Re:Raja yogaBhanga Yogas and n eed for reserch

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Chakraborty ji,

 

Your questions also confuses us to an extent, well they are still at

basic level....so let me attempt to clarify you....

 

1) Planets in mutual kendras mean - they are in 1-4 or 1-7 or 1-10

relation between themselves. Incase of 1-4, 1-10 the planets cannot

aspect each other unless the involving planet is Saturn which has 10th

aspect. When we are saying mutual kendra, the yoga formed is

irrespective of aspects. If there is a direct aspect, the yoga strength

increases.

 

2) Parivartan or Exchange of positions between two planets is a also a

powerful yoga, they can be in any axis - example: LL in 12H and 12HL in

Lagna. In this example there is NO aspect between them. Take another

case, LL in 7H & 7HL in Lagna, here they are mutual aspect, plus also

have exchange, so this is stronger yoga than in previous example.

Reason for in first case the relation between planets is 2-12 axis, in

second case 1-7 axis.....

 

3) You are the most happiest person, for you do not have birth

details..... see other .... they are flooded with reading

requests.... !!! This is another reason why other astros like you !!

including Mr. Sunil Nair...

 

4) You can still learn astrology and practise techiques, with available

hororscopes of your wife & children....for all hororscopes in a family

have some connections to each other.....an good astrologer would be able

to find those linkages....

 

5) In earlier issues of Journal Of Astrology { Think May 1998...etc.}

there was a research article, where hororscopes of Wife + 4 or 5

children were analyzed to find birth data of husband/father..... {

reverse engineering...in your IOCL Language}

 

6) I will later analyse a set of family hororscopes on the lines of

Point No. 5, it would be long thread.... need dedicated members to raise

technical queries...to make it interesting....so waiting for right

time.... to show how in God's creation, a powerful tool like astrology

can see the threads of linkages within a family.... love, hatred,

differences, ill health, death...etc..

 

7) So far in this group's messages, we have been dealing only with

individual predictions, the next stage is to predict everything about

his family other than the individual....father, mother, brothers,

sisters...etc.. and then cross check the same with correct data of a

brother or sister or father or mother.....

 

8) See the recent mail of mine, where I specifically requested Mr. Gopu

ji to give info on a native's mother education & longevity- in a chart

given by him... where he replied mother's 85 yrs longevity!! Find it

interesting ??

 

Any questions, keep shooting...... secret or hidden....from friends /

relatives....does not mater... ask straight........ My promise....you

will get honest answers in this group.....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

Dear Sunil-ji,

 

Let me honestly share my understanding....

 

1) My confusion was on very basic level....

 

There is some rule / saying that planets in kendra to each other

influences each other - like in GK yoga. Similarly, parivartana is also

a strong relation. Whether these relations can substitute the Aspect ?

 

2) I do like studying astrology... but it is hidden from my friends

/relatives.

My own DOB is not sure ... it may be off by 1 day / 1 week or even a

year. I have assumed a DOB... just for the heck of it. (My Kundli was

lost and my mother (76 yrs old) and elder siblings tell different

dates etc.) And somehow for last few months... I don't want to know

it.

 

So, I do not have a specific chart in my mind. If it were there, I

would have asked straight.

 

regards

 

chakraborty

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji and group,While on the topic of Raja yogas and Raja yoga bhangas, I am reminded of the rajas of the real type.Queen Elizabeth, the eternal Rani and her son Charles, the eternal Rajkumar.

Prince Charles is Britain's longest-serving king-in-waiting, going to be 60 shortly, surpassing the age of Edward VII when he succeeded Queen Victoria to the throne in 1901. Though he officially became heir apparent at the age of three in 1952, when his grandfather George VI died and his mother became Queen, but no prince born to be king has had to endure the no man's land of expectation for as long as Charles.

"Charles realised long ago that he would spend most of his life as heir, not as king," a former aide had one once said. "His is a family marked by longevity and his mother is in good health.Prince Charles should be having strong raj yogas to have taken birth in the first royal family of the world. But also, there must be factors that stop him from becoming the real king.

