How 11th house is benefic

October 19, 2008

Lal Kitab perspective

Dear Bohra ji

House # 11

Ghar 11 mein grah jo aave, taseer shani vah hota hai

Ghar 3 khali 11 sove , kismet shani par hoti hai

Shani guru us teve mein jaise, kahin bhi uske baithe hon

Phal vaise hi ghar 11 ke, us teve mein hote hon

The planets placed in the 11th house will behave according

to the nature of Saturn. If the 3rd house is unoccupied the

planets placed in the 11th will be considered as dormant.

If that is so, then the remedies will have to be done to

awaken them.

The effects of the planets of the 11th house will depend on

how the Jupiter and the Saturn are placed in that horoscope.

If there is either Venus or ketu in the 3rd, or if there is any

friend of Jupiter in the 3rd then the planet/s placed in the

11th house will give good results.

If there is Ketu in the 11th it will destroy the moon and

vice versa. If there is Jupiter in the 11th then it will destroy

rahu and vice versa.

Faqeer ki jholi ki kismet ginte : The planets placed in the

11th are like the jholi of the faqeer. You never know what

is in store for you in that jholi. There could be some thing

benefic or even malefic for you in that faqeer ki jholi.

Except for Saturn, rahu and Ketu all the planets placed in

the 11th are be-aitbaar [ unreliable ].

The planets placed in the 11th house will give their benefic

results in the 11,23,36,48,57,72,84,94 years.

The Lal Kitab then goes on to give detailed results of each

planet in the 11th house.

Just an example :

Jupiter benefic : so long as the native stays with his family

and so long as the father is alive, even a snake would bow

down before him.

Jupiter malefic : separate from the father either due to death

or otherwise; of loose character; doing business of a malefic

planet; or associated with a relative representing a malefic

planet in the kundali, then he can not even stand before a

mosquito, he will lead such a miserable life that he may

even be deprived of a shroud.

Sincerely,

S P Khurana

, "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Every astrological text book says 11th house is benefic(Labh),how you> can describe it where :-> 1.11th house is 3rd from 9th house(bhagyesh,dharmesh,house of father)> 2.11th house is 8th from 4th house(Shukh,Mother,Fame,land)> 3.11th house is 6th from 6th house,as per Bhawatm-Bhawam become> negative and represent for debt,enemy,ill-health.> 4.11th house is 7th from 5th house,Marka for> children,education,wisdom,Purva Janam Karma.> > What are the astrological reason to say 11th house is benefic house> and every planet become benefic in this house?I would like to know by> all of you learned astrologer to describe it.> Thanks,> M.S.Bohra>

October 19, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear SP khurana ji

Thanks for the efforts and time and incilnation of u for teaching and giving us ideas abt Lal kitab .esp a book shrouded with lot of mystery .

i hav one request to u - can u tell us ,what r the conditions which can make a planet malefic or benefic for one purticular chart .Even i request u to giv us tips on various aspects of lal kitab for novices like us .Also i hope other memebrs wont hav any objuctions as we r here for seeing truth and wisdom .

pls take ur time but giv us exhustiv answers but only when u r free to do it .

thanking u in advance

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "khurana_satpal" <khurana_satpal wrote:>> > Lal Kitab perspective> > Dear Bohra ji> > > > House # 11> > > > Ghar 11 mein grah jo aave, taseer shani vah hota hai> > Ghar 3 khali 11 sove , kismet shani par hoti hai> > Shani guru us teve mein jaise, kahin bhi uske baithe hon> > Phal vaise hi ghar 11 ke, us teve mein hote hon> > > > The planets placed in the 11th house will behave according> > to the nature of Saturn. If the 3rd house is unoccupied the> > planets placed in the 11th will be considered as dormant.> > If that is so, then the remedies will have to be done to> > awaken them.> > > > The effects of the planets of the 11th house will depend on> > how the Jupiter and the Saturn are placed in that horoscope.> > If there is either Venus or ketu in the 3rd, or if there is any> > friend of Jupiter in the 3rd then the planet/s placed in the> > 11th house will give good results.> > > > If there is Ketu in the 11th it will destroy the moon and> > vice versa. If there is Jupiter in the 11th then it will destroy> > rahu and vice versa.> > > > Faqeer ki jholi ki kismet ginte : The planets placed in the> > 11th are like the jholi of the faqeer. You never know what> > is in store for you in that jholi. There could be some thing> > benefic or even malefic for you in that faqeer ki jholi.> > > > Except for Saturn, rahu and Ketu all the planets placed in> > the 11th are be-aitbaar [ unreliable ].> > > > The planets placed in the 11th house will give their benefic> > results in the 11,23,36,48,57,72,84,94 years.> > > > The Lal Kitab then goes on to give detailed results of each> > planet in the 11th house.> > > > Just an example :> > > > Jupiter benefic : so long as the native stays with his family> > and so long as the father is alive, even a snake would bow> > down before him.> > > > Jupiter malefic : separate from the father either due to death> > or otherwise; of loose character; doing business of a malefic> > planet; or associated with a relative representing a malefic> > planet in the kundali, then he can not even stand before a> > mosquito, he will lead such a miserable life that he may> > even be deprived of a shroud.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > S P Khurana> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "msbohra62"> msbohra62@ wrote:> >> > Every astrological text book says 11th house is benefic(Labh),how you> > can describe it where :-> > 1.11th house is 3rd from 9th house(bhagyesh,dharmesh,house of father)> > 2.11th house is 8th from 4th house(Shukh,Mother,Fame,land)> > 3.11th house is 6th from 6th house,as per Bhawatm-Bhawam become> > negative and represent for debt,enemy,ill-health.> > 4.11th house is 7th from 5th house,Marka for> > children,education,wisdom,Purva Janam Karma.> >> > What are the astrological reason to say 11th house is benefic house> > and every planet become benefic in this house?I would like to know by> > all of you learned astrologer to describe it.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> >>

October 19, 2008

Lal Kitab Perspective

Dear Sunil ji,

As far as the Lal Kitab is concerned I am a beginner yet,

therefore I can not have pretensions of being able to teach

any one. But definitely as and when some topic comes up

in the group I would love to share the Lal Kitab perspective.

Now coming to your question as to when a planet acts

benefic and when it acts as a malefic.

Lal Kitab believes that all planets are capable of acting

benefic and malefic. Therefore a Jupiter can be a malefic too

while a Saturn or a Rahu can be a benefic. This will depend

on two things. Firstly the placement in the horoscope

which will take into account its relationships with other

planets. And secondly our own â€˜acharanâ€™ our own actions

so much so that we, through our own actions, can turn

even a Jupiter into a malefic.

Therefore first it is the placement of the planet which is

studied to ascertain whether a planet is benefic or a malefic.

Secondly it is through the indications or what the Lal Kitab

calls nishaniyan the astrologer gets from the native while

telling his woes.

I am quoting from a series on Jupiter which was carried

out in the group almost a year back

by shri Kulbir Bains and Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji.

Here is the Jupiter in the 4th house where it is considered

as exalted and still can act malefic under certain circumstances.

Jupiter in the 4th house :

1. Offers benefic results if house number2,5,9,11,12 do not havemercury, venus, rahu or shani in paapi capacity.

2. Moon in 1st house and Saturn in 10th house = all types ofcomfort of conveyance is bestowed.

3. When male planets are good i.e sun and mars ; the father ofthe native is blessed with judicial or authoritative powers.

4. When moon is in house no. 2, Saturn and rahu's generalnature governs the overall malefic/benefic effects of the native'sdestiny. If their nature is nek, the native will be blessed bybusiness and wealth of ancestors, enjoys good reputation in societyand also holds some important government post. But in such ascenario the health of the native is not good and he has togenerally spend about one-fourth of his income on maintaining goodhealth. Royal disposition blessed with wealth, servants, royalsymbols, decorated continuously.

5. House no 10 empty, Jupiter in 4th is dormant, such a nativeshould never let anybody see his naked body to attain good effectsof Jupiter 4.

6. With the exception of moon in 2nd house, moon in each houseis best and native doesn't has to spend a large amount on his health.

7. When moon is qayam and the native maintains it so. If motheris alive, the education is completed despite hurdles. But if themother leaves the native early, the education is completed fromstart to finish without any difficulty.

8. When ketu is good in the horoscope, money spend on theeducation of the native or spend by him on education of othersreturns with interest. If maintains good character, blessed with along life.

9. Mercury benefic or sun in house 10, well qualified,skilled, learned but condition of fortune is not there. Wellrenowned in family and government.

10. Saturn in house no 2,9,10 good natured, famed, helpful andcharitable, royal residence and all sorts of comforts.

11. When rahu is benefic, items of moon i.e. mother, horses, etchave benefic results.

12. When mercury is in house no and arrives in varshphal in 4thhouse it will give disastrous results. If indulges in illicitrelations after the age of 34, he will destroy whole of his family.It is good for the native that he remains a servant and not an ordergive, decision maker or a master. He will be betrayed by hisjudgments; decisions and his actions destroy him. Forewarning foryears 11-23, 34, 38, 55, 71, 85, 97, 119.

13. Saturn is malefic or the native converts a benefic Saturninto malefic by his actions such as killing of snakes, fallingbuildings or drinking etc. the native attains pleasure from immoralactivities, has excellent knowledge about wining and dining (non-veg). loves nefarious reputation. His eyesight is in danger and ketualso doesn't give benefic results.

14. enemy planets venus, mercury, rahu or Saturn in house no.10if rahu is malefic - wealth is in danger. Items of moon give worseresults.if ketu is malefic - appears like an ordinary /below average incomeperson even if he might be a king. Might have to leave his house totake shelter in the woods to save him from calamity.

Kulbir Bains

Added by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji

Jupiter in 4th house : Benefic indications

[ a ] gets high education

[ b ] has the comfort of the house and vehicle

[ c ] owns cattle [ context villager ]

[ d ] gets a position of authority where he has to take decisions

[ e ] gets respect and recognition from the State.

[ f ] gets wealth from unexpected source

[ g ] fortunate for the parents.

If the above indications are there it means that the Jupiter is acting as a benefic

On the contrary

Jupiter 4th house : malefic indications

[ a ] spoils his chances himself [ apani naav khud dubaave ]

[ b ] weak eye sight

[ c ] lives like a faqeer [ beggar ] although rich.

[ d ] danger from the vehicles, or troubles from vehicles

[ e ] less comfort from family [ grahast sukh mein kami]

[ f ] flirt

[ g ] might have broken toys in the house.

[ h ] disease of the lungs

[ i ] unusually large stomach

if there are any of the above indications then it means that the jupiter has been turned into a malefic and upaya is needed.

Bhooshan Priya

sincerely,

S P Khurana

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear SP khurana ji> > > > Thanks for the efforts and time and incilnation of u for teaching and> giving us ideas abt Lal kitab .esp a book shrouded with lot of mystery .> > > > i hav one request to u - can u tell us ,what r the conditions which can> make a planet malefic or benefic for one purticular chart .Even i> request u to giv us tips on various aspects of lal kitab for novices> like us .Also i hope other memebrs wont hav any objuctions as we r here> for seeing truth and wisdom .> > > > pls take ur time but giv us exhustiv answers but only when u r free to> do it .> > > > thanking u in advance> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > , "khurana_satpal"> khurana_satpal@ wrote:> >> >> > Lal Kitab perspective> >> > Dear Bohra ji> >> >> >> > House # 11> >> >> >> > Ghar 11 mein grah jo aave, taseer shani vah hota hai> >> > Ghar 3 khali 11 sove , kismet shani par hoti hai> >> > Shani guru us teve mein jaise, kahin bhi uske baithe hon> >> > Phal vaise hi ghar 11 ke, us teve mein hote hon> >> >> >> > The planets placed in the 11th house will behave according> >> > to the nature of Saturn. If the 3rd house is unoccupied the> >> > planets placed in the 11th will be considered as dormant.> >> > If that is so, then the remedies will have to be done to> >> > awaken them.> >> >> >> > The effects of the planets of the 11th house will depend on> >> > how the Jupiter and the Saturn are placed in that horoscope.> >> > If there is either Venus or ketu in the 3rd, or if there is any> >> > friend of Jupiter in the 3rd then the planet/s placed in the> >> > 11th house will give good results.> >> >> >> > If there is Ketu in the 11th it will destroy the moon and> >> > vice versa. If there is Jupiter in the 11th then it will destroy> >> > rahu and vice versa.> >> >> >> > Faqeer ki jholi ki kismet ginte : The planets placed in the> >> > 11th are like the jholi of the faqeer. You never know what> >> > is in store for you in that jholi. There could be some thing> >> > benefic or even malefic for you in that faqeer ki jholi.> >> >> >> > Except for Saturn, rahu and Ketu all the planets placed in> >> > the 11th are be-aitbaar [ unreliable ].> >> >> >> > The planets placed in the 11th house will give their benefic> >> > results in the 11,23,36,48,57,72,84,94 years.> >> >> >> > The Lal Kitab then goes on to give detailed results of each> >> > planet in the 11th house.> >> >> >> > Just an example :> >> >> >> > Jupiter benefic : so long as the native stays with his family> >> > and so long as the father is alive, even a snake would bow> >> > down before him.> >> >> >> > Jupiter malefic : separate from the father either due to death> >> > or otherwise; of loose character; doing business of a malefic> >> > planet; or associated with a relative representing a malefic> >> > planet in the kundali, then he can not even stand before a> >> > mosquito, he will lead such a miserable life that he may> >> > even be deprived of a shroud.> >> >> >> > Sincerely,> >> >> >> > S P Khurana> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "msbohra62"> > msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > > Every astrological text book says 11th house is benefic(Labh),how> you> > > can describe it where :-> > > 1.11th house is 3rd from 9th house(bhagyesh,dharmesh,house of> father)> > > 2.11th house is 8th from 4th house(Shukh,Mother,Fame,land)> > > 3.11th house is 6th from 6th house,as per Bhawatm-Bhawam become> > > negative and represent for debt,enemy,ill-health.> > > 4.11th house is 7th from 5th house,Marka for> > > children,education,wisdom,Purva Janam Karma.> > >> > > What are the astrological reason to say 11th house is benefic house> > > and every planet become benefic in this house?I would like to know> by> > > all of you learned astrologer to describe it.> > > Thanks,> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> >>

October 19, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear SP khurana ji

Thanks ,it will take some time for me to read and understand all this .Pls keep posted what ever u feel best for us to know more abt Lal kitab .

thanks and regrds

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "khurana_satpal" <khurana_satpal wrote:>> > Lal Kitab Perspective> > Dear Sunil ji,> > As far as the Lal Kitab is concerned I am a beginner yet,> > therefore I can not have pretensions of being able to teach> > any one. But definitely as and when some topic comes up> > in the group I would love to share the Lal Kitab perspective.> > > > Now coming to your question as to when a planet acts> > benefic and when it acts as a malefic.> > > > Lal Kitab believes that all planets are capable of acting> > benefic and malefic. Therefore a Jupiter can be a malefic too> > while a Saturn or a Rahu can be a benefic. This will depend> > on two things. Firstly the placement in the horoscope> > which will take into account its relationships with other> > planets. And secondly our own â€˜acharanâ€™ our own actions> > so much so that we, through our own actions, can turn> > even a Jupiter into a malefic.> > > > Therefore first it is the placement of the planet which is> > studied to ascertain whether a planet is benefic or a malefic.> > Secondly it is through the indications or what the Lal Kitab> > calls nishaniyan the astrologer gets from the native while> > telling his woes.> > > > I am quoting from a series on Jupiter which was carried> > out in the group almost a year back> > by shri Kulbir Bains and Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji.> > > > Here is the Jupiter in the 4th house where it is considered> > as exalted and still can act malefic under certain circumstances.> > > Jupiter in the 4th house :> > > 1. Offers benefic results if house number2,5,9,11,12 do not have> mercury, venus, rahu or shani in paapi capacity.> > > > 2. Moon in 1st house and Saturn in 10th house = all types of> comfort of conveyance is bestowed.> > > > 3. When male planets are good i.e sun and mars ; the father of> the native is blessed with judicial or authoritative powers.> > > > 4. When moon is in house no. 2, Saturn and rahu's general> nature governs the overall malefic/benefic effects of the native's> destiny. If their nature is nek, the native will be blessed by> business and wealth of ancestors, enjoys good reputation in society> and also holds some important government post. But in such a> scenario the health of the native is not good and he has to> generally spend about one-fourth of his income on maintaining good> health. Royal disposition blessed with wealth, servants, royal> symbols, decorated continuously.> > > > 5. House no 10 empty, Jupiter in 4th is dormant, such a native> should never let anybody see his naked body to attain good effects> of Jupiter 4.> > > > 6. With the exception of moon in 2nd house, moon in each house> is best and native doesn't has to spend a large amount on his health.> > > > 7. When moon is qayam and the native maintains it so. If mother> is alive, the education is completed despite hurdles. But if the> mother leaves the native early, the education is completed from> start to finish without any difficulty.> > > > 8. When ketu is good in the horoscope, money spend on the> education of the native or spend by him on education of others> returns with interest. If maintains good character, blessed with a> long life.> > > > 9. Mercury benefic or sun in house 10, well qualified,> skilled, learned but condition of fortune is not there. Well> renowned in family and government.> > > > 10. Saturn in house no 2,9,10 good natured, famed, helpful and> charitable, royal residence and all sorts of comforts.> > > > 11. When rahu is benefic, items of moon i.e. mother, horses, etc> have benefic results.> > > > 12. When mercury is in house no and arrives in varshphal in 4th> house it will give disastrous results. If indulges in illicit> relations after the age of 34, he will destroy whole of his family.> It is good for the native that he remains a servant and not an order> give, decision maker or a master. He will be betrayed by his> judgments; decisions and his actions destroy him. Forewarning for> years 11-23, 34, 38, 55, 71, 85, 97, 119.> > > > 13. Saturn is malefic or the native converts a benefic Saturn> into malefic by his actions such as killing of snakes, falling> buildings or drinking etc. the native attains pleasure from immoral> activities, has excellent knowledge about wining and dining (non-> veg). loves nefarious reputation. His eyesight is in danger and ketu> also doesn't give benefic results.> > > > 14. enemy planets venus, mercury, rahu or Saturn in house no.10> if rahu is malefic - wealth is in danger. Items of moon give worse> results.> if ketu is malefic - appears like an ordinary /below average income> person even if he might be a king. Might have to leave his house to> take shelter in the woods to save him from calamity.> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > Added by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji> > > > Jupiter in 4th house : Benefic indications> > > > [ a ] gets high education> > [ b ] has the comfort of the house and vehicle> > [ c ] owns cattle [ context villager ]> > [ d ] gets a position of authority where he has to take decisions> > [ e ] gets respect and recognition from the State.> > [ f ] gets wealth from unexpected source> > [ g ] fortunate for the parents.> > > > If the above indications are there it means that the Jupiter is acting> as a benefic> > > > On the contrary> > > > Jupiter 4th house : malefic indications> > > > [ a ] spoils his chances himself [ apani naav khud dubaave ]> > [ b ] weak eye sight> > [ c ] lives like a faqeer [ beggar ] although rich.> > [ d ] danger from the vehicles, or troubles from vehicles> > [ e ] less comfort from family [ grahast sukh mein kami]> > [ f ] flirt> > [ g ] might have broken toys in the house.> > [ h ] disease of the lungs> > [ i ] unusually large stomach> > > > if there are any of the above indications then it means that the jupiter> has been turned into a malefic and upaya is needed.> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > sincerely,> > S P Khurana> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > dear SP khurana ji> >> >> >> > Thanks for the efforts and time and incilnation of u for teaching and> > giving us ideas abt Lal kitab .esp a book shrouded with lot of mystery> .> >> >> >> > i hav one request to u - can u tell us ,what r the conditions which> can> > make a planet malefic or benefic for one purticular chart .Even i> > request u to giv us tips on various aspects of lal kitab for novices> > like us .Also i hope other memebrs wont hav any objuctions as we r> here> > for seeing truth and wisdom .> >> >> >> > pls take ur time but giv us exhustiv answers but only when u r free to> > do it .> >> >> >> > thanking u in advance> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> > , "khurana_satpal"> > khurana_satpal@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Lal Kitab perspective> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji> > >> > >> > >> > > House # 11> > >> > >> > >> > > Ghar 11 mein grah jo aave, taseer shani vah hota hai> > >> > > Ghar 3 khali 11 sove , kismet shani par hoti hai> > >> > > Shani guru us teve mein jaise, kahin bhi uske baithe hon> > >> > > Phal vaise hi ghar 11 ke, us teve mein hote hon> > >> > >> > >> > > The planets placed in the 11th house will behave according> > >> > > to the nature of Saturn. If the 3rd house is unoccupied the> > >> > > planets placed in the 11th will be considered as dormant.> > >> > > If that is so, then the remedies will have to be done to> > >> > > awaken them.> > >> > >> > >> > > The effects of the planets of the 11th house will depend on> > >> > > how the Jupiter and the Saturn are placed in that horoscope.> > >> > > If there is either Venus or ketu in the 3rd, or if there is any> > >> > > friend of Jupiter in the 3rd then the planet/s placed in the> > >> > > 11th house will give good results.> > >> > >> > >> > > If there is Ketu in the 11th it will destroy the moon and> > >> > > vice versa. If there is Jupiter in the 11th then it will destroy> > >> > > rahu and vice versa.> > >> > >> > >> > > Faqeer ki jholi ki kismet ginte : The planets placed in the> > >> > > 11th are like the jholi of the faqeer. You never know what> > >> > > is in store for you in that jholi. There could be some thing> > >> > > benefic or even malefic for you in that faqeer ki jholi.> > >> > >> > >> > > Except for Saturn, rahu and Ketu all the planets placed in> > >> > > the 11th are be-aitbaar [ unreliable ].> > >> > >> > >> > > The planets placed in the 11th house will give their benefic> > >> > > results in the 11,23,36,48,57,72,84,94 years.> > >> > >> > >> > > The Lal Kitab then goes on to give detailed results of each> > >> > > planet in the 11th house.> > >> > >> > >> > > Just an example :> > >> > >> > >> > > Jupiter benefic : so long as the native stays with his family> > >> > > and so long as the father is alive, even a snake would bow> > >> > > down before him.> > >> > >> > >> > > Jupiter malefic : separate from the father either due to death> > >> > > or otherwise; of loose character; doing business of a malefic> > >> > > planet; or associated with a relative representing a malefic> > >> > > planet in the kundali, then he can not even stand before a> > >> > > mosquito, he will lead such a miserable life that he may> > >> > > even be deprived of a shroud.> > >> > >> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > >> > >> > > S P Khurana> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "msbohra62"> > > msbohra62@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Every astrological text book says 11th house is benefic(Labh),how> > you> > > > can describe it where :-> > > > 1.11th house is 3rd from 9th house(bhagyesh,dharmesh,house of> > father)> > > > 2.11th house is 8th from 4th house(Shukh,Mother,Fame,land)> > > > 3.11th house is 6th from 6th house,as per Bhawatm-Bhawam become> > > > negative and represent for debt,enemy,ill-health.> > > > 4.11th house is 7th from 5th house,Marka for> > > > children,education,wisdom,Purva Janam Karma.> > > >> > > > What are the astrological reason to say 11th house is benefic> house> > > > and every planet become benefic in this house?I would like to know> > by> > > > all of you learned astrologer to describe it.> > > > Thanks,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > >> >>

October 20, 2008

Dear Khuranaji,

It is really very difficult to understand the right messages of

Lalkitab.Description of original Lalkitab are vary to each

describers.As I understand Lalkitab says to every one to follow some

ethics and respect with all members of society,than you will get good

results in your life.

