Retrograde of Planets

October 20, 2008

Dear Sreenadha,

Very good article. But I have some different observation for retrograde planets particularly for Jupiter. It is said that Jupiter in lagna, particularly, protects the native from from lakhas of doshas. But retrograde Jupiter in lagna does not protect the native. The Jupiter has directional strength in lagna. So I have framed the theory that natural malefic planet in retrogradation become more malefic and natural benefic planet behold the benefic influence and become neutral. The neutral planet gives the result according to his other sign or conjoined with or aspected by a planet.

Regards

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Retrograde of Planets Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:23 AM

Retrograde of Planets

- Written by Sreenadh OG

Retrograde of planet is not an actual phenomena. The truth is â€" planets never retrograde; they are always in direct motion. But since the speed of rotation of planets around Sun and their distance from Sun are different, while viewing from earth we at times feel some planets as â€˜moving backwardsâ€™ or in other words as in retrograde motion, even though in reality it is not so.

Anyway, even though â€˜retrograde motion of planets is not a scientific reality, their concept is given much importance in astrology. There is one unique concept related to retrograde that all astrologers should remember â€" i.e Cheshta Bala.

Cheshta Bala (Ability to act)

The 5 planets Ma-Me-Ju-Ve- Sa has the special ability to act (to provide a visible benefic or malefic result) while in retrograde. Planets who won the Graha Yuddha (Planetary war) and planets placed along with Moon also have the special ability to provide a visible result. It is due to this very fact that retrograde is considered important in astrology.

It is fun to note that, there are diametrically opposite viewpoints regarding the result of retrograde motion.

Retrograde planets are strong

As per Phaladeepika â€"

Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal

Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH

(Phaladeepika)

[Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them stronger)]

Retrograde planets are weak

As per the book Sri Trilokya Prakasa -

Vakraga abala vakran margagaH subhada ravi

Uttarayanago yuddhe grahanamuttaro bali

(Sri Trailokya Prakasa)

[Planets in retrograde are weak, and the planets in direct motion (are strong) and gives benefic results. Sun is strong during Uttarayana and weak during Dakshinayana. During planetary war, the planet in northern side wins (and not the one in southern side)]

Moderate View

Between these extreme views â€" one presented by Phaladeepika (considering all planets in retrograde as strong and benefic) and the other presented by Trilokya Prakasa (considering all planets in retrograde as weak and malefic), most of the popular and well-accepted traditional authentic texts such as Saravali, Dasadhyayi etc seems to take a middle path. As per them, â€˜Benefics in retrograde gives beneficial results while malefics in retrograde gives maleficial results as wellâ€™.

1. Saravali

As per Saravali â€"

Vakrinastu mahaveerya subha rajyaprada nrinam

Papa vyasanadaH pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam

(Saravali)

[if benefic planets are in retrograde, they provide all kinds of beneficial results, makes the native a king by providing a kingdom to rule. But malefic planets in retrograde makes him wander a lot with out benefit (but provides the beneficial results at the end)]

2. Dasadhyayi

Dasadhyayi supplements this derivation with the following statement â€"

Vakram gatasya hi dasabhramayati kulalachakraval purusham

Vyasanani riipu virodham kurute papasya na subhasya

(Dasadhyayi, Saravli)

[Retrograde planets makes the native go in circle and circle (repeating the same task without success again and again) as if fallen into the circular wheel of the pot maker. Sadness, wrath of enemies etc will occur if malefic is in retrograde. (But benefic results will be received at the end). This derivation does not apply to benefics]

3. Jataka Parijata

Jataka Parijata provides some clues but does not provide a clear picture. As per Jataka Parijata â€"

1) Sun and Moon â€" are never in retrograde (so retrograde results does not apply to them)

2) Mars â€" gives good results while in retrograde.

3) Mercury â€" (no comments)

4) Jupiter - (no comments)

5) Venus â€" gives good results while retrograde

6) Saturn â€" is strong while in retrograde. (But no comment about whether benefic or malefic)

7) Rahu and Ketu â€" are always in retrograde (so retrograde results does not apply to them)

Considering the above 3 views together, we can arrive at the following understanding â€"

1) Sun, Moon, Rahu, Ketu â€" Retrograde results does not apply to them

2) Mars â€" Becomes strong in retrograde. Should provide bad results (at the beginning) as per Saravali and Dasadhyayi; but should provide good results (at the end) as per Jataka Parijata.

3) Mercury - Becomes strong in retrograde. Results depend on whether Mercury is benefic or malefic. Mercury alone with one or more benefic becomes a benefic (due to influence) and Mercury with one or more malefic becomes a malefic (due to influence). Benefic Mercury in retrograde gives good results throughout, but malefic Mercury gives bad results in the beginning and good results at the end.

4) Jupiter - Becomes strong in retrograde. Should give beneficial result as per the guidelines given by Saravali and Dasadhyayi. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on this matter is skeptical)

5) Venus â€" Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde.

6) Saturn - Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde. As per Saravali and Dasadhyayi the malefic Saturn should provide malefic results throughout till almost till the end. Near the end it should provide good results. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on predicting beneficial or maleficial result is skeptical)

Secret from the Master:

The general statement good-bad or beneficial-malefici al will not help much in practical astrological result derivation. The actual good or bad result that should be predicted as per the above guideline should be taken from -

1) The house-base result ascribed to that planet

2) The sign-base result ascribed to that planet

All the pointers regarding retrograde planets available, should be used only as a guideline to USE the actual RESULTS pointed by the above two statements.

