KRISHNEEYAM AND OTHERS

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Namaste Ms. Shobhana ji,

In the name or pursuit of doing some real research, I requested offline a Bangalore based Astro active in many groups, ardent researcher, being close to Mysore, I requested him to just enquire some old manuscripts availability.....at MY cost....... for Sri C.S. Patel often referred them in his books - on the subject of considering aspects in Vargas..etc.. and he also mentioned in which library of Mysore it was available.....

The response has been blank..... So much for astrologers who want to learn everything from INTERNET sources..... yet does not make any effort on their own..... even when others are willing to pay for that activity...... !!

Note: I am just sharing about a offline experience.... and this is NOT addressed to you..... for I know of you indirectly through a common friend.... and value that information....

Should I get any information, would surely share any manuscripts or good books through this forum....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Shobana ji,

 

Thank you for pointing this out to us. I was not aware of a copy being

here in the Files sections. Not visited there since a month.

 

It is a good opportunity for all of us when such good books are scanned

and posted in the archives for all to reach out and go deep in the

mysteries of the authors world .

 

But at the same time, it is my humble opinion that collecting books and

resources, one must suspend at one point of his life, and not clear this

suspension, unless he has not read, re-read, understood, and applied the

literature and knowledge which one is already having with the books he

possesses. I hve learnt this from experience hence i say this. With

close to over 600 books in astrology collected over a span of 30 years,

I still find more often than not, that i have missed studying something

which i already had with me for so many years. I dont say that i have

stopped buying books, but i am not so enthussiastic anymore, for i know

that nothing new is going to be revealed to me, unless i make use of

what I already have.

 

Books on meditations too, many can buy and understand, but it will not

help unless i sit down to meditate and see those lights they mention in

those books and the experience they share, with my own inner eyes and

mind.

 

therefore my request to the new comers, dont buy many books and feel too

happy collecting the same, unless you are ready to read ad go deep and

make efforts to apply the principles mentioned therein, to make the book

actually be of use and help to you, for which it was meant.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskaran .

 

 

 

 

, " Shobhana "

<shobhana_ms wrote:

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Namshkaar.

>

> I wish to profusely thank Shri Srinaadh and moderators of the

community

> for making avaialable some of the finest literature on astrology. I am

> perticularly thankful for a copy of Krishnneeyam.

>

> For the information of the leaned memebrs, this small book is

> considered to be one of the best on Prashna along with Shatpanchsika

and

> Prasna Marga.

>

> It is out of print and at least not available around Delhi.

>

> In Kerala No one undertakes " Prasna " without having mastry over

> Krishneeyam and Prashna Marg.

>

> There are other valuable treasure in the files sction and one must

make

> good use of it. It is a good collection. Some of the sanskrit text of

> Varhamihira is not easily available. Unfortunately it is not in

> Devanagari script.

>

> I am frantically looking for a copy of Dasadhyayi with Nauka commentry

> and a book supposedly written by Govinda on Prasna.

>

> I shall be very grateful if the same is made avaialble by any one.

>

> Thanks to the group and all of you again.

>

> May God bless you for a nice gesture.

>

> Om Namo Narayana.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear members,

I feel all members will be highly thankful to the one who may translate the

Krishneeyam and other classics in English

 

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Shobhana <shobhana_ms wrote:

 

Shobhana <shobhana_ms

KRISHNEEYAM AND OTHERS

 

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 11:15 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Group,

Namshkaar.

I wish to profusely thank Shri Srinaadh and moderators of the community for

making avaialable some of the finest literature on astrology. I am perticularly

thankful for a copy of Krishnneeyam.

For the information of the leaned memebrs,  this small book is considered to be

one of the best on Prashna along with Shatpanchsika and Prasna Marga.

It is out of print and at least not available around Delhi.

In Kerala No one undertakes " Prasna " without having mastry over Krishneeyam and

Prashna Marg.

There are other valuable treasure in the files sction and one must make good use

of it. It is a good collection. Some of the sanskrit text of Varhamihira is not

easily available. Unfortunately it is not in Devanagari script.

I am frantically looking for a copy of Dasadhyayi with Nauka commentry and a

book supposedly written by Govinda on Prasna.

I shall be very grateful if the same is made avaialble by any one.

Thanks to the group and all of you again.

May God bless you for a nice gesture.

