History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka

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History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka

- Writte by Sreenadh OG

“Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna is an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides us with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available and some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North Indian origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as well. In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and find out. The given quote is as follows •

Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat

Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam

(RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)

[sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called Tajik system of astrology]

The following points should be noted •

1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka. From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th century. It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the word ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular. Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to that itself.

2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to do with Tajikistan?

As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian kingdom in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg). It is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara and the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to AD 200.

 

Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so • the westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies their false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western favoritism in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is good that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome, Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander, God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!

 

Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the presence of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century ALONE surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others? But they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They will try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!

 

It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history of knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that prompts them to -

· Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history

· Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000 Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king Alexander’s Invasion to India.

 

The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and Indian knowledge.

3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info that •

· Ionians were Sun worshipers

· Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an Ionian connection or vice versa.

History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do not progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized people who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.

· They destroyed the Crete culture

· They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge • but alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!

· They destroyed the Ionian culture

 

Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized than Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.

4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The quote may mean the following •

· Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma (Brahma worshipers)

· Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun worshipers)

· Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia

· Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.

 

Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows! Such doubts will remain unanswered for long.

5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad Daivajna Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?

This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons •

· Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there is nothing much in common between these quotes.

· It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama Deena Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he wanted to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was included only because it was available and it too says that astrology started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that says that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.

Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention of corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto us.

 

Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope you enjoyed this article.

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Dear Sreenadhi,

 

I had read your mail immediately as it came in, but did not offer my

comments on same for I did a hurried reading, and also do not know much

about history related to astrology in front of your immense resources.

 

But i did wish to comment on AKK, but restrained myself, as that time

the words coming in my mind for him were not worthy of your forum, so I

held back.

 

Love and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I

> wonder why?!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

>

> History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka

>

> - Writte by Sreenadh OG

>

> “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna

is

> an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides

us

> with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available

and

> some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North

Indian

> origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as

well.

> In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a

> treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik

> system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due

> to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and

find

> out. The given quote is as follows •

>

> Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat

>

> Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam

>

> (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)

>

> [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of

> astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The

> system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called

> Tajik system of astrology]

>

> The following points should be noted •

>

> 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the

> astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka.

> From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th

century.

> It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology

> as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to

> ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD

> 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the

word

> ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular.

> Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though

> of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this

> system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to

that

> itself.

>

> 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik

> astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to

do

> with Tajikistan?

>

> As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian

kingdom

> in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:

> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg

> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> ).

It

> is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If

> the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period

> (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of

> Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of

> Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara

and

> the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit

> Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this

> Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to

AD

> 200.

>

>

>

> Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to

> here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India

> or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts

> it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual

> form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity

> of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage

> Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •

the

> westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies

their

> false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western

> scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western

favoritism

> in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without

> study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is

good

> that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,

> Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander,

> God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja

> and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!

>

>

>

> Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based

> on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present

> in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of

> Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to

> Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western

> favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the

presence

> of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century

ALONE

> surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any

> ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior

> Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any

> absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd

> century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and

> getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other

> Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century

> survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?

But

> they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They

will

> try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India

> came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!

>

>

>

> It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history

of

> knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that

> prompts them to -

>

> · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history

>

> · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or

> that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000

> Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king

> Alexander’s Invasion to India.

>

>

>

> The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to

> see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant

> favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and

> Indian knowledge.

>

> 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system

> (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info

> that •

>

> · Ionians were Sun worshipers

>

> · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an

> Ionian connection or vice versa.

>

> History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do

not

> progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient

> civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized

people

> who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.

>

> · They destroyed the Crete culture

>

> · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great

> classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that

> was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •

but

> alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric

> destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!

>

> · They destroyed the Ionian culture

>

>

>

> Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized

than

> Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not

> deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture

> • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.

>

> 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that

> the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the

> people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The

quote

> may mean the following •

>

> · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma

> (Brahma worshipers)

>

> · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun

> worshipers)

>

> · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia

>

> · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.

>

>

>

> Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun

> worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya

> civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture

> (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities

> • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with

> Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!

Such

> doubts will remain unanswered for long.

>

> 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be

> addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad

Daivajna

> Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?

>

> This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons

•

>

> · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that

> states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of

> astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and

> Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that

> ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there

is

> nothing much in common between these quotes.

>

> · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was

> not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama

Deena

> Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was

> modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva

> Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he

wanted

> to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was

> included only because it was available and it too says that astrology

> started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or

> discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system

> happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that

says

> that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.

>

> Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by

> ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat

> Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention

of

> corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere

> reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto

> us.

>

>

>

> Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka

> helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and

> astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to

> understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt

> the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope

you

> enjoyed this article.

>

> - 0-

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All, I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I wonder why?!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:

History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka

- Writte by Sreenadh OG

“Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna is an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides us with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available and some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North Indian origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as well. In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and find out. The given quote is as follows •

Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat

Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam

(RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)

[sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called Tajik system of astrology]

Tajika is the best system available to the world, including theIndians and the Westerners who have adopted this system with variations, as regards to Solar returns, and Progressions, which is nothing but a corrupted fprm of the Tajika.

The following points should be noted •

1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka. From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th century. It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the word ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular. Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to that itself.

Russia is also the place where Hanumanji used to " vichara " or roam about, so no wonder about the remnants of our Indian beliefes and practises available from here.

2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to do with Tajikistan?

As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian kingdom in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg). It is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara and the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to AD 200.

 

Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so • the westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies their false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western favoritism in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is good that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome, Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander, God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!

 

Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the presence of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century ALONE surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others? But they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They will try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!

idiots saying that Amitabh bachhan is a ordinary man does not make him ordinary. Idiots shouting from roof tops that India is a poor country does not make it poor. These big mouths have robbed India of its treasuries including the " Kohinoor" and " Sword of Tipu Sultan " and millions of such treasures, and after dividing India on basis if Caste and Varna systems, and allowing Moslem Invaders to break India, into 3 parts, and still burning, they talk Big.

It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history of knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that prompts them to -

· Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history

· Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000 Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king Alexander’s Invasion to India.