Exercise

What are the results that should be predicted for -

1) retrograde Jupiter in Taurus in 5th house?

2) retrograde Mercury in Scorpio in 6th house?

3) retrograde Saturn in Aquarius in 9th house?

Take this or any similar example â€" my concern is with the type of example, than with the example itself. At the end I should stress the point, what ever the books and theories may state, being in tune with the actual experience is what makes a theory valuable and acceptable. Therefore while considering this whole theoretical foundation, you should also ask the question â€" whether my (your) actual experience was in tune with this theory for each planet or not? If deviated â€" where and why? It is such â€˜processingâ€™ that provides us with our own â€˜quarterâ€™ share of knowledge, based on the info provided by the master. (Acharyat padamadette, padam sishya swomedhaya.. ......... ......... ..)

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October 20, 2008

Dear Shri Kursija,

as per your theory does it imply that retrograde is in itself not good.

Please clarify.

Thanx & Regards

On 20/10/2008, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

Dear Sreenadha,

Very good article. But I have some different observation for retrograde planets particularly for Jupiter. It is said that Jupiter in lagna, particularly, protects the native from from lakhas of doshas. But retrograde Jupiter in lagna does not protect the native. The Jupiter has directional strength in lagna. So I have framed the theory that natural malefic planet in retrogradation become more malefic and natural benefic planet behold the benefic influence and become neutral. The neutral planet gives the result according to his other sign or conjoined with or aspected by a planet.

Regards

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Retrograde of Planets

Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:23 AM

Retrograde of Planets

- Written by Sreenadh OG

Retrograde of planet is not an actual phenomena. The truth is â€ " planets never retrograde; they are always in direct motion. But since the speed of rotation of planets around Sun and their distance from Sun are different, while viewing from earth we at times feel some planets as â€˜moving backwardsâ€™ or in other words as in retrograde motion, even though in reality it is not so.

Anyway, even though â€˜retrograde motion of planets is not a scientific reality, their concept is given much importance in astrology. There is one unique concept related to retrograde that all astrologers should remember â€ " i.e Cheshta Bala.

Cheshta Bala (Ability to act)

The 5 planets Ma-Me-Ju-Ve- Sa has the special ability to act (to provide a visible benefic or malefic result) while in retrograde. Planets who won the Graha Yuddha (Planetary war) and planets placed along with Moon also have the special ability to provide a visible result. It is due to this very fact that retrograde is considered important in astrology.

It is fun to note that, there are diametrically opposite viewpoints regarding the result of retrograde motion.

Retrograde planets are strong

As per Phaladeepika â€ "

Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal

Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH

(Phaladeepika)

[Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them stronger)]

Retrograde planets are weak

As per the book Sri Trilokya Prakasa -

Vakraga abala vakran margagaH subhada ravi

Uttarayanago yuddhe grahanamuttaro bali (Sri Trailokya Prakasa)

[Planets in retrograde are weak, and the planets in direct motion (are strong) and gives benefic results. Sun is strong during Uttarayana and weak during Dakshinayana. During planetary war, the planet in northern side wins (and not the one in southern side)]

Moderate View

Between these extreme views â€ " one presented by Phaladeepika (considering all planets in retrograde as strong and benefic) and the other presented by Trilokya Prakasa (considering all planets in retrograde as weak and malefic), most of the popular and well-accepted traditional authentic texts such as Saravali, Dasadhyayi etc seems to take a middle path. As per them, â€˜Benefics in retrograde gives beneficial results while malefics in retrograde gives maleficial results as wellâ€™.

1. Saravali

As per Saravali â€ "

Vakrinastu mahaveerya subha rajyaprada nrinam

Papa vyasanadaH pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam

(Saravali)

[if benefic planets are in retrograde, they provide all kinds of beneficial results, makes the native a king by providing a kingdom to rule. But malefic planets in retrograde makes him wander a lot with out benefit (but provides the beneficial results at the end)]

2. Dasadhyayi

Dasadhyayi supplements this derivation with the following statement â€ "

Vakram gatasya hi dasabhramayati kulalachakraval purusham

Vyasanani riipu virodham kurute papasya na subhasya

(Dasadhyayi, Saravli)

[Retrograde planets makes the native go in circle and circle (repeating the same task without success again and again) as if fallen into the circular wheel of the pot maker. Sadness, wrath of enemies etc will occur if malefic is in retrograde. (But benefic results will be received at the end). This derivation does not apply to benefics]

3. Jataka Parijata

Jataka Parijata provides some clues but does not provide a clear picture. As per Jataka Parijata â€ "

1) Sun and Moon â€ " are never in retrograde (so retrograde results does not apply to them)

2) Mars â€ " gives good results while in retrograde.

3) Mercury â€ " (no comments)

4) Jupiter - (no comments)

5) Venus â€ " gives good results while retrograde

6) Saturn â€ " is strong while in retrograde. (But no comment about whether benefic or malefic)

7) Rahu and Ketu â€ " are always in retrograde (so retrograde results does not apply to them)

Considering the above 3 views together, we can arrive at the following understanding â€ "

1) Sun, Moon, Rahu, Ketu â€ " Retrograde results does not apply to them

2) Mars â€ " Becomes strong in retrograde. Should provide bad results (at the beginning) as per Saravali and Dasadhyayi; but should provide good results (at the end) as per Jataka Parijata.

