Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Respected Shobhana, I fear that you may not get the answers of these questions from any quarter.I, myself asked these querries from several astrologers, in various groups and even the writers fo the astrology books. But I have not get the satisfactory answer so far. The question seems to be kiddish in the first instance, but one has to toil hard to give the answers. Regarding Rashis and ownerships etc., We know that the science of astrology is ancient. In my opinion, The people didn't know about the degrees etc at that time. The people know about Sun and Moon.Predictions were based upon these two planets only.Degrees Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas period. As far as the rationale behind the Exaltation and deblitation degrees etc, I dont find reference in any book. But till we dont find answer, we have no other way to treat it as a fundamental rule of astrology. Regarding Mool Trikona - Every Astrologer recite this word several times a day. But Don't know the meaning of it. As you asked what is Moola & Its relationship with Trikona.I try add a cent. During my study of various astrological treatises, I never came accross any article wriiten solely on this important topic. I feel it is very important. I have few words say in this topic. These are my own assumptions come out of my studies of the astrology. I feel every one is aware of Lalkitab. During the study of lalkitab, I came accross a intresting topic,' " Bund Muthi ke Khaaney " (Houses of Kendras as caled in Vedic astrology). In lalkitab, It is termed as the Houses of Treasures given to the native by The Almighty, based upon his past birth Karmas . These House numbering 1,4,7,10 are Houses of Kendras, Each house of these kendras represent one trine of the kundli i.e. The kundli has Four trines or Trikonas. These are Trikona-1 (House 1,5,9), Trikona-2(House 4,8,12), Trikona 3(7,11,3) and Trikona 4(10,2,6). Moola means Aadhar, Jad(root), Base etc. These are Four mool trikons of the kundli. Means Four jads or Adhars, Bases etc of Kundli. Every planet has assigned one rashi in these trikonas based upon his properties. All males rules the first and main trine(Mars,Sun & Jupiter).These are fiery signs and are related to our Rooh, Atma. You will find Trine no-2 having 4,8,12 have not any mooltrikona rashis. This trien is kept by Almighty in his control. These houses represent Mother's Mamta & Death. No Planet No body have control over it. It is God's Grace. It is said 'even If the House no 4 is vacant, It will act like Moon, mother. Always come to fore to help, to rescue the native in case of distress.and again this trine gives death again controlled by Almighty. Trikona 3- It is having to Mooltrikona Rashis i.e. 7 - venus & 11- Saturn.If First Trikona represent Rooh, Atma this trine represent the Worldly Treasures.(Duniavi Sukh) Venus & Saturn are the two Planets who owns these. are major player in these Trines. Trikona-4 - Two Planets namely Moon & Mercury Own rashis in these to trikonas. This trine again represent Worldly affairs. These seven planets have their Mool Adhars, base in the respective trines. So as the properties as represented by Trines. Above are my own opinions regarding this topic as far as I gained from this subject till date. I wish more additions from the Respected Gurujans & experts Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj An AstoStudent http:\\.ueuo.com , " Shobhana " <shobhana_ms wrote: > > Dear Group, > We know that planets own certain Rasies. One Rasi each of the soul > and Mind, of the soli and Luni (of Sun and Moon). > > The entire process of creation and dessolution or destruction as some > one may call, emnetes from the Paramaatma who is represented by Sun > and his desire or mental wish, which is representated by moon. For > entire existence these two elements are the basic cause of existence > of thing. > > Then further, for Mahamaya which is the product of the supreme > element and the desire to fuction through the basic design of kaala > (time), other planets are there as tools of Kaala or time keeping. > However, thy all have been made responsible for controlling one rasi > each or one portfoloios each of the Sun and the Moon. > > Then they hace assigned their happiest state in the form of Rasies of > exaltion as per their nature or basic nature / element, perhaps. > > now we have gone far to say what is the theory of the divisions and > reached upto Nadi amsa, etc. > > My basic posers are: > > why a perticular rasi and a perticular degree has been assigned as > Exaltion of planets?? > > Then we come to Moola Trikona. There are two simple Questions. > > First, what is understood by Moola ? > > Why is this a Trikona? Why not Rasi ?? > > Let us solve this fundamntal riddle then only can we advance to > tother theories and explanation of Vergas etc?? > > > I request reponses from U all. May be I am too ignorant to know > this ?? > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 hare rama kirshna dear Nirmal ji thanks for lal kitab view .in vedic i blv this r dharma .artha ,kaam trikonas and moksha has to exercise own will and effort so natural moksha houses u cannot find any planet has mooltrikona . May b diffrnt variations for this too ,like yogic or tantrik version as frm where this astro originated . as regrds to exlatation signs and degress once bhaskra ji discussed in this grp already ,u can refer archives .Also mythological plus astrological explantions r their but not abt how they arrive at degrees except what bhaskar ji pointed out i blv mool means root or arambh or begining regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Shobhana,> I fear that you may not get the answers of these questions from any > quarter.I, myself asked these querries from several astrologers, in > various groups and even the writers fo the astrology books. But I > have not get the satisfactory answer so far. The question seems to be > kiddish in the first instance, but one has to toil hard to give the > answers.> Regarding Rashis and ownerships etc., We know that the science of > astrology is ancient. In my opinion, The people didn't know about the > degrees etc at that time. The people know about Sun and > Moon.Predictions were based upon these two planets only.Degrees > Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas > period.> As far as the rationale behind the Exaltation and deblitation degrees > etc, I dont find reference in any book. But till we dont find answer, > we have no other way to treat it as a fundamental rule of astrology.> Regarding Mool Trikona - Every Astrologer recite this word several > times a day. But Don't know the meaning of it. > As you asked what is Moola & Its relationship with Trikona.I try add > a cent. > During my study of various astrological treatises, I never came > accross any article wriiten solely on this important topic. I feel it > is very important. I have few words say in this topic. These are my > own assumptions come out of my studies of the astrology. > I feel every one is aware of Lalkitab. During the study of lalkitab, > I came accross a intresting topic,' "Bund Muthi ke Khaaney" (Houses > of Kendras as caled in Vedic astrology). In lalkitab, It is termed as > the Houses of Treasures given to the native by The Almighty, based > upon his past birth Karmas . These House numbering 1,4,7,10 are > Houses of Kendras, Each house of these kendras represent one trine of > the kundli i.e. The kundli has Four trines or Trikonas. These are > Trikona-1 (House 1,5,9), Trikona-2(House 4,8,12), Trikona 3(7,11,3) > and Trikona 4(10,2,6).> Moola means Aadhar, Jad(root), Base etc. These are Four mool trikons > of the kundli. Means Four jads or Adhars, Bases etc of Kundli. Every > planet has assigned one rashi in these trikonas based upon his > properties. All males rules the first and main trine(Mars,Sun & > Jupiter).These are fiery signs and are related to our Rooh, Atma. > You will find Trine no-2 having 4,8,12 have not any mooltrikona > rashis. This trien is kept by Almighty in his control. These houses > represent Mother's Mamta & Death. No Planet No body have control over > it. It is God's Grace. It is said 'even If the House no 4 is vacant, > It will act like Moon, mother. Always come to fore to help, to rescue > the native in case of distress.and again this trine gives death again > controlled by Almighty.> Trikona 3- It is having to Mooltrikona Rashis i.e. 7 - venus & 11- > Saturn.If First Trikona represent Rooh, Atma this trine represent the > Worldly Treasures.(Duniavi Sukh) Venus & Saturn are the two Planets > who owns these. are major player in these Trines. > Trikona-4 - Two Planets namely Moon & Mercury Own rashis in these to > trikonas. This trine again represent Worldly affairs. > These seven planets have their Mool Adhars, base in the respective > trines. So as the properties as represented by Trines. > Above are my own opinions regarding this topic as far as I gained > from this subject till date.> I wish more additions from the Respected Gurujans & experts> Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> An AstoStudent> http:\\.ueuo.com> > , "Shobhana" > shobhana_ms@ wrote:> >> > Dear Group, > > We know that planets own certain Rasies. One Rasi each of the soul > > and Mind, of the soli and Luni (of Sun and Moon).> > > > The entire process of creation and dessolution or destruction as > some > > one may call, emnetes from the Paramaatma who is represented by Sun > > and his desire or mental wish, which is representated by moon. For > > entire existence these two elements are the basic cause of > existence > > of thing.> > > > Then further, for Mahamaya which is the product of the supreme > > element and the desire to fuction through the basic design of kaala > > (time), other planets are there as tools of Kaala or time keeping. > > However, thy all have been made responsible for controlling one > rasi > > each or one portfoloios each of the Sun and the Moon.> > > > Then they hace assigned their happiest state in the form of Rasies > of > > exaltion as per their nature or basic nature / element, perhaps.> > > > now we have gone far to say what is the theory of the divisions and > > reached upto Nadi amsa, etc.> > > > My basic posers are:> > > > why a perticular rasi and a perticular degree has been assigned > as > > Exaltion of planets??> > > > Then we come to Moola Trikona. There are two simple Questions.> > > > First, what is understood by Moola ?> > > > Why is this a Trikona? Why not Rasi ??> > > > Let us solve this fundamntal riddle then only can we advance to > > tother theories and explanation of Vergas etc??> > > > > > I request reponses from U all. May be I am too ignorant to know > > this ??> > > > Thanks> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dear Mr. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji, If you refer to our mythology, the mention of Rashis is rare or not found, but mention of the event with reference to Nakshatra or Planet in a Nakshatra constellation is frequently observed. This means, our ancients knew of degrees and constellation calcuations. Feel -Degrees Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas period - would be incorrect. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:Respected Shobhana,//Regarding Rashis and ownerships etc., We know that the science of astrology is ancient. In my opinion, The people didn't know about the degrees etc at that time. The people know about Sun and Moon.Predictions were based upon these two planets only.DegreesRashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas period// Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear sreeram ji and grp . I realy miss this part to answer as i was in hurry , .i was abt to reply when the original post appeared but then it got postponed because of various reason ,on trokona part i already mentioned when i mentioned abt dharma signs .but i did not expanded it .Then i remebr it when this poster replied . we r lucky that vedas mentioned abt cloths ,if our rishis forget to mention it then now we must answer the question on nudist coloneis in india and we must hear that we got that knowledge frm some other part of world .I dont know sun and moon only astrology and nakshtras were inviscible ,which time he was mentioning in indian history ,if ancients know abt sun then they know abt rasis ,if they use solar yr then they know abt rasis ,if they use brihastatya yr they knows all zodiac it is all in veda s ,with diffrnt rituals and time they use all this ( They use almost half a dozn calenders depends on various purposes ) rasis is sun movement for one month .without that how they designed the yr and solar calendar which they used for varous religious fnctions and even agriculture . i think this is bhootavesh frm kaul ji regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Mr. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji,> > If you refer to our mythology, the mention of Rashis is rare or not> found, but mention of the event with reference to Nakshatra or Planet in> a Nakshatra constellation is frequently observed. This means, our> ancients knew of degrees and constellation calcuations.> > Feel -Degrees Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira> Prithuyas period - would be incorrect.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"> nirbhar@ wrote:> > Respected Shobhana,> //Regarding Rashis and ownerships etc., We know that the science of > astrology is ancient. In my opinion, The people didn't know about the > degrees etc at that time. The people know about Sun and > Moon.Predictions were based upon these two planets only.Degrees> Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas > period//> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dear Mr Nair, I being a new memeber looked at this topic with some interest. The expalanation provided by Mr Bhardwaj is innovative has some depth in it. Otherwise silence on the issue is a little confusing, including from its author. You asked for a search of Mr Bhaskar expalaination on the subject. I searched the archive but could not succeed. May be that you are able to help. And may be that you are able to explain the issue. , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > hare rama kirshna> > dear Nirmal ji> > thanks for lal kitab view .in vedic i blv this r dharma .artha ,kaam> trikonas and moksha has to exercise own will and effort so natural> moksha houses u cannot find any planet has mooltrikona .> > > > May b diffrnt variations for this too ,like yogic or tantrik version as> frm where this astro originated .> > as regrds to exlatation signs and degress once bhaskra ji discussed in> this grp already ,u can refer archives .Also mythological plus> astrological explantions r their but not abt how they arrive at degrees> except what bhaskar ji pointed out i blv> > mool means root or arambh or begining> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"> nirbhar@ wrote:> >> > Respected Shobhana,> > I fear that you may not get the answers of these questions from any> > quarter.I, myself asked these querries from several astrologers, in> > various groups and even the writers fo the astrology books. But I> > have not get the satisfactory answer so far. The question seems to be> > kiddish in the first instance, but one has to toil hard to give the> > answers.> > Regarding Rashis and ownerships etc., We know that the science of> > astrology is ancient. In my opinion, The people didn't know about the> > degrees etc at that time. The people know about Sun and> > Moon.Predictions were based upon these two planets only.Degrees> > Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas> > period.> > As far as the rationale behind the Exaltation and deblitation degrees> > etc, I dont find reference in any book. But till we dont find answer,> > we have no other way to treat it as a fundamental rule of astrology.> > Regarding Mool Trikona - Every Astrologer recite this word several> > times a day. But Don't know the meaning of it.> > As you asked what is Moola & Its relationship with Trikona.I try add> > a cent.> > During my study of various astrological treatises, I never came> > accross any article wriiten solely on this important topic. I feel it> > is very important. I have few words say in this topic. These are my> > own assumptions come out of my studies of the astrology.> > I feel every one is aware of Lalkitab. During the study of lalkitab,> > I came accross a intresting topic,' "Bund Muthi ke Khaaney" (Houses> > of Kendras as caled in Vedic astrology). In lalkitab, It is termed as> > the Houses of Treasures given to the native by The Almighty, based> > upon his past birth Karmas . These House numbering 1,4,7,10 are> > Houses of Kendras, Each house of these kendras represent one trine of> > the kundli i.e. The kundli has Four trines or Trikonas. These are> > Trikona-1 (House 1,5,9), Trikona-2(House 4,8,12), Trikona 3(7,11,3)> > and Trikona 4(10,2,6).> > Moola means Aadhar, Jad(root), Base etc. These are Four mool trikons> > of the kundli. Means Four jads or Adhars, Bases etc of Kundli. Every> > planet has assigned one rashi in these trikonas based upon his> > properties. All males rules the first and main trine(Mars,Sun & > > Jupiter).These are fiery signs and are related to our Rooh, Atma.> > You will find Trine no-2 having 4,8,12 have not any mooltrikona> > rashis. This trien is kept by Almighty in his control. These houses> > represent Mother's Mamta & Death. No Planet No body have control over> > it. It is God's Grace. It is said 'even If the House no 4 is vacant,> > It will act like Moon, mother. Always come to fore to help, to rescue> > the native in case of distress.and again this trine gives death again> > controlled by Almighty.> > Trikona 3- It is having to Mooltrikona Rashis i.e. 7 - venus & 11-> > Saturn.If First Trikona represent Rooh, Atma this trine represent the> > Worldly Treasures.(Duniavi Sukh) Venus & Saturn are the two Planets> > who owns these. are major player in these Trines.> > Trikona-4 - Two Planets namely Moon & Mercury Own rashis in these to> > trikonas. This trine again represent Worldly affairs.> > These seven planets have their Mool Adhars, base in the respective> > trines. So as the properties as represented by Trines.> > Above are my own opinions regarding this topic as far as I gained> > from this subject till date.> > I wish more additions from the Respected Gurujans & experts> > Regards> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > An AstoStudent> > http:\\.ueuo.com> >> > , "Shobhana"> > shobhana_ms@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Group,> > > We know that planets own certain Rasies. One Rasi each of the soul> > > and Mind, of the soli and Luni (of Sun and Moon).> > >> > > The entire process of creation and dessolution or destruction as> > some> > > one may call, emnetes from the Paramaatma who is represented by Sun> > > and his desire or mental wish, which is representated by moon. For> > > entire existence these two elements are the basic cause of> > existence> > > of thing.> > >> > > Then further, for Mahamaya which is the product of the supreme> > > element and the desire to fuction through the basic design of kaala> > > (time), other planets are there as tools of Kaala or time keeping.> > > However, thy all have been made responsible for controlling one> > rasi> > > each or one portfoloios each of the Sun and the Moon.> > >> > > Then they hace assigned their happiest state in the form of Rasies> > of> > > exaltion as per their nature or basic nature / element, perhaps.