Aspects as in Lalkitab

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Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

 

Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,

 

I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you have done so much of work.

 

Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes one and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

 

I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

 

Firstly it is "Rasi Drishti" or to put it correctly "House Dristi (the aspect of Houses)" and not "Graha Dtishi". Lal Kitab at no stage talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

 

Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

 

"Visible Half" and "Invisible Half"

 

First principle adopted is that of "Visible Half" and "Invisible Half". In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not undergo "Chakrapath Haran" while calculating longevity.

Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have aspects, no other.

 

Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

 

Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The nautur of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or menifestations of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as "Dwisvabahva" having all dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, self and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is function of quardrants.

 

Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid down for houses, 1, 4, 7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect over all others as understood by "Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men"

 

This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the chart then will be considered as Blind. In Jaimini also, if one has Dual Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh and the tenth.

 

Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

 

For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of aspects:

 

1. Seventh aspect (100 percent):

-From 3 to 9.

- From 6 to 12.

- From 8 to 2.

2. 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life aspect

-From 3 to 11

-From 5 to 9

3. 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.

 

Then there are special condition aspects.

 

However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house. Another example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. Unless there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not awake. If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as Taurus then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

 

The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

 

For Example, there are:

 

Takrao Ki Dristi

Dhoke ki Dristi

Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

Chhupi Dushmani

 

What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is perfectly fine .

 

I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might be wrong

Thanks and Regards.

Om Namo Narayana.

, "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Dear Friends,> I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc)containing the aspect > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the aspects > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of astrology. I > hope this document may be useful for all.> Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at> http://www.scribd.com/doc/6179640/GrahDrishti-in-Lalkitab-in-Hindi> Regards> Nirmal>

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Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,         I really appreciate your understanding of Lal

Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so many books on Lal Kitab have not

explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant practise only on Lal kitab and is my

neighbourer and I have good relation with him. I have invited him to speak on

Lal Kitab in my classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you

are explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to disrespect him.

It is only out of your excellency .

 

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana <shobhana_ms wrote:

 

Shobhana <shobhana_ms

Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

 

Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

 

Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,        

 

I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you have done so

much of work.

 

Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly but

occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I had once tried

to discuss the issue but the response of not encouraging. After one post I left

it at that. That is sometimes one and half year ago. I have seen your softwares

also.

 

I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining Dristi. I

have some additions and observations to make in that.

 

Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House Dristi (the aspect of

Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no stage talks about Graha Drist.

Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects

seventh, fifth and ninth. It does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

 

Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

 

" Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

 

First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half " . In that

the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd house and finishing at the

end of ninth house clock wise. The Invisible half commences at the end of the

Second House and terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with

some differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible half are

more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life cycle . Planets in the

visible Half provide apparent results but are not the roots of the results.

Planets in invisible half do not undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating

longevity.

Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible house can only

have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have aspects, no other.

 

Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

 

Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be described as

the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that marks and describes the

quality of the existence and life. The nautur of the houses of the quadrants ,

being Vishnu sthan or menifestations of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be

as " Dwisvabahva " having all dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and

Karmaphala, self and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya

is function of quardrants.

 

Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid down for

houses, 1, 4,  7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha

(Jaimini Sutra)

The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that Abhimukha

rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect over all others as

understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

 

This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for planets in

quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth house, their animosity

will spread to all the quadrants and the chart then will be considered as

Blind.  In Jaimini also, if one has Dual Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say

are in the tenth house (the visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the

fourth, seventh and the tenth.

 

Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

 

For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of aspects:

 

1.         Seventh aspect (100 percent):

     -From 3 to 9.

     - From 6 to 12.

     - From 8 to 2.

   2.       50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life aspect

               -From 3 to 11

              -From 5 to 9

3.        25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.

 

Then there are special condition aspects.

 

However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application adopts Jaimini

aspects too. Example I had given an example of relations between the first

house, 8th house and 11th house.  Another example then is the effects of 2nd

house over the tenth house. Unless there is a planet in the second house, the

tenth house and planets contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or

sleeping, not awake. If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house

as Taurus then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any

reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

 

The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further concepts

which actually amount to dristies of houses.

 

For Example, there are:

 

Takrao Ki Dristi

Dhoke ki Dristi

Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

Chhupi Dushmani

 

What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is perfectly fine .

 

I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might be wrong

Thanks and Regards.

Om Namo Narayana.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

<nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the aspect

> basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the aspects

> rules are different from aspect rules of other system of astrology. I

> hope this document may be useful for all.

> Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-Hindi

> Regards

> Nirmal

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Kursija Ji,

Pranam,

I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the book.

We owe great to him.

What he has written are his own views.

In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use of

aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

further.

Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.

 

Regards

Nirmal

 

, " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really appreciate your

understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant

practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are

explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

>

> --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana <shobhana_ms wrote:

>

> Shobhana <shobhana_ms

> Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

>

> Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

>

Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> �

> Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> �

> I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you

have done so much of work.

> �

> Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly

but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I

had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes one

and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> �

> I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining

Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> �

> Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House Dristi

(the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no stage

talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It

does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> �

> Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> �

> " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> �

> First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible

Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd

house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are

not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

aspects, no other.

> �

> Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> �

> Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be

described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that

marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The nautur

of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or menifestations

of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " having all

dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, self

and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is

function of quardrants.

> �

> Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid

down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that

Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect

over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> �

> This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for

planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth

house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the chart

then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has Dual

Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh and

the tenth.

> �

> Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> �

> For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

aspects:

> �

> 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> ���� -From 3 to 9.

> ���� - From 6 to 12.

> ���� - From 8 to 2.

> �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life

aspect

> �������������� -From 3 to 11

> ������������� -From 5 to 9

> 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.

> �

> Then there are special condition aspects.

> �

> However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.� Another

example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. Unless

there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets

contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not awake.

If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as Taurus

then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any

reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> �

> The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further

concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> �

> For Example, there are:

> �

> Takrao Ki Dristi

> Dhoke ki Dristi

> Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> Chhupi Dushmani

> �

> What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

perfectly fine .

> �

> I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might

be wrong

> Thanks and Regards.

> Om Namo Narayana.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

aspect

> > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

aspects

> > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

astrology. I

> > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-

Hindi

> > Regards

> > Nirmal

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

 

dear Bharadwaj ji

 

i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt ashant ji .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 volumes published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as he as doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar ji is still using same technics

i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Kursija Ji,> Pranam,> I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the book. > We owe great to him. > What he has written are his own views. > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use of > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.> Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment > further. > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.> > Regards> Nirmal> > , "S.C. Kursija" > sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really appreciate your > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.> > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:> > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@> > Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab> > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab> > �> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������> > �> > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you > have done so much of work.> > �> > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes one > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.> > �> > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.> > �> > Firstly it is "Rasi Drishti" or to put it correctly "House Dristi > (the aspect of Houses)" and not "Graha Dtishi". Lal Kitab at no stage > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.> > �> > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.> > �> > "Visible Half" and "Invisible Half"> > �> > First principle adopted is that of "Visible Half" and "Invisible > Half". In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not > undergo "Chakrapath Haran" while calculating longevity.> > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have > aspects, no other.> > �> > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)> > �> > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The nautur > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or menifestations > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as "Dwisvabahva" having all > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, self > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is > function of quardrants.> > �> > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)> > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect > over all others as understood by "Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men"> > �> > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the chart > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has Dual > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh and > the tenth.> > �> > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)> > �> > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of > aspects:> > �> > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):> > ���� -From 3 to 9.> > ���� - From 6 to 12.> > ���� - From 8 to 2.> > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life aspect> > �������������� -From 3 to 11> > ������������� -From 5 to 9> > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.> > �> > Then there are special condition aspects.> > �> > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.� Another > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. Unless > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not awake. > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as Taurus > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.> > �> > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.> > �> > For Example, there are:> > �> > Takrao Ki Dristi> > Dhoke ki Dristi> > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.> > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi> > Chhupi Dushmani> > �> > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is > perfectly fine .> > �> > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might > be wrong> > Thanks and Regards.> > Om Namo Narayana.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj" <nirbhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the > aspect> > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the > aspects> > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of > astrology. I> > > hope this document may be useful for all.> > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at> > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-> Hindi> > > Regards> > > Nirmal> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nair ji,

 

I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many times. I

had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the most

well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

>

>

> dear Bharadwaj ji

>

>

>

> i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt

ashant ji

> .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5

volumes

> published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as he

as

> doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar ji

is

> still using same technics

>

> i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

> , " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj "

> <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Kursija Ji,

> > Pranam,

> > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

> > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the

book.