But as my question is remain unsolved,Why every classical or Text book

says 11th house is benefic.It is really contradict some references and

rules of Indian astrology .So i have put this to the forum,where so

many learned astrologer are active.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

October 20, 2008

Dear Bohra ji and Group,We hold many misconceptions about the 11H. Let me give you some clues to help you

understand this house properly.

11H has many different connotations

attached to it, as with all other houses. The significations of 11H stem from its

basic position in the zodiac seen from various perspectives.

It is 11H from lagna therefore, as per

classics it is the house of laabh, vriddhi, gains etc. But we must also

understand that it is not only dhan labh as is made out to be. It is sum total

of our experiences in this world and this is what we gain ultimately. This is

how it gets linked with the desires and 11H is also the last leg of kaam

tripod, it is the ultimate fulfilment of desires and all planets placed in 11H

are meant to help in that. That is why it has friends, social circle, groups,

associations which are our gains in life.

To say that 11H is benefic may be right in esoteric

sense as whatever a soul passes through is a result of past karma and there is

nothing benefic or malefic in it. As you sow, so shall you reap… is what we

suffer or enjoy. It may be as archaic as that or as technically sound.

It may not be right in materialistic sense.

It is a two sided coin and results depend on the placement of planets. It is

the prime Upchay and gives highest rewards provided one uses another upchay in

10H, but at the same time it the most pwerful trishadaya house also and its

lord is not considered benefic by Parashara. It is also 6th from 6th

and carries the sookshm significations of 6H regarding diseases, debts, and all

ripus.

All planets are said to give good results

in the 11H because, being a trishadaya it likes malefics and debilitated

planets also and benefics are of course good for any house. But again these

results have to be ascertained based on all other positions of the chart. I

have seen many cases where people have suffered miserably in the period of 11H.

11H can be also be understood by taking

Kumbh as its representative. This is when you reach a stage in life where you

can start giving… and overflowing, then the 11H is benefic. This is the reason,

Jup is the karak for 11H. And 11H is always challenged by the 5H of poorv

punya. Not all desires get fulfilled because there is a marak in 5H.

One has to assess all these qualifications

of 11H before deciding on what it holds for us in reality. It will give you back exactly what you've brought with you. RegardsNeelam

October 20, 2008

Dear All,In continuation with my earlier post, I'll explain the trishadaya role of 11H a

little more.

As I said, the 11th house is one of the prime

trishadaya house of 3, 6, 11. This trishadaya is visible and understandable when Krishna says in the Bhagavad

Gita:

" Tri-vidham narakasyedam dvaram nasanam atmanah

kamah, krodhas tatha lobhas tasmad etat trayam tyajet. "

i.e.,

" Desire, anger and greed - the triple gate of hell bring about the

ruination of the soul. Therefore one should avoid all these three. " Ch 16

verse 21

Here desire, anger and greed are

represented by the trishadaya houses 3, 6, and 11 respectively, and the beauty

of the scheme is that they are opposite the most important houses for spiritual

advancement, 9, 12 and 5.

The trishadaya results in a vicious cycle

of desire-effort-greed-gain. Every gain paves way for another desire, another

effort. And more one gains, greedier one tends to be. To control greed we need

contentment, which is rooted in vivek or discrimination in 5th house.

The important point or lesson to be learnt is that, the trishadaya trio (3,6,11) becomes upchay (3,6,10,11) when 10H is

added to it. The key to success and hence 11H lies with the 10H. Now coming to predictive part, otherwise some learned members will dispel my post as a useless sermon... if you find a 10H weak or malefic, the best of 11H will never become upchay. It will remain a trishadaya and the te native will not be able to reap the harvest of his karma.

RegardsNeelam

October 20, 2008

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji and Group,

>

> We hold many misconceptions about the 11H. Let me give you some clues to

> help you understand this house properly.

>

> 11H has many different connotations attached to it, as with all other

> houses. The significations of 11H stem from its basic position in

the zodiac

> seen from various perspectives.

>

> It is 11H from lagna therefore, as per classics it is the house of

laabh,

> vriddhi, gains etc. But we must also understand that it is not only dhan

> labh as is made out to be. It is sum total of our experiences in

this world

> and this is what we gain ultimately. This is how it gets linked with the

> desires and 11H is also the last leg of kaam tripod, it is the ultimate

> fulfilment of desires and all planets placed in 11H are meant to help in

> that. That is why it has friends, social circle, groups,

associations which

> are our gains in life.

>

> To say that 11H is benefic may be right in esoteric sense as

whatever a soul

> passes through is a result of past karma and there is nothing benefic or

> malefic in it. As you sow, so shall you reap… is what we suffer or

enjoy. It

> may be as archaic as that or as technically sound.

>

> It may not be right in materialistic sense. It is a two sided coin and

> results depend on the placement of planets. It is the prime Upchay

and gives

> highest rewards provided one uses another upchay in 10H, but at the same

> time it the most pwerful trishadaya house also and its lord is not

> considered benefic by Parashara. It is also 6th from 6th and carries the

> sookshm significations of 6H regarding diseases, debts, and all ripus.

>

> All planets are said to give good results in the 11H because, being a

> trishadaya it likes malefics and debilitated planets also and

benefics are

> of course good for any house. But again these results have to be

ascertained

> based on all other positions of the chart. I have seen many cases where

> people have suffered miserably in the period of 11H.

>

> 11H can be also be understood by taking Kumbh as its representative.

This is

> when you reach a stage in life where you can start giving… and

overflowing,

> then the 11H is benefic. This is the reason, Jup is the karak for

11H. And

> 11H is always challenged by the 5H of poorv punya. Not all desires get

> fulfilled because there is a marak in 5H.

>

> One has to assess all these qualifications of 11H before deciding on

what it

> holds for us in reality. It will give you back exactly what you've

brought

> with you.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

Dear Neelamji,

Thanks,I expect your comments on this thread.

It is said by our forefathers astrologer that " Labhe Sarve Prshst: " .

As you have written :-

All planets are said to give good results in the 11H because, being a

trishadaya it likes malefic and debilitated planets also and benefics

are of course good for any house. But again these results have to be

ascertained based on all other positions of the chart. I have seen

many cases where people have suffered miserably in the period of 11H.

Now I will request you to analyse this chart,which have seven planets

in 11th house in Pisces(Meena)Ascendant.Rahu in 5th house,Moon in 12th

house remain in 11th house.All most all Yogas except with 5th lord are

there.Every house having relation with each other except 5th

house,with Lagna lord.

How you will interpret this chart,details are as below :-

DOB : 7.2.1962

TOB : 10:15 am

POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan)

As ,I have observe the classic or text references are just common

rules which can't be applicable as it is.We have to create new

references with our experiences.

Your comments are most welcome by me.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

October 20, 2008

Dear Bohraji,

11th is benefic certainly for this world -

It negates the propensities of the 12th house , which most of us do not

wish to be associated with.

But as you said, when the 11th gets activated in a natives chart , if

Mother also has some bad dasha runing in her chart, then it will give

disastrous results for mothers health.

Apart from what you mentioned, the 11thalso shows the business dealing

of children ( 7th from 5th ), it shows higher education of our younger

co-born ( 9th from 3rd), it shows freedom from imprisonment -

isolations- bed rest- bad health, it shows a lost family member coming

back o the family. It denotes good health to husband/wife.

Thus from the worldly point, the 11th activated, seems to be a better

option. For those who wish to become sanyasis, or mendicants, or open

charitable institutions, for them the 12th actiavted seems to be a

better option. For Brahamacharins who wish to leave their house and

families the 11th will be malefic.

Every house in the horoscope will have both good and bad effects to

shower on a native. And the same house may act benefic for the native at

a certain age of his Life, and the same house will act malefic.

So actully benefic or malefic planets or houses, is just meant to be

talked in general. It differs from place to place, person to person ,

and age to age.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Every astrological text book says 11th house is benefic(Labh),how you

> can describe it where :-

> 1.11th house is 3rd from 9th house(bhagyesh,dharmesh,house of father)

> 2.11th house is 8th from 4th house(Shukh,Mother,Fame,land)

> 3.11th house is 6th from 6th house,as per Bhawatm-Bhawam become

> negative and represent for debt,enemy,ill-health.

> 4.11th house is 7th from 5th house,Marka for

> children,education,wisdom,Purva Janam Karma.

>

> What are the astrological reason to say 11th house is benefic house

> and every planet become benefic in this house?I would like to know by

> all of you learned astrologer to describe it.

> Thanks,

> M.S.Bohra

>

October 20, 2008

Dear Bohraji,

I am sorry, though the mail is not addressed to me,

but I would like to comment on this chart in short, out of

curiosity, since i find you knowledgable in astrology and believe

that you have put a genuine chart here. I am doing this

at the cost of being found incorrect, but all this does not matter

to me. I woud still like to attempt.

The Guru Mahadasha has been good for the native, though

it is debilitated.

The Shani mahadasha has not given good results though

Shani is placed in own house.

The Budh Mahadasha has again not been comfortable to

the native.

The Ketu mahadasha and the shukra mahadasha both will

be very good for the native.

The native is staying away from his children, most of the time.

Did he ever be a teacher or lecturer to chidlren or any work in

this capacity ?

Was he into investment Line ever as a advisor ?

he can be a great exponent of religion if he wishes to be.

He has undergone lot of journeys in his Life.

Did he ever get hurt in his legs due to a moving vehicle ?

Or in his shoulders ?

he has got many professional breakthroughs in his Life and

frequent changes .

Please let me know what is true in the above.

regards,

Bhaskar.

> >> Dear Neelamji,> Thanks,I expect your comments on this thread.> It is said by our forefathers astrologer that "Labhe Sarve Prshst:".> > As you have written :-> All planets are said to give good results in the 11H because, being a> trishadaya it likes malefic and debilitated planets also and benefics> are of course good for any house. But again these results have to be> ascertained based on all other positions of the chart. I have seen> many cases where people have suffered miserably in the period of 11H. > > Now I will request you to analyse this chart,which have seven planets> in 11th house in Pisces(Meena)Ascendant.Rahu in 5th house,Moon in 12th> house remain in 11th house.All most all Yogas except with 5th lord are> there.Every house having relation with each other except 5th> house,with Lagna lord.> How you will interpret this chart,details are as below :-> > DOB : 7.2.1962> TOB : 10:15 am> POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan)> As ,I have observe the classic or text references are just common> rules which can't be applicable as it is.We have to create new> references with our experiences.> > Your comments are most welcome by me.> Thanks,> M.S.Bohra>

October 20, 2008

Dear Bhaskarji,

You are and all members are most welcome to share his valuable

knowledge,I like your initiative.

Native have good childhood in the period of Jupiter.

Saturn period not bad all education have don and a House have build on

his name.

Mercury period given promotion in service and he earn good except last

phase of one year.He got married and children in this period

He lost his father and elder sister in Venus Antar-Dasa.In last phase

he lost his mother also.

He is Regional Manager in Pharma Company.

He is with his children,Yes doing Tour for Company's work.

I don't know if he have hurt in his leg but having little hearing

problems.

I hope this feedback will help all of you for more analysis.

Now he is in Ketu period,I have predicted him that he will get lot of

money in this period.Because Ketu in 11th house and in the Dhanistha

Nakshatra of Mars,which is exalted in 11th house and lord of 2nd and

9th house.

What are,all of you say?

Thanks again,

M.S.Bohra

October 20, 2008

Dear Bohraji,

I made a mistake in replying you first. Because once i reply, then

others are not interested, which is my experience.

Now why Ketu MD is going to be good for him in majority ???

because as you mentioned , Ketu is in Nakshatra of Mars , Yes perfectly

right, except for the part of the 11th house, which as per my studies is

the 10th house.

But the 2nd house matches for both of us, which is the house known for

self created wealth.

So this MD will be very good for the native.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

> You are and all members are most welcome to share his valuable

> knowledge,I like your initiative.

>

> Native have good childhood in the period of Jupiter.

> Saturn period not bad all education have don and a House have build on

> his name.

> Mercury period given promotion in service and he earn good except last

> phase of one year.He got married and children in this period

> He lost his father and elder sister in Venus Antar-Dasa.In last phase

> he lost his mother also.

> He is Regional Manager in Pharma Company.

> He is with his children,Yes doing Tour for Company's work.

> I don't know if he have hurt in his leg but having little hearing

> problems.

> I hope this feedback will help all of you for more analysis.

>

> Now he is in Ketu period,I have predicted him that he will get lot of

> money in this period.Because Ketu in 11th house and in the Dhanistha

> Nakshatra of Mars,which is exalted in 11th house and lord of 2nd and

> 9th house.

>

> What are,all of you say?

> Thanks again,

> M.S.Bohra

>

October 20, 2008

Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji,I feel that the best part of this chart is degree conjunction between saturn and mars, mars exalted in 11H and saturn in own house, with the other 4 planets in dhanishtha... it is a mars driven chart and mars being the lord of luck and wealth, has given his due.

//I made a mistake in replying you first. Because once i reply, then others are not interested, which is my experience.//In any case there are not many active members who take up such analysis. When a chart has merited your attention and you have given your comments on it, then learners would like to become observers I guess.

RegardsNeelam

October 20, 2008

Hi, First of all, 3,6,11h are the Trika houses in any chart. 3rd house in house of initiatives and 6h is the house of obstacles for any body to overcome, diseases. 11H is the house of profits as known by everyone. And this houses definition is from every other house you take as the starting point.

Now coming to the chart.Here is Venus who is the AtmaKaraka who is the Lord of 3H and 8H in 11H. So 8H Lord is also a very bad combination will really destroy that house it resides.

Bhadhakesh Mer 7H Lord in 11 house, Ju As Lor and 10L debilitated in 11H. So many other planets being there has really cursed this person to an extent, where I am doubtful that he ever had any good reliable friends, and even if they had they would have betrayed a lot.

Since Ve being Atma Karaka has too much passion. If he were married then his spouse would have left him. Many BAV of the planet from Rasi to Nav has reduced number which will put those planets also in less strength.

Looks bad in every way.Remedies have to be done many. This is my analysis.Respectfully.Anand Srivatsa

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:01 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: