Re:Birth particular's of Lord Rama

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Dear Goelji,

 

In Valmiki Ramayana there is no mention of Rashi. Rashis were used more towards

the end of the Dwapara yuga, though the Rashis have been mentioned in the Veda.

Vedavyasa said in the Adhyatma Ramayana, a Dwapara yuga text, that the Sun just

reached Mesh, which means the Sun was in the first degree of the Ashwini

Nakshatra. There is no denying that the Moon goes ahead of the Sun by 12 degrees

for every tithi. Thus it covered 8 X 12 = 96 degrees by the time it entered the

Navami tithi.. Assuming equal division of the ecliptic among the 27 Nakshatras

(ie. 13.33 degree per Nakshatra), we find the longitude-separation from the

start of Ashwini to the end of Punarvasu to be 93.3 degrees only. However to my

knowledge nowhere it is given that in the times of the Ramayana the ecliptic was

considered to be equally divided among the 27 Nakshatras. The astronomers also

vouch for the fact that in reality the Nakshatras are not equally separated in

the ecliptic.

Under this situation I find that the data given in the Balakanda or the

Adhyatma Ramayana could be right, as these were based on actual observations.

 

I await your comments.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

 

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:34:30 AM

Re:Birth particular's of Lord Rama

 

 

Dear Sir,

This anamoly is not resolved as yet.

If you take Sun on Zero degrees Aries and Moon at 3deg 20' Cancer,

this adds up to a angular distance of 93deg 20' only.

In the days of Lord Rama , probably mathmetical Lunar Tithis were not in use.

After the occurance of New Moon day , next day was Pitipada and so on.

It is quite possible that He was born on Ninth day from New-Moon day but

mathmetical Tithi might

be Astmi. How to prove this. There is no way to know it.

In case , Moon was in slow Motion on his days of birth , this is a possibility.

In those days ,people were following 5 years of yuga cycle , and one yuga were

having

62 months , probably , of 30 days each.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

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Dear Goelji,Further as a corollary to the last mail it appears that when it was told that the grahas were exalted or in their own house it may also mean as follows (as Rashi was not used in the times of Ramayana) :The Surya was exalted in the Ashwini Nakshatra. Chandra was in Punarvasu Nakshatra (as mentioned). Mangal was exalted in the Dhanistha Nakshatra, which it rules and is its own house in that sense . Mercury was in Revati, which it rules and so its own house (though generally Budha is said to be debilitated in Meen). Brihaspati was in Punarvasu, which it rules and hence its own. house. Shukra was exalted in Revati Nakshatra, which is ruled by its friend Budha. Saturn was exalted in Swati whose ruler was Rahu. I hope the learned members will

give their valuable comments.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

[Guest guest]

Dear Goelji,

 

There is another approach, which appears more probable and that is of

Kshayapksha, where one tithi does not get a day. For example :

 

On Day-1 the Sun was at 23 degree Meen and it is the Amavashya tithi at

Sun-rise and that tithi lasted till about 3.5 hours after the Sunrise.

 

On Day-7 the Sun was at 29 degree Meen and it was the Sasthi tithi at Sun-rise

but the tithi lasted only about half an hour after Sunrise. thereafter the

Saptami tithi started and it was over before the next Sun-rise. then the Ashtami

started less than half an hour before the Sun-rise. Thus there was one

kshaya-tithi on that day.

 

On Day-8 the Sun was at 30 degree Meen and it was the Ashtami tithi at Sun-rise

and the Ashtami tithi lasted till about one hour to the next Sun-rise and then

the Navami tith started in the late night itself.

 

On Day-9 the Sun was at 1 degree Mesh and it was the Navami tithi at Sunrise.

That day lord Rama was born at noon.

 

I am sure in our forum we will have scholars, who may consider that the mighty

intellectual Vedavyasa, whom the Bhagawat Purana calls an Avatara of Lord

Vishnu, as well as the great composer of the Balakanda, whoever he was, may not

be wrong after all. If this work-out helps them appreciate that possibility I

shall feel amply rewarded rewarded for this effort.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937for it.

 

Friday, August 29, 2008 9:34:30 AM

Re:Birth particular's of Lord Rama

 

 

Dear Sir,

This anamoly is not resolved as yet.

If you take Sun on Zero degrees Aries and Moon at 3deg 20' Cancer,

this adds up to a angular distance of 93deg 20' only.

In the days of Lord Rama , probably mathmetical Lunar Tithis were not in use.

After the occurance of New Moon day , next day was Pitipada and so on.

It is quite possible that He was born on Ninth day from New-Moon day but

mathmetical Tithi might

be Astmi. How to prove this. There is no way to know it.

In case , Moon was in slow Motion on his days of birth , this is a possibility.