> > We owe great to him.

> > What he has written are his own views.

> > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

> > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use

of

> > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> > further.

> > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more

thrust.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija "

> > sckursija@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really

> appreciate your

> > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

> > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan

Ashant

> > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

> > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

> > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you

are

> > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@

> > > Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> > >

> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > > �

> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > > �

> > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which

you

> > have done so much of work.

> > > �

> > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not

regularly

> > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal

Kitaab. I

> > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes

one

> > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > > �

> > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of

explaining

> > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> > > �

> > > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House

Dristi

> > (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no

stage

> > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and

ninth. It

> > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > > �

> > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > > �

> > > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > > �

> > > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half "

and " Invisible

> > Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from

2nd

> > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

> > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

> > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but

are

> > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> > undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

> > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> > aspects, no other.

> > > �

> > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > > �

> > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can

also be

> > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti

that

> > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The

nautur

> > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or

menifestations

> > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva "

having all

> > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,

self

> > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya

is

> > function of quardrants.

> > > �

> > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been

laid

> > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

> > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from

that

> > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have

aspect

> > over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > > �

> > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab

for

> > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the

tenth

> > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the

chart

> > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has

> Dual

> > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

> > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh

and

> > the tenth.

> > > �

> > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > > �

> > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

> > aspects:

> > > �

> > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> > > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect)

> of Half Life aspect

> > > �������������� -From 3 to 11

> > > ������������� -From 5 to 9

> > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between

> 6/8 and 2-12.

> > > �

> > > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > > �

> > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

> > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.�

> Another

> > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.

Unless

> > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and

planets

> > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not

awake.

> > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as

Taurus

> > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be

any

> > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > > �

> > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are

further

> > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > > �

> > > For Example, there are:

> > > �

> > > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > > Chhupi Dushmani

> > > �

> > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

> > perfectly fine .

> > > �

> > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These

might

> > be wrong

> > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > Om Namo Narayana.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal

Kumar

> > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

> > aspect

> > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

> > aspects

> > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> > astrology. I

> > > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab-

in-

> > Hindi

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhardwaj ji,

 

It is written in Arun Sanhita on page 340 ' khana no 4: chandra ka

ghar hai is ghar ko khana no 10 ke grah 100% drishti par dekhte

hain.'

Is this not according to the Parashar system of aspects?

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Kursija Ji,

> Pranam,

> I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

> person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the

book.

> We owe great to him.

> What he has written are his own views.

> In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

> so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use

of

> aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> further.

> Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.

>

> Regards

> Nirmal

>

> , " S.C. Kursija "

> <sckursija@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really appreciate your

> understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

> many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan

Ashant

> practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

> relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

> classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are

> explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> >

> > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> >

> > Shobhana <shobhana_ms@>

> > Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> >

> > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > �

> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > �

> > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you

> have done so much of work.

> > �

> > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not

regularly

> but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab.

I

> had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes

one

> and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > �

> > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of

explaining

> Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> > �

> > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House

Dristi

> (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no

stage

> talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth.

It

> does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > �

> > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > �

> > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > �

> > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible

> Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from

2nd

> house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

> differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

> half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but

are

> not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

> house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> aspects, no other.

> > �

> > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > �

> > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also

be

> described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti

that

> marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The

nautur

> of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or

menifestations

> of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " having

all

> dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,

self

> and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is

> function of quardrants.

> > �

> > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been

laid

> down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

> Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from

that

> Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have

aspect

> over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > �

> > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for

> planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the

tenth

> house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the

chart

> then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has

Dual

> Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

> visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh

and

> the tenth.

> > �

> > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > �

> > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

> aspects:

> > �

> > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life

aspect

> > �������������� -From 3 to 11

> > ������������� -From 5 to 9

> > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and

2-12.

> > �

> > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > �

> > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

> adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.�

Another

> example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.

Unless

> there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets

> contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not

awake.

> If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as

Taurus

> then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be

any

> reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > �

> > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are

further

> concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > �

> > For Example, there are:

> > �

> > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > Chhupi Dushmani

> > �

> > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

> perfectly fine .

> > �

> > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These

might

> be wrong

> > Thanks and Regards.

> > Om Namo Narayana.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal

Kumar

> Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

> aspect

> > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

> aspects

> > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> astrology. I

> > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab-

in-

> Hindi

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Sunil Nair,

I am glad that you are reading Lal Kitab written by Sh Krishan Ashant. But you

have not specified the book. Please read " Lal Kitab Jyotish, Prishtha Bhoomi and

Vyakha " , one of the best book. I again advise you to go through " Trik Bhawano Ki

Gatha " though not written by Krishan Ashant. It is an interview with Krishan

Ashant by Amrita Pritam.

Regards

 

--- On Mon, 9/29/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

 

Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:55 AM

 

 

Hare rama krishna

 

dear Bharadwaj ji

 

  i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt ashant ji .but if u

go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 volumes published till and

man of his stature how come he dont know as he as doing lal kitab for

predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar ji is still using same technics

i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

<nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Kursija Ji,

> Pranam,

> I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

> person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the book.

> We owe great to him.

> What he has written are his own views.

> In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

> so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use of

> aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> further.

> Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.

>

> Regards

> Nirmal

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija "

> sckursija@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really appreciate your

> understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

> many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant

> practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

> relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

> classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are

> explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> >

> > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:

> >

> > Shobhana shobhana_ms@

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > �

> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > �

> > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you

> have done so much of work.

> > �

> > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly

> but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I

> had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes one

> and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > �

> > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining

> Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> > �

> > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House Dristi

> (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no stage

> talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It

> does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > �

> > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > �

> > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > �

> > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible

> Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd

> house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

> differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

> half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are

> not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

> house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> aspects, no other.

> > �

> > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > �

> > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be

> described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that

> marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The nautur

> of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or menifestations

> of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " having all

> dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, self

> and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is

> function of quardrants.

> > �

> > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid

> down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

> Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that

> Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect

> over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > �

> > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for

> planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth

> house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the chart

> then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has Dual

> Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

> visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh and

> the tenth.

> > �

> > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > �

> > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

> aspects:

> > �

> > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life

aspect

> > �������������� -From 3 to 11

> > ������������� -From 5 to 9

> > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and

2-12.

> > �

> > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > �

> > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

> adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.� Another

> example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. Unless

> there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets

> contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not awake.

> If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as Taurus

> then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any

> reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > �

> > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further

> concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > �

> > For Example, there are:

> > �

> > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > Chhupi Dushmani

> > �

> > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

> perfectly fine .

> > �

> > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might

> be wrong

> > Thanks and Regards.