And what about the queen? What are the indications that she will stay put and let her son wait forever in the wings?Is there any possibility for Prince Charles to occupy the coveted throne? If so, he will be 'Kitne din ka Raja'.

Or is it possible that the gaddi is passed down directly to Prince Williams?Here's the data for both:Queen Elizabeth : April 21, 1926, 2:40 AM, London, England 0W10 51N30

Prince Charles: Nov. 14, 1948, 9:14 PM, London, England, UK, 0W10 51N30(the data might not be very accurate, but suffices our purpose)I hope members will try their hand at these charts and come up with various factors responsible for the situation.

Also, Sunil ji, I wanted to ask you about the role of retrogression. The Raja yoga is also affected by retrogression, isn't it?RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Namaste Neelam ji,

//Also, Sunil ji, I wanted to ask you about the role of retrogression. The Raja yoga is also affected by retrogression, isn't it?//

Just sharing my view on this:

Generally, classics state, planet forming the Yoga, should NOT be in retrogression. Though combust planet(s), is supposed to dilute the yoga.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenivas-ji,

 

What I have understood from your reply is...

 

Although Yoga and Aspect indicates relationship, Yoga

can not substitute Aspect.

 

My own confusion is due to some reading about

kemadruma yoga....where it is stated that, among

other requirements, like

 

- No planet in 2/12 of Moon (Sun, R/K excluded).

- No Aspect on Moon

- No Planet in Kendra to Moon

 

The above indicates a position where Moon is

isolated... no connections to Moon.

 

Same is mitigated to some extent if GK yoga is

there-- which, to me, indicated that Yoga may,

to some extent, substitute Aspect.

 

Regarding DOB part, I was not very happy about

it in past. Even I joined the Naadi astrology group.

Then I met a collegue from Patna who has gone

to Naadi astrologer. The Naadi expert told him that

no career growth after 36 yrs of age. The person is

demotivated. That changed my outlook.

 

Before that I requested Sreenadh-ji once about

whether he can tell whether my assumed DOB is

correct or not as per Prashna. (Luckily he refused

point blank.. for which I am grateful NOW).

 

Once I have approached Senior astrologer for

a natal chart interpretation. But I have asked for

one of my friends daughter.... not for my sons.

I somehow don't want to do it. May be I am afraid

someway.

 

'Sorry for the longish reply. Hopefully, I have

cleared my position.

 

regards

 

chakraborty

 

 

 

 

 

 

sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]

Monday, August 25, 2008 11:14 AM

 

Re:Raja yogaBhanga Yogas and n eed for

reserch

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Chakraborty ji,

 

Your questions also confuses us to an extent, well they are still at

basic level....so let me attempt to clarify you....

 

1) Planets in mutual kendras mean - they are in 1-4 or 1-7 or 1-10

relation between themselves. Incase of 1-4, 1-10 the planets cannot

aspect each other unless the involving planet is Saturn which has 10th

aspect. When we are saying mutual kendra, the yoga formed is

irrespective of aspects. If there is a direct aspect, the yoga strength

increases.

 

2) Parivartan or Exchange of positions between two planets is a also a

powerful yoga, they can be in any axis - example: LL in 12H and 12HL in

Lagna. In this example there is NO aspect between them. Take another

case, LL in 7H & 7HL in Lagna, here they are mutual aspect, plus also

have exchange, so this is stronger yoga than in previous example.

Reason for in first case the relation between planets is 2-12 axis, in

second case 1-7 axis.....

 

3) You are the most happiest person, for you do not have birth

details..... see other .... they are flooded with reading

requests.... !!! This is another reason why other astros like you !!

including Mr. Sunil Nair...

 

4) You can still learn astrology and practise techiques, with available

hororscopes of your wife & children....for all hororscopes in a family

have some connections to each other.....an good astrologer would be able

to find those linkages....

 

5) In earlier issues of Journal Of Astrology { Think May 1998...etc.}

there was a research article, where hororscopes of Wife + 4 or 5

children were analyzed to find birth data of husband/father..... {

reverse engineering...in your IOCL Language}

 

6) I will later analyse a set of family hororscopes on the lines of

Point No. 5, it would be long thread.... need dedicated members to raise

technical queries...to make it interesting....so waiting for right

time.... to show how in God's creation, a powerful tool like astrology

can see the threads of linkages within a family.... love, hatred,

differences, ill health, death...etc..

 

7) So far in this group's messages, we have been dealing only with

individual predictions, the next stage is to predict everything about

his family other than the individual....father, mother, brothers,

sisters...etc.. and then cross check the same with correct data of a

brother or sister or father or mother.....

 

8) See the recent mail of mine, where I specifically requested Mr. Gopu

ji to give info on a native's mother education & longevity- in a chart

given by him... where he replied mother's 85 yrs longevity!! Find it

interesting ??

 

Any questions, keep shooting...... secret or hidden....from friends /

relatives....does not mater... ask straight........ My promise....you

will get honest answers in this group.....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology , " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

Dear Sunil-ji,

 

Let me honestly share my understanding....

 

1) My confusion was on very basic level....

 

There is some rule / saying that planets in kendra to each other

influences each other - like in GK yoga. Similarly, parivartana is also

a strong relation. Whether these relations can substitute the Aspect ?

 

2) I do like studying astrology... but it is hidden from my friends

/relatives.

My own DOB is not sure ... it may be off by 1 day / 1 week or even a

year. I have assumed a DOB... just for the heck of it. (My Kundli was

lost and my mother (76 yrs old) and elder siblings tell different

dates etc.) And somehow for last few months... I don't want to know

it.

 

So, I do not have a specific chart in my mind. If it were there, I

would have asked straight.

 

regards

 

chakraborty

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear chakraborty ji

yes ,i understood ur confusion ,here a planet in kendra means there is partial aspect according to vedic astrology but i dont know if it is suffienct that is why i told u ,i dont know wheter the rishi who said no aspect for lagna or moon is raja yoga bhanga ,he considered or is he keeping in mind with those spl aspects too .But my logic says it shud b so .That is why i asked u is there is any spl charts in ur maind .

parivarthana now u might hav got a good amnt of idea by now as it showthat effect in chart too .so we hav treat pllanets in own sign too .

 

hope we cleared each other and no confusion .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sreenivas-ji,> > What I have understood from your reply is...> > Although Yoga and Aspect indicates relationship, Yoga> can not substitute Aspect. > > My own confusion is due to some reading about > kemadruma yoga....where it is stated that, among > other requirements, like> > - No planet in 2/12 of Moon (Sun, R/K excluded).> - No Aspect on Moon> - No Planet in Kendra to Moon> > The above indicates a position where Moon is > isolated... no connections to Moon.> > Same is mitigated to some extent if GK yoga is > there-- which, to me, indicated that Yoga may,> to some extent, substitute Aspect.> > Regarding DOB part, I was not very happy about> it in past. Even I joined the Naadi astrology group.> Then I met a collegue from Patna who has gone> to Naadi astrologer. The Naadi expert told him that> no career growth after 36 yrs of age. The person is> demotivated. That changed my outlook.> > Before that I requested Sreenadh-ji once about> whether he can tell whether my assumed DOB is> correct or not as per Prashna. (Luckily he refused> point blank.. for which I am grateful NOW).> > Once I have approached Senior astrologer for > a natal chart interpretation. But I have asked for > one of my friends daughter.... not for my sons.> I somehow don't want to do it. May be I am afraid> someway.> > 'Sorry for the longish reply. Hopefully, I have> cleared my position.> > regards> > chakraborty > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]> Monday, August 25, 2008 11:14 AM> > Re:Raja yogaBhanga Yogas and n eed for> reserch> > > > > Dear Mr. Chakraborty ji,> > Your questions also confuses us to an extent, well they are still at> basic level....so let me attempt to clarify you....> > 1) Planets in mutual kendras mean - they are in 1-4 or 1-7 or 1-10> relation between themselves. Incase of 1-4, 1-10 the planets cannot> aspect each other unless the involving planet is Saturn which has 10th> aspect. When we are saying mutual kendra, the yoga formed is> irrespective of aspects. If there is a direct aspect, the yoga strength> increases.> > 2) Parivartan or Exchange of positions between two planets is a also a> powerful yoga, they can be in any axis - example: LL in 12H and 12HL in> Lagna. In this example there is NO aspect between them. Take another> case, LL in 7H & 7HL in Lagna, here they are mutual aspect, plus also> have exchange, so this is stronger yoga than in previous example. > Reason for in first case the relation between planets is 2-12 axis, in> second case 1-7 axis.....> > 3) You are the most happiest person, for you do not have birth> details..... see other .... they are flooded with reading> requests.... !!! This is another reason why other astros like you !!> including Mr. Sunil Nair...> > 4) You can still learn astrology and practise techiques, with available> hororscopes of your wife & children....for all hororscopes in a family> have some connections to each other.....an good astrologer would be able> to find those linkages....> > 5) In earlier issues of Journal Of Astrology { Think May 1998...etc.} > there was a research article, where hororscopes of Wife + 4 or 5 > children were analyzed to find birth data of husband/father..... {> reverse engineering...in your IOCL Language}> > 6) I will later analyse a set of family hororscopes on the lines of> Point No. 5, it would be long thread.... need dedicated members to raise> technical queries...to make it interesting....so waiting for right> time.... to show how in God's creation, a powerful tool like astrology> can see the threads of linkages within a family.... love, hatred,> differences, ill health, death...etc..> > 7) So far in this group's messages, we have been dealing only with> individual predictions, the next stage is to predict everything about> his family other than the individual....father, mother, brothers,> sisters...etc.. and then cross check the same with correct data of a> brother or sister or father or mother.....> > 8) See the recent mail of mine, where I specifically requested Mr. Gopu> ji to give info on a native's mother education & longevity- in a chart> given by him... where he replied mother's 85 yrs longevity!! Find it> interesting ??> > Any questions, keep shooting...... secret or hidden....from friends /> relatives....does not mater... ask straight........ My promise....you> will get honest answers in this group.....> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> Dear Sunil-ji,> > Let me honestly share my understanding....> > 1) My confusion was on very basic level....> > There is some rule / saying that planets in kendra to each other > influences each other - like in GK yoga. Similarly, parivartana is also> a strong relation. Whether these relations can substitute the Aspect ?> > 2) I do like studying astrology... but it is hidden from my friends> /relatives.> My own DOB is not sure ... it may be off by 1 day / 1 week or even a > year. I have assumed a DOB... just for the heck of it. (My Kundli was> lost and my mother (76 yrs old) and elder siblings tell different> dates etc.) And somehow for last few months... I don't want to know> it.> > So, I do not have a specific chart in my mind. If it were there, I> would have asked straight.> > regards> > chakraborty> > >

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear neelam ji

yes,retrograde planets cannot sustain raja yogas or even it is not considered as full fledged yoga giver in pancha maha purush or even gaja kesari yogas ,if the planet is having good planets in 2/12 position then it may giv some more effct ,other wise not .this is my logic and i am not sure 100% .

combustion no way can giv any yogas ,also heavily afflicted planets .

 

this reminds me of one astro _fraud trying to teach ssji on his PM yogas in some other grp in own chart ,and ssji dont open his mouth seeing the pathetic position of his hamsa yoga ,but that nativ is thinking this yoga has already made him paramahamsa and giving lot of fake predictions which prooving wrong on daily basis ( but he claims it is given by matha ji in darsahan and expects ppl will forget his failed predictions in due cource )

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji and group,> > While on the topic of Raja yogas and Raja yoga bhangas, I am reminded of the> rajas of the real type.> > Queen Elizabeth, the eternal Rani and her son Charles, the eternal Rajkumar.> > Prince Charles is Britain's longest-serving king-in-waiting, going to be 60> shortly, surpassing the age of Edward VII when he succeeded Queen Victoria> to the throne in 1901. Though he officially became heir apparent at the age> of three in 1952, when his grandfather George VI died and his mother became> Queen, but no prince born to be king has had to endure the no man's land of> expectation for as long as Charles.> > "Charles realised long ago that he would spend most of his life as heir, not> as king," a former aide had one once said. "His is a family marked by> longevity and his mother is in good health.> > Prince Charles should be having strong raj yogas to have taken birth in the> first royal family of the world. But also, there must be factors that stop> him from becoming the real king.> And what about the queen? What are the indications that she will stay put> and let her son wait forever in the wings?> Is there any possibility for Prince Charles to occupy the coveted throne? If> so, he will be 'Kitne din ka Raja'.> Or is it possible that the gaddi is passed down directly to Prince Williams?> > Here's the data for both:> Queen Elizabeth : April 21, 1926, 2:40 AM, London, England 0W10 51N30> Prince Charles: Nov. 14, 1948, 9:14 PM, London, England, UK, 0W10 51N30> (the data might not be very accurate, but suffices our purpose)> > I hope members will try their hand at these charts and come up with various> factors responsible for the situation.> > Also, Sunil ji, I wanted to ask you about the role of retrogression. The> Raja yoga is also affected by retrogression, isn't it?> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil-ji,

 

Thanks. Now it is clear.

 

I am a bit slow. That's why I did not understand your reference

to partial aspects.

 

Regards

 

chakraborty

 

 

sunil nair [astro_tellerkerala]

Monday, August 25, 2008 12:41 PM

 

Re:Raja yogaBhanga Yogas and n eed for

reserch

 

Hare rama krishna

 

dear chakraborty ji

 

yes ,i understood ur confusion ,here a planet in kendra means there is

partial aspect according to vedic astrology but i dont know if it is

suffienct that is why i told u ,i dont know wheter the rishi who said no

aspect for lagna or moon is raja yoga bhanga ,he considered or is he

keeping in mind with those spl aspects too .But my logic says it shud b so

..That is why i asked u is there is any spl charts in ur maind .

 

parivarthana now u might hav got a good amnt of idea by now as it showthat

effect in chart too .so we hav treat pllanets in own sign too .

 

 

 

hope we cleared each other and no confusion .

 

 

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

 

 

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenivas-ji,

>

> What I have understood from your reply is...

>

> Although Yoga and Aspect indicates relationship, Yoga

> can not substitute Aspect.

>

> My own confusion is due to some reading about

> kemadruma yoga....where it is stated that, among

> other requirements, like

>

> - No planet in 2/12 of Moon (Sun, R/K excluded).

> - No Aspect on Moon

> - No Planet in Kendra to Moon

>

> The above indicates a position where Moon is

> isolated... no connections to Moon.

>

> Same is mitigated to some extent if GK yoga is

> there-- which, to me, indicated that Yoga may,

> to some extent, substitute Aspect.

>

> Regarding DOB part, I was not very happy about

> it in past. Even I joined the Naadi astrology group.

> Then I met a collegue from Patna who has gone

> to Naadi astrologer. The Naadi expert told him that

> no career growth after 36 yrs of age. The person is

> demotivated. That changed my outlook.

>

> Before that I requested Sreenadh-ji once about

> whether he can tell whether my assumed DOB is

> correct or not as per Prashna. (Luckily he refused

> point blank.. for which I am grateful NOW).

>

> Once I have approached Senior astrologer for

> a natal chart interpretation. But I have asked for

> one of my friends daughter.... not for my sons.

> I somehow don't want to do it. May be I am afraid

> someway.

>

> 'Sorry for the longish reply. Hopefully, I have

> cleared my position.

>

> regards

>

> chakraborty

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear chakraborty ji

thanks ,i like ur openness ,my language at times is villain too in fully expressing the ideas .

thanks u sir

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> > Thanks. Now it is clear.> > I am a bit slow. That's why I did not understand your reference> to partial aspects.> > Regards> > chakraborty> > > sunil nair [astro_tellerkerala]> Monday, August 25, 2008 12:41 PM> > Re:Raja yogaBhanga Yogas and n eed for> reserch> > Hare rama krishna> > dear chakraborty ji> > yes ,i understood ur confusion ,here a planet in kendra means there is> partial aspect according to vedic astrology but i dont know if it is> suffienct that is why i told u ,i dont know wheter the rishi who said no> aspect for lagna or moon is raja yoga bhanga ,he considered or is he> keeping in mind with those spl aspects too .But my logic says it shud b so> .That is why i asked u is there is any spl charts in ur maind .> > parivarthana now u might hav got a good amnt of idea by now as it showthat> effect in chart too .so we hav treat pllanets in own sign too .> > > > hope we cleared each other and no confusion .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenivas-ji,> >> > What I have understood from your reply is...> >> > Although Yoga and Aspect indicates relationship, Yoga> > can not substitute Aspect.> >> > My own confusion is due to some reading about> > kemadruma yoga....where it is stated that, among> > other requirements, like> >> > - No planet in 2/12 of Moon (Sun, R/K excluded).> > - No Aspect on Moon> > - No Planet in Kendra to Moon> >> > The above indicates a position where Moon is> > isolated... no connections to Moon.> >> > Same is mitigated to some extent if GK yoga is> > there-- which, to me, indicated that Yoga may,> > to some extent, substitute Aspect.> >> > Regarding DOB part, I was not very happy about> > it in past. Even I joined the Naadi astrology group.> > Then I met a collegue from Patna who has gone> > to Naadi astrologer. The Naadi expert told him that> > no career growth after 36 yrs of age. The person is> > demotivated. That changed my outlook.> >> > Before that I requested Sreenadh-ji once about> > whether he can tell whether my assumed DOB is> > correct or not as per Prashna. (Luckily he refused> > point blank.. for which I am grateful NOW).> >> > Once I have approached Senior astrologer for> > a natal chart interpretation. But I have asked for> > one of my friends daughter.... not for my sons.> > I somehow don't want to do it. May be I am afraid> > someway.> >> > 'Sorry for the longish reply. Hopefully, I have> > cleared my position.> >> > regards> >> > chakraborty

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear chandran ji

planets assossiated with sun can hav their rays blocked ,but we must see if sun is in arambha dgrees and said planet is very far with 20 dgree or so away ,but again it can giv bala --vridha ,mrityu problems ,depending on sign the yoga Lord is in ( male signs the first degree is child avasta and female signs the first dgrees can b mrita avasta too ) .so generaly a planet with sun cannot yield raja yoga of super kind ,

also many times sun affects the speed of the planet when it is near and this planets has a tendency to go fast too which can amnt to a sort of running with fear ( bheethavasta )

than any planets conjoined or lord of 3/6/11 or ashtamesh or planets assossiated with rahu -ketu etc will loose their yoga power as they can also become malefic functionaly .

for cancer lagna i think this hamsa yoga is not effective much unless moon also in same rasi with jupiter in cancer ,venus being in moola trikon can giv still good effects if it has no other blemishs ,

 

Many of my opinions are based on logics so may not b much textual support is there and i stand for a correction if any learned souls pointing it out my mistakes .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, skm chandran <colchandran wrote:>> > > Dear Sunilji,> I have read in a Malayalam book that Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas will not be fully effective if Ravi is conjunct the planet giving the Maha Yogas[ Ruchaka, Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Sasa]. It also says for Cancer Lagna born people, Malavya Yoga will not be fully effective since Shukra is also 11th house lord.> > May I have views on these?> > Regards,> Col.Chandran>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

 

//Here's the data for both:

Queen Elizabeth : April 21, 1926, 2:40 AM, London, England 0W10 51N30

Prince Charles: Nov. 14, 1948, 9:14 PM, London, England, UK, 0W10 51N30

(the data might not be very accurate, but suffices our purpose)//

 

The details for Queen Elizabeth as given by B.V. Raman in his book is

April 21, 1926; 1.40pm at 0W05 51N30. I agree you have mentioned about

the data not being accurate but this much variation in a BT will give

completely different chart for the same person and hence cannot serve

our purpose

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Anantha Krishnan ji,

 

Thanks for sharing your views and analysis. I also do hope that its time he

gets the throne. Given the longevity of the family, he might also wear the

crown for a few decades.

Let us see what other learned members have to say on this.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

The time given by you will give dhanur lagna, If 2.48, then it will

be Makara lagna. KNR has used 1.51AM also, which would be Dhanur

lagna. An article appeared in the J of astrology, I am reproducing

the same-

 

//Sunset of Queen Elizabeth's reign?

 

By K N Rao

Journal of Astrology

 

I was seeing the results of the transit of Saturn on 1st November

2006 into Simha, then retrograding into Karka and again entering

Simha " in July 2007. " In the meantime, came the news of the trouble

the Queen of England had with her back. It will be a dramatic and

melodramatic chapter in the history of the world including that of

England when some historical change is visible. It is the change of

the Prime Minister with Tony Blair stepping down without completing

the third term.

 

Coinciding with this will be another historical event which is that

Queen Elizabeth II will step down from the throne of England either

because of sickness or even for some more tragic reason.

 

Correct horoscope

 

First a question arises. Some people have used the horoscope of the

Queen with Dhanu lagna which is against the very spirit of sound

astrological principles which I need not elaborate here excepting

pointing out the importance of the mahadasha of Venus, the fifth and

tenth lord for Makar lagna but " sixth and eleventh lord for Dhanu. "

 

If you see the dates of birth of her children all were born, four of

them, in the mahadasha of Venus the fifth and tenth lord. So which

lagna will you give her?

 

Then you have Venus as the tenth lord also gaving her the throne of

England which had sunk into an island losing all its colonies in the

days of its imperial glory. What the queen inherited was a liquidated

empire which had started in the life of her father King George VI.

 

As soon as her Venus dasha started, she got married and conceived. In

Jaimini's Chara dasha , it was the dasha of Karka, her seventh house

with Darakaramsha, Saturn in it

 

Is there any doubt of hers being Makar lagna ?

 

I have often taken up this horoscope and demonstrated many events of

her life applying various known techniques in my class room.

 

So let there be no dispute about it being Makar lagna and Makar lagna

only.

 

All the problems of her life relating to Prince Charles and Diana

came in the mahadasha of Rahu in the sixth house both in the lagna

and the Saptamsha.

 

Now this Rahu dasha is ending on 30 October 2007. It is known as the

dasha chiddra or the handing over and taking over of two dashas, Rahu

ending and Jupiter beginning.

 

In Chara dasha in 2006, it is the dasha of Kanya which has the

Karakamsha and the antardasha of Mesha which has Gnathikaraka. It has

to be and is a period of sickness, accidents etc.

 

During this dasha chiddra, she will be eighty years old with a record

of fifty four years of reign of an empire which resembles a dried

orange on the geographical map of the world.

 

Transit of Saturn in Simha, eighth from her lagna with a saade saati

on will mark the end of her era. Can she survive till or beyond 2009.

 

( Written on 1 Nov 2006) //

 

A chart also appeared in this article which gives BT as 1.51. You are

right in saying the Bt may not be accurate. I read this article out

of interest and thought of sharing the same.

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhagwati ji,

>

> The timings may not be very correct. KN Rao has taken 2.48 as the

BT for

> queen at many places.

> We are not doing any specific calculations, talking only about the

raj yogas

> and their cancellation.

> I had sent the data in that context only.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>