In those days ,people were following 5 years of yuga cycle , and one yuga were

having

62 months , probably , of 30 days each.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

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Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Friday, 29 August, 2008 8:28:38 PM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Date of Ramayana and Mahabharata

 

 

Dear Goelji,

 

What according to you is the figure if the Sun is in 30 degree Meen? Rest after

hearing from you.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Friday, August 29, 2008 7:13:13 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Date of Ramayana and Mahabharata

 

Dear Bhattacharjya,

According to your calculations , maximum angular distance between Sun and Moon

92 deg.

Lord Rama was born on Sukla Nabmi(9), thus their angular distance should not be

less than 96 deg

(12*8)=96.

How are you going to cover this anomoly.

Regarda,

 

G.K.GOEL

[Guest guest]

dear Mr.Sunil,

 

Really there is no way to resolve these issues . We also do not know ,

if Udya tithi were in use in those days.

I hope you may be aware that the  nativities of all Vishnu Avtar's will

always have Moon in Lagna.

It appears there were some norms in constructing the nativities of Avtars which

we are not fully aware.

It is not merely Astronomy.

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

 

Saturday, 30 August, 2008 7:32:32 AM

Re:Birth particular's of Lord Rama

 

 

Dear Goelji,

 

There is another approach, which appears more probable and that is of

Kshayapksha, where one tithi does not get a day. For example :

 

On Day-1 the Sun was at 23 degree Meen and it is the Amavashya tithi at Sun-rise

and that tithi lasted till about 3.5 hours after the Sunrise.

 

On Day-7 the Sun was at 29 degree Meen and it was the Sasthi tithi at Sun-rise

but the tithi lasted only about half an hour after Sunrise. thereafter the

Saptami tithi started and it was over before the next Sun-rise. then the Ashtami

started less than half an hour before the Sun-rise. Thus there was one

kshaya-tithi on that day.

 

On Day-8 the Sun was at 30 degree Meen and it was the Ashtami tithi at Sun-rise

and the Ashtami tithi lasted till about one hour to the next Sun-rise and then

the Navami tith started in the late night itself.

 

On Day-9 the Sun was at 1 degree Mesh and it was the Navami tithi at Sunrise.

That day lord Rama was born at noon.

 

I am sure in our forum we will have scholars, who may consider that the mighty

intellectual Vedavyasa, whom the Bhagawat Purana calls an Avatara of Lord

Vishnu, as well as the great composer of the Balakanda, whoever he was, may not

be wrong after all. If this work-out helps them appreciate that possibility I

shall feel amply rewarded rewarded for this effort.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjta

[Guest guest]

Dear Goelji,I wish we had received this message in the beginning of the discussions on this thread so that we could have saved some time and energy.. It is also said that Lord Ram's horoscope is unique and such combinations will never be seen againRegards,Sunil K. BhattacharjyaGopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:17:53 AMRe: Re:Birth particular's

of Lord Rama

 

 

dear Mr.Sunil,

 

Really there is no way to resolve these issues . We also do not know ,

if Udya tithi were in use in those days.

I hope you may be aware that the  nativities of all Vishnu Avtar's will always have Moon in Lagna.

It appears there were some norms in constructing the nativities of Avtars which we are not fully aware.

It is not merely Astronomy.

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Saturday, 30 August, 2008 7:32:32 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Birth particular's of Lord Rama

 

Dear Goelji,

 

There is another approach, which appears more probable and that is of Kshayapksha, where one tithi does not get a day. For example :

 

On Day-1 the Sun was at 23 degree Meen and it is the Amavashya tithi at Sun-rise and that tithi lasted till about 3.5 hours after the Sunrise.

 

On Day-7 the Sun was at 29 degree Meen and it was the Sasthi tithi at Sun-rise but the tithi lasted only about half an hour after Sunrise. thereafter the Saptami tithi started and it was over before the next Sun-rise. then the Ashtami started less than half an hour before the Sun-rise. Thus there was one kshaya-tithi on that day.

 

On Day-8 the Sun was at 30 degree Meen and it was the Ashtami tithi at Sun-rise and the Ashtami tithi lasted till about one hour to the next Sun-rise and then the Navami tith started in the late night itself.

 

On Day-9 the Sun was at 1 degree Mesh and it was the Navami tithi at Sunrise. That day lord Rama was born at noon.

 

I am sure in our forum we will have scholars, who may consider that the mighty intellectual Vedavyasa, whom the Bhagawat Purana calls an Avatara of Lord Vishnu, as well as the great composer of the Balakanda, whoever he was, may not be wrong after all. If this work-out helps them appreciate that possibility I shall feel amply rewarded rewarded for this effort.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjta