is nice to see a positive change in US history > > I had some observations made during June-Jul in Jyotish vidya forum on > Obama's chart where the birth time discussions were going on finally > a birth > certificate was provided giving his TOB as 19.24 hrs > > even before this Wendy ji had suggested his Lagna can be Makara with > his > longish face and the time she worked was 19.11 hrs so not far from the > recorded time. > > at that stage I felt with Sani in the 8th tho his Lagna, 4th from > chandra > and over Natal rahu aspecting Tula and at election time Kuja is in > Tula with > Sun and aflicted Kuja both by Sani and Ravi aspect Lagna so a physical > attack, injury risk is likely by Neo Nazi's as early as June this > did happen > is this over > > Gur-Kuj-Suk saw both the attack on him a death in his family as > Sukra is in > Arudra and his elevations as 9th lord in the 10th is a good , sukra > is in > the 4th in D9, D10 as well > > Guru rahu starts from 28th Jan 09 to 24/6/11 > > > rahu is in the 12th in D1 in ketu's star who is in the 6th house of > conspiracies, intrigue, sabotage, enemies, natural disasters, sickness > etc... > and is 2nd to Dasa lord and Guru-rah are 6/8 between themselves so > not a > auspicious time either. > > Guru-rahu-rah runs from 28/1 to 9/6/09 can see some violence > directed at > him ** when he is a foreign tour the Magaha masa a Friday and > rohini start > whenever they happen to be in harmony is a physical risk for his > well being, > longevity too there ** is one close to this on Feb 5th 09 a slight > miss by > rohini falling on a Thursday I hope this period passes off > peacefully the > world has seen a lot of mess already and any instability to this no 1 > economy can add more troubles to other parts of the world if America > has > cold rest of the world has pneumonia it was said we have seen this > in the > GEC now > > I hope this event will pass and his sani dasa [if he sees it ] will > give him > immense success, fame, statesmanship opportunities as Lagna lord in > lagna > with Guru will make a lot of path breaking ones for the down trodden > African > race and other weaker nations as sani represents them > > > this is my small effort in studying Mundane subjects had been doing > when > time permitted, and a Sept 20th post in AIA forum on the possible next > terror strike in India I had given Oct 30th and it did happen in > Assam-Guawahathi as I had indicated but these r so insignificant as > no one > will use our data for preventing such crimes max we can do is reduce > the > damage, we can't alter destiny if the govts can use the help of this > divine > subject for welfare of humankind > > > Best wishes > > prashant > > > **pl note :** lines within this I won't share this in public forums > > > I use BV Raman's Ayanamsa=Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non > Raman's. > NONE OTHER. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to > verify ur > birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the > Pictures > folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. > see > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life > Member > ICAS. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Vic, Well, for the sake of the World, I certainly do hope your assessment is correct. Believe me I will be more than happy to be proved wrong :-) However, the horoscope gives another picture in terms of 2nd house (speech/truthfulness etc). This house, occupied by Ketu, has no benefic aspect but is rather aspected by F/M Mars whilst 2nd lord, closely conjunct debilitated Jupiter (2nd karaka), is aspected by 8th lord Sun who combusts Mercury (significator of speech). I truly don't know how I could interpret this any other way than in my previous post? If my memory serves me I also commented about his associates way back when the horoscope was first discussed. As we know, those we associate with are seen from 11th house...associates, circle of friends, community etc.. And again we see 11th lord in 8th conjunct Rahu whilst 11th karaka (Jupiter) is debilitated in lagna. 12th house of religion/philosophy (Jeremiah Wright) also suffers similarly with it's lord Mercury combust 8th lord whilst 9th karaka (Jupiter) suffers debilitation etc.. Exalted Moon in 5th also has to be judged in light of it's conjunction with Gulika (Mandi)?? http://jyotishvidya.com/ch25.htm As for the (possible) danger to life that some have predicted, I prefer to step away from that. I'm a firm believer in the power of thought (collective consciousness) and would rather not contribute to this thought in any way. I'm sure you've noted that I rarely offer any predictions...mindful of the reality of self-fulfilling prophesy. Let destiny run it's course without any nudging from me. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:10 AM Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Prashant, I have not yet analyzed Pr. Obama's horoscope but I plan to do so within a week or two, within the context of the entire American horoscope. I would like to comment outside the context of astrology, though... I am very disconnected from American politics being both jaded and also in the process of moving to a different country (Japan). However even I was struck and moved on 11/4th by Barak Obama. I have very deep spontaneous respect for him - and I probably have not yet said that about any politician in my life. He is a sincere man with a lunar aura who is going to break his back willingly to make a significant positive mark on American history. I am not sure if he will succeed or not - but it is so refreshing to find someone like him at the wheel of the country for a change. However, I am quite alarmed by your concerns of physical attack on him as I have both intellectual and intuitional impulses to the same effect. If you could take some time to explain your astrological thoughts on this matter in a more elaborate, less concise/codified language I would be very interested to read them and grateful. ~~~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Correction: ///12th house of religion/philosophy (Jeremiah Wright) also suffers similarly with it's lord Mercury combust 8th lord whilst 9th karaka (Jupiter) suffers debilitation etc../// That, of course, should read " 9th house of religion " ...my apologies! typing too fast and the brain can't quite keep up...rushing through this as I'm late getting my meal ready in order to take mounds of medication...thoroughly sick of this daily ritual. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:01 PM Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Vic, Well, for the sake of the World, I certainly do hope your assessment is correct. Believe me I will be more than happy to be proved wrong :-) However, the horoscope gives another picture in terms of 2nd house (speech/truthfulness etc). This house, occupied by Ketu, has no benefic aspect but is rather aspected by F/M Mars whilst 2nd lord, closely conjunct debilitated Jupiter (2nd karaka), is aspected by 8th lord Sun who combusts Mercury (significator of speech). I truly don't know how I could interpret this any other way than in my previous post? If my memory serves me I also commented about his associates way back when the horoscope was first discussed. As we know, those we associate with are seen from 11th house...associates, circle of friends, community etc.. And again we see 11th lord in 8th conjunct Rahu whilst 11th karaka (Jupiter) is debilitated in lagna. 12th house of religion/philosophy (Jeremiah Wright) also suffers similarly with it's lord Mercury combust 8th lord whilst 9th karaka (Jupiter) suffers debilitation etc.. Exalted Moon in 5th also has to be judged in light of it's conjunction with Gulika (Mandi)?? http://jyotishvidya.com/ch25.htm As for the (possible) danger to life that some have predicted, I prefer to step away from that. I'm a firm believer in the power of thought (collective consciousness) and would rather not contribute to this thought in any way. I'm sure you've noted that I rarely offer any predictions...mindful of the reality of self-fulfilling prophesy. Let destiny run it's course without any nudging from me. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:10 AM Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Prashant, I have not yet analyzed Pr. Obama's horoscope but I plan to do so within a week or two, within the context of the entire American horoscope. I would like to comment outside the context of astrology, though... I am very disconnected from American politics being both jaded and also in the process of moving to a different country (Japan). However even I was struck and moved on 11/4th by Barak Obama. I have very deep spontaneous respect for him - and I probably have not yet said that about any politician in my life. He is a sincere man with a lunar aura who is going to break his back willingly to make a significant positive mark on American history. I am not sure if he will succeed or not - but it is so refreshing to find someone like him at the wheel of the country for a change. However, I am quite alarmed by your concerns of physical attack on him as I have both intellectual and intuitional impulses to the same effect. If you could take some time to explain your astrological thoughts on this matter in a more elaborate, less concise/codified language I would be very interested to read them and grateful. ~~~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, Thank you. As always, I very much appreciate, as a student of Jyotish-Vidya, your neutral expertise as you accurately delineate a chart with a birth time given to you. Also, I particularly enjoy and learn so much from how you can take one house with a planet in it and delineate it to reflect the whole chart. Once seen from this advanced perspective, it is like a final piece of the puzzle to arrive at a ah ha moment of understanding I agree, an accurate Birth Chart makes all the difference in the world. I join you and others in hope and prayer, Uttara " Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 jyotish-vidya Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 11:28 PM Dear Uttara, I acknowledge your right to express your view on the grounds that Vic has already expressed his. However, as an outsider, I can have no personal political view (either way) and need to remain as neutral as possible, except for putting forward what the chart indicates to me...supported BTW by an article I read in " The Australian " - a respected newspaper here. http://www.theaustr alian.news. com.au/story/ 0,25197,24485226 -7583,00. html I should just add here that I pray with all my might that Vic's assessment is correct and that perhaps (hopefully) I'm reading the wrong chart :-( Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Uttara, ///I agree, an accurate Birth Chart makes all the difference in the world./// It seems the more I work with this chart the more it speaks to me of its accuracy. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:47 PM Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Mrs.Wendy, Thank you. As always, I very much appreciate, as a student of Jyotish-Vidya, your neutral expertise as you accurately delineate a chart with a birth time given to you. Also, I particularly enjoy and learn so much from how you can take one house with a planet in it and delineate it to reflect the whole chart. Once seen from this advanced perspective, it is like a final piece of the puzzle to arrive at a ah ha moment of understanding I agree, an accurate Birth Chart makes all the difference in the world. I join you and others in hope and prayer, Uttara " Three things that cannot be long hidden: the Sun, the Moon and the truth " Guatama Buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Wendy, the first and last para s of this particular post contrary to one another, for convience asake i used a code similar to ur thoughts red for the 1st and green for the last one if u r using RTF it can be een so, in the 1st u say u wud be happy to see it true the BUT THINGS CAN BE OTHERWISE OF THE change he can bring in in the last u say collective conciousness will shape the outcome here it was on his well beinglongeivity my reason to give a concusion to the thread we had in June-july on a potential danger to hims during election date time and it di d happen so the the next big one is also given no self full filling but subject fullfilling is only the point it is said to see the faith of so many if shortned by a act of fate. and if he really turns round the corner and do well for the world it is can be a reedeming feature after so much gloom. Dick cheiny and george Bush jr were no saints either who fudged everything even his 1st election if his brother governer of FL did not do his bit of fraud by not counting the some votes as the time had lapsed. and of course ls see the chart for some +ve aspects as long as it lasts astrologically soon. best wishes prashamt On 11/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > Well, for the sake of the World, I certainly do hope your assessment is > correct. Believe me I will be more than happy to be proved wrong :-) > > However, the horoscope gives another picture in terms of 2nd house > (speech/truthfulness etc). This house, occupied by Ketu, has no benefic > aspect but is rather aspected by F/M Mars whilst 2nd lord, closely > conjunct debilitated Jupiter (2nd karaka), is aspected by 8th lord Sun > who combusts Mercury (significator of speech). I truly don't know how I > could interpret this any other way than in my previous post? > > If my memory serves me I also commented about his associates way back > when the horoscope was first discussed. As we know, those we associate > with are seen from 11th house...associates, circle of friends, community > etc.. And again we see 11th lord in 8th conjunct Rahu whilst 11th karaka > (Jupiter) is debilitated in lagna. 12th house of religion/philosophy > (Jeremiah Wright) also suffers similarly with it's lord Mercury combust > 8th lord whilst 9th karaka (Jupiter) suffers debilitation etc.. > > Exalted Moon in 5th also has to be judged in light of it's conjunction > with Gulika (Mandi)?? http://jyotishvidya.com/ch25.htm > > As for the (possible) danger to life that some have predicted, I prefer > to step away from that. I'm a firm believer in the power of thought > (collective consciousness) and would rather not contribute to this > thought in any way. I'm sure you've noted that I rarely offer any > predictions...mindful of the reality of self-fulfilling prophesy. Let > destiny run it's course without any nudging from me. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > ___ > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:10 AM > Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 > > Dear Prashant, > > I have not yet analyzed Pr. Obama's horoscope but I plan to do so > within a week or two, within the context of the entire American > horoscope. > > I would like to comment outside the context of astrology, though... > > I am very disconnected from American politics being both jaded and > also in the process of moving to a different country (Japan). However > even I was struck and moved on 11/4th by Barak Obama. I have very deep > spontaneous respect for him - and I probably have not yet said that > about any politician in my life. He is a sincere man with a lunar aura > who is going to break his back willingly to make a significant > positive mark on American history. > > I am not sure if he will succeed or not - but it is so refreshing to > find someone like him at the wheel of the country for a change. > > However, I am quite alarmed by your concerns of physical attack on him > as I have both intellectual and intuitional impulses to the same > effect. If you could take some time to explain your astrological > thoughts on this matter in a more elaborate, less concise/codified > language I would be very interested to read them and grateful. > > ~~~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > > www.vedicastrologer.net > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Prashant, If you could save me the trouble of searching the achieves, would you remind me of the accepted birth data for President Elect Obama? I intend to feed this information into my astrology scripts and software to get an unbiased initial outlook on it. I will share the output of those scripts, formulae and computations with the group. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net On Nov 6, 2008, at 9:48 AM, astro desk wrote: > Dear Wendy, > > the first and last para s of this particular post contrary to one > another, > for convience asake i used a code similar to ur thoughts > > red for the 1st and green for the last one if u r using RTF it can > be een > so, > > in the 1st u say u wud be happy to see it true the BUT THINGS CAN BE > OTHERWISE OF THE change he can bring in > > in the last u say collective conciousness will shape the outcome > here it was > on his well beinglongeivity > > my reason to give a concusion to the thread we had in June-july on a > potential danger to hims during election date time and it di d > happen so the > the next big one is also given no self full filling but subject > fullfilling > is only the point it is said to see the faith of so many if shortned > by a > act of fate. > > and if he really turns round the corner and do well for the world it > is can > be a reedeming feature after so much gloom. > > Dick cheiny and george Bush jr were no saints either who fudged > everything > even his 1st election if his brother governer of FL did not do his > bit of > fraud by not counting the some votes as the time had lapsed. > > and of course ls see the chart for some +ve aspects as long as it > lasts > astrologically soon. > > best wishes > prashamt > > > On 11/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: >> >> Dear Vic, >> >> Well, for the sake of the World, I certainly do hope your >> assessment is >> correct. Believe me I will be more than happy to be proved wrong :-) >> >> However, the horoscope gives another picture in terms of 2nd house >> (speech/truthfulness etc). This house, occupied by Ketu, has no >> benefic >> aspect but is rather aspected by F/M Mars whilst 2nd lord, closely >> conjunct debilitated Jupiter (2nd karaka), is aspected by 8th lord >> Sun >> who combusts Mercury (significator of speech). I truly don't know >> how I >> could interpret this any other way than in my previous post? >> >> If my memory serves me I also commented about his associates way back >> when the horoscope was first discussed. As we know, those we >> associate >> with are seen from 11th house...associates, circle of friends, >> community >> etc.. And again we see 11th lord in 8th conjunct Rahu whilst 11th >> karaka >> (Jupiter) is debilitated in lagna. 12th house of religion/philosophy >> (Jeremiah Wright) also suffers similarly with it's lord Mercury >> combust >> 8th lord whilst 9th karaka (Jupiter) suffers debilitation etc.. >> >> Exalted Moon in 5th also has to be judged in light of it's >> conjunction >> with Gulika (Mandi)?? http://jyotishvidya.com/ch25.htm >> >> As for the (possible) danger to life that some have predicted, I >> prefer >> to step away from that. I'm a firm believer in the power of thought >> (collective consciousness) and would rather not contribute to this >> thought in any way. I'm sure you've noted that I rarely offer any >> predictions...mindful of the reality of self-fulfilling prophesy. Let >> destiny run it's course without any nudging from me. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> >> ___ >> >> - >> " Vic D " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com>> >> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> >> Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:10 AM >> Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 >> >> Dear Prashant, >> >> I have not yet analyzed Pr. Obama's horoscope but I plan to do so >> within a week or two, within the context of the entire American >> horoscope. >> >> I would like to comment outside the context of astrology, though... >> >> I am very disconnected from American politics being both jaded and >> also in the process of moving to a different country (Japan). However >> even I was struck and moved on 11/4th by Barak Obama. I have very >> deep >> spontaneous respect for him - and I probably have not yet said that >> about any politician in my life. He is a sincere man with a lunar >> aura >> who is going to break his back willingly to make a significant >> positive mark on American history. >> >> I am not sure if he will succeed or not - but it is so refreshing to >> find someone like him at the wheel of the country for a change. >> >> However, I am quite alarmed by your concerns of physical attack on >> him >> as I have both intellectual