3) Mercury - Becomes strong in retrograde. Results depend on whether Mercury is benefic or malefic. Mercury alone with one or more benefic becomes a benefic (due to influence) and Mercury with one or more malefic becomes a malefic (due to influence). Benefic Mercury in retrograde gives good results throughout, but malefic Mercury gives bad results in the beginning and good results at the end.

4) Jupiter - Becomes strong in retrograde. Should give beneficial result as per the guidelines given by Saravali and Dasadhyayi. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on this matter is skeptical)

5) Venus â€ " Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde.

6) Saturn - Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde. As per Saravali and Dasadhyayi the malefic Saturn should provide malefic results throughout till almost till the end. Near the end it should provide good results. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on predicting beneficial or maleficial result is skeptical)

Secret from the Master: The general statement good-bad or beneficial-malefici al will not help much in practical astrological result derivation. The actual good or bad result that should be predicted as per the above guideline should be taken from - 1) The house-base result ascribed to that planet 2) The sign-base result ascribed to that planet All the pointers regarding retrograde planets available, should be used only as a guideline to USE the actual RESULTS pointed by the above two statements. Exercise

What are the results that should be predicted for - 1) retrograde Jupiter in Taurus in 5th house? 2) retrograde Mercury in Scorpio in 6th house? 3) retrograde Saturn in Aquarius in 9th house? Take this or any similar example â€ " my concern is with the type of example, than with the example itself. At the end I should stress the point, what ever the books and theories may state, being in tune with the actual experience is what makes a theory valuable and acceptable. Therefore while considering this whole theoretical foundation, you should also ask the question â€ " whether my (your) actual experience was in tune with this theory for each planet or not? If deviated â€ " where and why? It is such â€˜processingâ€™ that provides us with our own â€˜quarterâ€™ share of knowledge, based on the info provided by the master. (Acharyat padamadette, padam sishya swomedhaya.. ......... ......... ..)

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October 20, 2008

dear Shri Kursija ji and all,

Yes, Retrogression for planets may not be good actually, as observed in few cases. But I may not be right fully, for am not an expert or authentic person on this.

Can anyone of you give us more pointers from the Shastras for Retrograde but debilitated Jupiter ? I had Deva Keralam many years back, which I have no more now, which I remember had contained some verses and given very much benefic results for the same.

regards,

Bhaskar

, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Dear Sreenadha, > Very good article. But I have some different observation for retrograde planets particularly for Jupiter. It is said that Jupiter in lagna, particularly, protects the native from from lakhas of doshas. But retrograde Jupiter in lagna does not protect the native. The Jupiter has directional strength in lagna. So I have framed the theory that natural malefic planet in retrogradation become more malefic and natural benefic planet behold the benefic influence and become neutral. The neutral planet gives the result according to his other sign or conjoined with or aspected by a planet.> Regards> > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > Sreenadh sreesog Retrograde of Planets> > Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:23 AM> > > > > > > > Retrograde of Planets> - Written by Sreenadh OG > > Retrograde of planet is not an actual phenomena. The truth is â€" planets never retrograde; they are always in direct motion. But since the speed of rotation of planets around Sun and their distance from Sun are different, while viewing from earth we at times feel some planets as â€˜moving backwardsâ€™ or in other words as in retrograde motion, even though in reality it is not so. > Anyway, even though â€˜retrograde motion of planets is not a scientific reality, their concept is given much importance in astrology. There is one unique concept related to retrograde that all astrologers should remember â€" i.e Cheshta Bala. > Cheshta Bala (Ability to act) > The 5 planets Ma-Me-Ju-Ve- Sa has the special ability to act (to provide a visible benefic or malefic result) while in retrograde. Planets who won the Graha Yuddha (Planetary war) and planets placed along with Moon also have the special ability to provide a visible result. It is due to this very fact that retrograde is considered important in astrology. > It is fun to note that, there are diametrically opposite viewpoints regarding the result of retrograde motion.> Retrograde planets are strong > As per Phaladeepika â€"> Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal> Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH > (Phaladeepika)> [Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them stronger)]> Retrograde planets are weak> As per the book Sri Trilokya Prakasa -> Vakraga abala vakran margagaH subhada ravi> Uttarayanago yuddhe grahanamuttaro bali> (Sri Trailokya Prakasa)> [Planets in retrograde are weak, and the planets in direct motion (are strong) and gives benefic results. Sun is strong during Uttarayana and weak during Dakshinayana. During planetary war, the planet in northern side wins (and not the one in southern side)]> Moderate View > Between these extreme views â€" one presented by Phaladeepika (considering all planets in retrograde as strong and benefic) and the other presented by Trilokya Prakasa (considering all planets in retrograde as weak and malefic), most of the popular and well-accepted traditional authentic texts such as Saravali, Dasadhyayi etc seems to take a middle path. As per them, â€˜Benefics in retrograde gives beneficial results while malefics in retrograde gives maleficial results as wellâ€™. > 1. Saravali > As per Saravali â€"> Vakrinastu mahaveerya subha rajyaprada nrinam> Papa vyasanadaH pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam> (Saravali)> [if benefic planets are in retrograde, they provide all kinds of beneficial results, makes the native a king by providing a kingdom to rule. But malefic planets in retrograde makes him wander a lot with out benefit (but provides the beneficial results at the end)]> 2. Dasadhyayi> Dasadhyayi supplements this derivation with the following statement â€"> Vakram gatasya hi dasabhramayati kulalachakraval purusham> Vyasanani riipu virodham kurute papasya na subhasya> (Dasadhyayi, Saravli)> [Retrograde planets makes the native go in circle and circle (repeating the same task without success again and again) as if fallen into the circular wheel of the pot maker. Sadness, wrath of enemies etc will occur if malefic is in retrograde. (But benefic results will be received at the end). This derivation does not apply to benefics]> 3. Jataka Parijata> Jataka Parijata provides some clues but does not provide a clear picture. As per Jataka Parijata â€"> 1) Sun and Moon â€" are never in retrograde (so retrograde results does not apply to them)> 2) Mars â€" gives good results while in retrograde.> 3) Mercury â€" (no comments)> 4) Jupiter - (no comments)> 5) Venus â€" gives good results while retrograde> 6) Saturn â€" is strong while in retrograde. (But no comment about whether benefic or malefic)> 7) Rahu and Ketu â€" are always in retrograde (so retrograde results does not apply to them)> Considering the above 3 views together, we can arrive at the following understanding â€"> 1) Sun, Moon, Rahu, Ketu â€" Retrograde results does not apply to them> 2) Mars â€" Becomes strong in retrograde. Should provide bad results (at the beginning) as per Saravali and Dasadhyayi; but should provide good results (at the end) as per Jataka Parijata.> 3) Mercury - Becomes strong in retrograde. Results depend on whether Mercury is benefic or malefic. Mercury alone with one or more benefic becomes a benefic (due to influence) and Mercury with one or more malefic becomes a malefic (due to influence). Benefic Mercury in retrograde gives good results throughout, but malefic Mercury gives bad results in the beginning and good results at the end.> 4) Jupiter - Becomes strong in retrograde. Should give beneficial result as per the guidelines given by Saravali and Dasadhyayi. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on this matter is skeptical)> 5) Venus â€" Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde.> 6) Saturn - Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde. As per Saravali and Dasadhyayi the malefic Saturn should provide malefic results throughout till almost till the end. Near the end it should provide good results. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on predicting beneficial or maleficial result is skeptical)> > Secret from the Master:> The general statement good-bad or beneficial-malefici al will not help much in practical astrological result derivation. The actual good or bad result that should be predicted as per the above guideline should be taken from -> 1) The house-base result ascribed to that planet> 2) The sign-base result ascribed to that planet> All the pointers regarding retrograde planets available, should be used only as a guideline to USE the actual RESULTS pointed by the above two statements.> > Exercise> What are the results that should be predicted for -> 1) retrograde Jupiter in Taurus in 5th house?> 2) retrograde Mercury in Scorpio in 6th house?> 3) retrograde Saturn in Aquarius in 9th house?> Take this or any similar example â€" my concern is with the type of example, than with the example itself. At the end I should stress the point, what ever the books and theories may state, being in tune with the actual experience is what makes a theory valuable and acceptable. Therefore while considering this whole theoretical foundation, you should also ask the question â€" whether my (your) actual experience was in tune with this theory for each planet or not? If deviated â€" where and why? It is such â€˜processingâ€™ that provides us with our own â€˜quarterâ€™ share of knowledge, based on the info provided by the master. (Acharyat padamadette, padam sishya swomedhaya.. ......... ......... ..) > - 0 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

October 20, 2008

PLEASE READ THE FIRST LINE OF MY MAIL AS -

" Yes, Retrogression for EXALTED planets may not be good actually"

I have no comments on actual retrogression, but only commenting on exalted retro, and debilitated retro.