Om Namo Narayana.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

Respected bhaskaran ji

 

shobhanaji tho new to our forum ,she is silent in many and other net grps and is a very serious astro enthusiast and she is approaching the subjuct with full respect and has desire do hard work and put in any amnt of efforts to understand one subjuct ,if possible i hope she will b more activ in our forum and will activly participate and will giv her typical logical touch to any discussions which we can find will b highly beneficial for a grp like ours .

 

But i must say ur concerns and observations r valid too.

 

thank u sir

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Shobana ji,> > Thank you for pointing this out to us. I was not aware of a copy being> here in the Files sections. Not visited there since a month.> > It is a good opportunity for all of us when such good books are scanned> and posted in the archives for all to reach out and go deep in the> mysteries of the authors world .> > But at the same time, it is my humble opinion that collecting books and> resources, one must suspend at one point of his life, and not clear this> suspension, unless he has not read, re-read, understood, and applied the> literature and knowledge which one is already having with the books he> possesses. I hve learnt this from experience hence i say this. With> close to over 600 books in astrology collected over a span of 30 years,> I still find more often than not, that i have missed studying something> which i already had with me for so many years. I dont say that i have> stopped buying books, but i am not so enthussiastic anymore, for i know> that nothing new is going to be revealed to me, unless i make use of> what I already have.> > Books on meditations too, many can buy and understand, but it will not> help unless i sit down to meditate and see those lights they mention in> those books and the experience they share, with my own inner eyes and> mind.> > therefore my request to the new comers, dont buy many books and feel too> happy collecting the same, unless you are ready to read ad go deep and> make efforts to apply the principles mentioned therein, to make the book> actually be of use and help to you, for which it was meant.> > regards,> > Bhaskaran .> > > > > , "Shobhana"> shobhana_ms@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Group,> >> > Namshkaar.> >> > I wish to profusely thank Shri Srinaadh and moderators of the> community> > for making avaialable some of the finest literature on astrology. I am> > perticularly thankful for a copy of Krishnneeyam.> >> > For the information of the leaned memebrs, this small book is> > considered to be one of the best on Prashna along with Shatpanchsika> and> > Prasna Marga.> >> > It is out of print and at least not available around Delhi.> >> > In Kerala No one undertakes "Prasna" without having mastry over> > Krishneeyam and Prashna Marg.> >> > There are other valuable treasure in the files sction and one must> make> > good use of it. It is a good collection. Some of the sanskrit text of> > Varhamihira is not easily available. Unfortunately it is not in> > Devanagari script.> >> > I am frantically looking for a copy of Dasadhyayi with Nauka commentry> > and a book supposedly written by Govinda on Prasna.> >> > I shall be very grateful if the same is made avaialble by any one.> >> > Thanks to the group and all of you again.> >> > May God bless you for a nice gesture.> >> > Om Namo Narayana.> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,

 

Thank You for your kind mail.

 

Yes Sir, of course my observations were only for the newcomers to the

astrology subject, and not for the forum. I can make out from her

wordings that she is old at this subject. Actually her mail made me

realise what blunders I have been through, and felt it my duty to inform

those who may fall in the same trap which i fell, that though books are

good to add to our library, but we must also learn to respect them, by

studying them well.

 

I feel happy always to know that you are anytime aware of the activities

on the forum, and are a very active moderator amongst all the Groups I

know. I find you moderating even at 2.00am early in the morning ( Late

night actually), which is a great work you are doing.

 

regards/Bhaskaran.

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> Respected bhaskaran ji

>

>

>

> shobhanaji tho new to our forum ,she is silent in many and other

> net grps and is a very serious astro enthusiast and she is approaching

> the subjuct with full respect and has desire do hard work and put in

any

> amnt of efforts to understand one subjuct ,if possible i hope she will

b

> more activ in our forum and will activly participate and will giv her

> typical logical touch to any discussions which we can find will b

highly

> beneficial for a grp like ours .

>

>

>

> But i must say ur concerns and observations r valid too.

>

>

>

> thank u sir

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> rajiventerprises@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shobana ji,

> >

> > Thank you for pointing this out to us. I was not aware of a copy

being

> > here in the Files sections. Not visited there since a month.

> >

> > It is a good opportunity for all of us when such good books are

> scanned

> > and posted in the archives for all to reach out and go deep in the

> > mysteries of the authors world .