> > Om Namo Narayana.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar

> Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

> aspect

> > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

> aspects

> > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> astrology. I

> > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-

> Hindi

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear Kursija ji

 

Thanks for the information on book titles .I will defenitely go for those books ,But my hindi knowledge is so poor,so if u all can discuss here it will help me in assimilating the books when i buy it .

thanks and deep regrds

 

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected Sunil Nair,> I am glad that you are reading Lal Kitab written by Sh Krishan Ashant. But you have not specified the book. Please read "Lal Kitab Jyotish, Prishtha Bhoomi and Vyakha", one of the best book. I again advise you to go through "Trik Bhawano Ki Gatha" though not written by Krishan Ashant. It is an interview with Krishan Ashant by Amrita Pritam.> Regards> > --- On Mon, 9/29/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab> > Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:55 AM> > > Hare rama krishna> > dear Bharadwaj ji> > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt ashant ji .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 volumes published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as he as doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar ji is still using same technics> i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct> > regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" nirbhar@ wrote:> >> > Respected Kursija Ji,> > Pranam,> > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only> > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the book.> > We owe great to him.> > What he has written are his own views.> > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done> > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use of> > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.> > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment> > further.> > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.> >> > Regards> > Nirmal> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija"> > sckursija@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really appreciate your> > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so> > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant> > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good> > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my> > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are> > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to> > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.> > >> > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:> > >> > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab> > > �> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������> > > �> > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you> > have done so much of work.> > > �> > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly> > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I> > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not> > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes one> > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.> > > �> > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining> > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.> > > �> > > Firstly it is "Rasi Drishti" or to put it correctly "House Dristi> > (the aspect of Houses)" and not "Graha Dtishi". Lal Kitab at no stage> > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is> > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It> > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.> > > �> > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.> > > �> > > "Visible Half" and "Invisible Half"> > > �> > > First principle adopted is that of "Visible Half" and "Invisible> > Half". In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd> > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The> > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and> > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some> > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible> > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life> > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are> > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not> > undergo "Chakrapath Haran" while calculating longevity.> > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible> > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have> > aspects, no other.> > > �> > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)> > > �> > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be> > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that> > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The nautur> > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or menifestations> > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as "Dwisvabahva" having all> > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, self> > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is> > function of quardrants.> > > �> > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid> > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti> > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)> > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that> > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect> > over all others as understood by "Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men"> > > �> > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for> > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth> > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the chart> > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has Dual> > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the> > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh and> > the tenth.> > > �> > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)> > > �> > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of> > aspects:> > > �> > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):> > > ���� -From 3 to 9.> > > ���� - From 6 to 12.> > > ���� - From 8 to 2.> > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life aspect> > > �������������� -From 3 to 11> > > ������������� -From 5 to 9> > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.> > > �> > > Then there are special condition aspects.> > > �> > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application> > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of> > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.� Another> > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. Unless> > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets> > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not awake.> > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as Taurus> > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any> > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.> > > �> > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further> > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.> > > �> > > For Example, there are:> > > �> > > Takrao Ki Dristi> > > Dhoke ki Dristi> > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.> > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi> > > Chhupi Dushmani> > > �> > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is> > perfectly fine .> > > �> > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might> > be wrong> > > Thanks and Regards.> > > Om Namo Narayana.> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal Kumar> > Bhardwaj" <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the> > aspect> > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the> > aspects> > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of> > astrology. I> > > > hope this document may be useful for all.> > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at> > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-> > Hindi> > > > Regards> > > > Nirmal> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear Khurana ji

 

Thanks for this peice of information ,and it iwll help me more in understanding lal Kitab .

 

pls keep us illuminating .

 

thanks and regrds

 

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "khurana_satpal" <khurana_satpal wrote:>> Dear Nair ji,> > I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many times. I > had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the most > well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times.> > Sincerely,> > S P Khurana> > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > > > dear Bharadwaj ji> > > > > > > > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt > ashant ji> > .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 > volumes> > published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as he > as> > doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar ji > is> > still using same technics> > > > i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj"> > <nirbhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Kursija Ji,> > > Pranam,> > > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only> > > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the > book.> > > We owe great to him.> > > What he has written are his own views.> > > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done> > > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use > of> > > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.> > > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment> > > further.> > > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more > thrust.> > >> > > Regards> > > Nirmal> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija"> > > sckursija@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really> > appreciate your> > > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so> > > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan > Ashant> > > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good> > > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my> > > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you > are> > > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to> > > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.> > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@> > > > Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab> > > > �> > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������> > > > �> > > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which > you> > > have done so much of work.> > > > �> > > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not > regularly> > > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal > Kitaab. I> > > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not> > > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes > one> > > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.> > > > �> > > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of > explaining> > > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.> > > > �> > > > Firstly it is "Rasi Drishti" or to put it correctly "House > Dristi> > > (the aspect of Houses)" and not "Graha Dtishi". Lal Kitab at no > stage> > > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is> > > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and > ninth. It> > > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.> > > > �> > > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.> > > > �> > > > "Visible Half" and "Invisible Half"> > > > �> > > > First principle adopted is that of "Visible Half" > and "Invisible> > > Half". In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from > 2nd> > > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The> > > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and> > > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some> > > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible> > > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life> > > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but > are> > > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not> > > undergo "Chakrapath Haran" while calculating longevity.> > > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible> > > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have> > > aspects, no other.> > > > �> > > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)> > > > �> > > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can > also be> > > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti > that> > > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The > nautur> > > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or > menifestations> > > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as "Dwisvabahva" > having all> > > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, > self> > > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya > is> > > function of quardrants.> > > > �> > > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been > laid> > > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti> > > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)> > > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from > that> > > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have > aspect> > > over all others as understood by "Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men"> > > > �> > > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab > for> > > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the > tenth> > > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the > chart> > > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has> > Dual> > > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the> > > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh > and> > > the tenth.> > > > �> > > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)> > > > �> > > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of> > > aspects:> > > > �> > > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):> > > > ���� -From 3 to 9.> > > > ���� - From 6 to 12.> > > > ���� - From 8 to 2.> > > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect)> > of Half Life aspect> > > > �������������� -From 3 to 11> > > > ������������� -From 5 to 9> > > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between> > 6/8 and 2-12.> > > > �> > > > Then there are special condition aspects.> > > > �> > > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application> > > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of> > > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.�> > Another> > > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. > Unless> > > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and > planets> > > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not > awake.> > > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as > Taurus> > > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be > any> > > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.> > > > �> > > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are > further> > > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.> > > > �> > > > For Example, there are:> > > > �> > > > Takrao Ki Dristi> > > > Dhoke ki Dristi> > > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.> > > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi> > > > Chhupi Dushmani> > > > �> > > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is> > > perfectly fine .> > > > �> > > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These > might> > > be wrong> > > > Thanks and Regards.> > > > Om Namo Narayana.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal > Kumar> > > Bhardwaj" <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the> > > aspect> > > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the> > > aspects> > > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of> > > astrology. I> > > > > hope this document may be useful for all.> > > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at> > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab-> in-> > > Hindi> > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kursija ji,

 

You have said : " Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It

does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab. "

 

I would like to quote from Arun Sanhita page 38 where the Lal Kitab

in the context of Maha Dasha says :

 

mangal dekhta 8 chauthe ko, Guru dekhe 5 , 9 ghar

Shani dekhe ghar 10 teeje ko, drishti ho kul poorn ghar

 

Although this has been said in the context of Maha Dasha. But there

is no such statement in the book which says that this scheme of

aspect is restricted only to Maha Dasha and will not be applicable

otherwise.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,         I really appreciate your

understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant

practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are

explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

disrespect him. It is only out of your excellency .