and intuitional impulses to the same >> effect. If you could take some time to explain your astrological >> thoughts on this matter in a more elaborate, less concise/codified >> language I would be very interested to read them and grateful. >> >> ~~~ Vic DiCara >> >> www.vicdicara.com >> >> www.vedicastrologer.net >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Prashant, ///in the last u say collective conciousness will shape the outcome here it was on his well beinglongeivity/// No Prashant, you totally misunderstand me. Although the influence of collective consciousness, like the butterfly effect, cannot be denied, it would be wrong to assume this alone is responsible for shaping one's destiny. I remember to this day the words spoken to me in childhood, they're a part of my inner consciousness, laying beneath the surface to rise again and again at appropriate times. However my destiny, stamped within my DNA at the time of birth, is reflected in the horoscope. I'm reminded of Sri Yukteswar's demonstration of the 'power of suggestion' when he suggested certain things to Yogananda Paramahansa regarding his health. Of course, if we're absolutely sure of our prediction and this is positive for the person concerned, then yes, our predictions can not only elevate but can also help the native to understand the profound significance of jyotish and his connection with the cosmos... Sri Yukteswar was a knowledgeable astrologer who also understood the power our thoughts/words have. Predicting early death or assassination, I believe, is not something we should do. Of course I recognise others right to hold a different view. I can only express mine. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " astro desk " <astro.prashantkumar <jyotish-vidya > Friday, November 07, 2008 2:48 AM Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Wendy, the first and last para s of this particular post contrary to one another, for convience asake i used a code similar to ur thoughts red for the 1st and green for the last one if u r using RTF it can be een so, in the 1st u say u wud be happy to see it true the BUT THINGS CAN BE OTHERWISE OF THE change he can bring in in the last u say collective conciousness will shape the outcome here it was on his well beinglongeivity my reason to give a concusion to the thread we had in June-july on a potential danger to hims during election date time and it di d happen so the the next big one is also given no self full filling but subject fullfilling is only the point it is said to see the faith of so many if shortned by a act of fate. and if he really turns round the corner and do well for the world it is can be a reedeming feature after so much gloom. Dick cheiny and george Bush jr were no saints either who fudged everything even his 1st election if his brother governer of FL did not do his bit of fraud by not counting the some votes as the time had lapsed. and of course ls see the chart for some +ve aspects as long as it lasts astrologically soon. best wishes prashamt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Vic, If I might intercede here... Obama's BC can be viewed here. jyotish-vidyaBirth%20Certificates/ Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Friday, November 07, 2008 2:55 AM Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 Dear Prashant, If you could save me the trouble of searching the achieves, would you remind me of the accepted birth data for President Elect Obama? I intend to feed this information into my astrology scripts and software to get an unbiased initial outlook on it. I will share the output of those scripts, formulae and computations with the group. ~ Vic DiCara www.vicdicara.com www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 THANKS! On Nov 6, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > If I might intercede here... > > Obama's BC can be viewed here. > > jyotish-vidyaBirth > %20Certificates/ > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, November 07, 2008 2:55 AM > Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 > > > Dear Prashant, > > If you could save me the trouble of searching the achieves, would you > remind me of the accepted birth data for President Elect Obama? I > intend to feed this information into my astrology scripts and software > to get an unbiased initial outlook on it. I will share the output of > those scripts, formulae and computations with the group. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Dear Vic, the birth certificate as published inte group is the one I used for what it is worth unless contested of course. like uttara said it is not yet aunthicated version 4/8/61, 18324 hrs Hawai. best wishes prashant On 11/6/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Prashant, > > If you could save me the trouble of searching the achieves, would you > remind me of the accepted birth data for President Elect Obama? I > intend to feed this information into my astrology scripts and software > to get an unbiased initial outlook on it. I will share the output of > those scripts, formulae and computations with the group. > > ~ Vic DiCara > > www.vicdicara.com > www.vedicastrologer.net > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 