Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Respected Rajesh sanathara jee, Prof Upadhyay doesn't come to the forum any more. However if you want to know about Lal Kitab go to this site: http://www.originallalkitab.com/ with regards, bhuwan lalkitab , rajesh sanathara <rajesh2dilip> wrote: > Hello Upadyayji > Good Evenig > > Muje kuch Lal Kitab ke bare me Detail Chahiye. Maine yeha ke local news paper me lalkitab ke bare me padha tha aur usne sab Rasi vise bahot hi achhe upay the tab se mere dil me hai ki me lal kitab ke bare me detail me jaan lu. > Or yeha ke newspaper main uske bare me kuch detail me nahi bataya tha. > Fir main Interne Ke through Lalkitab ki khoj ki or aap ke webside me samil ho gaya . YEAH MERI KHUSNASIBI HAI KI ME LALKITAB GROUP ME SAMIL HOO. > > Lal kitab ka Back ground kya hai aur lal kitab ke bare me kabse log jante hai. > Or iske saath me apni Birth Date de raha hu Or muje bhi Apne future me kuch madad kar sake aise kuch upay janna chahta hu . Or ho sake to uske saath meri kundli ke bare me padhkar uska brief me information dijyega. > > Plezzzzzzzzzzz......! Sir > > Birth date :28/03/1978 at 8:30pm Gujrat ----->Porbandar ----> Chhaya > > Rajesh > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Respected Pandit Arjun ji, I know that you are a great traditionalist, an authority on Rudraksha and something not many people know that you are also a very knowledgeable scholar of Tantra Shastra. Therefore with all humility at my command I would like to put forth my views on two of your observations about the Lal Kitab. Firstly, The method of casting a horoscope is absolutely the same as of the traditional astrology. Since the Lal Kitab system is based on the Bhav and not so much on Rasi it suggests that the houses be numbered all over again starting with Lagna as number one. One may not change the rasi to numbers so long as he knows that it is the Bhav which should have precedence over the rasi. Analyzing the results of planetary placements are also very similar to that of our traditional astrology. Secondly, burying Gur near a cemetery and bringing home the water from a cemetery are traditional folk remedies which have been prevalent amongst the Indian communities for ages. Lal Kitab has incorporated some of these folk practices as upaya for specific astrological purposes. Incorporating folk beliefs, rituals or remedies into its fold does not make the Lal Kitab any less traditional in its origins. As a matter of fact by doing so the Lal Kitab gets all the more close to the people it is supposed to serve. For those who might be interested in knowing more about the Lal Kitab I am posting below a small write up, by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji, which appeared in one of his groups. With great respect and regards, S P Khurana A write up on Lal Kitab by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji Question 1. What is the basis of the Lal Kitab? There are quite a few astrology paddhatis prevalent in India today, they are all either elaborations or modifications upon the traditionally accepted Vedic astrology. Across all these paddhatis the basic parameters are the same . They differ either in approach or emphasis , the aim being the same in all cases. Lal Kitab also draws its basics from the Vedic astrology , but it differs in approach or what the book calls grammar ; and the emphasis is not so much on predicting the future as on solving the problem of today , hence the importance of Upaya. The very first page of the book states the two purposes the Lal Kitab is meant for : (a ) to help remove the blockage in the flow of fortune's water and ( b ) to help erect an obstacle in the path of adversity thus saving the native from misery . Therefore I believe that the Lal Kitab is as much a part of tradition as any other paddhati . Q.2 When and how it came into existance ? There are FIVE separate publications with varying length : 1939 ed of 383 pages, 1940ed of 284 pages;1941 ed of 428 pages, 1942ed of 384 pages and finally the1952ed of 1173 pages. Surprisingly the name of the author has not been mentioned in any of these editions , instead they carry the name of the publisher , shri Girdhari Lal Sharma and his photograph. If it were an original work by any author, he definitely would have got his name on it. There are so many myths and legends about this book that it is really very difficult to sieve out the facts. These myths seem to have been woven around the book to make it look divine or some thing out of this world. Let me take them up one by one. { a ) that the book was written by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. Some people , specially from Punjab , believe that the Lal Kitab was written , as an original work, by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and he did not put his name as an author because he was in Government service under the British. I do not understand why Joshi ji could not have put his name as an author. The British might have been against writing seditious material but not a book on astrology . Even if that being true he could have used his name in the 1952 edition , there were no British then nor he was in service any longer. Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was a very honest and a saintly person, he couldn’t have claimed something that was never his. { b }that the book was revealed in a dream . Never heard of dreams in installments and that too spreading over a period of twelve years. Because that is what alone could justify five publications spread over a period of 12 or 13 years. Not many takers for this fiction. { c } that the book was received as an ilham , kind of through a revelation, thus adding mystical sanctity to the book. If that were true the Lal Kitab would be the second book in human history to be revealed to the mankind , the first being the Quran. This was an effort to make it appear as sacrosanct so that there could be no criticism or scientific evaluation of the book. This belief has done more harm than good to the book. Well no body with a scientific frame of mind is going to believe that story either. { d } that this book was written by Arun the charioteer of Sun god. Later Ravan took it away to Lanka and from there it reached the middle east. It traveled back to India. This was an effort to get the book into the Samhita ranks , like other astrological samhitas in the name of rishis ,while at the same time trying to justify the use of urdu and persian words. Not many people believe that either. The fact is very simple : this is a book of astrology and that it was first published in 1939 by shri Girdhari Lal Sharma All subsequent publications are elaborations / explanations of the original. Every thing else about the book is irrelevant. All these books are available with some individuals or in the libraries. Summarizing, all these stories about the book have been woven around by Lal Kitab semi-literates to hide their incompetence and instill in the minds of their clients an awe and reverence for the book. Reverence or faith in any system is built on its efficiency rather than through such non-scientific humbug of trying to make the book appear as divine. Therefore I believe that this book is a documentation of the then prevalent thoughts and beliefs in the Northern Hills of India. Q.3 Which Vedic parampara it comes from ? Of course from the same parampara { tradition } as many other classics of Indian astrology have come from. You have to bear in mind that this book is a result of collective wisdom of a society which had lived in isolation of the northern hills for centuries . This tradition is still in use all the way from Kashmir to the Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal. In the Punjab it came to be known as Lal kitab , because of its first documentation appeared in the red binding, As the societies living in isolation grow their own idiom , culture and points of references , similarly this tradition of astrology had also developed its own idiom and grammar. But the difference of idiom or the grammar does not make it come from any other parampara { tradition } . You know the growth of Indo-European languages. Q 4 . Lal Kitab in the context of traditional Vedic Parampara? Whether a text is in the Vedic tradition or not will largely depend on how we interpret the word Vedic and what all is included in the word vedic. Generally people think that vedic means ancient or of vedic kal â€" times of the veda. That is not true. Even some thing contemporary, of today, can be Vedic in its spirit. Therefore the word vedic represents far more and far beyond than the word is taken to mean. Those who think that vedic means of veda or some thing that had been written in sanskrit are taking a very myopic view of the word. The word ‘vedic’ is to be understood in the Indian context. Therefore any thing dealing with India, and Indian values, ethos, psyche, traditions, belief systems, and the entire gambit of indian-ness would be included in the word Vedic. Evaluating the Lal Kitab on these premises it would be evident that the Lal Kitab is very Indian and very often insists and instructs people to follow a very pious traditional way of life. No other book on astrology lays such a great emphasis on the piety of life as does the Lal Kitab. Very often the book instructs not to drink, eat meat, tell lies, give false evidence etc and emphasizes on caring for the parents, elderly, young girls, loving ones brothers and sisters. Even goes on to insist on having good relationship with sasural [ in-laws ]. Not only human being, the Lal Kitab is filled with compassion for nature be it trees [ peepal, neem etc] , animals [ cow, serpent etc ] or insects [ bhuri chinti, ants ] If all that above is not Indian or part of the centuries old Indian way of life, then what else it is. Therefore I consider that the Lal Kitab is very much a part of the Vedic tradition and values followed in India for centuries. I have not been able to find even a single instance in the Lal Kitab, that could suggest that the book is not Indian in terms of its content or form. If some one thinks that a few urdu words here and there might mean foreign influence he is grossly mistaken. Urdu was a language of the literate in Punjab. Knowledge of this language never meant a foreign influence. In his life time Pt Roopchand ji never claimed that Lal Kitab is a different system of astrology. He never claimed to have invented a new system. He never claimed that Lal Kitab is not a part of traditional Vedic astrology. He never intended the Lal Kitab to be treated as different from Vedic astrology. After all, the book was meant for the astrologers of the day and common men alike. In the early 40s every astrologer who might have read these books would have belonged to the traditional Vedic astrology. Therefore the Lal Kitab is downright Indian, upholding age old Indian values and traditions and therefore VEDIC. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friends> > for those who are not familiar with the lalkitab, it is a system of > astrology conceived by shri roopchandji of punjab, which was then the > undivided india pakistan. during his days, large muslim population > was prevalent and urdu was in vogue there as this original book was > written in urdu.> > i have studied all the various books of lalkitab six years ago when i > was in delhi and my consistent observation is that many of the > remedies recommended by lalkitab are sound in reasoning and are > mostly inhouse, inexpensive and easily doable even by the poorest > person.> > however, the very basic structure of casting a horoscope and deriving > the results of planets and placements, is contrary and alien to vedic > astrology. > > lalkitab also contain remedies like offering gud in a cemetery to > ghosts and bringing water from inside a cemetary etc. which are not > vedic in anyway.> > hence lalkitab shall not be treated as a vedic system of astrology. > but i keep praising many of its simple remedies like feeding > respective birds and animals of planets and offering food objects or > materials of planets to mollify various planets, for these remedies > are highly efficacious.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear Khurana ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for this peice of information ,and it iwll help me more > in> > understanding lal Kitab .> > > > > > > > pls keep us illuminating .> > > > > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > , "khurana_satpal"> > <khurana_satpal@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Nair ji,> > >> > > I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many times. > I> > > had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the most> > > well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times.> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > > S P Khurana> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear Bharadwaj ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt> > > ashant ji> > > > .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5> > > volumes> > > > published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as > he> > > as> > > > doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar > ji> > > is> > > > still using same technics> > > >> > > > i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b > correct> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Nirmal Kumar> > > Bhardwaj"> > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Kursija Ji,> > > > > Pranam,> > > > > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the > only> > > > > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the> > > book.> > > > > We owe great to him.> > > > > What he has written are his own views.> > > > > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he > done> > > > > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like > use> > > of> > > > > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.> > > > > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment> > > > > further.> > > > > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more> > > thrust.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal> > > > >> > > > > , "S.C. > Kursija"> > > > > sckursija@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really> > > > appreciate your> > > > > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have > written so> > > > > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan> > > Ashant> > > > > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have > good> > > > > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab > in my> > > > > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you> > > are> > > > > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to> > > > > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@> > > > > > Re: Aspects as in > Lalkitab> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab> > > > > > �> > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������> > > > > > �> > > > > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which> > > you> > > > > have done so much of work.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not> > > regularly> > > > > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal> > > Kitaab. I> > > > > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not> > > > > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is > sometimes> > > one> > > > > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.> > > > > > �> > > > > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of> > > explaining> > > > > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in > that.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Firstly it is "Rasi Drishti" or to put it correctly "House> > > Dristi> > > > > (the aspect of Houses)" and not "Graha Dtishi". Lal Kitab at > no> > > stage> > > > > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is> > > > > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and> > > ninth. It> > > > > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.> > > > > > �> > > > > > "Visible Half" and "Invisible Half"> > > > > > �> > > > > > First principle adopted is that of "Visible Half"> > > and "Invisible> > > > > Half". In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence > from> > > 2nd> > > > > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The> > > > > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and> > > > > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with > some> > > > > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in > Invisible> > > > > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life> > > > > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results > but> > > are> > > > > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not> > > > > undergo "Chakrapath Haran" while calculating longevity.> > > > > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the > Invisible> > > > > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have> > > > > aspects, no other.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)> > > > > > �> > > > > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can> > > also be> > > > > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti> > > that> > > > > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The> > > nautur> > > > > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or> > > menifestations> > > > > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as "Dwisvabahva"> > > having all> > > > > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,> > > self> > > > > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of > Maya> > > is> > > > > function of quardrants.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have > been> > > laid> > > > > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " > Abhipasyanti> > > > > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)> > > > > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth > from> > > that> > > > > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have> > > aspect> > > > > over all others as understood by "Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men"> > > > > > �> > > > > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab> > > for> > > > > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the> > > tenth> > > > > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and > the> > > chart> > > > > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one> > has> > > > Dual> > > > > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house > (the> > > > > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, > seventh> > > and> > > > > the tenth.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)> > > > > > �> > > > > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types > of> > > > > aspects:> > > > > > �> > > > > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):> > > > > > ���� -From 3 to 9.> > > > > > ���� - From 6 to 12.> > > > > > ���� - From 8 to 2.> > > > > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular> > Aspect)> > > > of Half Life aspect> > > > > > �������������� -From 3 to 11> > > > > > ������������� -From 5 to 9> > > > > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect.> > Between> > > > 6/8 and 2-12.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Then there are special condition aspects.> > > > > > �> > > > > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in > application> > > > > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of> > > > > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th > house.�> > > > Another> > > > > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.> > > Unless> > > > > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and> > > planets> > > > > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not> > > awake.> > > > > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as> > > Taurus> > > > > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not > be> > > any> > > > > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.> > > > > > �> > > > > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are> > > further> > > > > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.> > > > > > �> > > > > > For Example, there are:> > > > > > �> > > > > > Takrao Ki Dristi> > > > > > Dhoke ki Dristi> > > > > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.> > > > > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi> > > > > > Chhupi Dushmani> > > > > > �> > > > > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and > articles is> > > > > perfectly fine .> > > > > > �> > > > > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These> > > might> > > > > be wrong> > > > > > Thanks and Regards.> > > > > > Om Namo Narayana.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal> > > Kumar> > > > > Bhardwaj" <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing > the> > > > > aspect> > > > > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that > the> > > > > aspects> > > > > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of> > > > > astrology. I> > > > > > > hope this document may be useful for all.> > > > > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at> > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-> Lalkitab-> > > in-> > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Nirmal> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 dear khuranaji thanks for your good words and you may appreciate that i have been consistently praising the remedies of lalkitab since several years in all groups and have appreciated the sound reasoning and logic of their correlation with the planets. the jyotish shastras written by sages were more of worshipping dieties whereas shri roopchandji was focusing more on the easy doability of a common man within his or her reach. anyway, since i liked the lalkitab remedies practical and resultoriented with proven case evidence from my own customers, i restrict to praising the remedial part of the lalkitab. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " khurana_satpal " <khurana_satpal wrote: > > > Respected Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > I know that you are a great traditionalist, an authority on > > Rudraksha and something not many people know that you > > are also a very knowledgeable scholar of Tantra Shastra. > > > > Therefore with all humility at my command I would like > > to put forth my views on two of your observations about > > the Lal Kitab. > > > > Firstly, The method of casting a horoscope is absolutely the > > same as of the traditional astrology. Since the Lal Kitab > > system is based on the Bhav and not so much on Rasi it > > suggests that the houses be numbered all over again starting > > with Lagna as number one. One may not change the rasi to > > numbers so long as he knows that it is the Bhav which should > > have precedence over the rasi. Analyzing the results of > > planetary placements are also very similar to that of our > > traditional astrology. > > > > Secondly, burying Gur near a cemetery and bringing home > > the water from a cemetery are traditional folk remedies > > which have been prevalent amongst the Indian communities > > for ages. Lal Kitab has incorporated some of these folk > > practices as upaya for specific astrological purposes. > > Incorporating folk beliefs, rituals or remedies into its fold > > does not make the Lal Kitab any less traditional in its origins. > > As a matter of fact by doing so the Lal Kitab gets all the more > > close to the people it is supposed to serve. > > > > For those who might be interested in knowing more about > > the Lal Kitab I am posting below a small write up, by > > Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji, which appeared in one of his groups. > > > > With great respect and regards, > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > A write up on Lal Kitab by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji > > > > > > Question 1. What is the basis of the Lal Kitab? > > > > There are quite a few astrology paddhatis prevalent in India today, > they are all either elaborations or modifications upon the traditionally > accepted Vedic astrology. Across all these paddhatis the basic > parameters are the same . They differ either in approach or emphasis , > the aim being the same in all cases. > > > > Lal Kitab also draws its basics from the Vedic astrology , but it > > differs in approach or what the book calls grammar ; and the > > emphasis is not so much on predicting the future as on > > solving the problem of today , hence the importance of Upaya. > > The very first page of the book states the two purposes the > > Lal Kitab is meant for : (a ) to help remove the blockage in > > the flow of fortune's water and ( b ) to help erect > > an obstacle in the path of adversity thus saving the native from > > misery . > > > > Therefore I believe that the Lal Kitab is as much a part > > of tradition as any other paddhati . > > > > Q.2 When and how it came into existance ? > > > > There are FIVE separate publications with varying length : > > 1939 ed of 383 pages, 1940ed of 284 pages;1941 ed of 428 pages, 1942ed > of 384 pages and finally the1952ed of 1173 pages. > > > > Surprisingly the name of the author has not been mentioned > > in any of these editions , instead they carry the name of the > > publisher , shri Girdhari Lal Sharma and his photograph. > > If it were an original work by any author, he definitely > > would have got his name on it. > > > > There are so many myths and legends about this book that it > > is really very difficult to sieve out the facts. These myths seem > > to have been woven around the book to make it look divine or some thing > out of this world. Let me take them up one by one. > > > > { a ) that the book was written by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. > > Some people , specially from Punjab , > > believe that the Lal Kitab was written , as an original work, > > by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and he did not put his name as an > > author because he was in Government service under the British. > > I do not understand why Joshi ji could not have put his name as an > author. > > The British might have been against writing seditious material but not a > book on astrology . Even if that being true he could have used his name > in the 1952 edition , there were no British then nor he was in service > any longer. Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was a very honest and a saintly person, > he couldn’t have claimed something that was never his. > > > > { b }that the book was revealed in a dream . > > Never heard of dreams in installments and that too spreading > > over a period of twelve years. Because that is what alone > > could justify five publications spread over a period of 12 or 13 years. > > Not many takers for this fiction. > > > > { c } that the book was received as an ilham , kind of through > > a revelation, thus adding mystical sanctity to the book. If that were > > true the Lal Kitab would be the second book in human history to be > revealed to the mankind , the first being the Quran. This was an > > effort to make it appear as sacrosanct so that there > > could be no criticism or scientific evaluation of the book. > > This belief has done more harm than good to the book. > > Well no body with a scientific frame of mind is going to > > believe that story either. > > > > { d } that this book was written by Arun the charioteer of Sun > > god. Later Ravan took it away to Lanka and from there it > > reached the middle east. It traveled back to India. This was an > > effort to get the book into the Samhita ranks , like other > > astrological samhitas in the name of rishis ,while at the same > > time trying to justify the use of urdu and persian words. > > Not many people believe that either. > > > > > > The fact is very simple : this is a book of astrology and that > > it was first published in 1939 by shri Girdhari Lal Sharma > > All subsequent publications are elaborations / explanations > > of the original. Every thing else about the book is irrelevant. > > All these books are available with some individuals or in the > > libraries. > > > > > > Summarizing, all these stories about the book have been woven > > around by Lal Kitab semi-literates to hide their incompetence and > > instill in the minds of their clients an awe and reverence for the > book. Reverence or faith in any system is built on its efficiency rather > than through such non-scientific humbug of trying to make the book > appear as divine. Therefore I believe that this book is a documentation > of the then prevalent thoughts and beliefs in the Northern Hills of > India. > > > > > > Q.3 Which Vedic parampara it comes from ? > > > > Of course from the same parampara { tradition } as > > many other classics of Indian astrology have come from. > > You have to bear in mind that this book is a result of > > collective wisdom of a society which had lived in > > isolation of the northern hills for centuries . This > > tradition is still in use all the way from Kashmir to the > > Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal. In the Punjab it came to be known > > as Lal kitab , because of its first documentation appeared in the > > red binding, > > As the societies living in isolation grow their own idiom , > > culture and points