Re:Order of planets in Vimshottari Dasa

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Hi Neelam Ji,

 

I have just put some incoherent thoughts. I may not be very clear yet in what I

am trying to say. But this is something which can be explored to reveal a wealth

of information.

 

There is everything right about this. These incoherant thoughts are like a

jigsaw puzzle when put together the complete picture emerges.

 

By design, Vedas are in format thats not so much comprehensible to man kind that

only the truly initiated or seeker could make sense out of it.

 

So let us tesselate - keep arranging the puzzles and the collective effort might

bear fruit.

 

Regards

 

Bejoy.

www.keraladarsan.com

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Re:Order of planets in Vimshottari Dasa

 

Thursday, October 2, 2008, 11:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

This is indeed a thought-provoking discussion and the logic given by Bhaskar ji

provided further food for thought. I had been thinking about this and feel that

the basic unit of Nimesa as given in the Vedic texts, does seem to resonate as

the common factor in time-related principles.

 

Hymn 1.50 of the Rigveda on the Sun says:

tatha ca smaryate yojananam. sahasre dve dve sate dve ca yojane

ekena nimis.ardhena kramaman. a namo stu ta iti

 

[Addressing to Sun – " I bow before you, who travels 2,202 yojanas in half a

nimisa " ]

 

This half a nimesa seems to be an important measure.

 

A nimesa is equal to 16/73.33 seconds (0.24 sec). Nimesa is roughly the time for

a blink/wink. It can be used to derive the speed of light, very close to the

correct figure of 186,000 miles per second.

 

Most of the astronomical and astrological principles can be explained from this

unit. As Sun is the light giver and the horoscope is an interpretation of the

first ray of sun when the individual is born, sun also becomes a measure of his

prana at the micro level. He then starts the time-clock ticking for any

individual born. As the sun moves in the sky from that point on, so does the

prana in any being.    

 

As Bejoy ji suggested,

//Probably the modern clock has its origin in the above Vedic reckoning of

time.//

I also feel it does.

 

Equating human days with brahma's day (taking same nimesa value)

1 human day = 360,000 nimesas = 720,000 half nimesas

1 human year = 720,000 x 360 Nm

120 human years = 360,000 x 360 x 120 = 311,040, 000,000,000 Nm

 

Human life span is half a nimesa of (wink) of brahma. The life span assigned to

manushya as the kaalpurush.

 

The measures of time are also thus defined in the Puranas:

15 nimesa = 1 kastha

30 kastha= 1 kala

30 kala = 1 muhurta

30 muhurta = 1 day-and-night

 

Incidentally, 100 nimesas (36,000,000) is the modern astronomical unit also.

 

An important explanation by Sayana (c.1315-1387 AD) further elaborates this

phenomenon: " It is remembered that Sun traverses 2,202 yojanas (roughly 9 miles)

in half a nimesa, giving light to all things, even to the moon and the planets,

by night; for they are of a watery substance from which the rays of the sun are

reflected. Yojan is a yoking or harnessing, that which is yoked or harnessed, a

team or vehicle, or a course or path. Yojana is a stage or the distance

traversed in one harnessing or without unyoking. "

 

Bhaskar ji says that 27 Nimesa correspond to 27 Nakshatras, do we understand

that at each nimesha, Sun harnesses its energy? Is it through nakshatras?

27 nimesa is 16.20 pranas and total 21600 pranas in the day divided by 27 gives

800 pranas which is the movement of moon in one nakshatra and is 16.20 prana. Do

we see a linkage here between the celestial movement of light and biosphere

movement?

 

Nimesa, a unit of time binds the creation in celestial sphere to the creation in

biosphere. A definite logic and ratio exists and can be derived mathematically.

We can see how it co-relates the sun, the speed of light, the moon, the

distances between sun and moon, the day and night, the nakshatras, the planets,

Rahu-ketu, the solar year and the lunar years, etc. at the macro cosmos level

and in the same proportions how it symbolizes prana and movement of prana within

the body. How the disturbance in movement of prana (which is caused by speed and

acceleration by virtue of a fixed nimesha) and its off-tunement with the

macroprana throws the body off-balance and might result in disease etc. That is

what we do in ayurveda. This unit can be converted to all other phenomenon with

great ease.

 

All astronomical distances of planets can be derived in this unit and find a

parallel within our body in the form of chakras which are all comparable to

various nerve plexi that exist where our sages have suggested the chakras. The

movement of prana within the chakras, which are said to be governed by various

planets, is in the same proportion as in brahmand.

 

Modern science deals with many different branches of science. The level of the

mind is studied by psychology. The atomic level of creation is studied by

physics. The living cell is studied by biology. The body as a whole is studied

by anatomy and physiology. The level of the family and society is catered for by

sociology. The level of the solar system is studied by astronomy. The structure

of our galaxy, which is studied by radio astronomy. The level of the clusters of

galaxies and the universe as a whole is studied by cosmology, so on and so

forth...

 

In quest for more knowledge, mankind goes deeper and deeper, towards

exclusivity, but is unable to find the binding force, the all pervasive current

that flows through the creation… the inclusivity. The creation which appears

in separate forms, but is one at the basic of existence. At this point we find

the absolute level of existence studied by metaphysics. The metaphysics, which

tries to answer our intangible thoughts. Which tries to answer what we call as

supernatural, mystical, even religious at times. Yet the answers do not come

easy.

 

Here is a point where Vedas come to our rescue. When studied in the light of

different branches of modern science, Vedas become even more revealing. And

their text relates to all the levels of creation simultaneously! A case in the

point is a basic unit like Nimesa, which runs throughout.

 

On the basis of this Vedic knowledge, we can also understand why Jyotish can

claim to be the science to know everything. It gives an insight into the

connectedness of all levels of creation, and it lies at the basis of all other

branches of Vedic Science as well.

 

The basic vedic principle that governs all creation and finally merges all

knowledge and all sciences, appears to be, Yatha pinde tatha brahmande which

expresses the wholeness of the universe emanating from its infinite smaller

forms. Wholeness is expressed in every part, and since this wholeness is

contained in every part it has given rise to a holographic structure of

creation. It means, " As with a man, so with the Universe " . Microcosmos is in

essence the same as the external Macrocosmos. We are all, in potential, the

Universal Man.

 

If you can handle your self, you can handle everything. The great emphasis on

self knowledge is expressed in the famous upanishadic verse:  " Shantam shivam

advaitam chaturtham manyate, sa atma, sa vigyeyah " [ " That eternal peaceful

state, which is always auspicious, free from duality, and which the wise

describe as the fourth state of consciousness, that is the Self, that is to be

known thoroughly, scientifically. " --(Mandukya Upanishad 1.7)]

 

I have just put some incoherent thoughts. I may not be very clear yet in what I

am trying to say. But this is something which can be explored to reveal a wealth

of information.

 

Regards

Neelam