friendly charts

[Guest guest]

Namaste Madam ji,

I have just casted the charts, just on the face of the birth data, the friendship is possilbe

1) - 22.11.1962/21.00/Delhi2) - 28.11.1962/1.45/Delhi

- Whether friendship is possible or not = Possible - Like/dislike for each other = 28 likes 22, more than 22 liking 28, yet there is good karmic link between them - Common interests - Yes do have - Qualities that might've encouraged or discouraged friendship - Quality of friendship - Good to Very Good- Any other relevant feature

Will go into astro_details later.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste Neelam ji,

 

Male-A, 28-Nov-1962, 21:00 hrs, New Delhi

 

Male-B, 22-Nov-1962, 1:45 hrs, New Delhi

 

1) Both have Mercury sign as its Lagna. Male-A has Gemini-Movable,

Male -B has Virgo-Dual.

 

2) Both have debilitated Mars, the planet of partnership

 

3) Male-A has Rahu & Mars in 2H, While Male-B has Venus. A very

contrast 2H & talking qualities

 

4) Male-B liking Male -B is a strong possibility

 

5) Male -B has NO planets in the kendras

 

6) Male -A is running dasha of 7HL & 10HL Jupiter, While Male-B is

running dasha of 12HL Sun.

 

There are many other things like dasha, navamsa, sign & House Lord

placements, which I have NOT gone into, for reasons of time.

 

Conclusion: Based on the limited factors application - Male-B liking

Male -B is a strong possibility. The Venus period of Male-B, was

the best period for relation between them.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeram ji,Thank you. That was a good start for the discussion. Let us see if other members take interest in the topic. RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Namaste Neelam ji,

 

It is very often that we limit ourselves, to hororscope matching in

events like marriage. In our daily life, we meet many people, some we

intensely like or dislike, reasons for the same are unknown on the astro

front. There have been few cases in where the person(s), approached

me to start business in partnership with others. So knowing the

astro_techniques for doing that sort of analysis is often tricky and

there are no clear guidelines in the classics.

 

In Military/Air Force / Navy, the people are trained how to identify the

friend/enemy during their respective operations..... One mistake, they

are doomed....

 

Hence, these techniques are derived from sound astro_logics, let us

see how other members innovate on this " friend's / enemy's

compatibility " .

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeram ji,

 

//...these techniques are derived from sound astro_logics, let us see how

other members innovate on this " friend's / enemy's compatibility//

 

Rightly said. But I guess our learned members do not want to get into

friends-enemy debate. While this forms the basis of astro-understanding of

human interpersonal relationships, they seem to be above such petty matters,

being the realised souls and having understood 'aham brahmasami'.

 

Not many people in the group are interested in learning the subject as such,

every one wants to have fast food with a quick recipe to apply on own

charts.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear SS ji & Nellamji,

 

The points laid out by Nellamji document lot of aspects in horoscope which need

to be looked into while looking out for friendship. But foremost is Guru in

amicable,same or 9/5 etc placement/ signs. Also the moon ( mann ) and Sun ( atma

) are also important to be compatible followed by Budh.

 

 

Perhaps that is why mostly, people of the same age group are usually friends in

the initial years.

 

 

Thanks  & Regards

 

Chiranjiv Mehta

 

--- On Mon, 25/8/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

 

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

Re: friendly charts

 

Monday, 25 August, 2008, 10:18 AM

 

 

 

Namaste Neelam ji,

 

It is very often that we limit ourselves, to hororscope matching in

events like marriage. In our daily life, we meet many people, some we

intensely like or dislike, reasons for the same are unknown on the astro

front. There have been few cases in where the person(s), approached

me to start business in partnership with others. So knowing the

astro_techniques for doing that sort of analysis is often tricky and

there are no clear guidelines in the classics.

 

In Military/Air Force / Navy, the people are trained how to identify the

friend/enemy during their respective operations.. ... One mistake, they

are doomed....

 

Hence, these techniques are derived from sound astro_logics, let us

see how other members innovate on this " friend's / enemy's

compatibility " .

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

'Not many people in the group are interested in learning the subject as such,every one wants to have fast food with a quick recipe to apply on owncharts."

Occassionally one may go for fast food or a quick recepe...due to gas cylinder being empty, power failure or lack of time. But that doesn't mean they do not enjoy a traditionally well prepared meal...at least I would love to taste a scrumptious meal prepared by an Indian housewife : )

Let me give a try...

 

22.11.1962/21.00/Delhi - Chart A

28.11.1962/1.45/Delhi -Chart B

Chart A:

Lagna is Gemini and LL Mercury is placed in 6H, the lord of which is Mars, an unfriendly planet of LL. Mercury is also combust. Hence Lagna/LL relationship is not quite happy.

11HL is Mars, debilitated and afflicted by Saturn, Rahu & Ketu. 11HL Mars and LL Mercury are not friendly planets. Hence the friendly disposition is again week of this person.

11H has 31 AV bindus and is aspected by 5HL, Venus from 5th house. The native may get the return for what he gives to others, in the sense his friendship may be steady, if he makes friends with anyone.

Moon is placed in 4H, in its own nakshastra, a good person but selective in friends, I think.

Karaka for 11H, Jupiter is retrograde and aspected by debilitated Mars. Jupiter is debilitated in navamsa. Hence Jupiter does not support much this native to be an outgoing person.

Sun representing ego is in 6H in 8HL's nakshastra, but in a friendly sign.

Rahu and Mars in 2H, his speech may be like daggers at times, a negative point to make friends.

Chart B:

Lagna Virgo and LL Mercury is placed in 3H of communication. Mercury is combust. The relationship between LL and lagna are ok as far as the outgoing nature of the person is concerned.

11HL Moon, though debilitated, is also in house of communication, conjunct with LL Mercury, and also in Mercury's nakshastra. This too indicates that the native has a friendly disposition.

Mars and Rahu are placed in 11H. Mars is debilitated and 11H is aspected by Saturn and Ketu. He doesn't get much happiness from his friends.

Moon is debilitated, and no cancellation of the debilitation is present, this person need not form long lasting true friendships, though outwardly he looks friendly.

Karaka for 11H: the same as above applies as it is the Mon.

Sun in 3H of communication...tendency to be outgoing.

Between them:

 

Whether friendship is possible or not

Possible. Same LL placed in same sign. Sun signs are same. Except Moon all the other planet signs are same.

 

Like/dislike for each other

they like each other.

 

Common interests

Interests may differ.

 

Qualities that might've encouraged or discouraged friendship

Chart 2 natives outgoing nature, sweet words and friednly disposition would have attracted the Chart B native to form a friednship between them.

 

Quality of friendship

Quite a stable friendship.

I took such a long time to analyze this, that my only alternative is some snack for lunch

blessings

Renu

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreeram ji,> > //...these techniques are derived from sound astro_logics, let us see how> other members innovate on this "friend's / enemy's compatibility//> > Rightly said. But I guess our learned members do not want to get into> friends-enemy debate. While this forms the basis of astro-understanding of> human interpersonal relationships, they seem to be above such petty matters,> being the realised souls and having understood 'aham brahmasami'.> > Not many people in the group are interested in learning the subject as such,> every one wants to have fast food with a quick recipe to apply on own> charts.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

My analysis:

 

Native 1- Nov22, 1962, 9.00pm, delhi- has mithuna lagna, LL in 6th.

 

Mercury, karaka for friends is also the LL and the lord of the moon

is in 6th. I also see the fifth and seventh house for friendhsip.

Here fifth lord is own, moon is in a friendly sign, 7L is in 9th.

Malefic influences on these houses are negligible. The native will

have very few good friends, he would be like a dog in friendship-

wafadaar.He could have experienced cheating in friendship. At some

point, he himself would prefer seclusion.

 

 

Native 2- Nov28, 1962, 1.45 am, delhi- has virgo lagna, LL in 3rd,

Mercury, karaka for friends is also the LL and the lord of the moon,

is in 3rd. He has malefics in 5th and 7L in 6th. His moon is in

debilitation. This native would be adamant and egoistic, would have

friendship for a selfish purpose, he cannot be true in friendship.

He would be a hypocrite type of a personality. He would " appear more

friendly " with all than native 1.

 

Now coming to the compatibility of friendship between the two, native

2 will benefit a lot from native 1. Native 1 has to be careful about

native 2 as he will not be a good friend. Native 1 might be in a

position that he would not even have realized the true qualities of

native 2. A friendship between the two might have existed but it is

not advised.

 

In checking friendship between two people only, I do not find 11L to

be very significant.

 

 

I have analyzed this based on my experience with different kinds of

people, with whom I have interacted at some point in my life. It is a

difficult question indeed to assess who will be your good friend. I

remember the thread on " Chanakya quotes " in this group-

 

" There is some self-interest behind every friendship.