>

> --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana <shobhana_ms wrote:

>

> Shobhana <shobhana_ms

> Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

>

> Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

>

Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

>  

> Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,        

>  

> I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you

have done so much of work.

>  

> Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not

regularly but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal

Kitaab. I had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of

not encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes

one and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

>  

> I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of

explaining Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in

that.

>  

> Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House Dristi

(the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no

stage talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth.

It does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

>  

> Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

>  

> " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

>  

> First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible

Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd

house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are

not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

aspects, no other.

>  

> Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

>  

> Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be

described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that

marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The

nautur of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or

menifestations of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be

as " Dwisvabahva " having all dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the

karma and Karmaphala, self and partner, the honor and dishonor, all

the dualityies of Maya is function of quardrants.

>  

> Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been

laid down for houses, 1, 4,  7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from

that Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have

aspect over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

>  

> This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for

planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth

house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the

chart then will be considered as Blind.  In Jaimini also, if one has

Dual Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house

(the visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh

and the tenth.

>  

> Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

>  

> For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

aspects:

>  

> 1.         Seventh aspect (100 percent):

>      -From 3 to 9.

>      - From 6 to 12.

>      - From 8 to 2.

>    2.       50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life aspect

>                -From 3 to 11

>               -From 5 to 9

> 3.        25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.

>  

> Then there are special condition aspects.

>  

> However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house. 

Another example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth

house. Unless there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house

and planets contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or

sleeping, not awake. If one consideres the fist house as Aries and

seconf house as Taurus then these are Jaimini rasi aspects.

Otherwise there can not be any reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down

such rules.

>  

> The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further

concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

>  

> For Example, there are:

>  

> Takrao Ki Dristi

> Dhoke ki Dristi

> Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> Chhupi Dushmani

>  

> What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

perfectly fine .

>  

> I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might

be wrong

> Thanks and Regards.

> Om Namo Narayana.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

aspect

> > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

aspects

> > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

astrology. I

> > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-

Hindi

> > Regards

> > Nirmal

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kursija ji,

 

Definitely both the books that you have mentioned are the best books

on Lal Kitab written so far.

 

I believe Sunil Nair ji has the English translation of the

Prashthabhoomi and Vyakhya known as exposition and background. The

other book by Amrita Pritam has not yet been translated into english.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija wrote:

>

> Respected Sunil Nair,

> I am glad that you are reading Lal Kitab written by Sh Krishan

Ashant. But you have not specified the book. Please read " Lal Kitab

Jyotish, Prishtha Bhoomi and Vyakha " , one of the best book. I again

advise you to go through " Trik Bhawano Ki Gatha " though not written

by Krishan Ashant. It is an interview with Krishan Ashant by Amrita

Pritam.

> Regards

>

> --- On Mon, 9/29/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

> Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

>

> Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:55 AM

>

>  

> Hare rama krishna

>  

> dear Bharadwaj ji

>  

>   i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt

ashant ji .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt

5 volumes published till and man of his stature how come he dont

know as he as doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr

> chillar ji is still using same technics

> i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct

>  

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Kursija Ji,

> > Pranam,

> > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

> > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the

book.

> > We owe great to him.

> > What he has written are his own views.

> > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

> > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use

of

> > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> > further.

> > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more

thrust.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C.

Kursija "

> > sckursija@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really

appreciate your

> > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

> > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan

Ashant

> > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

> > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

> > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you

are

> > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > > �

> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > > �

> > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which

you

> > have done so much of work.

> > > �

> > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not

regularly

> > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal

Kitaab. I

> > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes

one

> > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > > �

> > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of

explaining

> > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> > > �

> > > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House

Dristi

> > (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no

stage

> > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and

ninth. It

> > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > > �

> > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > > �

> > > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > > �

> > > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half "

and " Invisible

> > Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from

2nd

> > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

> > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

> > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but

are

> > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> > undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

> > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> > aspects, no other.

> > > �

> > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > > �

> > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can

also be

> > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti

that

> > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The

nautur

> > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or

menifestations

> > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva "

having all

> > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,

self

> > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya

is

> > function of quardrants.

> > > �

> > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been

laid

> > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

> > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from

that

> > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have

aspect

> > over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > > �

> > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab

for

> > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the

tenth

> > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the

chart

> > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has

Dual

> > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

> > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh

and

> > the tenth.

> > > �

> > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > > �

> > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

> > aspects:

> > > �

> > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> > > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect)

of Half Life aspect

> > > �������������� -From 3 to 11

> > > ������������� -From 5 to 9

> > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect.

Between 6/8 and 2-12.

> > > �

> > > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > > �

> > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

> > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.�

Another

> > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.

Unless

> > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and

planets

> > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not

awake.

> > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as

Taurus

> > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be

any

> > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > > �

> > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are

further

> > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > > �

> > > For Example, there are:

> > > �

> > > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > > Chhupi Dushmani

> > > �

> > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

> > perfectly fine .

> > > �

> > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These

might

> > be wrong

> > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > Om Namo Narayana.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal

Kumar

> > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

> > aspect

> > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

> > aspects

> > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> > astrology. I

> > > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab-

in-

> > Hindi

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Khuran Ji,Please accept my salutaions. You are well versed with Lalkitab. I donot have Arun Samhita. May you give the year of book and the section that you are referring to. I can verify from my book.

RegardsNirmalOn 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhardwaj ji,

 

It is written in Arun Sanhita on page 340 ' khana no 4: chandra ka

ghar hai is ghar ko khana no 10 ke grah 100% drishti par dekhte

hain.'

Is this not according to the Parashar system of aspects?

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Kursija Ji,

> Pranam,

> I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

> person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the

book.

> We owe great to him.

> What he has written are his own views.

> In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

> so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use

of

> aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> further.

> Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.

>

> Regards

> Nirmal

>

> , " S.C. Kursija "

> <sckursija@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really appreciate your

> understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

> many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan

Ashant

> practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

> relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

> classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are

> explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> >

> > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> >

> > Shobhana <shobhana_ms@>

> > Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> >

> > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > �

> > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > �

> > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you

> have done so much of work.

> > �

> > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not

regularly

> but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab.

I

> had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes

one

> and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > �

> > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of

explaining

> Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> > �

> > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House

Dristi

> (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no

stage

> talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth.

It

> does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > �

> > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > �

> > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > �

> > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible

> Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from

2nd

> house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

> differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

> half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but

are

> not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

> house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> aspects, no other.

> > �

> > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > �

> > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also

be

> described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti

that

> marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The

nautur

> of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or

menifestations

> of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " having

all

> dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,

self

> and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is

> function of quardrants.

> > �

> > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been

laid

> down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

> Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from

that

> Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have

aspect

> over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > �

> > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for

> planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the

tenth

> house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the

chart

> then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has

Dual

> Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

> visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh

and

> the tenth.

> > �

> > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > �

> > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

> aspects:

> > �

> > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular Aspect) of Half Life

aspect

> > �������������� -From 3 to 11

> > ������������� -From 5 to 9

> > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.

> > �

> > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > �

> > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

> adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.�

Another

> example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.

Unless

> there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets

> contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not

awake.

> If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as

Taurus

> then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be

any

> reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > �

> > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are

further

> concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > �

> > For Example, there are:

> > �

> > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > Chhupi Dushmani

> > �

> > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

> perfectly fine .

> > �

> > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These

might

> be wrong

> > Thanks and Regards.

> > Om Namo Narayana.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal

Kumar

> Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

> aspect

> > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

> aspects

> > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> astrology. I

> > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab-

in-

> Hindi

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

for those who are not familiar with the lalkitab, it is a system of

astrology conceived by shri roopchandji of punjab, which was then the

undivided india pakistan. during his days, large muslim population

was prevalent and urdu was in vogue there as this original book was

written in urdu.

 

i have studied all the various books of lalkitab six years ago when i

was in delhi and my consistent observation is that many of the

remedies recommended by lalkitab are sound in reasoning and are

mostly inhouse, inexpensive and easily doable even by the poorest

person.

 

however, the very basic structure of casting a horoscope and deriving

the results of planets and placements, is contrary and alien to vedic

astrology.

 

lalkitab also contain remedies like offering gud in a cemetery to

ghosts and bringing water from inside a cemetary etc. which are not

vedic in anyway.

 

hence lalkitab shall not be treated as a vedic system of astrology.

but i keep praising many of its simple remedies like feeding

respective birds and animals of planets and offering food objects or

materials of planets to mollify various planets, for these remedies

are highly efficacious.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear Khurana ji

>

>

>

> Thanks for this peice of information ,and it iwll help me more

in

> understanding lal Kitab .

>

>

>

> pls keep us illuminating .

>

>

>

> thanks and regrds

>

>

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

> , " khurana_satpal "

> <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nair ji,

> >

> > I agree with you. I had visited Pt. Krishna Ashant ji many times.

I

> > had seen all the five Lal Kitabs in his collection. He is the most

> > well known Lal Kitab scholar of our times.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear Bharadwaj ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt

> > ashant ji

> > > .but if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5

> > volumes

> > > published till and man of his stature how come he dont know as

he

> > as

> > > doing lal kitab for predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar

ji

> > is

> > > still using same technics

> > >

> > > i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b

correct

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Nirmal Kumar

> > Bhardwaj "

> > > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Kursija Ji,

> > > > Pranam,

> > > > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the

only

> > > > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the

> > book.

> > > > We owe great to him.

> > > > What he has written are his own views.

> > > > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he

done

> > > > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like

use

> > of

> > > > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> > > > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> > > > further.

> > > > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more

> > thrust.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal

> > > >

> > > > , " S.C.

Kursija "

> > > > sckursija@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,�������� I really

> > > appreciate your

> > > > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have

written so

> > > > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan

> > Ashant

> > > > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have

good

> > > > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab

in my

> > > > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you

> > are

> > > > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> > > > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@

> > > > > Re: Aspects as in

Lalkitab

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > > > > �

> > > > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > > > > �

> > > > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which

> > you

> > > > have done so much of work.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not

> > regularly

> > > > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal

> > Kitaab. I

> > > > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> > > > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is

sometimes

> > one

> > > > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > > > > �

> > > > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of

> > explaining

> > > > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in

that.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House

> > Dristi

> > > > (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at

no

> > stage

> > > > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> > > > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and

> > ninth. It

> > > > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > > > > �

> > > > > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > > > > �

> > > > > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half "

> > and " Invisible

> > > > Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence

from

> > 2nd

> > > > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> > > > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> > > > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with

some

> > > > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in

Invisible

> > > > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> > > > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results

but

> > are

> > > > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> > > > undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > > > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the

Invisible

> > > > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> > > > aspects, no other.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > > > > �

> > > > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can

> > also be

> > > > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti

> > that

> > > > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The

> > nautur

> > > > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or

> > menifestations

> > > > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva "

> > having all

> > > > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala,

> > self

> > > > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of

Maya

> > is

> > > > function of quardrants.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have

been

> > laid

> > > > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are "

Abhipasyanti

> > > > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > > > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth

from

> > that

> > > > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have

> > aspect

> > > > over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > > > > �

> > > > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab

> > for

> > > > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the

> > tenth

> > > > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and

the

> > chart

> > > > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one

> has

> > > Dual

> > > > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house

(the

> > > > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth,

seventh

> > and

> > > > the tenth.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > > > > �

> > > > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types

of

> > > > aspects:

> > > > > �

> > > > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100 percent):

> > > > > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > > > > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > > > > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > > > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect (angular

> Aspect)

> > > of Half Life aspect

> > > > > �������������� -From 3 to 11

> > > > > ������������� -From 5 to 9

> > > > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life aspect.

> Between

> > > 6/8 and 2-12.

> > > > > �

> > > > > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > > > > �

> > > > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in

application

> > > > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> > > > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th

house.�

> > > Another

> > > > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house.

> > Unless

> > > > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and

> > planets

> > > > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not

> > awake.

> > > > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as

> > Taurus

> > > > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not

be

> > any

> > > > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > > > > �

> > > > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are

> > further

> > > > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > > > > �

> > > > > For Example, there are:

> > > > > �

> > > > > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > > > > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > > > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > > > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > > > > Chhupi Dushmani

> > > > > �

> > > > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and

articles is

> > > > perfectly fine .

> > > > > �

> > > > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These

> > might

> > > > be wrong

> > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > > Om Namo Narayana.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal

> > Kumar

> > > > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing

the

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that

the

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> > > > astrology. I

> > > > > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-

Lalkitab-

> > in-

> > > > Hindi

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nirmal

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhardwaj ji,

 

I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh. It is

supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

 

These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri Roopchand ji

himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke liye kuchha

sahayak udaharan'

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

Pt . Ashant is a learned astrologer and  also

refers  Lal Kitab extensively.

He never claim that he is the only follow Lal Kitab.

 

In his books, he refers other , both ancient and modern ,authorities

extensively.

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

 

Monday, 29 September, 2008 11:53:27 AM

Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna

dear Kursija ji

 

Thanks for the information on book titles .I will defenitely go for those books

,But my hindi knowledge is so poor,so if u all can discuss here it will help me

in assimilating the books when i buy it .

thanks and deep regrds

 

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@..

..> wrote:

>

> Respected Sunil Nair,

> I am glad that you are reading Lal Kitab written by Sh Krishan Ashant. But you

have not specified the book. Please read " Lal Kitab Jyotish, Prishtha Bhoomi and

Vyakha " , one of the best book. I again advise you to go through " Trik Bhawano Ki

Gatha " though not written by Krishan Ashant. It is an interview with Krishan

Ashant by Amrita Pritam.

> Regards

>

> --- On Mon, 9/29/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:

>

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:55 AM

>

>  

> Hare rama krishna

>  

> dear Bharadwaj ji

>  

>   i am yet to read full book which i hav in possession of pt ashant ji .but

if u go tru introductory pages u can see he knows abt 5 volumes published till

and man of his stature how come he dont know as he as doing lal kitab for

predictions ,also his follower mr > chillar ji is still using same technics

> i am just giving wat i see in book and practicaly u may b correct

>  

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

nirbhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected Kursija Ji,

> > Pranam,

> > I am grateful for your motivation. Pt. Krishan Ashant is the only

> > person who kept lalkitab alive by printing his treatise on the book.

> > We owe great to him.

> > What he has written are his own views.

> > In my opinion he had not read the 1939 ans 1940 book. Had he done

> > so,he had not written conflicting views in his treatise like use of

> > aspects and rashis in parashari ways.

> > Since he is more experienced and elder to me, I cannot comment

> > further.

> > Thanks Sir, Your motivation will help me to study with more thrust.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija "

> > sckursija@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

I really appreciate your

> > understanding of Lal Kitab. Pt Krishan Ashant who have written so

> > many books on Lal Kitab have not explain the same Pt Krishan Ashant

> > practise only on Lal kitab and is my neighbourer and I have good

> > relation with him. I have invited him to speak on Lal Kitab in my

> > classes, he has not explain the Lal Kitab in the manner as you are

> > explaining. I have great regards for him. I can not dare to

> > disrespect him. It is only out�of your excellency�.