 

The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and Indian knowledge.

3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info that •

· Ionians were Sun worshipers

· Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an Ionian connection or vice versa.

History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do not progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized people who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.

· They destroyed the Crete culture

· They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge • but alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!

· They destroyed the Ionian culture

 

Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized than Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.

4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The quote may mean the following •

· Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma (Brahma worshipers)

· Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun worshipers)

· Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia

· Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.

 

Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows! Such doubts will remain unanswered for long.

All astrology in In this world is basically coming from theancinet Indians, we have thousands of instances to prove this. Then whats the doubt ???

5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad Daivajna Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?

This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons •

· Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there is nothing much in common between these quotes.

· It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama Deena Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he wanted to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was included only because it was available and it too says that astrology started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that says that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.

Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention of corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto us.

 

Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope you enjoyed this article.

Thes rascals are corrupting still, the Indian history by not teaching the school children the great Men of India, in their school books, but do not worry, there are thousands like me still living, who will bring in a revolution, sooner or later........Let them touch the Rama setu, then you will see what we can do.................

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

- 0

 

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> wonder why?!> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna is> an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides us> with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available and> some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North Indian> origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as well.> In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a> treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik> system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due> to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and find> out. The given quote is as follows •> > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of> astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The> system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called> Tajik system of astrology]> > The following points should be noted •> > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the> astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka.> From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th century.> It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology> as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD> 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the word> ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular.> Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though> of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this> system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to that> itself.> > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik> astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to do> with Tajikistan?> > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian kingdom> in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> ). It> is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If> the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period> (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara and> the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit> Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to AD> 200.> > > > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to> here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India> or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts> it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual> form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity> of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so • the> westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies their> false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western> scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western favoritism> in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without> study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is good> that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander,> God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja> and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> > > > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based> on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present> in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to> Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western> favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the presence> of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century ALONE> surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior> Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any> absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd> century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and> getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other> Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others? But> they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They will> try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India> came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> > > > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history of> knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that> prompts them to -> > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> Alexander’s Invasion to India.> > > > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to> see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant> favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and> Indian knowledge.> > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info> that •> > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> Ionian connection or vice versa.> > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do not> progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient> civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized people> who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> > · They destroyed the Crete culture> > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that> was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge • but> alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!> > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> > > > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized than> Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not> deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.> > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the> people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The quote> may mean the following •> > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> (Brahma worshipers)> > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> worshipers)> > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> > > > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya> civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows! Such> doubts will remain unanswered for long.> > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad Daivajna> Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons •> > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of> astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and> Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there is> nothing much in common between these quotes.> > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama Deena> Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was> modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva> Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he wanted> to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was> included only because it was available and it too says that astrology> started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or> discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system> happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that says> that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by> ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention of> corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto> us.> > > > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka> helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and> astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt> the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope you> enjoyed this article.> > - 0->

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Hare ramakrishna

dear respected bhaskar ji

 

u r mail ( also it is missing ur writing) invited my attention that i forget to write some thing abt it as i got busy .thanks ,this post by sri sreenadh ji is a gr8 finding and our tool to answer all ppl who says we got astrology frm greek or babylonia .Also it shows the antiquity of vedic astrology even b4 parasara as every one claims or blvs too .

i admire sreendh for this article tho i called him and told this in person too .

thanks for posting this

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > > Dear All,> I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> wonder why?!> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna is> an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides us> with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available and> some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North Indian> origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as well.> In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a> treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik> system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due> to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and find> out. The given quote is as follows •> > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of> astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The> system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called> Tajik system of astrology]> > Tajika is the best system available to the world, including theIndians> and the Westerners who have adopted this system with variations, as> regards to Solar returns, and Progressions, which is nothing but a> corrupted fprm of the Tajika.> > The following points should be noted •> > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the> astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka.> From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th century.> It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology> as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD> 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the word> ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular.> Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though> of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this> system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to that> itself.> > Russia is also the place where Hanumanji used to " vichara " or roam> about, so no wonder about the remnants of our Indian beliefes and> practises available from here.> > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik> astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to do> with Tajikistan?> > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian kingdom> in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> ). It> is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If> the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period> (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara and> the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit> Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to AD> 200.> > > > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to> here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India> or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts> it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual> form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity> of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so • the> westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies their> false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western> scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western favoritism> in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without> study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is good> that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander,> God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja> and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> > > > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based> on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present> in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to> Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western> favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the presence> of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century ALONE> surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior> Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any> absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd> century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and> getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other> Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others? But> they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They will> try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India> came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> > idiots saying that Amitabh bachhan is a ordinary man does not make him> ordinary. Idiots shouting from roof tops that India is a poor country> does not make it poor. These big mouths have robbed India of its> treasuries including the " Kohinoor" and " Sword of Tipu Sultan " and> millions of such treasures, and after dividing India on basis if Caste> and Varna systems, and allowing Moslem Invaders to break India, into 3> parts, and still burning, they talk Big.> > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history of> knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that> prompts them to -> > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> Alexander’s Invasion to India.> > > > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to> see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant> favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and> Indian knowledge.> > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info> that •> > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> Ionian connection or vice versa.> > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do not> progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient> civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized people> who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> > · They destroyed the Crete culture> > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that> was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge • but> alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!> > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> > > > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized than> Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not> deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.> > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the> people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The quote> may mean the following •> > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> (Brahma worshipers)> > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> worshipers)> > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> > > > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya> civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows! Such> doubts will remain unanswered for long.> > All astrology in In this world is basically coming from theancinet> Indians, we have thousands of instances to prove this. Then whats the> doubt ???> > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad Daivajna> Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons •> > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of> astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and> Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there is> nothing much in common between these quotes.> > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama Deena> Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was> modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva> Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he wanted> to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was> included only because it was available and it too says that astrology> started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or> discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system> happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that says> that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by> ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention of> corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto> us.> > > > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka> helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and> astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt> the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope you> enjoyed this article.> > Thes rascals are corrupting still, the Indian history by not teaching> the school children the great Men of India, in their school books, but> do not worry, there are thousands like me still living, who will bring> in a revolution, sooner or later........Let them touch the Rama setu,> then you will see what we can do.................> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > - 0> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> > wonder why?!> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> >> > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> >> > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna> is> > an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides> us> > with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available> and> > some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North> Indian> > origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as> well.> > In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a> > treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik> > system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due> > to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and> find> > out. The given quote is as follows •> >> > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> >> > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> >> > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> >> > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of> > astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The> > system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called> > Tajik system of astrology]> >> > The following points should be noted •> >> > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the> > astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka.> > From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th> century.> > It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology> > as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> > ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD> > 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the> word> > ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular.> > Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though> > of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this> > system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to> that> > itself.> >> > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik> > astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to> do> > with Tajikistan?> >> > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian> kingdom> > in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> ).> It> > is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If> > the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period> > (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> > Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> > Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara> and> > the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit> > Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> > Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to> AD> > 200.> >> >> >> > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to> > here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India> > or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts> > it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual> > form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity> > of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> > Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •> the> > westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies> their> > false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western> > scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western> favoritism> > in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without> > study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is> good> > that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> > Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander,> > God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja> > and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> >> >> >> > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based> > on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present> > in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> > Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to> > Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western> > favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the> presence> > of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century> ALONE> > surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> > ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior> > Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any> > absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd> > century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and> > getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other> > Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> > survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?> But> > they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They> will> > try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India> > came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> >> >> >> > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history> of> > knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that> > prompts them to -> >> > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> >> > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> > that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> > Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> > Alexander’s Invasion to India.> >> >> >> > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to> > see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant> > favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and> > Indian knowledge.> >> > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> > (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info> > that •> >> > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> >> > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> > Ionian connection or vice versa.> >> > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do> not> > progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient> > civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized> people> > who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> >> > · They destroyed the Crete culture> >> > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> > classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that> > was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •> but> > alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> > destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!> >> > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> >> >> >> > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized> than> > Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not> > deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> > • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.> >> > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> > the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the> > people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The> quote> > may mean the following •> >> > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> > (Brahma worshipers)> >> > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> > worshipers)> >> > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> >> > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> >> >> >> > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> > worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya> > civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> > (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> > • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> > Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!> Such> > doubts will remain unanswered for long.> >> > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> > addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad> Daivajna> > Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> >> > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons> •> >> > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> > states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of> > astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and> > Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> > ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there> is> > nothing much in common between these quotes.> >> > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> > not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama> Deena> > Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was> > modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva> > Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he> wanted> > to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was> > included only because it was available and it too says that astrology> > started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or> > discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system> > happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that> says> > that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> >> > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by> > ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> > Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention> of> > corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> > reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto> > us.> >> >> >> > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka> > helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and> > astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> > understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt> > the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope> you> > enjoyed this article.> >> > - 0-> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskaran ji,

Thanks for the comments.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear All,

> I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I

> wonder why?!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

>

> History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka

>

> - Writte by Sreenadh OG

>

> “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna

is

> an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides

us

> with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available

and

> some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North

Indian

> origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as

well.

> In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a

> treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik

> system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due

> to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and

find

> out. The given quote is as follows •

>

> Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat

>

> Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam

>

> (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)

>

> [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of

> astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The

> system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called

> Tajik system of astrology]

>

> Tajika is the best system available to the world, including theIndians

> and the Westerners who have adopted this system with variations, as

> regards to Solar returns, and Progressions, which is nothing but a

> corrupted fprm of the Tajika.

>

> The following points should be noted •

>

> 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the

> astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka.

> From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th

century.

> It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology

> as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to

> ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD

> 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the

word

> ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular.

> Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though

> of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this

> system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to

that

> itself.

>

> Russia is also the place where Hanumanji used to " vichara " or roam

> about, so no wonder about the remnants of our Indian beliefes and

> practises available from here.

>

> 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik

> astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to

do

> with Tajikistan?

>

> As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian

kingdom

> in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:

> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg

> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> ).

It

> is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If

> the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period

> (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of

> Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of

> Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara

and

> the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit

> Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this

> Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to

AD

> 200.

>

>

>

> Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to

> here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India

> or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts

> it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual

> form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity

> of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage

> Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •

the

> westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies

their

> false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western

> scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western

favoritism

> in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without

> study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is

good

> that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,

> Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander,

> God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja

> and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!

>

>

>

> Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based

> on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present

> in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of

> Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to

> Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western

> favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the

presence

> of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century

ALONE

> surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any

> ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior

> Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any

> absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd

> century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and

> getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other

> Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century

> survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?

But

> they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They

will

> try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India

> came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!

>

> idiots saying that Amitabh bachhan is a ordinary man does not make him

> ordinary. Idiots shouting from roof tops that India is a poor country

> does not make it poor. These big mouths have robbed India of its

> treasuries including the " Kohinoor " and " Sword of Tipu Sultan " and

> millions of such treasures, and after dividing India on basis if Caste

> and Varna systems, and allowing Moslem Invaders to break India, into 3

> parts, and still burning, they talk Big.

>

> It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history

of

> knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that

> prompts them to -

>

> · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history

>

> · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or

> that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000

> Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king

> Alexander’s Invasion to India.

>

>

>

> The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to

> see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant

> favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and

> Indian knowledge.

>

> 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system

> (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info

> that •

>

> · Ionians were Sun worshipers

>

> · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an

> Ionian connection or vice versa.

>

> History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do

not

> progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient

> civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized

people

> who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.

>

> · They destroyed the Crete culture

>

> · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great

> classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that

> was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •

but

> alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric

> destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!

>

> · They destroyed the Ionian culture

>

>

>

> Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized

than

> Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not

> deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture

> • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.

>

> 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that

> the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the

> people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The

quote

> may mean the following •

>

> · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma

> (Brahma worshipers)

>

> · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun

> worshipers)

>

> · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia

>

> · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.

>

>

>

> Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun

> worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya

> civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture

> (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities

> • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with

> Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!

Such

> doubts will remain unanswered for long.

>

> All astrology in In this world is basically coming from theancinet

> Indians, we have thousands of instances to prove this. Then whats the

> doubt ???

>

> 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be

> addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad

Daivajna

> Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?

>

> This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons

•

>

> · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that

> states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of

> astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and

> Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that

> ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there

is

> nothing much in common between these quotes.

>

> · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was

> not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama

Deena

> Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was

> modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva

> Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he

wanted

> to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was

> included only because it was available and it too says that astrology

> started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or

> discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system

> happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that

says

> that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.

>

> Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by

> ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat

> Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention

of

> corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere

> reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto

> us.

>

>

>

> Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka

> helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and

> astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to

> understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt

> the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope

you

> enjoyed this article.

>

> Thes rascals are corrupting still, the Indian history by not teaching

> the school children the great Men of India, in their school books, but

> do not worry, there are thousands like me still living, who will bring

> in a revolution, sooner or later........Let them touch the Rama setu,

> then you will see what we can do.................

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> - 0

, " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> > I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I

> > wonder why?!

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka

> >

> > - Writte by Sreenadh OG

> >

> > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna

> is

> > an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that

provides

> us

> > with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available

> and

> > some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North

> Indian

> > origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as

> well.

> > In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a

> > treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik

> > system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention

due

> > to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and

> find

> > out. The given quote is as follows •

> >

> > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat

> >

> > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam

> >

> > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)

> >

> > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of

> > astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians.

The

> > system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called

> > Tajik system of astrology]

> >

> > The following points should be noted •

> >

> > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the

> > astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage

Romaka.

> > From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th

> century.

> > It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of

astrology

> > as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to

> > ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to

AD

> > 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the

> word

> > ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was

popular.

> > Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is

though

> > of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to

this

> > system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to

> that

> > itself.

> >

> > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik

> > astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they

to

> do

> > with Tajikistan?

> >

> > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian

> kingdom

> > in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:

> > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg

> > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg>

).

> It

> > is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to.

If

> > the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period

> > (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of

> > Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of

> > Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara

> and

> > the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of

Sanskrit

> > Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this

> > Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200

to

> AD

> > 200.

> >

> >

> >

> > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred

to

> > here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to

India

> > or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners

puts

> > it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in

textual

> > form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the

absurdity

> > of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage

> > Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •

> the

> > westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies

> their

> > false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The

western

> > scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western

> favoritism

> > in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone

(without

> > study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is

> good

> > that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,

> > Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with

Alexander,

> > God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals,

Spujidhwaja

> > and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!

> >

> >

> >

> > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see

based

> > on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies

present

> > in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of

> > Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to

> > Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of

western

> > favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the

> presence

> > of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century

> ALONE

> > surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any

> > ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece

prior

> > Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see

any

> > absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd

> > century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and

> > getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no

other

> > Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century

> > survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?

> But

> > they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They

> will

> > try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in

India

> > came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!

> >

> >

> >

> > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable

history

> of

> > knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that

> > prompts them to -

> >

> > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history

> >

> > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or

> > that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000

> > Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king

> > Alexander’s Invasion to India.

> >

> >

> >

> > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad

to

> > see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant

> > favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and

> > Indian knowledge.

> >

> > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system

> > (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the

info

> > that •

> >

> > · Ionians were Sun worshipers

> >

> > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an

> > Ionian connection or vice versa.

> >

> > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do

> not

> > progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the

ancient

> > civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized

> people

> > who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.

> >

> > · They destroyed the Crete culture

> >

> > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great

> > classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture

that

> > was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •

> but

> > alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric

> > destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and

people!

> >

> > · They destroyed the Ionian culture

> >

> >

> >

> > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized

> than

> > Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not

> > deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture

> > • because what they destroyed was more than what they

preserved.

> >

> > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that

> > the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the

> > people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The

> quote

> > may mean the following •

> >

> > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma

> > (Brahma worshipers)

> >

> > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun

> > worshipers)

> >

> > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia

> >

> > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.

> >

> >

> >

> > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun

> > worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the

Maya

> > civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture

> > (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities

> > • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with

> > Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!

> Such

> > doubts will remain unanswered for long.

> >

> > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be

> > addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad

> Daivajna

> > Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?

> >

> > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons

> •

> >

> > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that

> > states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of

> > astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and

> > Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that

> > ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there

> is

> > nothing much in common between these quotes.

> >

> > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was

> > not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama

> Deena

> > Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was

> > modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva

> > Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he

> wanted

> > to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote

was

> > included only because it was available and it too says that

astrology

> > started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or

> > discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system

> > happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that

> says

> > that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.

> >

> > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided

by

> > ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat

> > Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special

intention

> of

> > corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere

> > reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is

upto

> > us.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage

Romaka

> > helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and

> > astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to

> > understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners

corrupt

> > the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope

> you

> > enjoyed this article.

> >

> > - 0-

> >

>

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Dear Sunil ji,//> dear respected bhaskar ji, u r mail ( also it is missing ur writing)// Bhasakrji's comments are given in RED, and is present in the previous mail.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear respected bhaskar ji> > > > u r mail ( also it is missing ur writing) invited my attention that i> forget to write some thing abt it as i got busy .thanks ,this post by> sri sreenadh ji is a gr8 finding and our tool to answer all ppl who says> we got astrology frm greek or babylonia .Also it shows the antiquity of> vedic astrology even b4 parasara as every one claims or blvs too .> > i admire sreendh for this article tho i called him and told this in> person too .> > thanks for posting this> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > , "Bhaskar"> rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear All,> > I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> > wonder why?!> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> >> > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> >> > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna> is> > an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that provides> us> > with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available> and> > some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North> Indian> > origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as> well.> > In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a> > treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik> > system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention due> > to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and> find> > out. The given quote is as follows •> >> > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> >> > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> >> > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> >> > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of> > astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians. The> > system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called> > Tajik system of astrology]> >> > Tajika is the best system available to the world, including theIndians> > and the Westerners who have adopted this system with variations, as> > regards to Solar returns, and Progressions, which is nothing but a> > corrupted fprm of the Tajika.> >> > The following points should be noted •> >> > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the> > astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage Romaka.> > From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th> century.> > It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of astrology> > as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> > ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to AD> > 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the> word> > ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was popular.> > Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is though> > of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to this> > system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to> that> > itself.> >> > Russia is also the place where Hanumanji used to " vichara " or roam> > about, so no wonder about the remnants of our Indian beliefes and> > practises available from here.> >> > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik> > astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they to> do> > with Tajikistan?> >> > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian> kingdom> > in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> ).> It> > is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to. If> > the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period> > (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> > Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> > Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara> and> > the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of Sanskrit> > Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> > Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200 to> AD> > 200.> >> >> >> > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred to> > here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to India> > or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners puts> > it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in textual> > form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the absurdity> > of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> > Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •> the> > westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies> their> > false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The western> > scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western> favoritism> > in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone (without> > study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is> good> > that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> > Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with Alexander,> > God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals, Spujidhwaja> > and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> >> >> >> > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see based> > on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies present> > in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> > Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to> > Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of western> > favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the> presence> > of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century> ALONE> > surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> > ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece prior> > Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see any> > absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd> > century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and> > getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no other> > Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> > survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?> But> > they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They> will> > try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in India> > came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> >> > idiots saying that Amitabh bachhan is a ordinary man does not make him> > ordinary. Idiots shouting from roof tops that India is a poor country> > does not make it poor. These big mouths have robbed India of its> > treasuries including the " Kohinoor" and " Sword of Tipu Sultan " and> > millions of such treasures, and after dividing India on basis if Caste> > and Varna systems, and allowing Moslem Invaders to break India, into 3> > parts, and still burning, they talk Big.> >> > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable history> of> > knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that> > prompts them to -> >> > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> >> > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> > that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> > Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> > Alexander’s Invasion to India.> >> >> >> > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad to> > see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant> > favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and> > Indian knowledge.> >> > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> > (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the info> > that •> >> > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> >> > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> > Ionian connection or vice versa.> >> > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do> not> > progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the ancient> > civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized> people> > who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> >> > · They destroyed the Crete culture> >> > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> > classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture that> > was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •> but> > alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> > destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and people!> >> > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> >> >> >> > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized> than> > Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not> > deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> > • because what they destroyed was more than what they preserved.> >> > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> > the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the> > people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The> quote> > may mean the following •> >> > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> > (Brahma worshipers)> >> > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> > worshipers)> >> > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> >> > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> >> >> >> > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> > worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the Maya> > civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> > (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> > • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> > Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!> Such> > doubts will remain unanswered for long.> >> > All astrology in In this world is basically coming from theancinet> > Indians, we have thousands of instances to prove this. Then whats the> > doubt ???> >> > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> > addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad> Daivajna> > Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> >> > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons> •> >> > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> > states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of> > astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and> > Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> > ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there> is> > nothing much in common between these quotes.> >> > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> > not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama> Deena> > Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was> > modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva> > Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he> wanted> > to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote was> > included only because it was available and it too says that astrology> > started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or> > discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system> > happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that> says> > that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> >> > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided by> > ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> > Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special intention> of> > corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> > reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is upto> > us.> >> >> >> > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage Romaka> > helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and> > astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> > understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners corrupt> > the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope> you> > enjoyed this article.> >> > Thes rascals are corrupting still, the Indian history by not teaching> > the school children the great Men of India, in their school books, but> > do not worry, there are thousands like me still living, who will bring> > in a revolution, sooner or later........Let them touch the Rama setu,> > then you will see what we can do.................> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> > - 0> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> > > wonder why?!> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> > >> > > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> > >> > > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna> > is> > > an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that> provides> > us> > > with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available> > and> > > some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North> > Indian> > > origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as> > well.> > > In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a> > > treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik> > > system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention> due> > > to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and> > find> > > out. The given quote is as follows •> > >> > > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> > >> > > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> > >> > > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> > >> > > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of> > > astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians.> The> > > system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called> > > Tajik system of astrology]> > >> > > The following points should be noted •> > >> > > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the> > > astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage> Romaka.> > > From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th> > century.> > > It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of> astrology> > > as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> > > ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to> AD> > > 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the> > word> > > ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was> popular.> > > Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is> though> > > of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to> this> > > system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to> > that> > > itself.> > >> > > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik> > > astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they> to> > do> > > with Tajikistan?> > >> > > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian> > kingdom> > > in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> > > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg>> ).> > It> > > is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to.> If> > > the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period> > > (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> > > Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> > > Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara> > and> > > the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of> Sanskrit> > > Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> > > Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200> to> > AD> > > 200.> > >> > >> > >> > > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred> to> > > here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to> India> > > or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners> puts> > > it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in> textual> > > form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the> absurdity> > > of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> > > Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •> > the> > > westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies> > their> > > false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The> western> > > scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western> > favoritism> > > in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone> (without> > > study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is> > good> > > that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> > > Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with> Alexander,> > > God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals,> Spujidhwaja> > > and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> > >> > >> > >> > > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see> based> > > on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies> present> > > in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> > > Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to> > > Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of> western> > > favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the> > presence> > > of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century> > ALONE> > > surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> > > ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece> prior> > > Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see> any> > > absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd> > > century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and> > > getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no> other> > > Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> > > survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?> > But> > > they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They> > will> > > try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in> India> > > came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> > >> > >> > >> > > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable> history> > of> > > knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that> > > prompts them to -> > >> > > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> > >> > > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> > > that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> > > Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> > > Alexander’s Invasion to India.> > >> > >> > >> > > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad> to> > > see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant> > > favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and> > > Indian knowledge.> > >> > > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> > > (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the> info> > > that •> > >> > > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> > >> > > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> > > Ionian connection or vice versa.> > >> > > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do> > not> > > progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the> ancient> > > civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized> > people> > > who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> > >> > > · They destroyed the Crete culture> > >> > > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> > > classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture> that> > > was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •> > but> > > alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> > > destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and> people!> > >> > > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> > >> > >> > >> > > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized> > than> > > Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not> > > deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> > > • because what they destroyed was more than what they> preserved.> > >> > > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> > > the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the> > > people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The> > quote> > > may mean the following •> > >> > > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> > > (Brahma worshipers)> > >> > > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> > > worshipers)> > >> > > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> > >> > > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> > >> > >> > >> > > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> > > worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the> Maya> > > civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> > > (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> > > • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> > > Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!> > Such> > > doubts will remain unanswered for long.> > >> > > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> > > addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad> > Daivajna> > > Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> > >> > > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons> > •> > >> > > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> > > states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of> > > astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and> > > Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> > > ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there> > is> > > nothing much in common between these quotes.> > >> > > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> > > not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama> > Deena> > > Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was> > > modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva> > > Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he> > wanted> > > to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote> was> > > included only because it was available and it too says that> astrology> > > started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or> > > discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system> > > happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that> > says> > > that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> > >> > > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided> by> > > ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> > > Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special> intention> > of> > > corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> > > reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is> upto> > > us.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage> Romaka> > > helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and> > > astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> > > understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners> corrupt> > > the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope> > you> > > enjoyed this article.> > >> > > - 0-> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear sreenadh ji and Bhaskaran ji

 

sorry ,i overlooked .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> //> dear respected bhaskar ji, u r mail ( also it is missing ur> writing)//> Bhasakrji's comments are given in RED, and is present in the previous> mail.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare ramakrishna> >> > dear respected bhaskar ji> >> >> >> > u r mail ( also it is missing ur writing) invited my attention that i> > forget to write some thing abt it as i got busy .thanks ,this post by> > sri sreenadh ji is a gr8 finding and our tool to answer all ppl who> says> > we got astrology frm greek or babylonia .Also it shows the antiquity> of> > vedic astrology even b4 parasara as every one claims or blvs too .> >> > i admire sreendh for this article tho i called him and told this in> > person too .> >> > thanks for posting this> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> > > wonder why?!> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> > >> > > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> > >> > > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena Daivajna> > is> > > an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that> provides> > us> > > with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them available> > and> > > some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North> > Indian> > > origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as> > well.> > > In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is a> > > treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to Tajik> > > system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention> due> > > to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and> > find> > > out. The given quote is as follows •> > >> > > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> > >> > > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> > >> > > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> > >> > > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system of> > > astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians.> The> > > system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is called> > > Tajik system of astrology]> > >> > > Tajika is the best system available to the world, including> theIndians> > > and the Westerners who have adopted this system with variations, as> > > regards to Solar returns, and Progressions, which is nothing but a> > > corrupted fprm of the Tajika.> > >> > > The following points should be noted •> > >> > > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes the> > > astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage> Romaka.> > > From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th> > century.> > > It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of> astrology> > > as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> > > ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to> AD> > > 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the> > word> > > ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was> popular.> > > Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is> though> > > of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to> this> > > system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior to> > that> > > itself.> > >> > > Russia is also the place where Hanumanji used to " vichara " or roam> > > about, so no wonder about the remnants of our Indian beliefes and> > > practises available from here.> > >> > > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of Tajik> > > astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they> to> > do> > > with Tajikistan?> > >> > > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian> > kingdom> > > in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> > > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg>> ).> > It> > > is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to.> If> > > the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic period> > > (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> > > Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> > > Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of Mahabhara> > and> > > the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of> Sanskrit> > > Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> > > Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200> to> > AD> > > 200.> > >> > >> > >> > > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred> to> > > here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to> India> > > or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners> puts> > > it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in> textual> > > form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the> absurdity> > > of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> > > Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so •> > the> > > westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies> > their> > > false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The> western> > > scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western> > favoritism> > > in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone> (without> > > study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It is> > good> > > that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> > > Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with> Alexander,> > > God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals,> Spujidhwaja> > > and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> > >> > >> > >> > > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see> based> > > on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies> present> > > in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> > > Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India to> > > Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of> western> > > favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the> > presence> > > of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century> > ALONE> > > surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> > > ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece> prior> > > Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see> any> > > absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD 2nd> > > century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century and> > > getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no> other> > > Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> > > survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not others?> > But> > > they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence! They> > will> > > try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in> India> > > came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> > >> > > idiots saying that Amitabh bachhan is a ordinary man does not make> him> > > ordinary. Idiots shouting from roof tops that India is a poor> country> > > does not make it poor. These big mouths have robbed India of its> > > treasuries including the " Kohinoor" and " Sword of Tipu Sultan "> and> > > millions of such treasures, and after dividing India on basis if> Caste> > > and Varna systems, and allowing Moslem Invaders to break India, into> 3> > > parts, and still burning, they talk Big.> > >> > > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable> history> > of> > > knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people that> > > prompts them to -> > >> > > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> > >> > > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> > > that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> > > Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> > > Alexander’s Invasion to India.> > >> > >> > >> > > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very sad> to> > > see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty ignorant> > > favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek and> > > Indian knowledge.> > >> > > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> > > (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the> info> > > that •> > >> > > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> > >> > > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> > > Ionian connection or vice versa.> > >> > > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We do> > not> > > progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the> ancient> > > civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized> > people> > > who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> > >> > > · They destroyed the Crete culture> > >> > > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> > > classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture> that> > > was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge •> > but> > > alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> > > destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and> people!> > >> > > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> > >> > >> > >> > > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and civilized> > than> > > Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does not> > > deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> > > • because what they destroyed was more than what they> preserved.> > >> > > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> > > the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught the> > > people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The> > quote> > > may mean the following •> > >> > > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> > > (Brahma worshipers)> > >> > > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> > > worshipers)> > >> > > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> > >> > > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> > >> > >> > >> > > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> > > worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the> Maya> > > civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> > > (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> > > • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> > > Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who knows!> > Such> > > doubts will remain unanswered for long.> > >> > > All astrology in In this world is basically coming from theancinet> > > Indians, we have thousands of instances to prove this. Then whats> the> > > doubt ???> > >> > > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> > > addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad> > Daivajna> > > Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> > >> > > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons> > •> > >> > > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> > > states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin of> > > astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta and> > > Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> > > ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’, there> > is> > > nothing much in common between these quotes.> > >> > > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> > > not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama> > Deena> > > Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes was> > > modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting Tatva> > > Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he> > wanted> > > to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote> was> > > included only because it was available and it too says that> astrology> > > started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss or> > > discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik system> > > happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote that> > says> > > that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> > >> > > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote provided> by> > > ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> > > Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special> intention> > of> > > corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> > > reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is> upto> > > us.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage> Romaka> > > helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology and> > > astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> > > understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners> corrupt> > > the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe. Hope> > you> > > enjoyed this article.> > >> > > Thes rascals are corrupting still, the Indian history by not> teaching> > > the school children the great Men of India, in their school books,> but> > > do not worry, there are thousands like me still living, who will> bring> > > in a revolution, sooner or later........Let them touch the Rama> setu,> > > then you will see what we can do.................> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > - 0> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > I expected at least one response to this mail, but none came! I> > > > wonder why?!> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > History of Tajik Astrology as per Romaka> > > >> > > > - Writte by Sreenadh OG> > > >> > > > “Brihat Daivajna Ranjana†by Srimad Ramadeena> Daivajna> > > is> > > > an excellent book on astrology written in 19th century, that> > provides> > > us> > > > with numerous quotes from ancient Rishi Horas some of them> available> > > and> > > > some many lost. Just like the excellent authentic texts of North> > > Indian> > > > origin like Hora Ratna and Muhurta Chintamani I love this text as> > > well.> > > > In our search of ancient and authentic sages quotes, this text is> a> > > > treasure house. I found a quote by Sage Romaka that refers to> Tajik> > > > system of astrology in this text. The quote attracts our attention> > due> > > > to various reasons. You may doubt what reasons? Let us explore and> > > find> > > > out. The given quote is as follows •> > > >> > > > Brahmana gaditam bbhanor, bhanuna yavanaya yat> > > >> > > > Yavanena cha yat proktam Tajikam tat prakasitam> > > >> > > > (RomakaH; Brihat Daivajna Ranjanam 1-9)> > > >> > > > [sage Romaka tells us that • The knowledge of Tajik system> of> > > > astrology was given by Brahma to Sun. Sun gave it to the Ionians.> > The> > > > system the Ionians explained (to the people of Tajikistan) is> called> > > > Tajik system of astrology]> > > >> > > > The following points should be noted •> > > >> > > > 1) Mihira of 6th century in his text Pancha Siddhantika, quotes> the> > > > astronomical treatise ‘Romaka Sidhanta’ by sage> > Romaka.> > > > From this it is evident that Sage Romaka lived prior to AD 5th> > > century.> > > > It is said that he wrote numerous texts in other branches of> > astrology> > > > as well such as Hora and Samhita as well. This reference to> > > > ‘Tajik system’ by sage Romaka indicate that prior to> > AD> > > > 5th century itself the system of Tajik astrology (derived from the> > > word> > > > ‘Tajiki’, the language of Tajikistan, USSR) was> > popular.> > > > Thus it proves that Tajik astrology is much ancient than it is> > though> > > > of, (the popular opinion revolves around 9th century AD origin to> > this> > > > system) and it reached India NOT along with the Arabs, but prior> to> > > that> > > > itself.> > > >> > > > 2) As per the above quote, it is to Ionians this knowledge of> Tajik> > > > astrology belongs to! But how and why Ionians? If so what has they> > to> > > do> > > > with Tajikistan?> > > >> > > > As per Mahabharata tradition and references, there was an Ionian> > > kingdom> > > > in the north-west corner of India, in Tajikistan. (URL:> > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg> > > > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg>> > ).> > > It> > > > is evident that it is to this Ionians sage Romaka is referring to.> > If> > > > the above statement can be dated back to the Mahabharata epic> period> > > > (i.e. BC 24th century and not to the actual formation period of> > > > Mahabharata text, i.e. around BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of> > > > Romaka may date back to BC 24th century. Or if the text of> Mahabhara> > > and> > > > the date of Romaka is ancient only as long as the history of> > Sanskrit> > > > Devanagari script (i.e. BC 200 to AD 200) then the period of this> > > > Mahabharata-Ionian-Romaka-Tajik period is somewhere between BC 200> > to> > > AD> > > > 200.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Again the question may remain • whether Sage Romaka referred> > to> > > > here lived prior to the period of Alexander’s invasion to> > India> > > > or after? Ascertaining whether sage Romaka is (as some westerners> > puts> > > > it) is the sage of Rome (or the knowledge from Rome present in> > textual> > > > form) or not would be another major problem. Even though the> > absurdity> > > > of the argument is evident from the fact that we never had a sage> > > > Chainaka, Sage Greekaka, Sage Lankaka or Sage Tajika and so> •> > > the> > > > westerns may not agree since connecting Romaka with Rome satisfies> > > their> > > > false ego regarding the Greeko-Roman-Christian tradition! The> > western> > > > scholars seems to be so un-scholarly and corrupted by western> > > favoritism> > > > in their arguments that based on simple word similarity alone> > (without> > > > study) they argue that Sage Poulisa is Poul of Greek (Oh God! It> is> > > good> > > > that they spared the Poul of Rome!), Romake is some one from Rome,> > > > Yavana means only Greek, astrology came to India along with> > Alexander,> > > > God Skanda is none but Alaxander worshiped by the locals,> > Spujidhwaja> > > > and Meenaraja are Greeks and so on • all utter absurdities!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Even a kid learning Indian and Greek astrology could readily see> > based> > > > on variety of diverse astrological knowledge and methodologies> > present> > > > in India and absence of ancient astrological texts except that of> > > > Ptolemy of Egypt, that astrological knowledge flow was from India> to> > > > Greek and not vice versa. But at times the corrupted minds of> > western> > > > favoritists are worse than that of kids! They will not see the> > > presence> > > > of any possible fraud in only 3 works of Ptolemy of AD 2nd century> > > ALONE> > > > surviving, where there is a total absence of availability of any> > > > ‘astrological’ (not astronomical) text from Greece> > prior> > > > Ptolemy or after Ptolemy till 13th century. They won’t see> > any> > > > absurdity in the story of Ptolemy’s Geographia Maps of AD> 2nd> > > > century, getting ‘re-constructed’ in 13th century> and> > > > getting ascribed to Ptolemy. They don’t question, why no> > other> > > > Greek astrological text between AD 2nd century to AD 13th century> > > > survived or why Ptolemy’s texts are available and not> others?> > > But> > > > they will certainly question the authority of Indian evidence!> They> > > will> > > > try to argue that any astrological or astronomical knowledge in> > India> > > > came after BC 300 Alexander’s invasion to India!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It seems to be inferiority complex about the lack of adorable> > history> > > of> > > > knowledge to the Europeans and especially to the English people> that> > > > prompts them to -> > > >> > > > · Adopt Greek history as Englishman’s history> > > >> > > > · Argue that every thing is Greek, Roman or Christian or> > > > that everything in India is much less older or came after BC 2000> > > > Christian date of world creation or after BC 300 Greek king> > > > Alexander’s Invasion to India.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The whole setup is rather pathetic than respectable. It is very> sad> > to> > > > see that even some true scholars become part of this nasty> ignorant> > > > favoritism cult when it comes to the comparative study of Greek> and> > > > Indian knowledge.> > > >> > > > 3) The sloka states that Ionians learned this astrological system> > > > (that later got named as Tajika) from Sun. This may point to the> > info> > > > that •> > > >> > > > · Ionians were Sun worshipers> > > >> > > > · Even Heliopolis based Sun worshiping tradition may have an> > > > Ionian connection or vice versa.> > > >> > > > History may not be linear; or rather it is not linear at all! We> do> > > not> > > > progress from uncivilized to civilized. In truth, most of the> > ancient> > > > civilizations/cultures of the world got destroyed by uncivilized> > > people> > > > who later became civilized. Greece was no exception.> > > >> > > > · They destroyed the Crete culture> > > >> > > > · They destroyed the culture that gave birth to great> > > > classics such as Iliad and Odyssey; they destroyed the a culture> > that> > > > was the store house of astrological and many other knowledge> •> > > but> > > > alas, some fools ascribe the Crete classics to Greeks the barbaric> > > > destroyers of that time, who destroyed the very literature and> > people!> > > >> > > > · They destroyed the Ionian culture> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Certainly the Create-Ionian culture was much advanced and> civilized> > > than> > > > Greek culture. The Greek destroyers of this ancient culture does> not> > > > deserve to be called themselves as successors of the same culture> > > > • because what they destroyed was more than what they> > preserved.> > > >> > > > 4) The quote again tells us that Brahma taught Sun; or is it that> > > > the tradition and culture of Brahma worshipers (Indians?) taught> the> > > > people of Sun worshipers and they in turn taught the Ionians? The> > > quote> > > > may mean the following •> > > >> > > > · Brahma • Culture and people who worship Brahma> > > > (Brahma worshipers)> > > >> > > > · Bhanu (Sun) - Culture and people who worship Sun (Sun> > > > worshipers)> > > >> > > > · Yavana (Ionian) - Culture and people of Ionia> > > >> > > > · Tajika - Culture and people of Tajikistan, Russia.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Tajikistan and Ionia are readily identifiable; but who are the Sun> > > > worshipers and Brahma worshipers mentioned here? Could it be the> > Maya> > > > civilization (Sun worshipers) and Sindhu-Sarasvati Indian culture> > > > (Brahma worshipers)? Or is there any other cultural possibilities> > > > • such as possibly some hidden tradition associated with> > > > Heleopolice Sun worshipers or the Indian Sun worshipers? Who> knows!> > > Such> > > > doubts will remain unanswered for long.> > > >> > > > 5) Now coming to the last but not the least point that should be> > > > addressed • Could this be an interpolated quote in Brihad> > > Daivajna> > > > Ranjana incorporated into it with an intention?> > > >> > > > This does not seems to be possible due to the following reasons> > > •> > > >> > > > · Rama Deena Daivajna was just quoting various slokas that> > > > states the opinions of various schools and texts about the origin> of> > > > astrology. He quotes from Tatva Viveka, Romaka, Surya Siddhanta> and> > > > Narada Samhita. Except for agreeing upon the statement that> > > > ‘astrology originated from Brahma, the creator’,> there> > > is> > > > nothing much in common between these quotes.> > > >> > > > · It is evident that quoting Romaka (an ancient scholar) was> > > > not intentional, ever very less the mention of Tajika system. Rama> > > Deena> > > > Daivajna was not bothered much about whether the text he quotes> was> > > > modern or ancient • it is the very reason for he quoting> Tatva> > > > Viveka, a medieval text, first and not Romaka. The only point he> > > wanted> > > > to stress is that astrology started from Brahma. The Romaka quote> > was> > > > included only because it was available and it too says that> > astrology> > > > started from Brahma. Rama Deena Daivajna neither want to discuss> or> > > > discusses Tajik astrology in his book. The reference to Tajik> system> > > > happened just because the same was present in the Romaka quote> that> > > says> > > > that ‘astrology started from Brahma’.> > > >> > > > Thus it is evident that the quote provided is a true quote> provided> > by> > > > ancient scholar Sage Romaka, and is presented in the book Brihat> > > > Daivajna Ranjana by Rama Deena Daivajna without any special> > intention> > > of> > > > corruption or distortion of history. It is a natural and sincere> > > > reference available to us. Now what we learn based on the same is> > upto> > > > us.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thinking about a simple but informative quote provided by Sage> > Romaka> > > > helped us a lot in understanding the history of Tajik astrology> and> > > > astrology in general, I believe. The side tracking helped us to> > > > understand how much the cultural favoritism of the westerners> > corrupt> > > > the ancient Indian history and history of knowledge, I believe.> Hope> > > you> > > > enjoyed this article.> > > >> > > > - 0-> > > >> > >> >>