There is no Friendship without self-interests.

This is a bitter truth. "

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavati ji,Thank you for your analysis of the two charts. I hope learned members will forward their comments on this.I would like to share my views on some of your statements.//In checking friendship between two people only, I do not find 11L to be very significant.//

Astrologically friends are identified from the 11th house of an individual's natal chart. If the 11th lord or the 11th house of a person is strong, the person will be socially popular, well known, and will have influential and powerful friends. If this lord or house is weak, it can be said that the person will have problems and misunderstanding with friendships leading to pain, losses, and misgivings!

Essentially it is believed that the 11th house is how we relate to larger groups and the community in which we live. It describes the manner in which we participate in community activities, and how important the larger community, national, and global issues are to us. 11H also shows detached or impersonal relationships. Humanitarian and philanthropic enterprises. Clubs, groups, organizations and associations. Business connections and spheres of influence. The people who share your ideals. Altruism. The rewards derived from the ambition of the tenth house.

The 11th lord and house also signifies income. It can be interpreted that a person who has many friends makes more money using his contacts, and can get his important work done very easily, right from getting to know about a job vacancy or investing in the right place based on friends' advice.

The natural sign of the Eleventh House is Aquarius -- the eleventh sign of the Zodiac and the most sociable and socially conscious of the signs. The sociability and outward-direction means that, while friends can be one-on-one confidantes, the thrust and purpose of this house is change and progression on larger terms. It is through brotherhood, fellowship and stewardship of larger causes -- be they global or local -- that this house asserts its strongest influence. Jupiter is the karaka for this house.

The results of planetray influences in 11H by lordships/placements are said to be:Sun: then the person will be connected with politicians and powerful people in corporate sectors like General Managers, Chief Executive Officers, etc. If the Sun is averagely placed, then the person will be friendly with people who are in the lower cadre of hierarchy.

Moon: the person will have friends who are mostly travelers, pilots, sailors, cooks and artists.Mars: the person will have friends who are sportspersons, martial artists, rowdies and also lower class people.

Mercury: the person will be friendly with traders and businessmen.Jupiter: the person will be friendly with lawyers, bankers, philosophers, teachers and preachers.Venus: the person will be friendly with women, cinema and media people. They will have classy and showy people as friends.

Saturn: the person will be friendly with older people, and people from lower status. For them the friends will be helpful in tough and difficult situations.Rahu: the person will have foreigners and people of other religion/community as friends.

Ketu: the person will get along well with wrong type of people. They will also get along with people who have occult powers.If the 11th lord is in the trinal house, the person will have very powerful friends, and if it goes into 3,6,8,12 houses, the person has to suffice with ordinary people as friends.

If the 11th house has many planets, friends represented by each planet will influence the person in the respective dasha and bhukti. If the 11th lord is afflicted it is always better to avoid dealing with friends on a large scale.

//Mercury, karaka for friends…//Jupiter and mercury both are the karkas for 11H. So depending upon the influences and dashas and the strength of Jupiter and mercury, the type of friends could be decided by the native. E.g in a chart where mercury is not connected with 11H and Jupiter's influence on 11H appears strongly, the person will have friends which have more of Jupiter's traits. Lordship of 11H is also important.

//I also see the fifth and seventh house for friendship.//5H being 7th from 11H, denotes the challenges faced for 11H. The romantic liaisons come under 5H. You see some friendships facing challenges when they turn into romantic affairs.

7H is for partnerships and generally involve some kind of agreement, treaty etc. When 11H-5H-7H form a union in the chart, the friendship evolves into an affair which ends up in marriage. 7H is 9th from 11H. The friendship which forms a bonding in 11H, gets a religious sanction, or judicial agreement in 7H and the friends get married.

For any normal friendship, 11H thus assumes greater significance than any other house. Of course the other house connections will define the result in further details. //There is some self-interest behind every friendship. There is no Friendship without self-interests. This is a bitter truth.//

I don't think that is the truth. What you're talking about is not friendship in the real sense of the word. A unique blend of affection, loyalty, love, respect, trust and loads of fun is perhaps what describes the true meaning of friendship between two individuals. Similar interests, mutual respect and strong attachment with each other are what friends share between each other. These are just the general traits of a friendship. To experience what is friendship, one must have true friends, who are indeed rare treasure.

Friends come into our life as strangers and stay permanently in our life as angels, always being with us in both good and bad times.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

Thank you for your detailed mail. I posted my side of views. I agree

with what you have written, it makes great theory. But all that is

theory does not hold true in practical life. I need to spend some

time reading this long mail as I am running errands today. However, a

quick look at your mail,

 

I have charts with these planets, strongly placed

 

// Mars: the person will have friends who are sportspersons, martial

artists, rowdies and also lower class people.//

 

the native is makara lagna with mars in scorpio, has few friends are

all rich, none from the above-metioned group, they are all well

qualified and in good position

 

// Venus: the person will be friendly with women, cinema and media

people. They will have classy and showy people as friends.//

 

the native of this chart is a cancer lagna with venus in taurus. I

know him for many years, since my childhood, he does not have a

single friend in life. He loves seclusion. He can identify a person

by his very look, he hates showy or classy people, neither he fancies

women

 

// Saturn: the person will be friendly with older people, and people

from lower status. For them the friends will be helpful in tough and

difficult situations//

 

the native is a mithuna lagna, with sat vakri and debilitated,

neechabhanga. She passed through real tough times in life, all so

called friends showed her back.

 

//Rahu: the person will have foreigners and people of other

religion/community as friends//

 

The native is a meena lagna with rahu in capricorn, he lives abroad,

still his friends are all indians, and that too from his own

community, he is a brahmin, has brahmin friends only, and he is a

religious type person and so are his friends

 

 

// Ketu: the person will get along well with wrong type of people.

They will also get along with people who have occult powers.//

 

The native has few friends but they are very true, they would do

anything for friendship.

 

My understanding is from observations of many charts, 11H would

indicate masses, how you are with the world, between two people it

does not help much, 5H is not only romance but tells more than that,

it is the house of the " green eyed monster " - jealousy.

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavathi ji,What you've observed, and how you've come to your conclusions, I cannot comment on that. You may be right or wrong or in between. Only of it were so simple!

What I said was based on the normally believed and observed principles. I have found them working in most of the cases, specially when seen in relation to dashas/antars. 11H is also the result of karma, hence this is one of the places which always remains as an active centre for dashas and transits to work on.

We can come up with examples both for and against any dictum, as astrology is very deep and many factors become responsible for one result. One needs to study a sufficiently large sample size with controls in place to negate/disprove any previously accepted principle.

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Respected Bhagaqvathi,

I fully agree with you. Every planet shows friends according to his karakatva. But again we forget that 11th house is 11th from the lagna only. 11th house is 2nd, Maraka, for 10th, 7th maraka for 5th, 6th from 6th, enemy, disease or healing etc. So according to me astrology is a relative science. One should not read the bhava in isolation. It is a store house. It is the planet, nakshtra and navamsha who decide to take some thing out of the store house. Only to see gain, or friendship or helper or elder brother from the 11th is short sightedness.

These are my personal view, readers are free to differ.--- On Tue, 8/26/08, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Re: friendly charts Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:39 PM

 

 

Dear Neelamji,Thank you for your detailed mail. I posted my side of views. I agree with what you have written, it makes great theory. But all that is theory does not hold true in practical life. I need to spend some time reading this long mail as I am running errands today. However, a quick look at your mail, I have charts with these planets, strongly placed // Mars: the person will have friends who are sportspersons, martialartists, rowdies and also lower class people.//the native is makara lagna with mars in scorpio, has few friends are all rich, none from the above-metioned group, they are all well qualified and in good position // Venus: the person will be friendly with women, cinema and mediapeople. They will have classy and showy people as friends.//the native of this chart is a cancer lagna with venus in taurus. I know him for many years, since my childhood,

he does not have a single friend in life. He loves seclusion. He can identify a person by his very look, he hates showy or classy people, neither he fancies women // Saturn: the person will be friendly with older people, and people from lower status. For them the friends will be helpful in tough and difficult situations//the native is a mithuna lagna, with sat vakri and debilitated, neechabhanga. She passed through real tough times in life, all so called friends showed her back. //Rahu: the person will have foreigners and people of otherreligion/community as friends//The native is a meena lagna with rahu in capricorn, he lives abroad, still his friends are all indians, and that too from his own community, he is a brahmin, has brahmin friends only, and he is a religious type person and so are his friends // Ketu: the person will get along well with wrong type of people.

They will also get along with people who have occult powers.//The native has few friends but they are very true, they would do anything for friendship. My understanding is from observations of many charts, 11H would indicate masses, how you are with the world, between two people it does not help much, 5H is not only romance but tells more than that, it is the house of the "green eyed monster" - jealousy.Regards,bhagavathi