of references , similarly this tradition of > > astrology had also developed its own idiom and grammar. > > But the difference of idiom or the grammar does not make > > it come from any other parampara { tradition } . You know the growth of > Indo-European languages. > > > > Q 4 . Lal Kitab in the context of traditional Vedic Parampara? > > > > Whether a text is in the Vedic tradition or not will largely > > depend on how we interpret the word Vedic and what all > > is included in the word vedic. > > > > Generally people think that vedic means ancient or of > > vedic kal †" times of the veda. That is not true. Even some > > thing contemporary, of today, can be Vedic in its spirit. > > Therefore the word vedic represents far more and far beyond > > than the word is taken to mean. Those who think that vedic > > means of veda or some thing that had been written in sanskrit > > are taking a very myopic view of the word. > > > > The word ‘vedic’ is to be understood in the Indian > context. > > Therefore any thing dealing with India, and Indian values, > > ethos, psyche, traditions, belief systems, and the entire > > gambit of indian-ness would be included in the word Vedic. > > > > Evaluating the Lal Kitab on these premises it would be > > evident that the Lal Kitab is very Indian and very often > > insists and instructs people to follow a very pious traditional > > way of life. No other book on astrology lays such a great > > emphasis on the piety of life as does the Lal Kitab. Very > > often the book instructs not to drink, eat meat, tell lies, give > > false evidence etc and emphasizes on caring for the parents, > > elderly, young girls, loving ones brothers and sisters. Even > > goes on to insist on having good relationship with > > sasural [ in-laws ]. Not only human being, the Lal Kitab > > is filled with compassion for nature be it trees [ peepal, neem etc] , > > animals [ cow, serpent etc ] or insects [ bhuri chinti, ants ] > > > > If all that above is not Indian or part of the centuries old Indian > > way of life, then what else it is. > > > > Therefore I consider that the Lal Kitab is very much a part of > > the Vedic tradition and values followed in India for centuries. > > > > I have not been able to find even a single instance in the > > Lal Kitab, that could suggest that the book is not Indian in > > terms of its content or form. > > > > If some one thinks that a few urdu words here and there > > might mean foreign influence he is grossly mistaken. Urdu > > was a language of the literate in Punjab. Knowledge of this > > language never meant a foreign influence. > > > > In his life time Pt Roopchand ji never claimed that Lal Kitab > > is a different system of astrology. He never claimed to have > > invented a new system. He never claimed that Lal Kitab is > > not a part of traditional Vedic astrology. He never intended > > the Lal Kitab to be treated as different from Vedic astrology. > > After all, the book was meant for the astrologers of the day > > and common men alike. In the early 40s every astrologer who > > might have read these books would have belonged to the > > traditional Vedic astrology. > > > > Therefore the Lal Kitab is downright Indian, upholding age > > old Indian values and traditions and therefore VEDIC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > for those who are not familiar with the lalkitab, it is a system of > > astrology conceived by shri roopchandji of punjab, which was then the > > undivided india pakistan. during his days, large muslim population > > was prevalent and urdu was in vogue there as this original book was > > written in urdu. > > > > i have studied all the various books of lalkitab six years ago when i > > was in delhi and my consistent observation is that many of the > > remedies recommended by lalkitab are sound in reasoning and are > > mostly inhouse, inexpensive and easily doable even by the poorest > > person. > > > > however, the very basic structure of casting a horoscope and deriving > > the results of planets and placements, is contrary and alien to vedic > > astrology. > > > > lalkitab also contain remedies like offering gud in a cemetery to > > ghosts and bringing water from inside a cemetary etc. which are not > > vedic in anyway. > > > > hence lalkitab shall not be treated as a vedic system of astrology. > > but i keep praising many of its simple remedies like feeding > > respective birds and animals of planets and offering food objects or > > materials of planets to mollify various planets, for these remedies > > are highly efficacious. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear Khurana ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this peice of information ,and it iwll help me more > > in > > > understanding lal Kitab . > > > > > > > > > > > > pls keep us illuminating . > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regrds > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > --- In , " khurana_satpal " > > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nair ji, > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many times. > > I > > > > had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the most > > > > well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Bharadwaj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt > > > > ashant ji > > > > > .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 > > > > volumes > > > > > published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as > > he > > > > as > > > > > doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar > > ji > > > > is > > > > > still using same technics > > > > > > > > > > i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > > > > Bhardwaj " > > > > > <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija Ji, > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the > > only > > > > > > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the > > > > book. > > > > > > We owe great to him. > > > > > > What he has written are his own views. > > > > > > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he > > done > > > > > > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like > > use > > > > of > > > > > > aspects and rashis in parashari ways. > > > > > > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment > > > > > > further. > > > > > > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more > > > > thrust. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. > > Kursija " > > > > > > sckursija@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I > really > > > > > appreciate your > > > > > > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have > > written so > > > > > > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan > > > > Ashant > > > > > > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have > > good > > > > > > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab > > in my > > > > > > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you > > > > are > > > > > > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to > > > > > > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@ > > > > > > > Re: Aspects as in > > Lalkitab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which > > > > you > > > > > > have done so much of work. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not > > > > regularly > > > > > > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal > > > > Kitaab. I > > > > > > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not > > > > > > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is > > sometimes > > > > one > > > > > > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of > > > > explaining > > > > > > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in > > that. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House > > > > Dristi > > > > > > (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at > > no > > > > stage > > > > > > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is > > > > > > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and > > > > ninth. It > > > > > > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half " > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " > > > > and " Invisible > > > > > > Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence > > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The > > > > > > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and > > > > > > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with > > some > > > > > > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in > > Invisible > > > > > > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life > > > > > > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results > > but > > > > are > > > > > > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not > > > > > > undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity. > > > > > > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the > > Invisible > > > > > > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have > > > > > > aspects, no other. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist) > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can > > > > also be > > > > > > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti > > > > that > > > > > > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The > > > > nautur > > > > > > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or > > > > menifestations > > > > > > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " > > > > having all > > > > > > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, > > > > self > > > > > > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of > > Maya > > > > is > > > > > > function of quardrants. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have > > been > > > > laid > > > > > > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " > > Abhipasyanti > > > > > > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra) > > > > > > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth > > from > > > > that > > > > > > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have > > > > aspect > > > > > > over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men " > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab > > > > for > > > > > > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the > > > > tenth > > > > > > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and > > the > > > > chart > > > > > > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if > one > > > has > > > > > Dual > > > > > > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house > > (the > > > > > > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, > > seventh > > > > and > > > > > > the tenth. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants) > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types > > of > > > > > > aspects: > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 > percent): > > > > > > > ���� -From 3 to 9. > > > > > > > ���� - From 6 to 12. > > > > > > > ���� - From 8 to 2. > > > > > > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular > > > Aspect) > > > > > of Half Life aspect > > > > > > > �������������� -From 3 to 11 > > > > > > > ������������� -From 5 to 9 > > > > > > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. > > > Between > > > > > 6/8 and 2-12. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Then there are special condition aspects. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in > > application > > > > > > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of > > > > > > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th > > house.� > > > > > Another > > > > > > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. > > > > Unless > > > > > > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and > > > > planets > > > > > > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not > > > > awake. > > > > > > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as > > > > Taurus > > > > > > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not > > be > > > > any > > > > > > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are > > > > further > > > > > > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses. > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > For Example, there are: > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > Takrao Ki Dristi > > > > > > > Dhoke ki Dristi > > > > > > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi. > > > > > > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi > > > > > > > Chhupi Dushmani > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and > > articles is > > > > > > perfectly fine . > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These > > > > might > > > > > > be wrong > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards. > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Nirmal > > > > Kumar > > > > > > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing > > the > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that > > the > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of > > > > > > astrology. I > > > > > > > > hope this document may be useful for all. > > > > > > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at > > > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in- > > Lalkitab- > > > > in- > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Respected pandit Arjun ji, Thank you sir. Mujh par aap ka asheervad bana rahe With respect and regards, S P Khurana , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear khuranaji > > thanks for your good words and you may appreciate that i have been > consistently praising the remedies of lalkitab since several years in > all groups and have appreciated the sound reasoning and logic of > their correlation with the planets. the jyotish shastras written by > sages were more of worshipping dieties whereas shri roopchandji was > focusing more on the easy doability of a common man within his or her > reach. > > anyway, since i liked the lalkitab remedies practical and > resultoriented with proven case evidence from my own customers, i > restrict to praising the remedial part of the lalkitab. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > > , " khurana_satpal " > <khurana_satpal@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > I know that you are a great traditionalist, an authority on > > > > Rudraksha and something not many people know that you > > > > are also a very knowledgeable scholar of Tantra Shastra. > > > > > > > > Therefore with all humility at my command I would like > > > > to put forth my views on two of your observations about > > > > the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > Firstly, The method of casting a horoscope is absolutely the > > > > same as of the traditional astrology. Since the Lal Kitab > > > > system is based on the Bhav and not so much on Rasi it > > > > suggests that the houses be numbered all over again starting > > > > with Lagna as number one. One may not change the rasi to > > > > numbers so long as he knows that it is the Bhav which should > > > > have precedence over the rasi. Analyzing the results of > > > > planetary placements are also very similar to that of our > > > > traditional astrology. > > > > > > > > Secondly, burying Gur near a cemetery and bringing home > > > > the water from a cemetery are traditional folk remedies > > > > which have been prevalent amongst the Indian communities > > > > for ages. Lal Kitab has incorporated some of these folk > > > > practices as upaya for specific astrological purposes. > > > > Incorporating folk beliefs, rituals or remedies into its fold > > > > does not make the Lal Kitab any less traditional in its origins. > > > > As a matter of fact by doing so the Lal Kitab gets all the more > > > > close to the people it is supposed to serve. > > > > > > > > For those who might be interested in knowing more about > > > > the Lal Kitab I am posting below a small write up, by > > > > Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji, which appeared in one of his groups. > > > > > > > > With great respect and regards, > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > A write up on Lal Kitab by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Question 1. What is the basis of the Lal Kitab? > > > > > > > > There are quite a few astrology paddhatis prevalent in India > today, > > they are all either elaborations or modifications upon the > traditionally > > accepted Vedic astrology. Across all these paddhatis the basic > > parameters are the same . They differ either in approach or > emphasis , > > the aim being the same in all cases. > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab also draws its basics from the Vedic astrology , but it > > > > differs in approach or what the book calls grammar ; and the > > > > emphasis is not so much on predicting the future as on > > > > solving the problem of today , hence the importance of Upaya. > > > > The very first page of the book states the two purposes the > > > > Lal Kitab is meant for : (a ) to help remove the blockage in > > > > the flow of fortune's water and ( b ) to help erect > > > > an obstacle in the path of adversity thus saving the native from > > > > misery . > > > > > > > > Therefore I believe that the Lal Kitab is as much a part > > > > of tradition as any other paddhati . > > > > > > > > Q.2 When and how it came into existance ? > > > > > > > > There are FIVE separate publications with varying length : > > > > 1939 ed of 383 pages, 1940ed of 284 pages;1941 ed of 428 pages, > 1942ed > > of 384 pages and finally the1952ed of 1173 pages. > > > > > > > > Surprisingly the name of the author has not been mentioned > > > > in any of these editions , instead they carry the name of the > > > > publisher , shri Girdhari Lal Sharma and his photograph. > > > > If it were an original work by any author, he definitely > > > > would have got his name on it. > > > > > > > > There are so many myths and legends about this book that it > > > > is really very difficult to sieve out the facts. These myths seem > > > > to have been woven around the book to make it look divine or some > thing > > out of this world. Let me take them up one by one. > > > > > > > > { a ) that the book was written by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. > > > > Some people , specially from Punjab , > > > > believe that the Lal Kitab was written , as an original work, > > > > by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and he did not put his name as an > > > > author because he was in Government service under the British. > > > > I do not understand why Joshi ji could not have put his name as an > > author. > > > > The British might have been against writing seditious material but > not a > > book on astrology . Even if that being true he could have used his > name > > in the 1952 edition , there were no British then nor he was in > service > > any longer. Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was a very honest and a saintly > person, > > he couldn’t have claimed something that was never his. > > > > > > > > { b }that the book was revealed in a dream . > > > > Never heard of dreams in installments and that too spreading > > > > over a period of twelve years. Because that is what alone > > > > could justify five publications spread over a period of 12 or 13 > years. > > > > Not many takers for this fiction. > > > > > > > > { c } that the book was received as an ilham , kind of through > > > > a revelation, thus adding mystical sanctity to the book. If that > were > > > > true the Lal Kitab would be the second book in human history to be > > revealed to the mankind , the first being the Quran. This was an > > > > effort to make it appear as sacrosanct so that there > > > > could be no criticism or scientific evaluation of the book. > > > > This belief has done more harm than good to the book. > > > > Well no body with a scientific frame of mind is going to > > > > believe that story either. > > > > > > > > { d } that this book was written by Arun the charioteer of Sun > > > > god. Later Ravan took it away to Lanka and from there it > > > > reached the middle east. It traveled back to India. This was an > > > > effort to get the book into the Samhita ranks , like other > > > > astrological samhitas in the name of rishis ,while at the same > > > > time trying to justify the use of urdu and persian words. > > > > Not many people believe that either. > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact is very simple : this is a book of astrology and that > > > > it was first published in 1939 by shri Girdhari Lal Sharma > > > > All subsequent publications are elaborations / explanations > > > > of the original. Every thing else about the book is irrelevant. > > > > All these books are available with some individuals or in the > > > > libraries. > > > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing, all these stories about the book have been woven > > > > around by Lal Kitab semi-literates to hide their incompetence and > > > > instill in the minds of their clients an awe and reverence for the > > book. Reverence or faith in any system is built on its efficiency > rather > > than through such non-scientific humbug of trying to make the book > > appear as divine. Therefore I believe that this book is a > documentation > > of the then prevalent thoughts and beliefs in the Northern Hills of > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Q.3 Which Vedic parampara it comes from ? > > > > > > > > Of course from the same parampara { tradition } as > > > > many other classics of Indian astrology have come from. > > > > You have to bear in mind that this book is a result of > > > > collective wisdom of a society which had lived in > > > > isolation of the northern hills for centuries . This > > > > tradition is still in use all the way from Kashmir to the > > > > Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal. In the Punjab it came to be known > > > > as Lal kitab , because of its first documentation appeared in the > > > > red binding, > > > > As the societies living in isolation grow their own idiom , > > > > culture and points of references , similarly this tradition of > > > > astrology had also developed its own idiom and grammar. > > > > But the difference of idiom or the grammar does not make > > > > it come from any other parampara { tradition } . You know the > growth of > > Indo-European languages. > > > > > > > > Q 4 . Lal Kitab in the context of traditional Vedic Parampara? > > > > > > > > Whether a text is in the Vedic tradition or not will largely > > > > depend on how we interpret the word Vedic and what all > > > > is included in the word vedic. > > > > > > > > Generally people think that vedic means ancient or of > > > > vedic kal …quot; times of the veda. That is not true. Even some > > > > thing contemporary, of today, can be Vedic in its spirit. > > > > Therefore the word vedic represents far more and far beyond > > > > than the word is taken to mean. Those who think that vedic > > > > means of veda or some thing that had been written in sanskrit > > > > are taking a very myopic view of the word. > > > > > > > > The word ‘vedic’ is to be understood in the Indian > > context. > > > > Therefore any thing dealing with India, and Indian values, > > > > ethos, psyche, traditions, belief systems, and the entire > > > > gambit of indian-ness would be included in the word Vedic. > > > > > > > > Evaluating the Lal Kitab on these premises it would be > > > > evident that the Lal Kitab is very Indian and very often > > > > insists and instructs people to follow a very pious traditional > > > > way of life. No other book on astrology lays such a great > > > > emphasis on the piety of life as does the Lal Kitab. Very > > > > often the book instructs not to drink, eat meat, tell lies, give > > > > false evidence etc and emphasizes on caring for the parents, > > > > elderly, young girls, loving ones brothers and sisters. Even > > > > goes on to insist on having good relationship with > > > > sasural [ in-laws ]. Not only human being, the Lal Kitab > > > > is filled with compassion for nature be it trees [ peepal, neem > etc] , > > > > animals [ cow, serpent etc ] or insects [ bhuri chinti, ants ] > > > > > > > > If all that above is not Indian or part of the centuries old Indian > > > > way of life, then what else it is. > > > > > > > > Therefore I consider that the Lal Kitab is very much a part of > > > > the Vedic tradition and values followed in India for centuries. > > > > > > > > I have not been able to find even a single instance in the > > > > Lal Kitab, that could suggest that the book is not Indian in > > > > terms of its content or form. > > > > > > > > If some one thinks that a few urdu words here and there > > > > might mean foreign influence he is grossly mistaken. Urdu > > > > was a language of the literate in Punjab. Knowledge of this > > > > language never meant a foreign influence. > > > > > > > > In his life time Pt Roopchand ji never claimed that Lal Kitab > > > > is a different system of astrology. He never claimed to have > > > > invented a new system. He never claimed that Lal Kitab is > > > > not a part of traditional Vedic astrology. He never intended > > > > the Lal Kitab to be treated as different from Vedic astrology. > > > > After all, the book was meant for the astrologers of the day > > > > and common men alike. In the early 40s every astrologer who > > > > might have read these books would have belonged to the > > > > traditional Vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > Therefore the Lal Kitab is downright Indian, upholding age > > > > old Indian values and traditions and therefore VEDIC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > for those who are not familiar with the lalkitab, it is a system > of > > > astrology conceived by shri roopchandji of punjab, which was then > the > > > undivided india pakistan. during his days, large muslim population > > > was prevalent and urdu was in vogue there as this original book > was > > > written in urdu. > > > > > > i have studied all the various books of lalkitab six years ago > when i > > > was in delhi and my consistent observation is that many of the > > > remedies recommended by lalkitab are sound in reasoning and are > > > mostly inhouse, inexpensive and easily doable even by the poorest > > > person. > > > > > > however, the very basic structure of casting a horoscope and > deriving > > > the results of planets and placements, is contrary and alien to > vedic > > > astrology. > > > > > > lalkitab also contain remedies like offering gud in a cemetery to > > > ghosts and bringing water from inside a cemetary etc. which are > not > > > vedic in anyway. > > > > > > hence lalkitab shall not be treated as a vedic system of > astrology. > > > but i keep praising many of its simple remedies like feeding > > > respective birds and animals of planets and offering food objects > or > > > materials of planets to mollify various planets, for these > remedies > > > are highly efficacious. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear Khurana ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this peice of information ,and it iwll help me more > > > in > > > > understanding lal Kitab . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls keep us illuminating . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regrds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " khurana_satpal " > > > > <khurana_satpal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nair ji, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many > times. > > > I > > > > > had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the > most > > > > > well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > S P Khurana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Bharadwaj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt > > > > > ashant ji > > > > > > .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 > > > > > volumes > > > > > > published till and man of his stature how come he dont know > as > > > he > > > > > as > > > > > > doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > > chillar > > > ji > > > > > is > > > > > > still using same technics > > > > > > > > > > > > i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal > Kumar > > > > > Bhardwaj " > > > > > > <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija Ji, > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is > the > > > only > > > > > > > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise > on the > > > > > book. > > > > > > > We owe great to him. > > > > > > > What he has written are his own views. > > > > > > > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had > he > > > done > > > > > > > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise > like > > > use > > > > > of > > > > > > > aspects and rashis in parashari ways. > > > > > > > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot > comment > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with > more > > > > > thrust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. > > > Kursija " > > > > > > > sckursija@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I > > really > > > > > > appreciate your > > > > > > > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have > > > written so > > > > > > > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt > Krishan > > > > > Ashant > > > > > > > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I > have > > > good > > > > > > > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal > Kitab > > > in my > > > > > > > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner > as you > > > > > are > > > > > > > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare > to > > > > > > > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@ > > > > > > > > Re: Aspects as in > > > Lalkitab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for > which > > > > > you > > > > > > > have done so much of work. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, > not > > > > > regularly > > > > > > > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal > > > > > Kitaab. I > > > > > > > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of > not > > > > > > > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is > > > sometimes > > > > > one > > > > > > > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of > > > > > explaining > > > > > > > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in > > > that. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it > correctly " House > > > > > Dristi > > > > > > > (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab > at > > > no > > > > > stage > > > > > > > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti > is > > > > > > > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth > and > > > > > ninth. It > > > > > > > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of > House. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half " > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " > > > > > and " Invisible > > > > > > > Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. > The > > > > > > > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House > and > > > > > > > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept > with > > > some > > > > > > > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in > > > Invisible > > > > > > > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's > life > > > > > > > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent > results > > > but > > > > > are > > > > > > > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half > do not > > > > > > > undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity. > > > > > > > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the > > > Invisible > > > > > > > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only > have > > > > > > > aspects, no other. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist) > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those > can > > > > > also be > > > > > > > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and > Shakti > > > > > that > > > > > > > marks and describes the quality of the existence and > life. The > > > > > nautur > > > > > > > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or > > > > > menifestations > > > > > > > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " > > > > > having all > > > > > > > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and > Karmaphala, > > > > > self > > > > > > > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of > > > Maya > > > > > is > > > > > > > function of quardrants. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies > have > > > been > > > > > laid > > > > > > > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " > > > Abhipasyanti > > > > > > > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra) > > > > > > > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and > tenth > > > from > > > > > that > > > > > > > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist > have > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano > Men " > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal > kitab > > > > > for > > > > > > > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in > the > > > > > tenth > > > > > > > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants > and > > > the > > > > > chart > > > > > > > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if > > one > > > > has > > > > > > Dual > > > > > > > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth > house > > > (the > > > > > > > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, > > > seventh > > > > > and > > > > > > > the tenth. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants) > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three > types > > > of > > > > > > > aspects: > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 > > percent): > > > > > > > > ���� -From 3 to 9. > > > > > > > > ���� - From 6 to 12. > > > > > > > > ���� - From 8 to 2. > > > > > > > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular > > > > Aspect) > > > > > > of Half Life aspect > > > > > > > > �������������� -From 3 to 11 > > > > > > > > ������������� -From 5 to 9 > > > > > > > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. > > > > Between > > > > > > 6/8 and 2-12. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Then there are special condition aspects. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in > > > application > > > > > > > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an > example of > > > > > > > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th > > > house.� > > > > > > Another > > > > > > > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth > house. > > > > > Unless > > > > > > > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and > > > > > planets > > > > > > > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or > sleeping, not > > > > > awake. > > > > > > > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf > house as > > > > > Taurus > > > > > > > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can > not > > > be > > > > > any > > > > > > > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there > are > > > > > further > > > > > > > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses. > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > For Example, there are: > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > Takrao Ki Dristi > > > > > > > > Dhoke ki Dristi > > > > > > > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi. > > > > > > > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi > > > > > > > > Chhupi Dushmani > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and > > > articles is > > > > > > > perfectly fine . > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. > These > > > > > might > > > > > > > be wrong > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards. > > > > > > > > Om Namo Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " Nirmal > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) > containing > > > the > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention > that > > > the > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system > of > > > > > > > astrology. I > > > > > > > > > hope this document may be useful for all. > > > > > > > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at > > > > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in- > > > Lalkitab- > > > > > in- > > > > > > > Hindi > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Dear Arjun ji, //> however, the very basic structure of casting a horoscope and deriving > the results of planets and placements, is contrary and alien to vedic > astrology. // I don't think so - can you clarify further? //> lalkitab also contain remedies like offering gud in a cemetery to > ghosts and bringing water from inside a cemetery etc. which are not > vedic in anyway.// Astrology itself is NOT Vedic but NON-Vedic; then why worry about this? For the ancient Agama tradition Pitirs are more important and revered (at times more than devas). It is good to follow the advice of elders and forefathers than than a god who won't utter a word; God speaks from human heart - it is words of our forefathers that guides us in the divine path; they should be revered. Smasana worship is part of the Agama Tantic Tradition - for example look at the Aghora Tantric stream of worship and knowledge.//> hence lalkitab shall not be treated as a vedic system of astrology. // Nirayana astrology is NOT AT ALL Vedic and so don't worry about this at all. Both Lal Kitab astrology and the astrology we practice today is non-vedic in nature. Vedic astrology is Tropical astrology coupled with the use of fixed stellar zodiac - we don't use/practice this system today. //> but i keep praising many of its simple remedies like feeding > respective birds and animals of planets and offering food objects or > materials of planets to mollify various planets, for these remedies > are highly efficacious.// May be this statement comes from not understanding Lal Kitab system of astrology in depth. I agree that the too much importance given to remedies is mis-guiding; it mis-guides us from the true essence of Lal Kitab system. I request you to please go though the writings of Pt. Krishan Ashant ji on Lal Kitab system. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friends> > for those who are not familiar with the lalkitab, it is a system of > astrology conceived by shri roopchandji of punjab, which was then the > undivided india pakistan. during his days, large muslim population > was prevalent and urdu was in vogue there as this original book was > written in urdu.> > i have studied all the various books of lalkitab six years ago when i > was in delhi and my consistent observation is that many of the > remedies recommended by lalkitab are sound in reasoning and are > mostly inhouse, inexpensive and easily doable even by the poorest > person.