regards/Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > dear Shri Kursija ji and all,> > Yes, Retrogression for planets may not be good actually, as observed in> few cases. But I may not be right fully, for am not an expert or> authentic person on this.> > Can anyone of you give us more pointers from the Shastras for Retrograde> but debilitated Jupiter ? I had Deva Keralam many years back, which I> have no more now, which I remember had contained some verses and given> very much benefic results for the same.> > regards,> > Bhaskar> > > > > , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadha,> > Very good article. But I have some different observation for> retrograde planets particularly for Jupiter. It is said that Jupiter in> lagna, particularly, protects the native from from lakhas of doshas. But> retrograde Jupiter in lagna does not protect the native. The Jupiter has> directional strength in lagna. So I have framed the theory that natural> malefic planet in retrogradation become more malefic and natural benefic> planet behold the benefic influence and become neutral. The neutral> planet gives the result according to his other sign or conjoined with or> aspected by a planet.> > Regards> >> >> > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Sreenadh sreesog@> > Retrograde of Planets> > > > Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:23 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Retrograde of Planets> > - Written by Sreenadh OG> >> > Retrograde of planet is not an actual phenomena. The truth is â€"> planets never retrograde; they are always in direct motion. But since> the speed of rotation of planets around Sun and their distance from Sun> are different, while viewing from earth we at times feel some planets as> â€˜moving backwardsâ€™ or in other words as in retrograde> motion, even though in reality it is not so.> > Anyway, even though â€˜retrograde motion of planets is not a> scientific reality, their concept is given much importance in astrology.> There is one unique concept related to retrograde that all astrologers> should remember â€" i.e Cheshta Bala.> > Cheshta Bala (Ability to act)> > The 5 planets Ma-Me-Ju-Ve- Sa has the special ability to act (to> provide a visible benefic or malefic result) while in retrograde.> Planets who won the Graha Yuddha (Planetary war) and planets placed> along with Moon also have the special ability to provide a visible> result. It is due to this very fact that retrograde is considered> important in astrology.> > It is fun to note that, there are diametrically opposite viewpoints> regarding the result of retrograde motion.> > Retrograde planets are strong> > As per Phaladeepika â€"> > Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal> > Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH> > (Phaladeepika)> > [Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is> retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted> (since exaltation makes them stronger)]> > Retrograde planets are weak> > As per the book Sri Trilokya Prakasa -> > Vakraga abala vakran margagaH subhada ravi> > Uttarayanago yuddhe grahanamuttaro bali> > (Sri Trailokya Prakasa)> > [Planets in retrograde are weak, and the planets in direct motion (are> strong) and gives benefic results. Sun is strong during Uttarayana and> weak during Dakshinayana. During planetary war, the planet in northern> side wins (and not the one in southern side)]> > Moderate View> > Between these extreme views â€" one presented by Phaladeepika> (considering all planets in retrograde as strong and benefic) and the> other presented by Trilokya Prakasa (considering all planets in> retrograde as weak and malefic), most of the popular and well-accepted> traditional authentic texts such as Saravali, Dasadhyayi etc seems to> take a middle path. As per them, â€˜Benefics in retrograde gives> beneficial results while malefics in retrograde gives maleficial results> as wellâ€™.> > 1. Saravali> > As per Saravali â€"> > Vakrinastu mahaveerya subha rajyaprada nrinam> > Papa vyasanadaH pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam> > (Saravali)> > [if benefic planets are in retrograde, they provide all kinds of> beneficial results, makes the native a king by providing a kingdom to> rule. But malefic planets in retrograde makes him wander a lot with out> benefit (but provides the beneficial results at the end)]> > 2. Dasadhyayi> > Dasadhyayi supplements this derivation with the following statement> â€"> > Vakram gatasya hi dasabhramayati kulalachakraval purusham> > Vyasanani riipu virodham kurute papasya na subhasya> > (Dasadhyayi, Saravli)> > [Retrograde planets makes the native go in circle and circle> (repeating the same task without success again and again) as if fallen> into the circular wheel of the pot maker. Sadness, wrath of enemies etc> will occur if malefic is in retrograde. (But benefic results will be> received at the end). This derivation does not apply to benefics]> > 3. Jataka Parijata> > Jataka Parijata provides some clues but does not provide a clear> picture. As per Jataka Parijata â€"> > 1) Sun and Moon â€" are never in retrograde (so retrograde> results does not apply to them)> > 2) Mars â€" gives good results while in retrograde.> > 3) Mercury â€" (no comments)> > 4) Jupiter - (no comments)> > 5) Venus â€" gives good results while retrograde> > 6) Saturn â€" is strong while in retrograde. (But no comment> about whether benefic or malefic)> > 7) Rahu and Ketu â€" are always in retrograde (so retrograde> results does not apply to them)> > Considering the above 3 views together, we can arrive at the following> understanding â€"> > 1) Sun, Moon, Rahu, Ketu â€" Retrograde results does not> apply to them> > 2) Mars â€" Becomes strong in retrograde. Should provide bad> results (at the beginning) as per Saravali and Dasadhyayi; but should> provide good results (at the end) as per Jataka Parijata.> > 3) Mercury - Becomes strong in retrograde. Results depend on> whether Mercury is benefic or malefic. Mercury alone with one or more> benefic becomes a benefic (due to influence) and Mercury with one or> more malefic becomes a malefic (due to influence). Benefic Mercury in> retrograde gives good results throughout, but malefic Mercury gives bad> results in the beginning and good results at the end.> > 4) Jupiter - Becomes strong in retrograde. Should give beneficial> result as per the guidelines given by Saravali and Dasadhyayi. (Jataka> Parijataâ€™s silence on this matter is skeptical)> > 5) Venus â€" Becomes strong and gives good results in> retrograde.> > 6) Saturn - Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde.> As per Saravali and Dasadhyayi the malefic Saturn should provide malefic> results throughout till almost till the end. Near the end it should> provide good results. (Jataka Parijataâ€™s silence on predicting> beneficial or maleficial result is skeptical)> >> > Secret from the Master:> > The general statement good-bad or beneficial-malefici al> will not help much in practical astrological result derivation. The> actual good or bad result that should be predicted as per the above> guideline should be taken from -> > 1) The house-base result ascribed to that planet> > 2) The sign-base result ascribed to that planet> > All the pointers regarding retrograde planets available, should be> used only as a guideline to USE the actual RESULTS pointed by the above> two statements.> >> > Exercise> > What are the results that should be predicted for -> > 1) retrograde Jupiter in Taurus in 5th house?> > 2) retrograde Mercury in Scorpio in 6th house?> > 3) retrograde Saturn in Aquarius in 9th house?> > Take this or any similar example â€" my concern is with the type> of example, than with the example itself. At the end I should stress the> point, what ever the books and theories may state, being in tune with> the actual experience is what makes a theory valuable and acceptable.> Therefore while considering this whole theoretical foundation, you> should also ask the question â€" whether my (your) actual experience> was in tune with this theory for each planet or not? If deviated â€"> where and why? It is such â€˜processingâ€™ that provides us> with our own â€˜quarterâ€™ share of knowledge, based on the> info provided by the master. (Acharyat padamadette, padam sishya> swomedhaya.. ......... ......... ..)> > - 0 -> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>