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Shobhana shobhana_ms@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Shobhana shobhana_ms@

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Aspects as in Lalkitab

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:43 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Drishti Or Aspects of Lal Kitaab

> > > �

> > > Dear Nirmal Bhardwaaj Ji,��������

> > > �

> > > I appreciate your tremendous efforts on Lal Kitaab for which you

> > have done so much of work.

> > > �

> > > Being a seeker my-self, I had been in touch with you, not regularly

> > but occasionally and also a member of your Groupd on Laal Kitaab. I

> > had once tried to discuss the issue but the response of not

> > encouraging. After one post I left it at that. That is sometimes one

> > and half year ago. I have seen your softwares also.

> > > �

> > > I would put my contibution like the simplified manner of explaining

> > Dristi. I have some additions and observations to make in that.

> > > �

> > > Firstly it is " Rasi Drishti " or to put it correctly " House Dristi

> > (the aspect of Houses) " and not " Graha Dtishi " . Lal Kitab at no stage

> > talks about Graha Drist. Grah Dristi and Nakshtra Drishti is

> > Parasarian concept. Like Jupiter aspects seventh, fifth and ninth. It

> > does not happen that way in Laal Kitaab.

> > > �

> > > Laal Kitab has developed its own ways of Dristies of House.

> > > �

> > > " Visible Half " and " Invisible Half "

> > > �

> > > First principle adopted is that of " Visible Half " and " Invisible

> > Half " . In that the Visible Half has been taken to commence from 2nd

> > house and finishing at the end of ninth house clock wise. The

> > Invisible half commences at the end of the Second House and

> > terminates at the end of the eight houses. The concept with some

> > differences id used in Jaimini and Parasari. Planets in Invisible

> > half are more strongers and are reasons / causes of one's life

> > cycle . Planets in the visible Half provide apparent results but are

> > not the roots of the results. Planets in invisible half do not

> > undergo " Chakrapath Haran " while calculating longevity.

> > > Therefore, Lal Kitab has laid own that Houses in the Invisible

> > house can only have aspects. Houses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 only have

> > aspects, no other.

> > > �

> > > Band Muthi Ke khane (Houses of the closed Fist)

> > > �

> > > Houses of the closed Fist are the Vishnu Sthaan. Those can also be

> > described as the union of the two trainges of Shiva and Shakti that

> > marks and describes the quality of the existence and life. The nautur

> > of the houses of the quadrants , being Vishnu sthan or menifestations

> > of Shiva and Shakti have been taken to be as " Dwisvabahva " having all

> > dual dunctions, The Birth and death, the karma and Karmaphala, self

> > and partner, the honor and dishonor, all the dualityies of Maya is

> > function of quardrants.

> > > �

> > > Therefore the rules of aspects of Dwiswabahya rasies have been laid

> > down for houses, 1, 4, �7, 10. These rules are " Abhipasyanti

> > Rikshani / Parsvaamebha Cha (Jaimini Sutra)

> > > The rasies aspect abhimukha rasi and the fourth and tenth from that

> > Abhimukha rasi. Hence the Planets inside the Closed Fist have aspect

> > over all others as understood by " Dekha Karen Sab Khaano Men "

> > > �

> > > This is the principle and reason for many rules of Lal kitab for

> > planets in quadrants. If thre are two inimical planets in the tenth

> > house, their animosity will spread to all the quadrants and the chart

> > then will be considered as Blind.� In Jaimini also, if one has Dual

> > Rasi as Lagna and Sun and Saturn say are in the tenth house (the

> > visible half), then they will effect Lagna, the fourth, seventh and

> > the tenth.

> > > �

> > > Aspects outside Closed Fist (Quadrants)

> > > �

> > > For other house on the Invisible half there are three types of

> > aspects:

> > > �

> > > 1.����� ���Seventh aspect (100

percent):

> > > ���� -From 3 to 9.

> > > ���� - From 6 to 12.

> > > ���� - From 8 to 2.

> > > �� 2.������ 50 percent aspect

(angular Aspect) of Half Life aspect

> > >

�������������ï\

¿½ -From 3 to 11

> > >

�������������

-From 5 to 9

> > > 3.������� 25 percent or 1/ 4 life

aspect. Between 6/8 and 2-12.

> > > �

> > > Then there are special condition aspects.

> > > �

> > > However, one can not stop at that as Lal Kitaab in application

> > adopts Jaimini aspects too. Example I had given an example of

> > relations between the first house, 8th house and 11th house.� Another

> > example then is the effects of 2nd house over the tenth house. Unless

> > there is a planet in the second house, the tenth house and planets

> > contained therein will be dormant (Soya Huwa) or sleeping, not awake.

> > If one consideres the fist house as Aries and seconf house as Taurus

> > then these are Jaimini rasi aspects. Otherwise there can not be any

> > reason for Lal Kitaab to lay down such rules.

> > > �

> > > The concepts of Dristies do not stop at that. As there are further

> > concepts which actually amount to dristies of houses.

> > > �

> > > For Example, there are:

> > > �

> > > Takrao Ki Dristi

> > > Dhoke ki Dristi

> > > Buniyaad or Foundation Ki Dristi.

> > > Achanak hamale ya war ki Dristi

> > > Chhupi Dushmani

> > > �

> > > What you have depicted in your beautiful charts and articles is

> > perfectly fine .

> > > �

> > > I only added the above as possible reasons and bases. These might

> > be wrong

> > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > Om Namo Narayana.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Nirmal Kumar

> > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I uplaoded the file (Aspects in Lalkitab.doc) containing the

> > aspect

> > > > basics as per lalkitab. It is pertinent to mention that the

> > aspects

> > > > rules are different from aspect rules of other system of

> > astrology. I

> > > > hope this document may be useful for all.

> > > > Hindi translation can be seen and downloaded at

> > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/6179640/ GrahDrishti- in-Lalkitab- in-

> > Hindi

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

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Respected Khurana Ji,Thanks. I have noted the section. I have the time to write detailed mails only on weekends or holidays. So I will put my comments on this issue in weekend. This issue requires discussion and further clarifications,I feel obliged if you give me your contact teliphone/mobile number. I will call you personally at your convenient time to discuss the issue.

RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhardwaj ji,

 

I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh. It is

supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

 

These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri Roopchand ji

himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke liye kuchha

sahayak udaharan'

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhardwaj ji,

 

Take your time. There is no hurry.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Khurana Ji,

>

> Thanks. I have noted the section. I have the time to write

detailed mails

> only on weekends or holidays. So I will put my comments on this

issue in

> weekend. This issue requires discussion and further

clarifications,I feel

> obliged if you give me your contact teliphone/mobile number. I

will call you

> personally at your convenient time to discuss the issue.

>

> Regards

>

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> On 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> >

> > I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh. It is

> > supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

> >

> > These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri Roopchand

ji

> > himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke liye

kuchha

> > sahayak udaharan'

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Khurana Ji,I dont find much time these days for writing mails because of my job requirements though I am online throughout the day. Thanks for bearing with me for delay in the reply. The example you are mentioning exists at page 946 to page 959 of 1952 version. There is a repetition of these lines in case of Khana (House) no 1 & 7 and 4 & 10. It says:

At page 948- Khana No. 1- 7In gharon ke grah ek doosrey ko 100% kee nazar se dekhte hai (Planets in these house aspect each other with 100% power)Again in case of Khana No 4 at Page 952

Khana No 4 - Chander Ka ghar hai, Is gharko khana no 10 ke grah 100% kee nazar se dekhte hain( House No-4- It is house of Chander. This house is aspected by the planets of House No 10 with 100% power)This is based upon the Lalkitab system of Drishtis (Aspects) explained in from page 100 to 120.

one will find the different types of aspects like• Baham Madad (Aspect of mutual Help)• Aam Haalat (aspect of Normal Circumstances)- The reference made in above example is based on this type of aspect

• Takrav (Aspect of Strike)• Buniyadi Aspect (Root Aspect)• Dhokey Ka Aspect (Aspect of Deceive) • Mushtarka Deewar (Aspect of Common wall)This is the uniqueness of aspects in Lalkitab. I don't find this type of aspects explained in any of the book I read so far. We can correlate these aspects by one way or other with any other system. But in my opinion every system is to be treated as an independent system.