> > however, the very basic structure of casting a horoscope and deriving > the results of planets and placements, is contrary and alien to vedic > astrology. > > lalkitab also contain remedies like offering gud in a cemetery to > ghosts and bringing water from inside a cemetary etc. which are not > vedic in anyway.> > hence lalkitab shall not be treated as a vedic system of astrology. > but i keep praising many of its simple remedies like feeding > respective birds and animals of planets and offering food objects or > materials of planets to mollify various planets, for these remedies > are highly efficacious.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear Khurana ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for this peice of information ,and it iwll help me more > in> > understanding lal Kitab .> > > > > > > > pls keep us illuminating .> > > > > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > , "khurana_satpal"> > <khurana_satpal@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Nair ji,> > >> > > I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many times. > I> > > had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the most> > > well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times.> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > > S P Khurana> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear Bharadwaj ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt> > > ashant ji> > > > .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5> > > volumes> > > > published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as > he> > > as> > > > doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar > ji> > > is> > > > still using same technics> > > >> > > > i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b > correct> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Nirmal Kumar> > > Bhardwaj"> > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Kursija Ji,> > > > > Pranam,> > > > > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the > only> > > > > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the> > > book.> > > > > We owe great to him.> > > > > What he has written are his own views.> > > > > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he > done> > > > > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like > use> > > of> > > > > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.> > > > > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment> > > > > further.> > > > > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more> > > thrust.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal> > > > >> > > > > , "S.C. > Kursija"> > > > > sckursija@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really> > > > appreciate your> > > > > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have > written so> > > > > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan> > > Ashant> > > > > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have > good> > > > > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab > in my> > > > > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you> > > are> > > > > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to> > > > > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@> > > > > > Re: Aspects as in > Lalkitab> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab> > > > > > �> > > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������> > > > > > �> > > > > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which> > > you> > > > > have done so much of work.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not> > > regularly> > > > > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal> > > Kitaab. I> > > > > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not> > > > > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is > sometimes> > > one> > > > > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.> > > > > > �> > > > > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of> > > explaining> > > > > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in > that.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Firstly it is "Rasi Drishti" or to put it correctly "House> > > Dristi> > > > > (the aspect of Houses)" and not "Graha Dtishi". Lal Kitab at > no> > > stage> > > > > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is> > > > > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and> > > ninth. It> > > > > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.> > > > > > �> > > > > > "Visible Half" and "Invisible Half"> > > > > > �> > > > > > First principle adopted is that of "Visible Half"> > > and "Invisible> > > > > Half". In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence > from> > > 2nd> > > > > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The> > > > > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and> > > > > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with > some> > > > > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in > Invisible> > > > > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life> > > > > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results > but> > > are> > > > > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not> > > > > undergo "Chakrapath Haran" while calculating longevity.> > > > > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the > Invisible> > > > > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have> > > > > aspects, no other.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)> > > > > > �> > > > > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can> > > also be> > > > > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti> > > that> > > > > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The> > > nautur> > > > > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or> > > menifestations> > > > > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as "Dwisvabahva"> > > having all> > > > > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,> > > self> > > > > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of > Maya> > > is> > > > > function of quardrants.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have > been> > > laid> > > > > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " > Abhipasyanti> > > > > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)> > > > > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth > from> > > that> > > > > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have> > > aspect> > > > > over all others as understood by "Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men"> > > > > > �> > > > > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab> > > for> > > > > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the> > > tenth> > > > > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and > the> > > chart> > > > > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one> > has> > > > Dual> > > > > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house > (the> > > > > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, > seventh> > > and> > > > > the tenth.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)> > > > > > �> > > > > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types > of> > > > > aspects:> > > > > > �> > > > > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):> > > > > > ���� -From 3 to 9.> > > > > > ���� - From 6 to 12.> > > > > > ���� - From 8 to 2.> > > > > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular> > Aspect)> > > > of Half Life aspect> > > > > > �������������� -From 3 to 11> > > > > > ������������� -From 5 to 9> > > > > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect.> > Between> > > > 6/8 and 2-12.> > > > > > �> > > > > > Then there are special condition aspects.> > > > > > �> > > > > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in > application> > > > > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of> > > > > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th > house.�> > > > Another> > > > > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.> > > Unless> > > > > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and> > > planets> > > > > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not> > > awake.> > > > > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as> > > Taurus> > > > > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not > be> > > any> > > > > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.> > > > > > �> > > > > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are> > > further> > > > > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.> > > > > > �> > > > > > For Example, there are:> > > > > > �> > > > > > Takrao Ki Dristi> > > > > > Dhoke ki Dristi> > > > > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.> > > > > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi> > > > > > Chhupi Dushmani> > > > > > �> > > > > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and > articles is> > > > > perfectly fine .> > > > > > �> > > > > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These> > > might> > > > > be wrong> > > > > > Thanks and Regards.> > > > > > Om Namo Narayana.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal> > > Kumar> > > > > Bhardwaj" <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing > the> > > > > aspect> > > > > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that > the> > > > > aspects> > > > > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of> > > > > astrology. I> > > > > > > hope this document may be useful for all.> > > > > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at> > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-> Lalkitab-> > > in-> > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Nirmal> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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