Fwd: Indian's colonised greece VS Yavanas of india

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, "maheswara_varma" <maheswara_varma wrote: dear group . pls read abt various proofs available in History ofgreeks who dont hav a Long continous undisturbed civilisation like indiahas . This is a compilation of a big reserch paper published in worldhistory assossiation . The Greeks and the Indians: Scholars have beendivided about the origin of Greeks, but not of Indians. Indian sourcesassert that Yavanas were degraded Kshatriyas. Bury's notings11 are givenfor convenience about the Greek origins:1. The Greek sources themselves accept that Iavana = Iavones (= Yavana)is the oriental name for Greeks.2. The name "Greece" is derived from Graia -> Graii (L) -> Graeci ->Greece and applies to the colonists implying that they came from outsidereplacing Pelasgians. Though, even Bury records it, he does not mentionto which oriental language that orient name belonged.3. The original coming of the Greeks was utterly forgotten by theirdescendants, and we are unable to fix the date.4. The old home of the invaders is supposed to have lain in thenorth-west regions of the Balkan peninsula.5. The Greeks of history who had completely forgotten this far-distantpast were not exclusively the descendants of these Greek invaders.Edward Pococke12 shows how Indians colonized Greece. Col.Tod13 delves onthe similarities between Indians and Greeks. C. F. C. Volney14 in hissearch of lost tribes finds that both belong to the same stock. H. P.Blavatsky15 has been specific about the Indian origin of Greekcivilization. Chamanlal16 and other scholars also point out the factwith linguistic, anthropological and archaeological evidences.Only later, they reverse stand is popularized and propagated intextbooks. In any case, as the antiquity of Indians has been well beforethe advent of the Greeks, only the Indian influence is plausible,probable and possible and not the other way.However, Weber proposed, assuming on the Alexander invasion, that hisexpedition into India brought about some kind of knowledge of thesubstance of the Homeric story found its way into India. This clearlyproves that the argument was put forward to strengthen the theory of"Alexander invasion of India" and thus show that everything came toIndia through Greeks thereafter. This syndrome working in them could benoted in the writings of John Bentley, William Jones, Vincent Smith,Heras and others.The occurrence of a list of names of Kamboja, Yavana, saka, Barbara,Mlechchha, Tushara, Harita, Kirata and others in Ramayana was taken asthe proof of Greek influence. That Indians and their literatureconsidered Yavanas as their degraded Khastriyas and thus excommunicatedpeople group is not at all denied. Therefore, Indians never consideredthem alien, in fact, the learned ones were treated with respect(Yavanacharya). Even Sangam Tamil Literature uses "Yavanas" ingeographical context without specifically pointing to any people group.Moreover, from the western sources, it is noted that the word "yavana"was never used to denote only "the Greeks".1. Max Mueller17 himself showed that "yavana" is not the exclusive nameof the Greeks or Ionians.2. Goldstucker18 pointed out that "yavanani' as alluded by Panini was infact referred to the Persian cuneiform alphabet.3. Of course, Panini19 himself points out the three different meaningsprevalent to the word "yavanani".Even in the dramaturgy, chronologically, the Indian drama is traced backto Vedic period (literary evidence – c.4500-3500 BCE), well beforethe advent of the Greeks in Greece itself (c.,1000 BCE) 20. Thearchaeological evidences from Indus / Harappan valley, again proves theantiquity of dance and drama to 2500-1950 BCE period21. The philosophybehind the first drama of Persoe Aechylus is traced back to Indianorigin based on Zeus and Promethecus discussion22. Therefore, the Greekinfluence on Valmiki is ruled out and in fact, the Ramayana's influenceon other literature has to be studied critically.Many figures in the Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, Kassite, Hittite,Assyrian, Achaemenian, Seleuid or Parthian, Sassanian and other sealsmake any researcher think about India only, as in no other country suchfigures are used even today as being used in India23.Particularly, the two or three figures with bow and arrows standingtogether remind Rama and Lakshmana or with Sita together as depicted inIndia24. In fact, the occurrences of Indian seals (IVC) in the MiddleEast and the commercial contact between these civilizations prove25 onlythe Indian influence.Some of the seals are shown as illustration. How this type of Indianfeatures should figure should be subjected to a separate study.The Mittani who worshipped Vedic gods, belonged to an Indic kingdom thatwas connected by marriage across several generations to the Egyptian18th dynastry to which Akhneten (1352-1336 BCE) belonged. The firstMittani King was Sutarna I (good sun). The names of the successors areIndian as listed below:Name of the KingMeaningIn a treaty39 between Mittanians and Hittites dated to 15th – 14thcent.BCE (the Boghkoi inscriptions), the gods Mitrasil, Arunasil, Indarand Nasattyana side by side with Teshup and Hepa have been mentioned.They are nothing but Indian gods – Mithra, Varuna, Indra and theNasatyas. Teshup and Hepa are local gods. Their kings too had names likeMattiwaza, Tushratta, Mariannu and so on and they are typically Indian.Not only kings have Sanskrit names, their records have many such wordsdenoting day to day to things, goods etc. Few examples are –1. A text by a Mitannian named Kikkuli uses words such as aika (eka,one), tera (tri, three), panza (pancha, five), satta (sapta, seven), na(nava, nine), vartana (vartana, round).2. Another text has babru (babhru, brown), parita (palita, grey) andpinkara (pingala, red).3. Their chief festival was the celebration of vishuva (solstice) verymuch like India.Sutarna IGood sunParatarna IGreat sunParashukshatraRuler with axeSaukshatruSon of Sukshatra, the good rulerParatarna II,Artatama or RitadhamaAbiding in cosmic lawSutarna IIDasharathaMtivaja or MatiwazzaWhose wealth is prayerHere also Dasharatha is found, why not, historians ignore this referenceand deny Ramayana'a influence there? Have scholars been selective inchoosing and quoting the inscriptions? In fact, it is evident thatRamayana had been so popular that it was known among the Hittites duringc.14th cent.BCE itself. Therefore, the influence on the Greeks is veryimminent and factual. M Varma--- End forwarded message ---