I want to mention another uniqueness of this example:-The author has discarded the kundli made with the help of Date of Birth. He has taken in consideration the kundli made with the help of Palm lines. I reproduce the kundlis below

Kundli Made with the help of Date of Birth1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 92. Mars & Rahu in 63. Ketu in 124. Moon in 45. Jupiter Saturn in 10thKundli made with the Palm lines & Palm signs

1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 122. Mars in house 13. Rahu in 74. Ketu in 35. Moon in 26. Jupiter Saturn in 10thFrom above one can see that houses of all the planets except Jupiter and Saturn have changed.

This system emphasizes to use the corrected horoscope by way of samudrik symptoms. RegardsNirmalOn Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:02 AM, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhardwaj ji,

 

Take your time. There is no hurry.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Khurana Ji,

>

> Thanks. I have noted the section. I have the time to write

detailed mails

> only on weekends or holidays. So I will put my comments on this

issue in

> weekend. This issue requires discussion and further

clarifications,I feel

> obliged if you give me your contact teliphone/mobile number. I

will call you

> personally at your convenient time to discuss the issue.

>

> Regards

>

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> On 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> >

> > I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh. It is

> > supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

> >

> > These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri Roopchand

ji

> > himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke liye

kuchha

> > sahayak udaharan'

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

 

All I had wanted to say was that the lal kitab does use the

traditional astrology aspects also.

 

For Mars in the 4th house it says that it will adversely affect the

elder brother. This can not happen unless the traditional 8th aspect

of Mars placed in the 4th is accepted. It is only then a mars placed

in the 4th will aspect the 11th house, a house signifying an elder

sibling.

 

Similarly for the Mars placed in the 8th house it is said anewale

bhayion ko roke aur vapis bheje. This again takes into account the

8th aspect on the 3rd house like the traditional astrology. 3rd

house signifies the younger sibling.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Khurana Ji,

> I dont find much time these days for writing mails because of my

job

> requirements though I am online throughout the day. Thanks for

bearing with

> me for delay in the reply.

> *The example you are mentioning exists at page 946 to page 959 of

1952

> version. There is a repetition of these lines in case of Khana

(House) no 1

> & 7 and 4 & 10. It says:*

> *At page 948- Khana No. 1- 7*

> *In gharon ke grah ek doosrey ko 100% kee nazar se dekhte hai

(Planets in

> these house aspect each other with 100% power)*

> *Again in case of Khana No 4 at Page 952 *

> *Khana No 4 - Chander Ka ghar hai, Is gharko khana no 10 ke grah

100% kee

> nazar se dekhte hain( House No-4- It is house of Chander. This

house is

> aspected by the planets of House No 10 with 100% power)*

> This is based upon the *Lalkitab system of Drishtis (Aspects)

explained in

> from page 100 to 120.*

> one will find the different types of aspects like

> *? Baham Madad (Aspect of mutual Help)

> ? Aam Haalat (aspect of Normal Circumstances)- The reference made

in above

> example is based on this type of aspect

> ? Takrav (Aspect of Strike)

> ? Buniyadi Aspect (Root Aspect)

> ? Dhokey Ka Aspect (Aspect of Deceive)

> ? Mushtarka Deewar (Aspect of Common wall)*

> This is the uniqueness of aspects in Lalkitab. I don't find this

type of

> aspects explained in any of the book I read so far. We can

correlate these

> aspects by one way or other with any other system. But in my

opinion every

> system is to be treated as an independent system.

> I want to mention another uniqueness of this example:-

> The author has discarded the kundli made with the help of Date of

Birth. He

> has taken in consideration the kundli made with the help of Palm

lines. I

> reproduce the kundlis below

> Kundli Made with the help of Date of Birth

> *1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 9

> 2. Mars & Rahu in 6

> 3. Ketu in 12

> 4. Moon in 4

> 5. Jupiter Saturn in 10th*

> Kundli made with the Palm lines & Palm signs

> *1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 12

> 2. Mars in house 1

> 3. Rahu in 7

> 4. Ketu in 3

> 5. Moon in 2

> 6. Jupiter Saturn in 10th*

> From above one can see that houses of all the planets except

Jupiter and

> Saturn have changed.

> This system emphasizes to use the corrected horoscope by way of

samudrik

> symptoms.

> Regards

> Nirmal

>

>

> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:02 AM, khurana_satpal

<khurana_satpalwrote:

>

> > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> >

> > Take your time. There is no hurry.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> > --- In

<%

40>,

> > " Nirmal Kumar

> > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Khurana Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks. I have noted the section. I have the time to write

> > detailed mails

> > > only on weekends or holidays. So I will put my comments on this

> > issue in

> > > weekend. This issue requires discussion and further

> > clarifications,I feel

> > > obliged if you give me your contact teliphone/mobile number. I

> > will call you

> > > personally at your convenient time to discuss the issue.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > On 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh. It is

> > > > supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

> > > >

> > > > These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri

Roopchand

> > ji

> > > > himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke liye

> > kuchha

> > > > sahayak udaharan'

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > S P Khurana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Khurana ji,

I cannot comment upon the individual way of finding the logics. But

the logics should work at every level.

for instance Mars in 12,1 & 2 is not good for brothers. Here the

aspects do not work.

Regarding Mars in 4th & 8th , Mars is called as mangal Bud Here.

Mangal is also Neecha in 4th house. Traits of Mangal will suffer in

both the houses.

Now for instance Mars in 12,1 & 2, native is not good for brothers.

Here the aspects do not work.

Regards

Nirmal

 

, " khurana_satpal "

<khurana_satpal wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

>

> All I had wanted to say was that the lal kitab does use the

> traditional astrology aspects also.

>

> For Mars in the 4th house it says that it will adversely affect the

> elder brother. This can not happen unless the traditional 8th

aspect

> of Mars placed in the 4th is accepted. It is only then a mars

placed

> in the 4th will aspect the 11th house, a house signifying an elder

> sibling.

>

> Similarly for the Mars placed in the 8th house it is said anewale

> bhayion ko roke aur vapis bheje. This again takes into account the

> 8th aspect on the 3rd house like the traditional astrology. 3rd

> house signifies the younger sibling.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

>

>

>

, " Nirmal Kumar

> Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Khurana Ji,

> > I dont find much time these days for writing mails because of my

> job

> > requirements though I am online throughout the day. Thanks for

> bearing with

> > me for delay in the reply.

> > *The example you are mentioning exists at page 946 to page 959 of

> 1952

> > version. There is a repetition of these lines in case of Khana

> (House) no 1

> > & 7 and 4 & 10. It says:*

> > *At page 948- Khana No. 1- 7*

> > *In gharon ke grah ek doosrey ko 100% kee nazar se dekhte hai

> (Planets in

> > these house aspect each other with 100% power)*

> > *Again in case of Khana No 4 at Page 952 *

> > *Khana No 4 - Chander Ka ghar hai, Is gharko khana no 10 ke grah

> 100% kee

> > nazar se dekhte hain( House No-4- It is house of Chander. This

> house is

> > aspected by the planets of House No 10 with 100% power)*

> > This is based upon the *Lalkitab system of Drishtis (Aspects)

> explained in

> > from page 100 to 120.*

> > one will find the different types of aspects like

> > *? Baham Madad (Aspect of mutual Help)

> > ? Aam Haalat (aspect of Normal Circumstances)- The reference made

> in above

> > example is based on this type of aspect

> > ? Takrav (Aspect of Strike)

> > ? Buniyadi Aspect (Root Aspect)

> > ? Dhokey Ka Aspect (Aspect of Deceive)

> > ? Mushtarka Deewar (Aspect of Common wall)*

> > This is the uniqueness of aspects in Lalkitab. I don't find this

> type of

> > aspects explained in any of the book I read so far. We can

> correlate these

> > aspects by one way or other with any other system. But in my

> opinion every

> > system is to be treated as an independent system.

> > I want to mention another uniqueness of this example:-

> > The author has discarded the kundli made with the help of Date of

> Birth. He

> > has taken in consideration the kundli made with the help of Palm

> lines. I

> > reproduce the kundlis below

> > Kundli Made with the help of Date of Birth

> > *1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 9

> > 2. Mars & Rahu in 6

> > 3. Ketu in 12

> > 4. Moon in 4

> > 5. Jupiter Saturn in 10th*

> > Kundli made with the Palm lines & Palm signs

> > *1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 12

> > 2. Mars in house 1

> > 3. Rahu in 7

> > 4. Ketu in 3

> > 5. Moon in 2

> > 6. Jupiter Saturn in 10th*

> > From above one can see that houses of all the planets except

> Jupiter and

> > Saturn have changed.

> > This system emphasizes to use the corrected horoscope by way of

> samudrik

> > symptoms.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:02 AM, khurana_satpal

> <khurana_satpal@>wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> > >

> > > Take your time. There is no hurry.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > S P Khurana

> > >

> > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " Nirmal Kumar

> > > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Khurana Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. I have noted the section. I have the time to write

> > > detailed mails

> > > > only on weekends or holidays. So I will put my comments on

this

> > > issue in

> > > > weekend. This issue requires discussion and further

> > > clarifications,I feel

> > > > obliged if you give me your contact teliphone/mobile number. I

> > > will call you

> > > > personally at your convenient time to discuss the issue.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > On 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh. It is

> > > > > supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

> > > > >

> > > > > These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri

> Roopchand

> > > ji

> > > > > himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke liye

> > > kuchha

> > > > > sahayak udaharan'

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > S P Khurana

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

 

There is no individual logic about the Mars placed in the 4th

affecting the 11th house. This is traditional 8th aspect of the Mars.

 

Similarly, a Mars in the 8th house affecting the 3rd house once

again is the same 8th aspect.

 

I look at it as compatible with the traditional astrology. You are

welcome have your own views.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Khurana ji,

> I cannot comment upon the individual way of finding the logics.

But

> the logics should work at every level.

> for instance Mars in 12,1 & 2 is not good for brothers. Here the

> aspects do not work.

> Regarding Mars in 4th & 8th , Mars is called as mangal Bud Here.

> Mangal is also Neecha in 4th house. Traits of Mangal will suffer

in

> both the houses.

> Now for instance Mars in 12,1 & 2, native is not good for

brothers.

> Here the aspects do not work.

> Regards

> Nirmal

>

> , " khurana_satpal "

> <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

> >

> > All I had wanted to say was that the lal kitab does use the

> > traditional astrology aspects also.

> >

> > For Mars in the 4th house it says that it will adversely affect

the

> > elder brother. This can not happen unless the traditional 8th

> aspect

> > of Mars placed in the 4th is accepted. It is only then a mars

> placed

> > in the 4th will aspect the 11th house, a house signifying an

elder

> > sibling.

> >

> > Similarly for the Mars placed in the 8th house it is said

anewale

> > bhayion ko roke aur vapis bheje. This again takes into account

the

> > 8th aspect on the 3rd house like the traditional astrology. 3rd

> > house signifies the younger sibling.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Nirmal Kumar

> > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Khurana Ji,

> > > I dont find much time these days for writing mails because of

my

> > job

> > > requirements though I am online throughout the day. Thanks for

> > bearing with

> > > me for delay in the reply.

> > > *The example you are mentioning exists at page 946 to page 959

of

> > 1952

> > > version. There is a repetition of these lines in case of Khana

> > (House) no 1

> > > & 7 and 4 & 10. It says:*

> > > *At page 948- Khana No. 1- 7*

> > > *In gharon ke grah ek doosrey ko 100% kee nazar se dekhte hai

> > (Planets in

> > > these house aspect each other with 100% power)*

> > > *Again in case of Khana No 4 at Page 952 *

> > > *Khana No 4 - Chander Ka ghar hai, Is gharko khana no 10 ke

grah

> > 100% kee

> > > nazar se dekhte hain( House No-4- It is house of Chander. This

> > house is

> > > aspected by the planets of House No 10 with 100% power)*

> > > This is based upon the *Lalkitab system of Drishtis (Aspects)

> > explained in

> > > from page 100 to 120.*

> > > one will find the different types of aspects like

> > > *? Baham Madad (Aspect of mutual Help)

> > > ? Aam Haalat (aspect of Normal Circumstances)- The reference

made

> > in above

> > > example is based on this type of aspect

> > > ? Takrav (Aspect of Strike)

> > > ? Buniyadi Aspect (Root Aspect)

> > > ? Dhokey Ka Aspect (Aspect of Deceive)

> > > ? Mushtarka Deewar (Aspect of Common wall)*

> > > This is the uniqueness of aspects in Lalkitab. I don't find

this

> > type of

> > > aspects explained in any of the book I read so far. We can

> > correlate these

> > > aspects by one way or other with any other system. But in my

> > opinion every

> > > system is to be treated as an independent system.

> > > I want to mention another uniqueness of this example:-

> > > The author has discarded the kundli made with the help of Date

of

> > Birth. He

> > > has taken in consideration the kundli made with the help of

Palm

> > lines. I

> > > reproduce the kundlis below

> > > Kundli Made with the help of Date of Birth

> > > *1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 9

> > > 2. Mars & Rahu in 6

> > > 3. Ketu in 12

> > > 4. Moon in 4

> > > 5. Jupiter Saturn in 10th*

> > > Kundli made with the Palm lines & Palm signs

> > > *1. Sun Mercury Venus in House no 12

> > > 2. Mars in house 1

> > > 3. Rahu in 7

> > > 4. Ketu in 3

> > > 5. Moon in 2

> > > 6. Jupiter Saturn in 10th*

> > > From above one can see that houses of all the planets except

> > Jupiter and

> > > Saturn have changed.

> > > This system emphasizes to use the corrected horoscope by way

of

> > samudrik

> > > symptoms.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:02 AM, khurana_satpal

> > <khurana_satpal@>wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> > > >

> > > > Take your time. There is no hurry.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > S P Khurana

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Nirmal Kumar

> > > > Bhardwaj " <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Khurana Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks. I have noted the section. I have the time to write

> > > > detailed mails

> > > > > only on weekends or holidays. So I will put my comments on

> this

> > > > issue in

> > > > > weekend. This issue requires discussion and further

> > > > clarifications,I feel

> > > > > obliged if you give me your contact teliphone/mobile

number. I

> > > > will call you

> > > > > personally at your convenient time to discuss the issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > On 9/29/08, khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhardwaj ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have Arun Sanhita of Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh.

It is

> > > > > > supposed to be a Hindi version of 1952 urdu edition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These lines occur in the analysis of a kundali by shri

> > Roopchand

> > > > ji

> > > > > > himself under the section titled ' vishay ko parhne ke

liye

> > > > kuchha

> > > > > > sahayak udaharan'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > S P Khurana

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>