> >

> > But at the same time, it is my humble opinion that collecting books

> and

> > resources, one must suspend at one point of his life, and not clear

> this

> > suspension, unless he has not read, re-read, understood, and applied

> the

> > literature and knowledge which one is already having with the books

he

> > possesses. I hve learnt this from experience hence i say this. With

> > close to over 600 books in astrology collected over a span of 30

> years,

> > I still find more often than not, that i have missed studying

> something

> > which i already had with me for so many years. I dont say that i

have

> > stopped buying books, but i am not so enthussiastic anymore, for i

> know

> > that nothing new is going to be revealed to me, unless i make use of

> > what I already have.

> >

> > Books on meditations too, many can buy and understand, but it will

not

> > help unless i sit down to meditate and see those lights they mention

> in

> > those books and the experience they share, with my own inner eyes

and

> > mind.

> >

> > therefore my request to the new comers, dont buy many books and feel

> too

> > happy collecting the same, unless you are ready to read ad go deep

and

> > make efforts to apply the principles mentioned therein, to make the

> book

> > actually be of use and help to you, for which it was meant.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskaran .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Shobhana "

> > shobhana_ms@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > Namshkaar.

> > >

> > > I wish to profusely thank Shri Srinaadh and moderators of the

> > community

> > > for making avaialable some of the finest literature on astrology.

I

> am

> > > perticularly thankful for a copy of Krishnneeyam.

> > >

> > > For the information of the leaned memebrs, this small book is

> > > considered to be one of the best on Prashna along with

Shatpanchsika

> > and

> > > Prasna Marga.

> > >

> > > It is out of print and at least not available around Delhi.

> > >

> > > In Kerala No one undertakes " Prasna " without having mastry over

> > > Krishneeyam and Prashna Marg.

> > >

> > > There are other valuable treasure in the files sction and one must

> > make

> > > good use of it. It is a good collection. Some of the sanskrit text

> of

> > > Varhamihira is not easily available. Unfortunately it is not in

> > > Devanagari script.

> > >

> > > I am frantically looking for a copy of Dasadhyayi with Nauka

> commentry

> > > and a book supposedly written by Govinda on Prasna.

> > >

> > > I shall be very grateful if the same is made avaialble by any one.

> > >

> > > Thanks to the group and all of you again.

> > >

> > > May God bless you for a nice gesture.

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayana.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

 

Respected bhaskaran ji

 

Thanks for the good words .Also i cud able to decifer on wat grounds u said so .And i know ur dedication to the subjuct .

Ppl like u and others like sobhanaji and many other respectable ladies and other knowledgble memebrs in this forum r realy making our grp a very good discussion grp with all thier activ participations logical interventions as we r discussing the basis and basics of various dictums .So at times many can come out with their own uniqe way of ideas and findings which will make us think in far more expansiv thoughts and real essense in astro way .

 

This giv us more energy and a feeling of satisfaction .

 

Pls b more activ and guide us in our discussions .

 

