Order of planets in Vimshottari Dasa

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Respected members,

 

I had a query.

 

Could anyone please shed some light on the reasonging behind the order

of planets in the Vimshottari Dasa?

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

[Guest guest]

Dear members,

 

To be more specifc-

I have the found the following @

http://srath.com/lessons/beginner/vimsottari.htm

" The dasä follows a definite sequence in the regular order of the

constellations. The Dasä are furnished by the planets owning the

constellations. For example, if the first dasä is reckoned from

Bharani (2), then the first dasä shall be initiated from Venus, the

lord of Bharani. The order of the constellations are Bharani(2)-

Krittika(3)-Rohini(4)-Mrigasira(5)-Ardra(6)-Punarvasu(7)-Pusya(8)-

Aslesha(9)-Makha(10) etc. Thus, the order of the Dasä shall be Venus

(Bharani), Sun (Krittika), Moon (Rohini), Mars (Mrigasira), Rähu

(Ardra), Jupiter (Punarvasu), Saturn (Pusya), Mercury (Aslesha) and

Ketu (Makha). "

 

Is this the generally accepted norm?

 

If so it does raise a question in my mind- How were the

constellations assigned planet rulership?

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

, " Souvik Dutta "

<explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Respected members,

>

> I had a query.

>

> Could anyone please shed some light on the reasonging behind the

order

> of planets in the Vimshottari Dasa?

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear souvik ji

 

yes ,order of the dasa is moons progression tru various nakshtras frm ur birth nakshtra at birth according to nadis ( in vimshottary ).But how it got assigned and yrs is still a question mark ,the sun and moon gets min periods (6 and 10 yrs ) ,rahu and ketu together gets 25 yrs ( 18+7) and

sani gets 19 yrs and venus gets 20 yrs ( just one yr more for sukha comfort karak venus frm dukha or discipline karaka sani ),the logic behind such thoughts is still i am searching for it

 

some says at one point of time the 0 degree was near aries and kritika star and so it got assigned to sun etc in order of dasa but it did not find convincing to me

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear members,> > To be more specifc-> I have the found the following @> http://srath.com/lessons/beginner/vimsottari.htm> "The dasä follows a definite sequence in the regular order of the > constellations. The Dasä are furnished by the planets owning the > constellations. For example, if the first dasä is reckoned from > Bharani (2), then the first dasä shall be initiated from Venus, the > lord of Bharani. The order of the constellations are Bharani(2)-> Krittika(3)-Rohini(4)-Mrigasira(5)-Ardra(6)-Punarvasu(7)-Pusya(8)-> Aslesha(9)-Makha(10) etc. Thus, the order of the Dasä shall be Venus > (Bharani), Sun (Krittika), Moon (Rohini), Mars (Mrigasira), Rähu > (Ardra), Jupiter (Punarvasu), Saturn (Pusya), Mercury (Aslesha) and > Ketu (Makha)."> > Is this the generally accepted norm?> > If so it does raise a question in my mind- How were the > constellations assigned planet rulership?> > Regards,> > Souvik> > > , "Souvik Dutta" > explore_vulcan@ wrote:> >> > Respected members,> > > > I had a query.> > > > Could anyone please shed some light on the reasonging behind the > order > > of planets in the Vimshottari Dasa?> > > > Regards,> > > > Souvik> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil-ji,

 

Any thoughts on assignment of nakshatra lords?

 

Yes, unequal division of time in various nakshatras is surely

perplexing and please do let me know any views you have on this

subject.

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear souvik ji

>

>

>

> yes ,order of the dasa is moons progression tru various nakshtras

frm ur

> birth nakshtra at birth according to nadis ( in vimshottary ).But

how it

> got assigned and yrs is still a question mark ,the sun and moon

gets min

> periods (6 and 10 yrs ) ,rahu and ketu together gets 25 yrs ( 18+7)

and

>

> sani gets 19 yrs and venus gets 20 yrs ( just one yr more for sukha

> comfort karak venus frm dukha or discipline karaka sani ),the logic

> behind such thoughts is still i am searching for it

>

>

>

> some says at one point of time the 0 degree was near aries and

kritika

> star and so it got assigned to sun etc in order of dasa but it did

not

> find convincing to me

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

>

>

> , " Souvik Dutta "

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > To be more specifc-

> > I have the found the following @

> > http://srath.com/lessons/beginner/vimsottari.htm

> > " The dasä follows a definite sequence in the regular order of the

> > constellations. The Dasä are furnished by the planets owning the

> > constellations. For example, if the first dasä is reckoned from

> > Bharani (2), then the first dasä shall be initiated from Venus,

the

> > lord of Bharani. The order of the constellations are Bharani(2)-

> > Krittika(3)-Rohini(4)-Mrigasira(5)-Ardra(6)-Punarvasu(7)-Pusya(8)-

> > Aslesha(9)-Makha(10) etc. Thus, the order of the Dasä shall be

> Venus

> > (Bharani), Sun (Krittika), Moon (Rohini), Mars (Mrigasira), Rähu

> > (Ardra), Jupiter (Punarvasu), Saturn (Pusya), Mercury (Aslesha)

and

> > Ketu (Makha). "

> >

> > Is this the generally accepted norm?

> >

> > If so it does raise a question in my mind- How were the

> > constellations assigned planet rulership?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> > , " Souvik Dutta "

> > explore_vulcan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected members,

> > >

> > > I had a query.

> > >

> > > Could anyone please shed some light on the reasonging behind the

> > order

> > > of planets in the Vimshottari Dasa?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Souvik

> > >

> >

>

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Hare rama krishna

 

dear souvik ji

 

i think i already mentioned it ,That at one point of time krittika the sun star was supposed to b 0 degree and it has assigned to sun ,next to moon and so on ,but why this order followed or dasa yrs how allocated etc i dont know ,even i dont know if this theory is correct of not .As i am yet to see any valid reference.

 

other wise all trinal stars ruled by same lords .we other wise take Janma ,anujanma trijanma Nakshtras .so kritika ,uthra phalguni ( uttram in south ) and uttrashada ( uttradam in south indian ) ruled by sun and so on

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> > Any thoughts on assignment of nakshatra lords?> > Yes, unequal division of time in various nakshatras is surely > perplexing and please do let me know any views you have on this > subject.> > Regards,> > Souvik> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear souvik ji> > > > > > > > yes ,order of the dasa is moons progression tru various nakshtras > frm ur> > birth nakshtra at birth according to nadis ( in vimshottary ).But > how it> > got assigned and yrs is still a question mark ,the sun and moon > gets min> > periods (6 and 10 yrs ) ,rahu and ketu together gets 25 yrs ( 18+7) > and> > > > sani gets 19 yrs and venus gets 20 yrs ( just one yr more for sukha> > comfort karak venus frm dukha or discipline karaka sani ),the logic> > behind such thoughts is still i am searching for it> > > > > > > > some says at one point of time the 0 degree was near aries and > kritika> > star and so it got assigned to sun etc in order of dasa but it did > not> > find convincing to me> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > , "Souvik Dutta"> > <explore_vulcan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > >> > > To be more specifc-> > > I have the found the following @> > > http://srath.com/lessons/beginner/vimsottari.htm> > > "The dasä follows a definite sequence in the regular order of the> > > constellations. The Dasä are furnished by the planets owning the> > > constellations. For example, if the first dasä is reckoned from> > > Bharani (2), then the first dasä shall be initiated from Venus, > the> > > lord of Bharani. The order of the constellations are Bharani(2)-> > > Krittika(3)-Rohini(4)-Mrigasira(5)-Ardra(6)-Punarvasu(7)-Pusya(8)-> > > Aslesha(9)-Makha(10) etc. Thus, the order of the Dasä shall be> > Venus> > > (Bharani), Sun (Krittika), Moon (Rohini), Mars (Mrigasira), Rähu> > > (Ardra), Jupiter (Punarvasu), Saturn (Pusya), Mercury (Aslesha) > and> > > Ketu (Makha)."> > >> > > Is this the generally accepted norm?> > >> > > If so it does raise a question in my mind- How were the> > > constellations assigned planet rulership?> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Souvik> > >> > >> > > , "Souvik Dutta"> > > explore_vulcan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > >> > > > I had a query.> > > >> > > > Could anyone please shed some light on the reasonging behind the> > > order> > > > of planets in the Vimshottari Dasa?> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Souvik> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sunil ji, //> yes ,order of the dasa is moons progression tru various nakshtras frm ur> birth nakshtra at birth according to nadis ( in vimshottary ).But how it> got assigned and yrs is still a question mark // I have read several logics that tries to explain this, but none of them is convincing enough. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > Hare rama krishna> > dear souvik ji> > > > yes ,order of the dasa is moons progression tru various nakshtras frm ur> birth nakshtra at birth according to nadis ( in vimshottary ).But how it> got assigned and yrs is still a question mark ,the sun and moon gets min> periods (6 and 10 yrs ) ,rahu and ketu together gets 25 yrs ( 18+7) and> > sani gets 19 yrs and venus gets 20 yrs ( just one yr more for sukha> comfort karak venus frm dukha or discipline karaka sani ),the logic> behind such thoughts is still i am searching for it> > > > some says at one point of time the 0 degree was near aries and kritika> star and so it got assigned to sun etc in order of dasa but it did not> find convincing to me> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > , "Souvik Dutta"> explore_vulcan@ wrote:> >> > Dear members,> >> > To be more specifc-> > I have the found the following @> > http://srath.com/lessons/beginner/vimsottari.htm> > "The das䠦ollows a definite sequence in the regular order of the> > constellations. The Das䠡re furnished by the planets owning the> > constellations. For example, if the first das䠩s reckoned from> > Bharani (2), then the first das䠳hall be initiated from Venus, the> > lord of Bharani. The order of the constellations are Bharani(2)-> > Krittika(3)-Rohini(4)-Mrigasira(5)-Ardra(6)-Punarvasu(7)-Pusya(8)-> > Aslesha(9)-Makha(10) etc. Thus, the order of the Das䠳hall be> Venus> > (Bharani), Sun (Krittika), Moon (Rohini), Mars (Mrigasira), R䨵> > (Ardra), Jupiter (Punarvasu), Saturn (Pusya), Mercury (Aslesha) and> > Ketu (Makha)."> >> > Is this the generally accepted norm?> >> > If so it does raise a question in my mind- How were the> > constellations assigned planet rulership?> >> > Regards,> >> > Souvik> >> >> > , "Souvik Dutta"> > explore_vulcan@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected members,> > >> > > I had a query.> > >> > > Could anyone please shed some light on the reasonging behind the> > order> > > of planets in the Vimshottari Dasa?> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Souvik> > >> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, Sunil ji, Souvik ji and group,Parashara told Maitreya in the beginning that he is relating the science of astrology to him as revealed to him (Parashara) by Brahma.Vakshyami vednayanam yatha brahmmukhachhrutam (BPHS)

So there may or may not be any logic in certain principles, and it has been left to the understanding of good shishyas to find that out.There are, nevertheless, many assumptions and theories about why the dashas are in this order. Most of them make some sense also. There is a strange harmony to this dasa order that seems to work. The dasa system seems to work as a microcosm of the human life.

In earlier times, we were following Krittikadi system of counting the nakshatras. So starting from Krittika one would count the 9 nakshatra and get the dasha sequence. In the later periods, counting shifted from ashwini and we started the dasha sequence with ketu.

Even if we find some logic in sequence of nakshatras, many more questions would emerge and we would be at a loss to find the answers. We know that there are only 7 planets, and we may accept without questioning why Rahu ketu were given the status of planets. But we may ask, why only 27 stars were chosen and not many others also in the same or other constellations? Why they were assigned the lordships of particular planets?

The questions are many and the answers may be hidden in the planetary and starry significations only, which again have been assigned to them by the sages… don't we come full circle with our ignorance? Or if astrology works, don't we marvel at the scheme in the heavens that makes us work on the earth?

RegardsNeelam

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Hare rama krishna

dear neelam ji and sreenadh ji

Many of the logics and reasoning is lost or even hideen .may b answer may b lies in tantric or yogic principles which was the real basis of astro principles.I dont think any rishi will ask any students to accept any dictum un conditionaly .

 

The moons progression tru various Nakshtras for vim dasa seuqence is beauitfully used in nadies .

same way u can see progress of lagna is used in tajik system but on yrly basis ( as lagna is solar based )

even our transit theorey is actualy ,the movement planets frm static position in birth chart to present position in sky .which later reduced to see transits frm moon only .That is the reason the transit prediction is failing in majority of the cases .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji, Sunil ji, Souvik ji and group,> > Parashara told Maitreya in the beginning that he is relating the science of> astrology to him as revealed to him (Parashara) by Brahma.> > Vakshyami vednayanam yatha brahmmukhachhrutam (BPHS)> > So there may or may not be any logic in certain principles, and it has been> left to the understanding of good shishyas to find that out.> > There are, nevertheless, many assumptions and theories about why the dashas> are in this order. Most of them make some sense also. There is a strange> harmony to this dasa order that seems to work. The dasa system seems to work> as a microcosm of the human life.> > In earlier times, we were following Krittikadi system of counting the> nakshatras. So starting from Krittika one would count the 9 nakshatra and> get the dasha sequence. In the later periods, counting shifted from ashwini> and we started the dasha sequence with ketu.> > Even if we find some logic in sequence of nakshatras, many more questions> would emerge and we would be at a loss to find the answers. We know that> there are only 7 planets, and we may accept without questioning why Rahu> ketu were given the status of planets. But we may ask, why only 27 stars> were chosen and not many others also in the same or other constellations?> Why they were assigned the lordships of particular planets?> > The questions are many and the answers may be hidden in the planetary and> starry significations only, which again have been assigned to them by the> sages… don't we come full circle with our ignorance? Or if astrology works,> don't we marvel at the scheme in the heavens that makes us work on the> earth?> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Shri Sunil Nairji and the scholars,

I have the secrets of the Logic in the Vimsottari dasa system which

I will be presenting, in a paper within 6 months. As of now, I

will just give some clues.

 

The 120 Years alloted to the Vimsottari dasa is not the actual

Life span of a native, as is understood to be.

 

13 1/3 X 9 = 120 Years.

Where 13 1/3 is equal to the span of a Nakshatra

9 equals to the number of Planets.

 

Before clocks came into existence time was measured

by Nimesa, Guru akshara, Prana,Pala,danda,

 

Here 27 Nimesa = 1 Guru akshara

10 Guru akshar = 1 Prana

6 Prana = 1 Pala

60 Pala = 1 Danda

60 Danda = 1 Nakshatra

30 Nakshatra = 1 Month.

 

27 Nimesa correspond to 27 Nakshatras and are equal to 1 Guru akshara.

The 10 Guru aksharas and 6 Pranas are the minutest division of time.

The Mana measure and Prana measure are represented by the

Moon and the Sun respectively. On this basis is the period of

Chandra as 10 and of the Sun as 6, as given in the Vimsottari dasha.

 

Rahu and Ketu are the two nodes of the Mana ( Mind- Mana).

Due to Kranti or the inclination of the axis by 24 degrees , they are

180 degrees apart and divide the zodiac of 360 degrees by two equal halves.

 

Deduct the number of years of the period of Sun and Moon from the

Vimsottari Dasa, from 24, and the result is -

24 - 6 = 18 Years fo Rahu

24 -10 = 14 years ( Deduct half because the node stands at half of the

circle of 360 degrees )

So we get the figure of Ketu which is 7 years.

 

This is the way to mathematically and logically derive the number

of years for all the planets. I am not giving the

detailed and exhaustive explanations for the above, because this

will take a lot of time, and I only look for serious astrologers to

indulge in this. But when I do this, then it will be easy to undestand.

Probably in a few months time......

 

The above is not my invention, but ancient jyotirvidya, which is lost to

the time of the day, which i wish to revive within two years time.

 

In the ancient jyotirvidya, Graha, Nakshatra and Raashi re taken in

form of ideas and numerical value is attached to them, which allow us

the knowledge of the event and the timing of the event.

 

For instance if one has Lagna in Magha ( No.10 ), at age of 10 this native will show a powerful body , because Lagna stands for body, and Magha stands for powerful and strong.

 

Now further suppose Ketu is in the same nakshatra inh Lagna.

Ketu is representd by 9. Ketu shows disease and sickness, now

at age of 10 the native will suffer from some strong disease, which

will also be repeated at age of 19 ( 10 + 9 ).

 

The above is another way of prognosis, but will come some day later on this.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hare rama krishna

respected bhaskar ji

Thanks for the information and good write up .

I will go tru this over and again and mean time i am waiting for ur full paper on the subjuct .I think this needs full write up to get the logic clearly tho initial writing is some wat convincing .