October 20, 2008

Dear Sirs,

In Eastern India, some astrologers suggest that there is

difference between exlated retrograde planets based on

1) Retro movement away from exaltation points

2) Retro movement towards exlation point ..

or in a nutshell ...based on Aarohini / Avarohini movements.

Don't know whether the same is supported by any classics

or not.

I know a person with Retro exlated Jup (at 7 deg) at 4H.

He is going thru' Jup-Jup.. but really in dire straits.

If anybody interested, may have a look too.

Name ---- K

DOB : February 16, 1979

TOB : 10:07 hrs

POB -- amritsar, India

regards

chakraborty

Bhaskar [rajiventerprises]Monday, October 20, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Retrograde of Planets

PLEASE READ THE FIRST LINE OF MY MAIL AS -

" Yes, Retrogression for EXALTED planets may not be good actually"

I have no comments on actual retrogression, but only commenting on exalted retro, and debilitated retro.

regards/Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > dear Shri Kursija ji and all,> > Yes, Retrogression for planets may not be good actually, as observed in> few cases. But I may not be right fully, for am not an expert or> authentic person on this.> > Can anyone of you give us more pointers from the Shastras for Retrograde> but debilitated Jupiter ? I had Deva Keralam many years back, which I> have no more now, which I remember had contained some verses and given> very much benefic results for the same.> > regards,> > Bhaskar> > > > > , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadha,> > Very good article. But I have some different observation for> retrograde planets particularly for Jupiter. It is said that Jupiter in> lagna, particularly, protects the native from from lakhas of doshas. But> retrograde Jupiter in lagna does not protect the native. The Jupiter has> directional strength in lagna. So I have framed the theory that natural> malefic planet in retrogradation become more malefic and natural benefic> planet behold the benefic influence and become neutral. The neutral> planet gives the result according to his other sign or conjoined with or> aspected by a planet.> > Regards> >> >> > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Sreenadh sreesog@> > Retrograde of Planets> > > > Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:23 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Retrograde of Planets> > - Written by Sreenadh OG> >> > Retrograde of planet is not an actual phenomena. The truth is â€"> planets never retrograde; they are always in direct motion. But since> the speed of rotation of planets around Sun and their distance from Sun> are different, while viewing from earth we at times feel some planets as> â€˜moving backwardsâ€ or in other words as in retrograde> motion, even though in reality it is not so.> > Anyway, even though â€˜retrograde motion of planets is not a> scientific reality, their concept is given much importance in astrology.> There is one unique concept related to retrograde that all astrologers> should remember â€" i.e Cheshta Bala.> > Cheshta Bala (Ability to act)> > The 5 planets Ma-Me-Ju-Ve- Sa has the special ability to act (to> provide a visible benefic or malefic result) while in retrograde.> Planets who won the Graha Yuddha (Planetary war) and planets placed> along with Moon also have the special ability to provide a visible> result. It is due to this very fact that retrograde is considered> important in astrology.> > It is fun to note that, there are diametrically opposite viewpoints> regarding the result of retrograde motion.> > Retrograde planets are strong> > As per Phaladeepika â€"> > Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal> > Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH> > (Phaladeepika)> > [Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is> retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted> (since exaltation makes them stronger)]> > Retrograde planets are weak> > As per the book Sri Trilokya Prakasa -> > Vakraga abala vakran margagaH subhada ravi> > Uttarayanago yuddhe grahanamuttaro bali> > (Sri Trailokya Prakasa)> > [Planets in retrograde are weak, and the planets in direct motion (are> strong) and gives benefic results. Sun is strong during Uttarayana and> weak during Dakshinayana. During planetary war, the planet in northern> side wins (and not the one in southern side)]> > Moderate View> > Between these extreme views â€" one presented by Phaladeepika> (considering all planets in retrograde as strong and benefic) and the> other presented by Trilokya Prakasa (considering all planets in> retrograde as weak and malefic), most of the popular and well-accepted> traditional authentic texts such as Saravali, Dasadhyayi etc seems to> take a middle path. As per them, â€˜Benefics in retrograde gives> beneficial results while malefics in retrograde gives maleficial results> as wellâ€.> > 1. Saravali> > As per Saravali â€"> > Vakrinastu mahaveerya subha rajyaprada nrinam> > Papa vyasanadaH pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam> > (Saravali)> > [if benefic planets are in retrograde, they provide all kinds of> beneficial results, makes the native a king by providing a kingdom to> rule. But malefic planets in retrograde makes him wander a lot with out> benefit (but provides the beneficial results at the end)]> > 2. Dasadhyayi> > Dasadhyayi supplements this derivation with the following statement> â€"> > Vakram gatasya hi dasabhramayati kulalachakraval purusham> > Vyasanani riipu virodham kurute papasya na subhasya> > (Dasadhyayi, Saravli)> > [Retrograde planets makes the native go in circle and circle> (repeating the same task without success again and again) as if fallen> into the circular wheel of the pot maker. Sadness, wrath of enemies etc> will occur if malefic is in retrograde. (But benefic results will be> received at the end). This derivation does not apply to benefics]> > 3. Jataka Parijata> > Jataka Parijata provides some clues but does not provide a clear> picture. As per Jataka Parijata â€"> > 1) Sun and Moon â€" are never in retrograde (so retrograde> results does not apply to them)> > 2) Mars â€" gives good results while in retrograde.> > 3) Mercury â€" (no comments)> > 4) Jupiter - (no comments)> > 5) Venus â€" gives good results while retrograde> > 6) Saturn â€" is strong while in retrograde. (But no comment> about whether benefic or malefic)> > 7) Rahu and Ketu â€" are always in retrograde (so retrograde> results does not apply to them)> > Considering the above 3 views together, we can arrive at the following> understanding â€"> > 1) Sun, Moon, Rahu, Ketu â€" Retrograde results does not> apply to them> > 2) Mars â€" Becomes strong in retrograde. Should provide bad> results (at the beginning) as per Saravali and Dasadhyayi; but should> provide good results (at the end) as per Jataka Parijata.> > 3) Mercury - Becomes strong in retrograde. Results depend on> whether Mercury is benefic or malefic. Mercury alone with one or more> benefic becomes a benefic (due to influence) and Mercury with one or> more malefic becomes a malefic (due to influence). Benefic Mercury in> retrograde gives good results throughout, but malefic Mercury gives bad> results in the beginning and good results at the end.> > 4) Jupiter - Becomes strong in retrograde. Should give beneficial> result as per the guidelines given by Saravali and Dasadhyayi. (Jataka> Parijataâ€s silence on this matter is skeptical)> > 5) Venus â€" Becomes strong and gives good results in> retrograde.> > 6) Saturn - Becomes strong and gives good results in retrograde.> As per Saravali and Dasadhyayi the malefic Saturn should provide malefic> results throughout till almost till the end. Near the end it should> provide good results. (Jataka Parijataâ€s silence on predicting> beneficial or maleficial result is skeptical)> >> > Secret from the Master:> > The general statement good-bad or beneficial-malefici al> will not help much in practical astrological result derivation. The> actual good or bad result that should be predicted as per the above> guideline should be taken from -> > 1) The house-base result ascribed to that planet> > 2) The sign-base result ascribed to that planet> > All the pointers regarding retrograde planets available, should be> used only as a guideline to USE the actual RESULTS pointed by the above> two statements.> >> > Exercise> > What are the results that should be predicted for -> > 1) retrograde Jupiter in Taurus in 5th house?> > 2) retrograde Mercury in Scorpio in 6th house?> > 3) retrograde Saturn in Aquarius in 9th house?> > Take this or any similar example â€" my concern is with the type> of example, than with the example itself. At the end I should stress the> point, what ever the books and theories may state, being in tune with> the actual experience is what makes a theory valuable and acceptable.> Therefore while considering this whole theoretical foundation, you> should also ask the question â€" whether my (your) actual experience> was in tune with this theory for each planet or not? If deviated â€"> where and why? It is such â€˜processingâ€ that provides us> with our own â€˜quarterâ€ share of knowledge, based on the> info provided by the master. (Acharyat padamadette, padam sishya> swomedhaya.. ......... ......... ..)> > - 0 -> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>