thank u sir

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > Thank You for your kind mail.> > Yes Sir, of course my observations were only for the newcomers to the> astrology subject, and not for the forum. I can make out from her > wordings that she is old at this subject. Actually her mail made me> realise what blunders I have been through, and felt it my duty to inform> those who may fall in the same trap which i fell, that though books are> good to add to our library, but we must also learn to respect them, by> studying them well.> > I feel happy always to know that you are anytime aware of the activities> on the forum, and are a very active moderator amongst all the Groups I> know. I find you moderating even at 2.00am early in the morning ( Late> night actually), which is a great work you are doing.> > regards/Bhaskaran.> > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > Respected bhaskaran ji> >> >> >> > shobhanaji tho new to our forum ,she is silent in many and other> > net grps and is a very serious astro enthusiast and she is approaching> > the subjuct with full respect and has desire do hard work and put in> any> > amnt of efforts to understand one subjuct ,if possible i hope she will> b> > more activ in our forum and will activly participate and will giv her> > typical logical touch to any discussions which we can find will b> highly> > beneficial for a grp like ours .> >> >> >> > But i must say ur concerns and observations r valid too.> >> >> >> > thank u sir> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Shobana ji,> > >> > > Thank you for pointing this out to us. I was not aware of a copy> being> > > here in the Files sections. Not visited there since a month.> > >> > > It is a good opportunity for all of us when such good books are> > scanned> > > and posted in the archives for all to reach out and go deep in the> > > mysteries of the authors world .> > >> > > But at the same time, it is my humble opinion that collecting books> > and> > > resources, one must suspend at one point of his life, and not clear> > this> > > suspension, unless he has not read, re-read, understood, and applied> > the> > > literature and knowledge which one is already having with the books> he> > > possesses. I hve learnt this from experience hence i say this. With> > > close to over 600 books in astrology collected over a span of 30> > years,> > > I still find more often than not, that i have missed studying> > something> > > which i already had with me for so many years. I dont say that i> have> > > stopped buying books, but i am not so enthussiastic anymore, for i> > know> > > that nothing new is going to be revealed to me, unless i make use of> > > what I already have.> > >> > > Books on meditations too, many can buy and understand, but it will> not> > > help unless i sit down to meditate and see those lights they mention> > in> > > those books and the experience they share, with my own inner eyes> and> > > mind.> > >> > > therefore my request to the new comers, dont buy many books and feel> > too> > > happy collecting the same, unless you are ready to read ad go deep> and> > > make efforts to apply the principles mentioned therein, to make the> > book> > > actually be of use and help to you, for which it was meant.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskaran .>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shobhana ji, First of all - Thanks. //For the information of the leaned memebrs, this small book is considered to be one of the best on Prashna along with Shatpanchsika and Prasna Marga.// I don't agree with categorizing the simple small text 'Shatpanchasika' with the big authentic and much useful text 'Prasna Marga'. Of course there are other excellent texts which maintains almost the same excellence of Prashna Marga such as "Prashana Anushtana Paddhati" (Written possibly by the Guru of the auther of Prashna Marga), Prashna Madhaveeyam (A text in malayalam which dates PRIOR to Prashna Marga, possibly a text that became guidance even to Prashnamarga), and then there are texts like Deva Prashna (by Onakkur Sankara Ganakan) and Deve Prashna Anushtana Paddhati etc which provides with numerous exta methods and clarifications (especially applicable in Temple Prashna). //> In Kerala No one undertakes "Prasna" without having mastry over> Krishneeyam and Prashna Marg.// True! //> I am frantically looking for a copy of Dasadhyayi with Nauka commentry> and a book supposedly written by Govinda on Prasna.// I am confused! Dasadhyayi itself is a commentary to the first 10 chapters of Brihat Jataka by Talakkulattu Govinda Bhattatiri. Then which Nauka you are speaking about? Dasadhyayi itself is the "Nouka" (Boat) for crossing the ocean of astrology as Prasna Marga puts it. If there is a Nauka commentary for Dasadhyayi then it would be a "Commentary to a commentary (!)" by some Govinda to a text by Talakkulattu Govinda Bhattatiri! It does not seem that it would be true - but who knows!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > Dear Group,> > Namshkaar.> > I wish to profusely thank Shri Srinaadh and moderators of the community> for making avaialable some of the finest literature on astrology. I am> perticularly thankful for a copy of Krishnneeyam.> > For the information of the leaned memebrs, this small book is> considered to be one of the best on Prashna along with Shatpanchsika and> Prasna Marga.> > It is out of print and at least not available around Delhi.> > In Kerala No one undertakes "Prasna" without having mastry over> Krishneeyam and Prashna Marg.> > There are other valuable treasure in the files sction and one must make> good use of it. It is a good collection. Some of the sanskrit text of> Varhamihira is not easily available. Unfortunately it is not in> Devanagari script.> > I am frantically looking for a copy of Dasadhyayi with Nauka commentry> and a book supposedly written by Govinda on Prasna.> > I shall be very grateful if the same is made avaialble by any one.> > Thanks to the group and all of you again.> > May God bless you for a nice gesture.> > Om Namo Narayana.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenaadh Ji,

 

I agree with with your leaned comments and observations.

 

Shatpanchsika is the first book on Prasna in Indian astrology which

laid down rules and basic framework for handling Paraná as a subject

through a Lagna Kundali. The book introduced to others for the first

time a new methodology. This little compilation of fifty six verses

written by Prithuyasha must have been inspired by great Varhamihira.

He could have been the pioneer.

 

Before this masterpiece, prasna was handled under samhita, along with

Nimitta, shakun etc and it was not handled though the momentary

chart. But thereafter it became part of Horashashtra and falita. all

other subsequent literature on Parashna is but a variation of the

approach laid down in Shatpanchsika. There lies its greatness and

importance.

 

Prasna Shastra is is more deep and profound spiritually and is

entirely based on the faith of " Prabhu Ichha " (The god ordained)

which was brought to a very high degree of sophistry and artistry in

Kraal. The birth of a question, its timings, time and manner of

answer etc is attached so much with " Prabhu Ichha " that the entire

methodology is held sacred. Most of the people who have written on

the subject have not indicated their names on the books they wrote.

Example is Prasna Marga.

 

 

Regarding Dasadhaya and Nauka, since I have not seen those but only

read about it and heard about it, so I am not in a position to

clarify. I only heard that there is a Dasadhyayi which is commentry

on the first ten chapters of Bruhadjattakam and then there is another

commentary called Nauka... I really do not know what it is..

 

I wish to and am keen to know..

 

Thanks ....

[Guest guest]

Dear Sobhana ji, //> Shatpanchsika is the first book on Prasna in Indian astrology// This could be a contraversial judgement. As we know - * Even the age old Rishi horas like Skanda Hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Sounaka Hora etc mention Prashna. * Brihat Jataka of Varaha Mihira is extensively used in Prashna. For example later day texts texts like Dasadhyayi are mainly written to teach us 'How to use BJ in Prashna?'. * Jain texts on Prashna may date back prior to that of 'ShadPanchasika' of Pritu Yasas. * Further Sakuna (Omen) - the integral part of Prashna - is dealt withe much clarity from earlier period onwards in Samhitas. Especially in Samhitas written by Jain scholers such as Garga, Bhadrabahu, Rishi Putra, SiddhaSena etc. Sakuna is dealt in detail in Epics and Puranas as well. //> Before this masterpiece, prasna was handled under samhita, along with > Nimitta, shakun etc and it was not handled though the momentary > chart. But thereafter it became part of Horashashtra and falita. all > other subsequent literature on Parashna is but a variation of the > approach laid down in Shatpanchsika. There lies its greatness and > importance.// You seems to have a point - but this may need verification. The vast amount of information available abotu Prashna (Prior to Prituyasas) itself points to the possible existence of many texts that deals with Prashna PRIOR to Prituyasas itself, even though we may not have anything to name right now. (This does not denay the possibility of the existance of such info).Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> Dear Sreenaadh Ji,> > I agree with with your leaned comments and observations.> > Shatpanchsika is the first book on Prasna in Indian astrology which > laid down rules and basic framework for handling Paraná ¡s a subject > through a Lagna Kundali. The book introduced to others for the first > time a new methodology. This little compilation of fifty six verses > written by Prithuyasha must have been inspired by great Varhamihira. > He could have been the pioneer.> > Before this masterpiece, prasna was handled under samhita, along with > Nimitta, shakun etc and it was not handled though the momentary > chart. But thereafter it became part of Horashashtra and falita. all > other subsequent literature on Parashna is but a variation of the > approach laid down in Shatpanchsika. There lies its greatness and > importance.> > Prasna Shastra is is more deep and profound spiritually and is > entirely based on the faith of " Prabhu Ichha" (The god ordained) > which was brought to a very high degree of sophistry and artistry in > Kraal. The birth of a question, its timings, time and manner of > answer etc is attached so much with "Prabhu Ichha" that the entire > methodology is held sacred. Most of the people who have written on > the subject have not indicated their names on the books they wrote. > Example is Prasna Marga.> > > Regarding Dasadhaya and Nauka, since I have not seen those but only > read about it and heard about it, so I am not in a position to > clarify. I only heard that there is a Dasadhyayi which is commentry > on the first ten chapters of Bruhadjattakam and then there is another > commentary called Nauka... I really do not know what it is..> > I wish to and am keen to know..> > Thanks ....>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenaadha Ji,

 

I appreciate the depth and spread of your knowledge and the information provided.

 

What I only meant was that the Chart and Lagna method of handling the Prasna was probably (probably) the innovation of great Vrahamihira which was given a formal shape by Prithuyasha, his son and later commentator Bhattotpala.

 

what ever little I know of ancient Jain method of handling Prashna, it is quite comprehensive and the origininator of the Parshna shastra in Kerala. The kerala school of Prashna was heavily influenced by it as most of the ancient jain scholars were from the South.

 

The first ever book dealing with Prasna as a subject, of course, was a Jain grantha called "Arhachchoodamanisaar" written probabaly by Badrabahu. Subsequently another famous book "Chandrolmilan" supposedly with about four thousand slokas was composed. It became very popular and influenced the Karala method immensely.

 

I have read and gone through some portions of the best compilation by the Title of "Kewal Prasnsgyaan Chooramani" compiled and translated by Shri Nemi Chandra Jain. Jains were traders and needed frequent answers about their investment, hence, Aaya Prasna was famous and popular amongst them.

 

In Jain Shastras, Prashna is mainly handled through Swar and Varna methodology and assigning planets, nakshtras etc to various combinations of the letters of the Prashna. Swar Sastra of Tantric school also existed which identified the movement of breathing. Amalgation of Matrika with Tatwa, Laya and Gati and then deciphering Prashna results from it. It existed from old time and was given a fillip by Samar Singh, Jai Sing and then by Narpati Jaicharya.

 

In the south, the Sidhas developed their tantra based Panch Pakshi (panch tatwa) system.

 

However, none of the system ever used Rasies. nakshtras and ascendants or the Chart as an entity to handle Parshna. Probably only Varahamihira did it.

 

I can not claim if this was influenced in any manner by Tajiks and Yavanas . I have no knowledge and no inclination to indulge into such controversies. I am primarily not an academician.

 

Kerla school was the finest amalgamation of all the systems, most notably in areas of finding out various sensitive points having a bearing on Prasna such as Aroodh or Chatra rasies and sphootas.

 

Using Rasies and planets and their innumerable characterstics in giving words to " Deva Ichha " and answer the Prekshaka (quarrant) commenced in a formal manner with Shatpanchsika (Probably) influenced by Varahamihira.

 

Well, the next request on you will be on "Panch Pakshi"......

 

Thanks

 

 

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Dear Shobhana ji, Thanks for the excellent write up! I have formatted the info provided by you and uploaded the same as an article in the files section of the group at: Group%20Wisdom/Ancient%20Books%20on%20Prashna.doc Note: Some pending work -* I have prepared a small write-up on Chandronmeelana system, Keralee Prashna system, and Aya Prashna system (Tradition of Sage Sugreeva) - but is not finding enough time to type it and thus provide it in the group. I will try to do the same at the earliest. * The same is the case with a write-up on Vriddha Vasishta of (possibly) 2nd century AD. * Pacha Pakshi Sastra, is a subject I am yet to cover. But Sunil ji has some good and unique info on this system I belive. (There is a good book by the modern day Pulippani available about this system as well)Thanks and regards,Sreenadh , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > > Dear Sreenaadha Ji,> > > > I appreciate the depth and spread of your knowledge and the information> provided.> > > > What I only meant was that the Chart and Lagna method of handling the> Prasna was probably (probably) the innovation of great Vrahamihira which> was given a formal shape by Prithuyasha, his son and later commentator> Bhattotpala.> > > > what ever little I know of ancient Jain method of handling Prashna, it> is quite comprehensive and the origininator of the Parshna shastra in> Kerala. The kerala school of Prashna was heavily influenced by it as> most of the ancient jain scholars were from the South.> > > > The first ever book dealing with Prasna as a subject, of course, was a> Jain grantha called "Arhachchoodamanisaar" written probabaly by> Badrabahu. Subsequently another famous book "Chandrolmilan" supposedly> with about four thousand slokas was composed. It became very popular and> influenced the Karala method immensely.> > > > I have read and gone through some portions of the best compilation by> the Title of "Kewal Prasnsgyaan Chooramani" compiled and translated by> Shri Nemi Chandra Jain. Jains were traders and needed frequent answers> about their investment, hence, Aaya Prasna was famous and popular> amongst them.> > > > In Jain Shastras, Prashna is mainly handled through Swar and Varna> methodology and assigning planets, nakshtras etc to various combinations> of the letters of the Prashna. Swar Sastra of Tantric school also> existed which identified the movement of breathing. Amalgation of> Matrika with Tatwa, Laya and Gati and then deciphering Prashna results> from it. It existed from old time and was given a fillip by Samar> Singh, Jai Sing and then by Narpati Jaicharya.> > > > In the south, the Sidhas developed their tantra based Panch Pakshi> (panch tatwa) system.> > > > However, none of the system ever used Rasies. nakshtras and ascendants> or the Chart as an entity to handle Parshna. Probably only Varahamihira> did it.> > > > I can not claim if this was influenced in any manner by Tajiks and> Yavanas . I have no knowledge and no inclination to indulge into such> controversies. I am primarily not an academician.> > > > Kerla school was the finest amalgamation of all the systems, most> notably in areas of finding out various sensitive points having a > bearing on Prasna such as Aroodh or Chatra rasies and sphootas.> > > > Using Rasies and planets and their innumerable characterstics in giving > words to " Deva Ichha " and answer the Prekshaka (quarrant) commenced> in a formal manner with Shatpanchsika (Probably) influenced by> Varahamihira.> > > > Well, the next request on you will be on "Panch Pakshi"......> > > > Thanks>

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Dear Sreenaadh Ji,

 

Thanks for such a wonderfull effort. I am grateful. Well if that

could help, I would improve upon that and put up an expanded write up

for the benefit of the group and all.

 

I would not write up as I consider my self a student and not

sufficientlty competent to write.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Shobhana ji,

> Thanks for the excellent write up! I have formatted the info

provided

> by you and uploaded the same as an article in the files section of

the

> group at:

> Group%

20Wis\

> dom/Ancient%20Books%20on%20Prashna.doc

> <Group%

20Wi\

> sdom/Ancient%20Books%20on%20Prashna.doc >

> Note: Some pending work -

> * I have prepared a small write-up on Chandronmeelana system,

Keralee

> Prashna system, and Aya Prashna system (Tradition of Sage

Sugreeva) -

> but is not finding enough time to type it and thus provide it in the

> group. I will try to do the same at the earliest.

> * The same is the case with a write-up on Vriddha Vasishta of

> (possibly) 2nd century AD.

> * Pacha Pakshi Sastra, is a subject I am yet to cover. But Sunil

ji

> has some good and unique info on this system I belive. (There is a

good

> book by the modern day Pulippani available about this system as

well)

> Thanks and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Shobhana "

> <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenaadha Ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > I appreciate the depth and spread of your knowledge and the

> information

> > provided.

> >

> >

> >

> > What I only meant was that the Chart and Lagna method of handling

the

> > Prasna was probably (probably) the innovation of great Vrahamihira

> which

> > was given a formal shape by Prithuyasha, his son and later

commentator

> > Bhattotpala.

> >

> >

> >

> > what ever little I know of ancient Jain method of handling

Prashna, it

> > is quite comprehensive and the origininator of the Parshna

shastra in

> > Kerala. The kerala school of Prashna was heavily influenced by it

as

> > most of the ancient jain scholars were from the South.

> >

> >

> >

> > The first ever book dealing with Prasna as a subject, of course,

was a

> > Jain grantha called " Arhachchoodamanisaar " written probabaly by

> > Badrabahu. Subsequently another famous book " Chandrolmilan "

supposedly

> > with about four thousand slokas was composed. It became very

popular

> and

> > influenced the Karala method immensely.

> >

> >

> >

> > I have read and gone through some portions of the best

compilation by

> > the Title of " Kewal Prasnsgyaan Chooramani " compiled and

translated by

> > Shri Nemi Chandra Jain. Jains were traders and needed frequent

answers

> > about their investment, hence, Aaya Prasna was famous and popular

> > amongst them.

> >

> >

> >

> > In Jain Shastras, Prashna is mainly handled through Swar and Varna

> > methodology and assigning planets, nakshtras etc to various

> combinations

> > of the letters of the Prashna. Swar Sastra of Tantric school also

> > existed which identified the movement of breathing. Amalgation of

> > Matrika with Tatwa, Laya and Gati and then deciphering Prashna

results

> > from it. It existed from old time and was given a fillip by Samar

> > Singh, Jai Sing and then by Narpati Jaicharya.

> >

> >

> >

> > In the south, the Sidhas developed their tantra based Panch Pakshi

> > (panch tatwa) system.

> >

> >

> >

> > However, none of the system ever used Rasies. nakshtras and

ascendants

> > or the Chart as an entity to handle Parshna. Probably only

> Varahamihira

> > did it.

> >

> >

> >

> > I can not claim if this was influenced in any manner by Tajiks and

> > Yavanas . I have no knowledge and no inclination to indulge into

such

> > controversies. I am primarily not an academician.

> >

> >

> >

> > Kerla school was the finest amalgamation of all the systems, most

> > notably in areas of finding out various sensitive points having a

> > bearing on Prasna such as Aroodh or Chatra rasies and sphootas.

> >

> >

> >

> > Using Rasies and planets and their innumerable characterstics in

> giving

> > words to " Deva Ichha " and answer the Prekshaka (quarrant)

commenced

> > in a formal manner with Shatpanchsika (Probably) influenced by

> > Varahamihira.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well, the next request on you will be on " Panch Pakshi " ......

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>