thanks u for illuminating us in this subjuct

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> Dear Shri Sunil Nairji and the scholars,> I have the secrets of the Logic in the Vimsottari dasa system which I> will be presenting, in a paper within 6 months. As of now, I will just> give some clues. The 120 Years alloted to the Vimsottari dasa is not> the actual Life span of a native, as is understood to be. 13 1/3 X 9 => 120 Years. Where 13 1/3 is equal to the span of a Nakshatra 9 equals to> the number of Planets. Before clocks came into existence time was> measured by Nimesa, Guru akshara, Prana,Pala,danda, Here 27 Nimesa => 1 Guru akshara 10 Guru akshar = 1 Prana 6 Prana = 1 Pala 60 Pala = 1> Danda 60 Danda = 1 Nakshatra 30 Nakshatra = 1 Month. 27 Nimesa> correspond to 27 Nakshatras and are equal to 1 Guru akshara. The 10 Guru> aksharas and 6 Pranas are the minutest division of time. The Mana> measure and Prana measure are represented by the Moon and the Sun> respectively. On this basis is the period of Chandra as 10 and of the> Sun as 6, as given in the Vimsottari dasha. Rahu and Ketu are the two> nodes of the Mana ( Mind- Mana). Due to Kranti or the inclination of the> axis by 24 degrees , they are 180 degrees apart and divide the zodiac> of 360 degrees by two equal halves. Deduct the number of years of the> period of Sun and Moon from the Vimsottari Dasa, from 24, and the> result is - 24 - 6 = 18 Years fo Rahu 24 -10 = 14 years ( Deduct half> because the node stands at half of the circle of 360 degrees ) So we> get the figure of Ketu which is 7 years. This is the way to> mathematically and logically derive the number of years for all the> planets. I am not giving the detailed and exhaustive explanations for> the above, because this will take a lot of time, and I only look for> serious astrologers to indulge in this. But when I do this, then it will> be easy to undestand. Probably in a few months time...... The above is> not my invention, but ancient jyotirvidya, which is lost to the time of> the day, which i wish to revive within two years time. In the ancient> jyotirvidya, Graha, Nakshatra and Raashi re taken in form of ideas and> numerical value is attached to them, which allow us the knowledge of the> event and the timing of the event. For instance if one has Lagna in> Magha ( No.10 ), at age of 10 this native will show a powerful body ,> because Lagna stands for body, and Magha stands for powerful and strong.> Now further suppose Ketu is in the same nakshatra inh Lagna. Ketu is> representd by 9. Ketu shows disease and sickness, now at age of 10 the> native will suffer from some strong disease, which will also be repeated> at age of 19 ( 10 + 9 ). The above is another way of prognosis, but> will come some day later on this. regards, Bhaskar.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri. Bhaskar ji,

 

I congratulate you for taking us near the truth of these, unfolded segment of

Astrology.  I consider that you had done a great service to the Astrologers. 

You have now lit the torch.  We will see bright in the leads.  Thank you very

much.

 

Blessings,

 

 A.V.Pathi,                                      

 

 

 

 

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:23:12 AM

Re: Order of planets in Vimshottari Dasa

 

 

Dear Shri Sunil Nairji and the scholars,

I have the secrets of the Logic in the Vimsottari dasa system which

I will be presenting, in a paper within 6 months. As of now, I

will just give some clues.

 

The 120 Years alloted to the Vimsottari dasa is not the actual

Life span of a native, as is understood to be.

 

13 1/3 X 9 = 120 Years.

Where 13 1/3 is equal to the span of a Nakshatra

9 equals to the number of Planets.

 

Before clocks came into existence time was measured

by Nimesa, Guru akshara, Prana,Pala,danda,

 

Here 27 Nimesa = 1 Guru akshara

10 Guru akshar = 1 Prana

6 Prana = 1 Pala

60 Pala = 1 Danda

60 Danda = 1 Nakshatra

30 Nakshatra = 1 Month.

 

27 Nimesa correspond to 27 Nakshatras and are equal to 1 Guru akshara.

The 10 Guru aksharas and 6 Pranas are the minutest division of time.

The Mana measure and Prana measure are represented by the

Moon and the Sun respectively. On this basis is the period of

Chandra as 10 and of the Sun as 6, as given in the Vimsottari dasha.

 

Rahu and Ketu are the two nodes of the Mana ( Mind- Mana).

Due to Kranti or the inclination of the axis by 24 degrees , they are

180 degrees apart and divide the zodiac of 360 degrees by two equal halves.

 

Deduct the number of years of the period of Sun and Moon from the

Vimsottari Dasa, from 24, and the result is -

24 - 6 = 18 Years fo Rahu

24 -10 = 14 years  ( Deduct half because the node stands at half of the

circle of 360 degrees )

So we get the figure of Ketu which is 7 years.

 

This is the way to mathematically and logically derive the number

of years for all the planets. I am not giving the

detailed and exhaustive explanations for the above, because this

will take a lot of time, and I only look for serious astrologers to

indulge in this. But when I do this, then it will be easy to undestand.

Probably in a few months time......

 

The above is not my invention, but ancient jyotirvidya, which is lost to

the time of the day, which i wish to revive within two years time.

 

In the ancient jyotirvidya, Graha, Nakshatra and Raashi re taken in

form of ideas and numerical value is attached to them, which allow us

the knowledge of the event and the timing of the event.  

 

For instance if one has Lagna in Magha ( No.10 ), at age of 10 this native will

show a powerful body , because Lagna stands for body, and Magha stands for

powerful and strong.

 

Now further suppose Ketu is in the same nakshatra inh Lagna.

Ketu is representd by 9. Ketu shows disease and sickness,  now

at age of 10 the native will suffer from some strong disease, which

will also be repeated at age of 19 ( 10 + 9 ).

 

The above is another way of prognosis, but will come some day later on this.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Pathiji,

 

There are so many secrets and techniqies which many people know , but

out of fear of ridicule, do not mention in front of any. The fear is

there because, those techniques may not be conforming to the general

known formats, the fear mayalso be there because the technique may be

too simple to be digested by anyone.

 

I had one lady at my place last evening whom I had predicted successful

the birth of a son exactly one year back , after she had had two forced

abortions ( One was a still child ). She has a 13 year old daughter who

also visited me with her. I applied one technique and told her that her

daugher may be a gynacologist when she grows up. And that lady jumped

from her seat, because her daghter actually wanted to become a gyno. She

wanted to take revenge on the Doctor due to whose mistake she lost her

younger sister ( One child had died due to mistake of the Doctor). Now

this prediction took me not more than a minute of study. But if i

present the analysis it to anybody, then they will start laughing.

 

Actually India has got lot of knowledge both in vilages and cities. We

have still to see much of it.

 

I personally use both Indian, and Western systems, Traditional,KP, and

Jamini, and also use remedial measures from Lalkitab, but if we talk

about other systems to a follower of a particular system, then there

would be no takers. Which is also another reason why people do not talk

much of what they know or can share.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, venkatachala pathi

<pathiav wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Bhaskar ji,

>

> I congratulate you for taking us near the truth of these, unfolded

segment of Astrology. I consider that you had done a great service to

the Astrologers. You have now lit the torch. We will see bright in the

leads. Thank you very much.

>

> Blessings,

>

> A.V.Pathi,

>

>

>

>

> Bhaskar rajiventerprises

>

> Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:23:12 AM

> Re: Order of planets in

Vimshottari Dasa

>

>

> Dear Shri Sunil Nairji and the scholars,

> I have the secrets of the Logic in the Vimsottari dasa system which

> I will be presenting, in a paper within 6 months. As of now, I

> will just give some clues.

>

> The 120 Years alloted to the Vimsottari dasa is not the actual

> Life span of a native, as is understood to be.

>

> 13 1/3 X 9 = 120 Years.

> Where 13 1/3 is equal to the span of a Nakshatra

> 9 equals to the number of Planets.

>

> Before clocks came into existence time was measured

> by Nimesa, Guru akshara, Prana,Pala,danda,

>

> Here 27 Nimesa = 1 Guru akshara

> 10 Guru akshar = 1 Prana

> 6 Prana = 1 Pala

> 60 Pala = 1 Danda

> 60 Danda = 1 Nakshatra

> 30 Nakshatra = 1 Month.

>

> 27 Nimesa correspond to 27 Nakshatras and are equal to 1 Guru akshara.

> The 10 Guru aksharas and 6 Pranas are the minutest division of time.

> The Mana measure and Prana measure are represented by the

> Moon and the Sun respectively. On this basis is the period of

> Chandra as 10 and of the Sun as 6, as given in the Vimsottari dasha.

>

> Rahu and Ketu are the two nodes of the Mana ( Mind- Mana).

> Due to Kranti or the inclination of the axis by 24 degrees , they are

> 180 degrees apart and divide the zodiac of 360 degrees by two equal

halves.

>

> Deduct the number of years of the period of Sun and Moon from the

> Vimsottari Dasa, from 24, and the result is -

> 24 - 6 = 18 Years fo Rahu

> 24 -10 = 14 years ( Deduct half because the node stands at half of

the

> circle of 360 degrees )

> So we get the figure of Ketu which is 7 years.

>

> This is the way to mathematically and logically derive the number

> of years for all the planets. I am not giving the

> detailed and exhaustive explanations for the above, because this

> will take a lot of time, and I only look for serious astrologers to

> indulge in this. But when I do this, then it will be easy to

undestand.

> Probably in a few months time......

>

> The above is not my invention, but ancient jyotirvidya, which is lost

to

> the time of the day, which i wish to revive within two years time.

>

> In the ancient jyotirvidya, Graha, Nakshatra and Raashi re taken in

> form of ideas and numerical value is attached to them, which allow us

> the knowledge of the event and the timing of the event.

>

> For instance if one has Lagna in Magha ( No.10 ), at age of 10 this

native will show a powerful body , because Lagna stands for body, and

Magha stands for powerful and strong.

>

> Now further suppose Ketu is in the same nakshatra inh Lagna.

> Ketu is representd by 9. Ketu shows disease and sickness, now

> at age of 10 the native will suffer from some strong disease, which

> will also be repeated at age of 19 ( 10 + 9 ).

>

> The above is another way of prognosis, but will come some day later on

this.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear sri bhaskar,

excellent explanation. looking forward to ur great  contribution on this

subject.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

 

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

Re: Order of planets in Vimshottari Dasa

 

Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:53 PM

 

 

Dear Shri Sunil Nairji and the scholars,

I have the secrets of the Logic in the Vimsottari dasa system which

I will be presenting, in a paper within 6 months. As of now, I

will just give some clues.

 

The 120 Years alloted to the Vimsottari dasa is not the actual

Life span of a native, as is understood to be.

 

13 1/3 X 9 = 120 Years.

Where 13 1/3 is equal to the span of a Nakshatra

9 equals to the number of Planets.

 

Before clocks came into existence time was measured

by Nimesa, Guru akshara, Prana,Pala,danda,

 

Here 27 Nimesa = 1 Guru akshara

10 Guru akshar = 1 Prana

6 Prana = 1 Pala

60 Pala = 1 Danda

60 Danda = 1 Nakshatra

30 Nakshatra = 1 Month.

 

27 Nimesa correspond to 27 Nakshatras and are equal to 1 Guru akshara.

The 10 Guru aksharas and 6 Pranas are the minutest division of time.

The Mana measure and Prana measure are represented by the

Moon and the Sun respectively. On this basis is the period of

Chandra as 10 and of the Sun as 6, as given in the Vimsottari dasha.

 

Rahu and Ketu are the two nodes of the Mana ( Mind- Mana).

Due to Kranti or the inclination of the axis by 24 degrees , they are

180 degrees apart and divide the zodiac of 360 degrees by two equal halves.

 

Deduct the number of years of the period of Sun and Moon from the

Vimsottari Dasa, from 24, and the result is -

24 - 6 = 18 Years fo Rahu

24 -10 = 14 years  ( Deduct half because the node stands at half of the

circle of 360 degrees )

So we get the figure of Ketu which is 7 years.

 

This is the way to mathematically and logically derive the number

of years for all the planets. I am not giving the

detailed and exhaustive explanations for the above, because this

will take a lot of time, and I only look for serious astrologers to

indulge in this. But when I do this, then it will be easy to undestand.

Probably in a few months time......

 

The above is not my invention, but ancient jyotirvidya, which is lost to

the time of the day, which i wish to revive within two years time.

 

In the ancient jyotirvidya, Graha, Nakshatra and Raashi re taken in

form of ideas and numerical value is attached to them, which allow us

the knowledge of the event and the timing of the event.  

 

For instance if one has Lagna in Magha ( No.10 ), at age of 10 this native will

show a powerful body , because Lagna stands for body, and Magha stands for

powerful and strong.

 

Now further suppose Ketu is in the same nakshatra inh Lagna.

Ketu is representd by 9. Ketu shows disease and sickness,  now

at age of 10 the native will suffer from some strong disease, which

will also be repeated at age of 19 ( 10 + 9 ).

 

The above is another way of prognosis, but will come some day later on this.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear All,This is indeed a thought-provoking discussion and the logic given by Bhaskar ji provided further food for thought. I had been thinking about this and feel that the basic unit of Nimesa as given in the Vedic texts, does seem to resonate as the common factor in time-related principles.

Hymn 1.50 of the Rigveda on the Sun says:tatha ca smaryate yojananam. sahasre dve dve sate dve ca yojaneekena nimis.ardhena kramaman. a namo stu ta iti

[Addressing to Sun – "I bow before you, who travels 2,202 yojanas in half a nimisa"]

This half a nimesa seems to be an important measure.A nimesa is equal to 16/73.33 seconds (0.24 sec). Nimesa is roughly the time for a blink/wink. It can be used to derive the speed of light, very close to the correct figure of 186,000 miles per second.

Most of the astronomical and astrological principles can be explained from this unit. As Sun is the light giver and the horoscope is an interpretation of the first ray of sun when the individual is born, sun also becomes a measure of his prana at the micro level. He then starts the time-clock ticking for any individual born. As the sun moves in the sky from that point on, so does the prana in any being.

As Bejoy ji suggested, //Probably the modern clock has its origin in the above Vedic reckoning of time.//I also feel it does.Equating human days with brahma's day (taking same nimesa value)1 human day = 360,000 nimesas = 720,000 half nimesas

1 human year = 720,000 x 360 Nm120 human years = 360,000 x 360 x 120 = 311,040, 000,000,000 Nm

Human life span is half a nimesa of (wink) of brahma. The life span assigned to manushya as the kaalpurush.

The measures of time are also thus defined in the Puranas:15 nimesa = 1 kastha30 kastha= 1 kala30 kala = 1 muhurta30 muhurta = 1 day-and-nightIncidentally, 100 nimesas (36,000,000) is the modern astronomical unit also.

An important explanation by Sayana (c.1315-1387 AD) further elaborates this phenomenon: " It is remembered that Sun traverses 2,202 yojanas (roughly 9 miles) in half a nimesa, giving light to all things, even to the moon and the planets, by night; for they are of a watery substance from which the rays of the sun are reflected. Yojan is a yoking or harnessing, that which is yoked or harnessed, a team or vehicle, or a course or path. Yojana is a stage or the distance traversed in one harnessing or without unyoking. "

Bhaskar ji says that 27 Nimesa correspond to 27 Nakshatras, do we understand that at each nimesha, Sun harnesses its energy? Is it through nakshatras?

27 nimesa is 16.20 pranas and total 21600 pranas in the day divided by 27 gives 800 pranas which is the movement of moon in one nakshatra and is 16.20 prana. Do we see a linkage here between the celestial movement of light and biosphere movement?

Nimesa, a unit of time binds the creation in celestial sphere to the creation in biosphere. A definite logic and ratio exists and can be derived mathematically. We can see how it co-relates the sun, the speed of light, the moon, the distances between sun and moon, the day and night, the nakshatras, the planets, Rahu-ketu, the solar year and the lunar years, etc. at the macro cosmos level and in the same proportions how it symbolizes prana and movement of prana within the body. How the disturbance in movement of prana (which is caused by speed and acceleration by virtue of a fixed nimesha) and its off-tunement with the macroprana throws the body off-balance and might result in disease etc. That is what we do in ayurveda. This unit can be converted to all other phenomenon with great ease.

All astronomical distances of planets can be derived in this unit and find a parallel within our body in the form of chakras which are all comparable to various nerve plexi that exist where our sages have suggested the chakras. The movement of prana within the chakras, which are said to be governed by various planets, is in the same proportion as in brahmand.

Modern science deals with many different branches of science. The level of the mind is studied by psychology. The atomic level of creation is studied by physics. The living cell is studied by biology. The body as a whole is studied by anatomy and physiology. The level of the family and society is catered for by sociology. The level of the solar system is studied by astronomy. The structure of our galaxy, which is studied by radio astronomy. The level of the clusters of galaxies and the universe as a whole is studied by cosmology, so on and so forth...

In quest for more knowledge, mankind goes deeper and deeper, towards exclusivity, but is unable to find the binding force, the all pervasive current that flows through the creation… the inclusivity. The creation which appears in separate forms, but is one at the basic of existence. At this point we find the absolute level of existence studied by metaphysics. The metaphysics, which tries to answer our intangible thoughts. Which tries to answer what we call as supernatural, mystical, even religious at times. Yet the answers do not come easy.

Here is a point where Vedas come to our rescue. When studied in the light of different branches of modern science, Vedas become even more revealing. And their text relates to all the levels of creation simultaneously! A case in the point is a basic unit like Nimesa, which runs throughout.

On the basis of this Vedic knowledge, we can also understand why Jyotish can claim to be the science to know everything. It gives an insight into the connectedness of all levels of creation, and it lies at the basis of all other branches of Vedic Science as well.

The basic vedic principle that governs all creation and finally merges all knowledge and all sciences, appears to be, Yatha pinde tatha brahmande which expresses the wholeness of the universe emanating from its infinite smaller forms. Wholeness is expressed in every part, and since this wholeness is contained in every part it has given rise to a holographic structure of creation. It means, " As with a man, so with the Universe " . Microcosmos is in essence the same as the external Macrocosmos. We are all, in potential, the Universal Man.

If you can handle your self, you can handle everything. The great emphasis on self knowledge is expressed in the famous upanishadic verse: " Shantam shivam advaitam chaturtham manyate, sa atma, sa vigyeyah " [ " That eternal peaceful state, which is always auspicious, free from duality, and which the wise describe as the fourth state of consciousness, that is the Self, that is to be known thoroughly, scientifically. " --(Mandukya Upanishad 1.7)]

I have just put some incoherent thoughts. I may not be very clear yet in what I am trying to say. But this is something which can be explored to reveal a wealth of information.RegardsNeelam