9:48 AM, astro desk wrote: > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > the first and last para s of this particular post contrary to one > > another, > > for convience asake i used a code similar to ur thoughts > > > > red for the 1st and green for the last one if u r using RTF it can > > be een > > so, > > > > in the 1st u say u wud be happy to see it true the BUT THINGS CAN BE > > OTHERWISE OF THE change he can bring in > > > > in the last u say collective conciousness will shape the outcome > > here it was > > on his well beinglongeivity > > > > my reason to give a concusion to the thread we had in June-july on a > > potential danger to hims during election date time and it di d > > happen so the > > the next big one is also given no self full filling but subject > > fullfilling > > is only the point it is said to see the faith of so many if shortned > > by a > > act of fate. > > > > and if he really turns round the corner and do well for the world it > > is can > > be a reedeming feature after so much gloom. > > > > Dick cheiny and george Bush jr were no saints either who fudged > > everything > > even his 1st election if his brother governer of FL did not do his > > bit of > > fraud by not counting the some votes as the time had lapsed. > > > > and of course ls see the chart for some +ve aspects as long as it > > lasts > > astrologically soon. > > > > best wishes > > prashamt > > > > > > On 11/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya<jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com>> > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Vic, > >> > >> Well, for the sake of the World, I certainly do hope your > >> assessment is > >> correct. Believe me I will be more than happy to be proved wrong :-) > >> > >> However, the horoscope gives another picture in terms of 2nd house > >> (speech/truthfulness etc). This house, occupied by Ketu, has no > >> benefic > >> aspect but is rather aspected by F/M Mars whilst 2nd lord, closely > >> conjunct debilitated Jupiter (2nd karaka), is aspected by 8th lord > >> Sun > >> who combusts Mercury (significator of speech). I truly don't know > >> how I > >> could interpret this any other way than in my previous post? > >> > >> If my memory serves me I also commented about his associates way back > >> when the horoscope was first discussed. As we know, those we > >> associate > >> with are seen from 11th house...associates, circle of friends, > >> community > >> etc.. And again we see 11th lord in 8th conjunct Rahu whilst 11th > >> karaka > >> (Jupiter) is debilitated in lagna. 12th house of religion/philosophy > >> (Jeremiah Wright) also suffers similarly with it's lord Mercury > >> combust > >> 8th lord whilst 9th karaka (Jupiter) suffers debilitation etc.. > >> > >> Exalted Moon in 5th also has to be judged in light of it's > >> conjunction > >> with Gulika (Mandi)?? http://jyotishvidya.com/ch25.htm > >> > >> As for the (possible) danger to life that some have predicted, I > >> prefer > >> to step away from that. I'm a firm believer in the power of thought > >> (collective consciousness) and would rather not contribute to this > >> thought in any way. I'm sure you've noted that I rarely offer any > >> predictions...mindful of the reality of self-fulfilling prophesy. Let > >> destiny run it's course without any nudging from me. > >> > >> Best Wishes, > >> Mrs. Wendy > >> http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> < > http://jyotishvidya.com/> > >> ___ > >> > >> - > >> " Vic D " <vicdicara <vicdicara%40gmail.com> <vicdicara% > 40gmail.com>> > >> <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>> > >> Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:10 AM > >> Re: Barack H. Obama's future Nov 4 08 > >> > >> Dear Prashant, > >> > >> I have not yet analyzed Pr. Obama's horoscope but I plan to do so > >> within a week or two, within the context of the entire American > >> horoscope. > >> > >> I would like to comment outside the context of astrology, though... > >> > >> I am very disconnected from American politics being both jaded and > >> also in the process of moving to a different country (Japan). However > >> even I was struck and moved on 11/4th by Barak Obama. I have very > >> deep > >> spontaneous respect for him - and I probably have not yet said that > >> about any politician in my life. He is a sincere man with a lunar > >> aura > >> who is going to break his back willingly to make a significant > >> positive mark on American history. > >> > >> I am not sure if he will succeed or not - but it is so refreshing to > >> find someone like him at the wheel of the country for a change. > >> > >> However, I am quite alarmed by your concerns of physical attack on > >> him > >> as I have both intellectual and intuitional impulses to the same > >> effect. If you could take some time to explain your astrological > >> thoughts on this matter in a more elaborate, less concise/codified > >> language I would be very interested to read them and grateful. > >> > >> ~~~ Vic DiCara > >> > >> www.vicdicara.com > >> > >> www.vedicastrologer.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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