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October 20, 2008

Dear Chakraborthy,

Birth Data, Male, DOB : February 16, 1979 TOB : 10:07 hrs, POB -- amritsar, IndiaUnderstandable that person you mentioned in your email, is undergoing 9HL & 12HL Exalted Jupiter dasha, aspected by exalted LL & 8HL Mars. Jupiter is sharing the amsa with Debilitated Venus, the basic karaka for "aishwariya" { not the Aishwariya that you all aspire.... now married to Abhishek Bachchan ...so spare her !!}. What the native is experiencing is the power of exalted planets..... do not worry...things would be ok for him later..... { as I write this - hear that Ekta Kapoor's famously borish serial would come to an end on 10 Nov. 2008 for Star TV would stop telecasting it...... Hope & Trust she does not get any help from Benefic Planets.....}.

He has a married / going to marry a good "homely" garal.... destined by planets !!!??!!

Note: Kindly write to me offline how the 20 yrs old boy was harrassed by women as said by you.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:Dear Sirs, I know a person with Retro exlated Jup (at 7 deg) at 4H. He is going thru' Jup-Jup.. but really in dire straits. If anybody interested, may have a look too. Name ---- K DOB : February 16, 1979 TOB : 10:07 hrs POB -- amritsar, India regards > chakraborty>

October 20, 2008

Dear Sreenivas-ji,

I have sent an offline reply to you, with the relevant links for the

original post.

'Hope it helps

regards

chakraborty

sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]Monday, October 20, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Retrograde of Planets

Dear Chakraborthy,

Birth Data, Male, DOB : February 16, 1979 TOB : 10:07 hrs, POB -- amritsar, IndiaUnderstandable that person you mentioned in your email, is undergoing 9HL & 12HL Exalted Jupiter dasha, aspected by exalted LL & 8HL Mars. Jupiter is sharing the amsa with Debilitated Venus, the basic karaka for "aishwariya" { not the Aishwariya that you all aspire.... now married to Abhishek Bachchan ...so spare her !!}. What the native is experiencing is the power of exalted planets..... do not worry...things would be ok for him later..... { as I write this - hear that Ekta Kapoor's famously borish serial would come to an end on 10 Nov. 2008 for Star TV would stop telecasting it...... Hope & Trust she does not get any help from Benefic Planets.....}.

He has a married / going to marry a good "homely" garal.... destined by planets !!!??!!

Note: Kindly write to me offline how the 20 yrs old boy was harrassed by women as said by you.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:Dear Sirs, I know a person with Retro exlated Jup (at 7 deg) at 4H. He is going thru' Jup-Jup.. but really in dire straits. If anybody interested, may have a look too. Name ---- K DOB : February 16, 1979 TOB : 10:07 hrs POB -- amritsar, India regards > chakraborty>

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October 21, 2008

Dear Sreeram JiCouple of doubts here. Would be great to hear your opinion.I agree with you that the native is going through 9l and 12l (jup-exalted-retro) MD. You are right that Jup is sharing the amsa with deb venus and hence lack of aishwarya but a strong venus ( Nak lord ven as well) is placed in the 9th house, which is the house of dasha lord. I mean in the hindsight its ok to conclude that due to amsa the native is feeling the troubles but ideally as a blank chart (where we dont know the current status) how should we conclude.Also whats ur take on 2 exalted planets aspecting each other (jup and mars in this case) Some astrologers specially in south india take it to be bad and

quote lord sri ram's chart as an example. So would be nice to hear ur opinion.Also i have heard theories that Jup causes harm to the house its placed in (specially 4th house). Ideology is that lets conider jup as a great divine teacher and when he is in ur 4th house of home then you always have lot of ppl coming in to meet the teacher all the time and hence you are never at peace or peace in the mind because of a great divine teacher staying in ur home. If a great divine teacher is staying in our home then obviously the native is always on his toes working for the guru's comforts and also looking after the ppl who come to meet him.But the aspects work very well, more than the placement in that case. ur on this theory views are welcome.Wondering why u enquired abt marriage? You see that in jup-jup? (considering jup is placed with deb ven in navamsa). Would that alsways be the case in whole of Jup Md. Then how can we conclude abt

mariage.I am just wondering..would be nice to hear your views and well as views of Chakra Ji:)RegardsKabirasreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2008 4:20:09 AM Re: Retrograde of Planets

Dear Chakraborthy,

Birth Data, Male, DOB : February 16, 1979 TOB : 10:07 hrs, POB -- amritsar, IndiaUnderstandable that person you mentioned in your email, is undergoing 9HL & 12HL Exalted Jupiter dasha, aspected by exalted LL & 8HL Mars. Jupiter is sharing the amsa with Debilitated Venus, the basic karaka for "aishwariya" { not the Aishwariya that you all aspire.... now married to Abhishek Bachchan ...so spare her !!}. What the native is experiencing is the power of exalted planets..... do not worry...things would be ok for him later..... { as I write this - hear that Ekta Kapoor's famously borish serial would come to an end on 10 Nov. 2008 for Star TV would stop telecasting it...... Hope & Trust she does not get any help from Benefic Planets..... }.

He has a married / going to marry a good "homely" garal.... destined by planets !!!??!!

Note: Kindly write to me offline how the 20 yrs old boy was harrassed by women as said by you.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...> wrote:Dear Sirs, I know a person with Retro exlated Jup (at 7 deg) at 4H. He is going thru' Jup-Jup.. but really in dire straits. If anybody interested, may have a look too. Name ---- K DOB : February 16, 1979 TOB : 10:07 hrs POB -- amritsar, India regards > chakraborty>

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October 21, 2008

Dear Sumit Bajaj,

Thanks for the mail.

The retrograde benefic planet with hold the benefic results does not mean that it gives malefic results. It only means that it does not give benefic results. It does not protect the individual from balarishtha. For this it require that I should give some chart of child in which Jupiter is retrograde and the child died in the age of balarishtha, where as Mansagari says that the Jupiter saves the child from lakhs of dosha if posited in lagna.--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000 wrote:

Sumit Bajaj <sumitbajaj2000Re: Retrograde of Planets Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:19 PM

Dear Shri Kursija,

as per your theory does it imply that retrograde is in itself not good.

Please clarify.

Thanx & Regards

On 20/10/2008, S.C. Kursija <sckursija > wrote:

Dear Sreenadha,

Very good article. But I have some different observation for retrograde planets particularly for Jupiter. It is said that Jupiter in lagna, particularly, protects the native from from lakhas of doshas. But retrograde Jupiter in lagna does not protect the native. The Jupiter has directional strength in lagna. So I have framed the theory that natural malefic planet in retrogradation become more malefic and natural benefic planet behold the benefic influence and become neutral. The neutral planet gives the result according to his other sign or conjoined with or aspected by a planet.

Regards

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde of Planetsancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, October 20, 2008, 10:23 AM