> > >> > > now we have gone far to say what is the theory of the divisions and> > > reached upto Nadi amsa, etc.> > >> > > My basic posers are:> > >> > > why a perticular rasi and a perticular degree has been assigned> > as> > > Exaltion of planets??> > >> > > Then we come to Moola Trikona. There are two simple Questions.> > >> > > First, what is understood by Moola ?> > >> > > Why is this a Trikona? Why not Rasi ??> > >> > > Let us solve this fundamntal riddle then only can we advance to> > > tother theories and explanation of Vergas etc??> > >> > >> > > I request reponses from U all. May be I am too ignorant to know> > > this ??> > >> > > Thanks> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dear Mr. RaajeevaPandit ji, Kindly re-search the archives, the details are there explained by Mr. Bhaskar. You would appreciate all are serious hobbyists, yet in their own search,..... if somebody has time, would help you in searching archives..... search for desired messages in the last two months you will find it. You can break the silence.... by adding your views on the subject !!! With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Mr Sreeram, I reserched the archive as ordered by you... which I had done earlier too but felt sheepish at your reply...I understand every one's time is the most valuable thing..I am sorry if I wasted some of yours... I was was looking for the resons and not the facts what is mola trikona etc ?? Only Sreesog has attepted it at many places, brilliantly but only very intelligent attempts but things are not settled No clear picture has emerged so far. Do not worry, sir, I shall fend for myself as advised by you. It would be impertinent on my part not to say thanks. However you may have a relook at yor post. , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Mr. RaajeevaPandit ji,> > Kindly re-search the archives, the details are there explained by Mr.> Bhaskar. You would appreciate all are serious hobbyists, yet in their> own search,..... if somebody has time, would help you in searching> archives..... search for desired messages in the last two months you> will find it.> > You can break the silence.... by adding your views on the subject !!!> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dear Rajeevapandit ji and group, Here are some pointers for the multikon degrees, to take the discussion forward. The asterisms reveal the finer nuances of zodiacal impulsions and also give us a clue to the importance of certain degrees for different planets, according to which they have been assigned some special degrees. A planet when posited witin those degrees gets a special strength to take forward that particular impulse of the lunar mansion or sign or house placement. The nakshatras actually represent the stages of transmutation of soul. They take the soul through the cycle of evolution of atma and dissolution into paramatma. The divine spark, lying in the state of dormancy at the conclusion of previous cycle (manavantaric), gets energized afresh under ashwini where under the impact of mars, the energy received by inert matter begins externalize itself and the concrete matter begins to move, act and express its intrinsic reactions and qualities. Mars has been assigned the task of carrying this impulse forward, which is basically animal consciousness, the self-seeking, self-centered qualities. After this beginning of journey of the soul, when the ego flows upto magha, the 10th star, it is individualized as human being. This is where Sun gets its multrikon. From here the soul gets immersed in ahankara (egotism), avidya (spiritual ignorance), and Dehabhimana (pride of one's physical form) and is fully immersed in materialism oblivious of its pristine nature and divine paternity. Sooner or later the past memory is aroused and ego begins to retrace its steps. Under Mula star, this path of withdrawal starts. It is at Mula where the dormant energy is untrapped, which is the place of Kundilini. That is how we get the multrikon, the triad (1-10-19) of transmutation of impulses in the evolutionary process of the soul. The landmark evolutionary stages are marked in the lunar mansions of Ketu, the dhwaja. Though multrikon derives its name basically from this higher triad of 1,5,9 only. But other planets are also assigned important degree positions, also called multrikona degrees. They have their own importance and logic behind them. While this basic cycle is energized, moon plays the manas, or the planet which reflects the atmic consciousness through mercury. Saturn is the inert principle and venus carries the kama-manasic impulses which refine the animal instincts as the soul evolves. Can anyone say, Why do we have mercurial signs flanking the luminaries? Why do we have jupiter's signs flanking the saturnian impulses? This gives us clues to multrikon degrees of other planets. I'll write more on the multrikon signs of other planets in the next note. The astrology, as done in ancient times was more of esoteric kind. Hence our seers have based most of the principles on spiritual side of the being. With our stretch of imagination, we keep applying these principles to different areas of life. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dear All, Please add the sentence in blue to the following para in my earlier post. Sooner or later the past memory is aroused and ego begins to retrace its steps. Under Mula star, this path of withdrawal starts. It is at Mula where the dormant energy is untrapped, which is the place of Kundilini. This Mula nakshatra is the multrikon degrees of Jupiter, which leads the individual to highest illumination and attainment of truth and consciousness. From here the soul again evolves to merge into paramatma and reaches its final stage at revati. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Dear neelam JI The reason for mercurial signs flanking the luminaries is simple. It is simply arranged in the order of Solar System on either side of luminariesSat-Jup-Mars-Ven-Merc-(Moon +Sun)Merc-venus-mars- Jup-Sat Aqu- Pi- Ari- Tau- Gem--(Can + -Leo)---Vir-----Lib---Sco----Sag---CapRegardsUdupaOn Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Mr. RaajeevaPandit ji, Kindly re-search the archives, the details are there explained by Mr. Bhaskar. You would appreciate all are serious hobbyists, yet in their own search,..... if somebody has time, would help you in searching archives..... search for desired messages in the last two months you will find it. You can break the silence.... by adding your views on the subject !!! With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Respected Neelam Ji, There may be many reasons behind it. But in my opinion it is very simple rule. The whole universe is taken as an kingdom /palace. Which is ruled by two illuminaries. SUn & Moon. I have uploaded a image/pdf filein file section namely 'planetThrone.pdf' . Please have a look at it. It represent a kingdom of Sun & Moon. It is like a globe or earth. Horizontally/Verticaly this universe/globe is devided in two halves. Further upper hemisphere/lower hemisphere devided in two three parts each. Top most is the throne on which King(Sun) & Queen(Moon) are sitting.The rashis are Simha & Karka owned by Sun & Moon respectively. Second segment of top hemisphere is having Kanya & Mithuna Rashis.Whish is a place of the son of these two illuminuries. Third segment or lowermost of upper hemisphere is having  Venus -Rashis Tula & Vrishabh. Venus is a karka of worldly pleasures From above you can see that First half totally belongs to king 's family and there liesure area. Now in second Hemisphere it has also three segments. this hemisphere belongs to the planets who give assitant to king or may be termed as servants of King or the person on the payroll. First Segment goes as hierarchy to Mars, the Senapati(head) of the army to guard king's family and its liesure .it has Rashis of Mesha & Vrishchika Middle segment belongs to the teaching or guru community. Having Dhanu & Meena Rashis ,Jupiter is the head of this layer of King's Community. Lowermost segment belongs to Saturn. is having Kumbha & Makara rashis. This segment represent Praja, Servants and all other coummunites related with common people. I have this simple way to explain the rashis and there sequence as per my understanding of the subject. I wish more to be added by others Regards Nirmal , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Rajeevapandit ji and group, > > Here are some pointers for the multikon degrees, to take the discussion > forward. > > The asterisms reveal the finer nuances of zodiacal impulsions and also give > us a clue to the importance of certain degrees for different planets, > according to which they have been assigned some special degrees. A planet > when posited witin those degrees gets a special strength to take forward > that particular impulse of the lunar mansion or sign or house placement. > > The nakshatras actually represent the stages of transmutation of soul. They > take the soul through the cycle of evolution of atma and dissolution into > paramatma. > > The divine spark, lying in the state of dormancy at the conclusion of > previous cycle (manavantaric), gets energized afresh under ashwini where > under the impact of mars, the energy received by inert matter begins > externalize itself and the concrete matter begins to move, act and express > its intrinsic reactions and qualities. Mars has been assigned the task of > carrying this impulse forward, which is basically animal consciousness, the > self-seeking, self-centered qualities. > > After this beginning of journey of the soul, when the ego flows upto magha, > the 10th star, it is individualized as human being. This is where Sun gets > its multrikon. From here the soul gets immersed in ahankara (egotism), > avidya (spiritual ignorance), and Dehabhimana (pride of one's physical form) > and is fully immersed in materialism oblivious of its pristine nature and > divine paternity. > > Sooner or later the past memory is aroused and ego begins to retrace its > steps. Under Mula star, this path of withdrawal starts. It is at Mula where > the dormant energy is untrapped, which is the place of Kundilini. > > That is how we get the multrikon, the triad (1-10-19) of transmutation of > impulses in the evolutionary process of the soul. The landmark evolutionary > stages are marked in the lunar mansions of Ketu, the dhwaja. Though > multrikon derives its name basically from this higher triad of 1,5,9 only. > But other planets are also assigned important degree positions, also called > multrikona degrees. They have their own importance and logic behind them. > > While this basic cycle is energized, moon plays the manas, or the planet > which reflects the atmic consciousness through mercury. Saturn is the inert > principle and venus carries the kama-manasic impulses which refine the > animal instincts as the soul evolves. > > Can anyone say, > > Why do we have mercurial signs flanking the luminaries? > Why do we have jupiter's signs flanking the saturnian impulses? > > This gives us clues to multrikon degrees of other planets. > I'll write more on the multrikon signs of other planets in the next note. > > The astrology, as done in ancient times was more of esoteric kind. Hence our > seers have based most of the principles on spiritual side of the being. With > our stretch of imagination, we keep applying these principles to different > areas of life. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 I am concerned as there is clash in every subject among members and they use strong words between them. I think, if there is disagreement among two, let them say they disagree and that is all. Noway they are to be proud of accusing each other, 'in least excuse'. We loose precious time in reading them. Regards, with prayer to bring peace among members A.V.Pathi, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:44:05 PM Re: Moola Trikona Hare rama krishna dear rajiv ji i dont hide behind paramapa ,and will never do also ,what i reminded u is ur style of extracting knowldge ,if i am known everything u will not find me in any grp ,but u were pointing out abt ppl r not giving or why silence etc ,healthy dicussions shud evolve with mutual respect ,dont think strology can learn frm soft copies in net and its of no use too can u tell me what use of ur article in daily life ,where as what ever i disclose is usefull in many way for commoners they dont worry abt big bang theory . even i am not much interested in intellectual aerobics ,it is good to please western ppl not indians . also mind it i dont need to protect my parampara and u r welcome to attack it .but dont teach fish to swim in water .because i blv in phaladesh only ,so if its fitting in i take it ,other wise that is it. so u can attack my parmapara but on intellectual astrological basis ,i may reply or select only some posts to reply it is my free will all this happened because ur entry was with a big bang and some personal enmity i can see in ur post ,if u dont feel good in forum it is upto u to remain silent or ignore those persons posts,but no personal remarks except to me ,u can call me anything .i dont care but not any memebrs. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah ancient_indian_ astrology, "raajeevapndit" <raajeevapndit@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Group, > I have got many reaponaes on The Moola Trikona. > Whaile Mr Neelam Gupta has seems to have a scientific bent of mind is > his views are accrptable, Mr Nair is a Typical "Poyhiwala". I do noy > undersatnd why he can not understand the simple logic.> > If he has some Paramapara, I am not against it nor I attacked it. But > his response is not in keeping with freedom of thought and free > expression. He is fonding refuge is utimate obsurisim caled Parampara > and Guru.> > Well if that is the case then then that is the end of discussion as > also the group. If No discussion can take palce, then why are we > haere.> > I should not point out some disturbing elements around. However, I > did not say any thing. The idea I proposed must be countered on some > solid arguments like Neelam has given about stars and one should not > take refuse to Guru and some Paramapara. Only ignorent and weak do it.> > My submissio is that let, Neealm decide about tha fdwvwlopmwnt od > embrioy and the relationship of the moon cycle about around it.> > Mr Nair does not seem to be awre taht the mponth count around chils > birth are Lunar only....> > > That was only a hypothesis, and any one including Mr Nair is welcome. > It si just an idea which may be absolutely useless. > > No one can have Ego hassels about it but this Paramapara and other > useless thing is not acceptable.> Thank You...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Dear All & RajeevPanditji, I have read a book by Osho where he has tried to explain the utterences of Lord Shiva : In the 1st couplet : Chaitanya Atma - Gnyan Bandhana : Knowledge is binding. So if our knowledge is affronted by something tangential or contrary, we start getting unwound. Which can be a slightly shaky experience for most Human beings. In the 3rd couplet : Chitta Mantra, Prayatna Sadhak , Guru Upaya - Your chitta is like the base drums/Guitar on which you compose your music ( symphony, rock or Orchestra ). So if it is offtune, one should make a prayatna to get it in harmony with...existence and thus be a sadahak. Guru ( or his guidance ) is like a key to unlock your problems. -------------------- Anyway, I like the way Neelamji tries to reach the esoteric level inspite of being a trained science person, and thus I daresay a little constrained by Logic, need for empirical evidence etc ....( refer to couplet 1 ). Sunil Nairji is like the Key ( Guru who clears confusion ). Inspite of his knowledge he makes allowances for an intangiable coefficient. Please note his salutations to the Gods/Godesses before he starts his mails. So do not worry and keep the Chit calm & clean. Your post of the embryo was educative and helps in understanding the physical life cycle, Neelamji's explanation was also similar ( in my opinion ) but may be of the astral body. I had a tryst with an old acquaintance, a maths Prof. who has changed religions. We met after a long time and immediately on seeing him, some old friends who were also with me vanished under some pretext. The Prof. told me about the change he had made and went on to logically prove, like a maths equation , in fact many maths equations as to why his choice .....with evidences. So Chitta is like a mantra, in this case to ask for evidences. To me astrology is not absolutely a science, at the most a mystical path, with some proven paths leading a little deeper. Enjoy the readings in the group and keep up with the postings. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 12/9/08, raajeevapndit <raajeevapndit wrote: raajeevapndit <raajeevapndit Re: Moola Trikona Date: Friday, 12 September, 2008, 10:21 AM Dear Group,Every word used is being picked up for contentious arguments and not furthering the cause or understanding the subject,The importance being given to the Status of Individuals in the group and how to address him / her and what words to use and what not is more important the the subject itself.I admit I am providing a stupid simily as pointed out by Mr Bhaskar. I am not providing any Genetic eveidences and that why I thought of Ms Gupta (Sorry I did not not Know she is a Lady as Neelam Gupta can be names of bo the the Genders and it is beyond dispute. I thank Mr Nair for pointing it out but do not appreciate the manner it has been broght to the light0.For Bhaskar Ji, I would appreciate if he provides tha answer rather than carrying an analysis of my unworthy education and understanding level. It does not matter even if it is below Primary level. I think sometimes answers to big riddles are found in things below primary level.I had clearly submitted that what I was presenting was just a thought and not the answer. It could be trash.And about Arm Chair theories, well Astrology is replete with it, we all know. If one does not agree, we need to provide evidence that the statement is wrong rathaer than simply lampooning it. In the Indian traditions, whereevr strong reserch has gone into astrology , those branch are not available to public. Examaples are Bhrigu School of Astrology, All other Naadi Paramapara and Tantric traditions. Kerala Traditions came into light very recently.Have a look at majority of the Books published. Mr Bhaskar himself had called those similar to each other. This openion is of consus amongst all. Then why this hue and cry. I did not use any one but generalised the statement. Even amonst old astrological or classics, it is repetition of the same thing again and again. The Pathbeakers have but a few only. How many have carries out extensive reseach and prosoed new theories.Well, if the idea is to create a club of Mutual Admires and Self Applauders, then it is Ok . Otherwise the discussion or dialougue means differences of opinions. I agree it does not mean slenders.Tolerrance, a little tolerrance in todays conflict ridden and tensionful life would be of Yogic effect. Intolerrance would lead to further tension and further instibility of "Chitta". So tolerate even if my level is below primary. Grant it to others that they are also tolerating some of us.Any one would apprecite if so many posts and writtings would have come on " Moola Trikona", rather than chestisisng me and on pardonable ( if not filmsy) grounds. I have repeatedly appreciated Ms Neelam and Mr Bhardwaj's views as we are trying to find out a logic into a scheme of things presented before us. Venuring on Analysis of a Chart in Vargas like Navamsa has no meaning unless we are able to decipher why a Rasi is Moola trikona of a planet. It remains moola Trikona even in Hora chart or Dreshkona. The Constellation is involved there. So while constellation based theory is applicable as a model for Rasi chart, it looses the rational, one we venture further.Kindly, contribute on the subject as such. Pick up gauntlets of ideas rether than pronouncing " I am Ok you are not OK". I am Pundit and you are below primary leval...???Where are we???????Let us get back to Moola trikona. I am not able to respond to Mr Sriniwas allegations as they are unfounded and imaginary.Thanking You. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Dear Mahta Ji, Namashkaar. The soothing words of your made my day. hanks for reminding me of " Shiva Sutrani " for which I spent many hours and blissfull / mad moments. I am grateful. Mor than that, the soothing and composed words: " AISI VAANI BOLIYE MAN KA AAPAA KHOYA OURAN KO SHEETAL KARE APAHOON SHITAL HOYA " Your refrences to " Shiva Shootraani " took me into some deep recess and made me ponder over it many times. there is another beautifull short peace called " Kaula Upnishada " of Kashmir school. I was remided of its wisdom: Avatu Vaktaram : do protect me for my speech. Panch Vishaya Prapancha : The five objects of the senses constitute the expanded Cosmos. Anityam Nityam : The eternal is the same as the transitory ( the creation involves same process and same five elements, even for the creation of of a child). Agyaanam Gyaanam : Ignorance is the same as knowledge.Knowledge is identical with the absence of knowledge. Adharma eva Dharma : (can not explain this in the forum keeping in view the background). Atmarahasyam Na Vadeta. : do not divulge your soul every where. Antah skata : well I f you are Shaiavate remain so. Loke Vishnava: in Public act like a Vaishnavite. The entire essence is : What is Moolatrikona and why is it so. No body is ready to say anything on this. Every one says quite a lot but tries an answer to that as if a child is insisting for an enquiry why whitw is white. If someone says something and is questioned, then the hell breaks loose. The questiner is being chestisised in the same manner as if a child. But hats of to some of them > Chandra > sreenaadh to mention a few....they are really wonderful. The water in their Pitcher does not come out due to absence of large vacume os we have. Adh jal gagari Chalakat Jai. so the question remains : why is Moola Trikona a Trikona and Moola ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Dear Bhaskarji,Some people believe that Rahu owns the Kumbha rashi (Aquarius) and Ketu owns the Meena rashi (Pisces). Would you think that this may also be correct?Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Mr Bhaskar, That aid memoire for Molla Trikona was interesting and easy to remember. All planets have Moola trikona in odd rasies. Odd rasies signify positivity and Masculinity. All odd Rasies are also cruel in nature (kroora Kshetra). However, all these characterstics do not appear to be the basis of ditermining the Moola Trikona of a planet. There was a typo in the post, Sun also has odd Rasi as Moola Trikona so only Moon and Mercury are left to remain somya. Sir, would you kindly say what is so good about those Rasies to be Moola Trikona. Please do not take offence. Those are really perplexing questions. Thanks for the ans-waer. , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Dear all, > This is not for the teachers, but for the aspirants. Next time you > come across a Birth chart and wish to see what planets are in their > Mool Trikonas, then you need not refer to a table in some book or > paper. How to remember the Mool trikonas ? Except for Sun and Moon > all planets have ownership over two signs. Right ? For instance Jupiter > has ownership over Sagittarius and Pisces both. Sagittarius means No.9 > and Pisces means No.12. No.9 is odd number whereas No. 12 is a even No. > This is your key to remember and will save you from the memorizing or > referring trouble. Rule The ownership's of these planets wherever > falls in odd signs, is also their Mool Trikona ( MT). For instance - in > case of Jupiter it would be Sagittarius.( No. 9 , a odd no.) In case of > Mars it would be Aries ( No. 1 a odd no) In case of Venus Mt would be > Libra ( No. 7 a odd no.) In case of Saturn Mt would be Aquarius ( No.11 > a odd no. ) Exceptions- Sun, Moon and Mercury which I leave for you to > figure out. The meaning of Mt and its application, I would put in some > other mail, depending on time and inclinations, and responses. > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Sir, Please note that I am in the forum for a long time. I value the interactions among the senior members like Nair-ji, Bhaskar-ji, Neelam-Ji, Bhattacharya-ji, Goel-ji, Sreenadh-ji C Hari-ji and others members who have contributed over a very long time. They are the people who have made this forum. To me, you have yet to add value to this forum. And yes, on few occasions, I had a difference of opinion on some points.... but it never came to calling names or praise the members selectively. bye chakraborty raajeevapndit [raajeevapndit]Friday, September 12, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: Moola Trikona Dear Chakraborty Ji,Greetings . I value and respect your sentiments and shall abide by it.That should be the culture. All need to be enecouraged to it rather thanchestisised and punished and harrassed.Exchange of ideas, sharing, cross confidence, faith etc comes out of actand not from negetive posts..Junior senior...100 Golds and rest allmuck...new comers old timers.....I have never heard of thesethings...neverthe less it does not bring down their values...Sunila Nair.. is well known amaongst groups... Hari has a made a placefor himself and so is Sreenaadh..let us all try and reach to thierachivements...by free and frank exchangesven the the longest standing Parliamentarian in the country likeSomanath chatterjee does not tell a mamber that he is new to Lok Sabhaand he should shut up... a anew mwmwber is free to lecture him how hehas to conduct the proceedings..he does not tell him his education isbelow primary....Namste and Good wishes........ , "Chakraborty, PL"<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Respected members,>> I am a silent learner on this forum. But I do write whenever> I feel that I can contribute in anyway.>> May I request all the members the following ...>> 1) Let us remain objective .. to the subject / topic only>> 2) Avoid lengthy replies .. to the extent possible.>> 3) Avoid slanging / name calling etc>> Let us bury the "heated part" of the discussion and move ahead.>> Getting bogged down to person-centric discussion instead> of topic centred discussion does not help us.>> Hope the above will be taken in good spirit....>> Chakraborty>>>>> > raajeevapndit [raajeevapndit]> Friday, September 12, 2008 2:36 PM> > Re: Moola Trikona>>>> Dear Memebers / Moderators,>> Incubation period for exchanging views is not laid down. >> Being new is not a crime ( I mean ragging is not allowed !!!). I> sincerely hope you all do not treat memebrs as seniors and juniors.!!!>> Having only 100 gold members is but your and owners prerogative and I> can not say that.>> I admit I am party to the ruccus but not alone. Others are equally> responsible. My apologies for hurting any one which I never tried at> any stage.>> I am only requesting you to come back to the topic.>> Thanking You.>> .................................................................>> In ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > hare ramakrishna> >> > dear neelam ji and grp .> >> > we hav faced this many times ,some times some memebrs got a> diffrnt> > pic in mind and acting with some pre conditioning ,That is all .We> r not> > bothered .As osho has said this science has survived may b 50000> yrs in> > india ,Then whom we r .if we r there or not wat diffrnce it can> make .> >> > so we r humble learners of this science which is an ocean and we use> > this grp as a nauka to cross and understand it> >> >> >> > so our mission is clear ,it is upto others if they wanted to join> us or> > not .even 100 memebrs are realy interested and active then we cannot> > manage 200 mails per day .so much is the activity will b there .So> we r> > after that gold so some mud is possible while diggin for gold .> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> > ancient_indian_<%40>> astrology , "neelam gupta"> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Again heat and dust in the forum!! That is why probably, our seers> > took to> > > Himalayas for teaching and learning.> > >> > > Use of controversial statements and* **provocative language are*> > becoming> > > the staple these days at AIA, as a result, content and quality are> > going for> > > a toss and we are loosing out on the focussed discussions. Pathi> ji> > has> > > rightly pointed out in his mail.> > >> > > Some new entrants, who have their own modus operandi, do not care> to> > > familiarise themselves with the group before starting the> discussions.> > > Rajeevapandit ji, I regret to say that you've only joined only two> > days> > > back, and your demanding posts dictating tones would not let you> make> > any> > > headway if your business is learning and sharing here. Please> have a> > relook> > > at your posts and it would be better if instead of picking on> members,> > you> > > pick on the subject under discussion. This is my humble request> to you> > if> > > you have intentions of staying in the group and enjoy the> learning and> > > sharing experience with us.> > >> > > In all sincerity, the members here put forward their views and> share> > their> > > learning which might have taken them years to acquire. This is> not to> > be> > > mocked by some passer-bys for some unknown reasons. Such posts> cannot> > be> > > taken seriously which imply that someone just playing around.> > >> > > I may suggest to moderators that discussions on serious and> advanced> > topics> > > may be allowed between the members who have been here for some> time> > and> > > proven their credibility in the group or those who are ready to> reveal> > their> > > identity or credibility otherwise.> > >> > > Learned members are being subject to unnecessary harassment with> > people> > > taking pleasure rides in the group. This is second such instance> > within a> > > couple of days.> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> >>>>>>> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. Theinformation contained in this electronic message and any attachments tothis message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) andmay contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If youare not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distributeor copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroyall copies of this message and any attachments.>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Sobhana ji, Thanks for valuable input/thread. Actually I tried to start a discussion on this subject earlier, as evident from the thread: /message/646 The above thread could be useful and informative - even though that does not completly asnwer all our doubts regarding the same. Actually since we are going into unknown quorters we can only 'guess the logic, the sages might have used' in deriving these concepts such as Exaltation, Mool Trikona etc. A defenite answer is impossible. So let us all put together our brains to find the possible logics that might have been used to arrive at these concepts.Note: I wish to intimate to all that Sobhana ji is back in the group (the previous ban happened to comunication mishapp between some of our knowledgeable group members stands corrected). Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> Dear Group, > We know that planets own certain Rasies. One Rasi each of the soul > and Mind, of the soli and Luni (of Sun and Moon).> > The entire process of creation and dessolution or destruction as some > one may call, emnetes from the Paramaatma who is represented by Sun > and his desire or mental wish, which is representated by moon. For > entire existence these two elements are the basic cause of existence > of thing.> > Then further, for Mahamaya which is the product of the supreme > element and the desire to fuction through the basic design of kaala > (time), other planets are there as tools of Kaala or time keeping. > However, thy all have been made responsible for controlling one rasi > each or one portfoloios each of the Sun and the Moon.> > Then they hace assigned their happiest state in the form of Rasies of > exaltion as per their nature or basic nature / element, perhaps.> > now we have gone far to say what is the theory of the divisions and > reached upto Nadi amsa, etc.> > My basic posers are:> > why a perticular rasi and a perticular degree has been assigned as > Exaltion of planets??> > Then we come to Moola Trikona. There are two simple Questions.> > First, what is understood by Moola ?> > Why is this a Trikona? Why not Rasi ??> > Let us solve this fundamntal riddle then only can we advance to > tother theories and explanation of Vergas etc??> > > I request reponses from U all. May be I am too ignorant to know > this ??> > Thanks> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Nirmal Kumar ji, That was an excellent mail with excellent inputs! Thanks for the same. Please share such unique details you found while approaching astrology through the Lalkitab system.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Shobhana,> I fear that you may not get the answers of these questions from any > quarter.I, myself asked these querries from several astrologers, in > various groups and even the writers fo the astrology books. But I > have not get the satisfactory answer so far. The question seems to be > kiddish in the first instance, but one has to toil hard to give the > answers.> Regarding Rashis and ownerships etc., We know that the science of > astrology is ancient. In my opinion, The people didn't know about the > degrees etc at that time. The people know about Sun and > Moon.Predictions were based upon these two planets only.Degrees > Rashis, Nakshatras might come afterwards during Varahmira Prithuyas > period.> As far as the rationale behind the Exaltation and deblitation degrees > etc, I dont find reference in any book. But till we dont find answer, > we have no other way to treat it as a fundamental rule of astrology.> Regarding Mool Trikona - Every Astrologer recite this word several > times a day. But Don't know the meaning of it. > As you asked what is Moola & Its relationship with Trikona.I try add > a cent. > During my study of various astrological treatises, I never came > accross any article wriiten solely on this important topic. I feel it > is very important. I have few words say in this topic. These are my > own assumptions come out of my studies of the astrology. > I feel every one is aware of Lalkitab. During the study of lalkitab, > I came accross a intresting topic,' "Bund Muthi ke Khaaney" (Houses > of Kendras as caled in Vedic astrology). In lalkitab, It is termed as > the Houses of Treasures given to the native by The Almighty, based > upon his past birth Karmas . These House numbering 1,4,7,10 are > Houses of Kendras, Each house of these kendras represent one trine of > the kundli i.e. The kundli has Four trines or Trikonas. These are > Trikona-1 (House 1,5,9), Trikona-2(House 4,8,12), Trikona 3(7,11,3) > and Trikona 4(10,2,6).> Moola means Aadhar, Jad(root), Base etc. These are Four mool trikons > of the kundli. Means Four jads or Adhars, Bases etc of Kundli. Every > planet has assigned one rashi in these trikonas based upon his > properties. All males rules the first and main trine(Mars,Sun & > Jupiter).These are fiery signs and are related to our Rooh, Atma. > You will find Trine no-2 having 4,8,12 have not any mooltrikona > rashis. This trien is kept by Almighty in his control. These houses > represent Mother's Mamta & Death. No Planet No body have control over > it. It is God's Grace. It is said 'even If the House no 4 is vacant, > It will act like Moon, mother. Always come to fore to help, to rescue > the native in case of distress.and again this trine gives death again > controlled by Almighty.> Trikona 3- It is having to Mooltrikona Rashis i.e. 7 - venus & 11- > Saturn.If First Trikona represent Rooh, Atma this trine represent the > Worldly Treasures.(Duniavi Sukh) Venus & Saturn are the two Planets > who owns these. are major player in these Trines. > Trikona-4 - Two Planets namely Moon & Mercury Own rashis in these to > trikonas. This trine again represent Worldly affairs. > These seven planets have their Mool Adhars, base in the respective > trines. So as the properties as represented by Trines. > Above are my own opinions regarding this topic as far as I gained > from this subject till date.> I wish more additions from the Respected Gurujans & experts> Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> An AstoStudent> http:\\.ueuo.com> > , "Shobhana" > shobhana_ms@ wrote:> >> > Dear Group, > > We know that planets own certain Rasies. One Rasi each of the soul > > and Mind, of the soli and Luni (of Sun and Moon).> > > > The entire process of creation and dessolution or destruction as > some > > one may call, emnetes from the Paramaatma who is represented by Sun > > and his desire or mental wish, which is representated by moon. For > > entire existence these two elements are the basic cause of > existence > > of thing.> > > > Then further, for Mahamaya which is the product of the supreme > > element and the desire to fuction through the basic design of kaala > > (time), other planets are there as tools of Kaala or time keeping. > > However, thy all have been made responsible for controlling one > rasi > > each or one portfoloios each of the Sun and the Moon.> > > > Then they hace assigned their happiest state in the form of Rasies > of > > exaltion as per their nature or basic nature / element, perhaps.> > > > now we have gone far to say what is the theory of the divisions and > > reached upto Nadi amsa, etc.> > > > My basic posers are:> > > > why a perticular rasi and a perticular degree has been assigned > as > > Exaltion of planets??> > > > Then we come to Moola Trikona. There are two simple Questions.> > > > First, what is understood by Moola ?> > > > Why is this a Trikona? Why not Rasi ??> > > > Let us solve this fundamntal riddle then only can we advance to > > tother theories and explanation of Vergas etc??> > > > > > I request reponses from U all. May be I am too ignorant to know > > this ??> > > > Thanks> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Rajiv ji, Sunil ji, Sobhana ji, Bhaskar ji and all, I second Venkatachala pathi ji, when he guids us - //> I think, if there is disagreement among two, let them say they disagree and that is all. Noway they are to be proud of accusing each other, 'in least excuse'. We loose precious time in reading them.// He is absolutly right. So let us please concentrate on astrological discussion alone (and not bloody non astrological contents such as name calling, calling others ignorant, or calling parampara etc - let us give respect to each other and take respect). We are all more interested in the knowledge sharing that happens in the group, rather than the clash of personal egos, whims and facies. Of course at times as reactive individuals we may use strong language. But when we does that let us NOT try to be personal, and let us attack the subject only and NOT the person. It is the subject under discussion that is scrutanized for further clarification and not the people. Please don't take the argumentation personal - and as mature members when someone see such behaviour issue a waring and keep away from continuing on the same (STOP THERE - that should be our mature revolt to such immeture attitudes). All individuals in this group are our friends and we want it to remain so. Love and regards, Sreenadh , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > I am concerned as there is clash in every subject among members and they use strong words between them. > I think, if there is disagreement among two, let them say they disagree and that is all. Noway they are to be proud of > accusing each other, 'in least excuse'. We loose precious time in reading them. > > Regards, with prayer to bring peace among members > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:44:05 PM > Re: Moola Trikona > > > > Hare rama krishna > dear rajiv ji > > i dont hide behind paramapa ,and will never do also ,what i reminded u is ur style of extracting knowldge ,if i am known everything u will not find me in any grp ,but u were pointing out abt ppl r not giving or why silence etc ,healthy dicussions shud evolve with mutual respect ,dont think strology can learn frm soft copies in net and its of no use too > > can u tell me what use of ur article in daily life ,where as what ever i disclose is usefull in many way for commoners they dont worry abt big bang theory . > even i am not much interested in intellectual aerobics ,it is good to please western ppl not indians . > > also mind it i dont need to protect my parampara and u r welcome to attack it .but dont teach fish to swim in water .because i blv in phaladesh only ,so if its fitting in i take it ,other wise that is it. > > so u can attack my parmapara but on intellectual astrological basis ,i may reply or select only some posts to reply it is my free will > all this happened because ur entry was with a big bang and some personal enmity i can see in ur post ,if u dont feel good in forum it is upto u to remain silent or ignore those persons posts,but no personal remarks except to me ,u can call me anything .i dont care but not any memebrs. > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " raajeevapndit " <raajeevapndit@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > I have got many reaponaes on The Moola Trikona. > > Whaile Mr Neelam Gupta has seems to have a scientific bent of mind is > > his views are accrptable, Mr Nair is a Typical " Poyhiwala " . I do noy > > undersatnd why he can not understand the simple logic. > > > > If he has some Paramapara, I am not against it nor I attacked it. But > > his response is not in keeping with freedom of thought and free > > expression. He is fonding refuge is utimate obsurisim caled Parampara > > and Guru. > > > > Well if that is the case then then that is the end of discussion as > > also the group. If No discussion can take palce, then why are we > > haere. > > > > I should not point out some disturbing elements around. However, I > > did not say any thing. The idea I proposed must be countered on some > > solid arguments like Neelam has given about stars and one should not > > take refuse to Guru and some Paramapara. Only ignorent and weak do it. > > > > My submissio is that let, Neealm decide about tha fdwvwlopmwnt od > > embrioy and the relationship of the moon cycle about around it. > > > > Mr Nair does not seem to be awre taht the mponth count around chils > > birth are Lunar only.... > > > > > > That was only a hypothesis, and any one including Mr Nair is welcome. > > It si just an idea which may be absolutely useless. > > > > No one can have Ego hassels about it but this Paramapara and other > > useless thing is not acceptable. > > Thank You... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Rajeeva Pandit ji, That was an excellent mail! I apreciate. I humbly request you to reveal you understanding about such Tatric astrological interpretation of Mool Trikona. I will come up later (after a week or so, since I am now enjoying my 15 days vaccation in Kerala ) with a detailed write-up on 'The possible logic behind Exaltation and Moola Trikona concepts'. Of course I have a detailed and informative picture to present. But give me some time. You present your view and thus enrich our knowledge, and I will definitly (I give my word) present my view on the same in detail after some days (let me finish my onam vaccation and get back to normal) for sure.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "raajeevapndit" <raajeevapndit wrote:Dear Mahta Ji, Namashkaar. The soothing words of your made my day. hanks for reminding me of " Shiva Sutrani" for which I spent many hoursand blissfull / mad moments. I am grateful. Mor than that, the soothingand composed words: "AISI VAANI BOLIYE MAN KA AAPAA KHOYA OURAN KO SHEETAL KARE APAHOON SHITAL HOYA" Your refrences to "Shiva Shootraani" took me into some deep recess andmade me ponder over it many times. there is another beautifull shortpeace called "Kaula Upnishada" of Kashmir school. I was remided of itswisdom: Avatu Vaktaram : do protect me for my speech. Panch Vishaya Prapancha : The five objects of the senses constitute theexpanded Cosmos. Anityam Nityam : The eternal is the same as the transitory ( thecreation involves same process and same five elements, even for thecreation of of a child). Agyaanam Gyaanam : Ignorance is the same as knowledge.Knowledge isidentical with the absence of knowledge. Adharma eva Dharma : (can not explain this in the forum keeping in viewthe background). Atmarahasyam Na Vadeta. : do not divulge your soul every where. Antah skata : well I f you are Shaiavate remain so. Loke Vishnava: in Public act like a Vaishnavite. The entire essence is : What is Moolatrikona and why is it so. No bodyis ready to say anything on this. Every one says quite a lot but triesan answer to that as if a child is insisting for an enquiry why whitw iswhite. If someone says something and is questioned, then the hell breaksloose. The questiner is being chestisised in the same manner as if achild. But hats of to some of them > Chandra > sreenaadh to mention afew....they are really wonderful. The water in their Pitcher does notcome out due to absence of large vacume os we have. Adh jal gagariChalakat Jai. so the question remains : why is Moola Trikona a Trikona and Moola ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, That was a nice mail. There is already a file present in the files section of the group, which provides a philosophical interpretation to the concept of Moola Trikona based on Parampara. The link is: Articles%20and%20E-books/Sign_Base_Jyotisha_Sidhanta_Sara.pdf I request Rajeeva Pandit ji also to refer this article.Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji, and all, It is ok and at times when discussions heats up it (name calling etc) happens. It is upto the matured members to handle such situation. It is all the knowledgeable members like Venkatachala pathi ji, Bhaskar ji, Sobhana ji, Souvik ji, Pandit ji, Pt. Arjun ji, Vinita ji, Renu ji, Durga ji, Leela Madhav ji, Nirmal chandra Bharadwaj ji and many more whose contribution should be valued. The moderators such as Srinivas ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji, Me, Bhagavati ji etc are just the powerful and knowledgeable backgroup force and should keep their coool. It always usual for - * Well knowledgeable confident members to use strong words and usually be contraversial (e.g. Chandra Hari ji) * It is always a chance that the well settled and respected members find it unorthadox, and against the accepted tradition. * It is always usual to treat new comers to the group as new bees to astrology (Which is defenitly wrong). Let us understand this possible pit falls in our part in judging knowledgeable individuals like Sobhana ji and Rajeev ji, and let us try to exract more knowledge and info from them and also provide them with the same so as to make the group more interactive and informative. Let astrological knowledge sharing prevail, and egos vanish. We are all just simple and ignorant learners with excellent and genuine curiosity (which is better than 1000 books memorized!). So be realaxed and be friendly and be happy. Happy knowledge sharing. Love and regards,Sreenadh" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > Please note that I am in the forum for a long time.> > I value the interactions among the senior members like> Nair-ji, Bhaskar-ji, Neelam-Ji, Bhattacharya-ji, Goel-ji, Sreenadh-ji> C Hari-ji and others members who have contributed over a> very long time. They are the people who have made this forum.> > To me, you have yet to add value to this forum. > > And yes, on few occasions, I had a difference of opinion> on some points.... but it never came to calling names or> praise the members selectively.> > bye > > chakraborty > > > > > raajeevapndit [raajeevapndit]> Friday, September 12, 2008 9:45 PM> > Re: Moola Trikona> > > > > Dear Chakraborty Ji,> > Greetings . I value and respect your sentiments and shall abide by it.> That should be the culture. All need to be enecouraged to it rather than> chestisised and punished and harrassed.> > Exchange of ideas, sharing, cross confidence, faith etc comes out of act> and not from negetive posts..Junior senior...100 Golds and rest all> muck...new comers old timers.....I have never heard of these> things...neverthe less it does not bring down their values...> > Sunila Nair.. is well known amaongst groups... Hari has a made a place> for himself and so is Sreenaadh..let us all try and reach to thier> achivements...by free and frank exchanges> > ven the the longest standing Parliamentarian in the country like> Somanath chatterjee does not tell a mamber that he is new to Lok Sabha> and he should shut up... a anew mwmwber is free to lecture him how he> has to conduct the proceedings..he does not tell him his education is> below primary....> > Namste and Good wishes........> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Respected members,> >> > I am a silent learner on this forum. But I do write whenever> > I feel that I can contribute in anyway.> >> > May I request all the members the following ...> >> > 1) Let us remain objective .. to the subject / topic only> >> > 2) Avoid lengthy replies .. to the extent possible.> >> > 3) Avoid slanging / name calling etc> >> > Let us bury the "heated part" of the discussion and move ahead.> >> > Getting bogged down to person-centric discussion instead> > of topic centred discussion does not help us.> >> > Hope the above will be taken in good spirit....> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> >> > > > raajeevapndit [raajeevapndit@]> > Friday, September 12, 2008 2:36 PM> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > Re: Moola Trikona> >> >> >> > Dear Memebers / Moderators,> >> > Incubation period for exchanging views is not laid down. > >> > Being new is not a crime ( I mean ragging is not allowed !!!). I> > sincerely hope you all do not treat memebrs as seniors and juniors.!!!> >> > Having only 100 gold members is but your and owners prerogative and I> > can not say that.> >> > I admit I am party to the ruccus but not alone. Others are equally> > responsible. My apologies for hurting any one which I never tried at> > any stage.> >> > I am only requesting you to come back to the topic.> >> > Thanking You.> >> > .................................................................> >> > In ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "sunil> nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > hare ramakrishna> > >> > > dear neelam ji and grp .> > >> > > we hav faced this many times ,some times some memebrs got a> > diffrnt> > > pic in mind and acting with some pre conditioning ,That is all .We> > r not> > > bothered .As osho has said this science has survived may b 50000> > yrs in> > > india ,Then whom we r .if we r there or not wat diffrnce it can> > make .> > >> > > so we r humble learners of this science which is an ocean and we use> > > this grp as a nauka to cross and understand it> > >> > >> > >> > > so our mission is clear ,it is upto others if they wanted to join> > us or> > > not .even 100 memebrs are realy interested and active then we cannot> > > manage 200 mails per day .so much is the activity will b there .So> > we r> > > after that gold so some mud is possible while diggin for gold .> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "neelam> gupta"> > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Again heat and dust in the forum!! That is why probably, our seers> > > took to> > > > Himalayas for teaching and learning.> > > >> > > > Use of controversial statements and* **provocative language are*> > > becoming> > > > the staple these days at AIA, as a result, content and quality are> > > going for> > > > a toss and we are loosing out on the focussed discussions. Pathi> > ji> > > has> > > > rightly pointed out in his mail.> > > >> > > > Some new entrants, who have their own modus operandi, do not care> > to> > > > familiarise themselves with the group before starting the> > discussions.> > > > Rajeevapandit ji, I regret to say that you've only joined only two> > > days> > > > back, and your demanding posts dictating tones would not let you> > make> > > any> > > > headway if your business is learning and sharing here. Please> > have a> > > relook> > > > at your posts and it would be better if instead of picking on> > members,> > > you> > > > pick on the subject under discussion. This is my humble request> > to you> > > if> > > > you have intentions of staying in the group and enjoy the> > learning and> > > > sharing experience with us.> > > >> > > > In all sincerity, the members here put forward their views and> > share> > > their> > > > learning which might have taken them years to acquire. This is> > not to> > > be> > > > mocked by some passer-bys for some unknown reasons. Such posts> > cannot> > > be> > > > taken seriously which imply that someone just playing around.> > > >> > > > I may suggest to moderators that discussions on serious and> > advanced> > > topics> > > > may be allowed between the members who have been here for some> > time> > > and> > > > proven their credibility in the group or those who are ready to> > reveal> > > their> > > > identity or credibility otherwise.> > > >> > > > Learned members are being subject to unnecessary harassment with> > > people> > > > taking pleasure rides in the group. This is second such instance> > > within a> > > > couple of days.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The> information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to> this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and> may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you> are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute> or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy> all copies of this message and any attachments.> >> > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, If we refer to all astro classics we can find quotes that attributes almost all the 12 signs to Rahu or Ketu as their exaltation, debilitation or own house. As per Arsha school, Rahu and Ketu CANNOT have ownership, drishti etc since they are shadow planets; Agu (without Rays). But the Parasara school seems to support the ownership, aspect etc for Rahu-Ketu; but I am not sure whether these concept is part of the original Parasara school or a later day interpolation. Any way this (Rahu-Ketu exaltation, ownership, aspect issue) is a subject that could be the material for a detailed write-up with proper references. I request someone like Neelam ji to undertake this task and provide us with a valuable article on the same. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Some people believe that Rahu owns the Kumbha rashi (Aquarius) and Ketu owns the Meena rashi (Pisces). Would you think that this may also be correct? > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > > Friday, September 12, 2008 11:15:45 AM > Re: Moola Trikona > > > Dear all, > This is not for the teachers, but for the aspirants. Next time you > come across a Birth chart and wish to see what planets are in their > Mool Trikonas, then you need not refer to a table in some book or > paper. How to remember the Mool trikonas ? Except for Sun and Moon > all planets have ownership over two signs. Right ? For instance Jupiter > has ownership over Sagittarius and Pisces both. Sagittarius means No.9 > and Pisces means No.12. No.9 is odd number whereas No. 12 is a even No. > This is your key to remember and will save you from the memorizing or > referring trouble. Rule The ownership's of these planets wherever > falls in odd signs, is also their Mool Trikona ( MT). For instance - in > case of Jupiter it would be Sagittarius. ( No. 9 , a odd no.) In case of > Mars it would be Aries ( No. 1 a odd no) In case of Venus Mt would be > Libra ( No. 7 a odd no.) In case of Saturn Mt would be Aquarius ( No.11 > a odd no. ) Exceptions- Sun, Moon and Mercury which I leave for you to > figure out. The meaning of Mt and its application, I would put in some > other mail, depending on time and inclinations, and responses. > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dear Sreenaadh Sir, Firstly, I thank you for pardoning me for inability of resisting to answer at at times. Unfortunately, it turned unpleasant. I wish you and your family a Great Holiday In Kerala. I have beem there many times and it is out of the world. Kindly accept my good wishes and Greetings on Onam. I am trying to put up my ideas together on the process of assigning Moola trikona. It is based on many factors of enternal triad, including representaion for Bramaha vishnu and Mahesh, Satwa Raj and Tama trigunamikta and control over basic elements. I was suprprised to realise how closely it is woven with the thory of time and space. Thanking you and wishing you a great time in Kerala, The land of Gods. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Rajeeva Pandit ji, > That was an excellent mail! I apreciate. I humbly request you to > reveal you understanding about such Tatric astrological interpretation > of Mool Trikona. I will come up later (after a week or so, since I am > now enjoying my 15 days vaccation in Kerala [] ) with a detailed > write-up on 'The possible logic behind Exaltation and Moola Trikona > concepts'. Of course I have a detailed and informative picture to > present. [] But give me some time. [] > You present your view and thus enrich our knowledge, and I will > definitly (I give my word) present my view on the same in detail after > some days (let me finish my onam vaccation and get back to normal) for > sure. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > > , " raajeevapndit " > <raajeevapndit@> wrote: > Dear Mahta Ji, > > Namashkaar. > > The soothing words of your made my day. > > hanks for reminding me of " Shiva Sutrani " for which I spent many hours > and blissfull / mad moments. I am grateful. Mor than that, the soothing > and composed words: > > " AISI VAANI BOLIYE MAN KA AAPAA KHOYA > > OURAN KO SHEETAL KARE APAHOON SHITAL HOYA " > > Your refrences to " Shiva Shootraani " took me into some deep recess and > made me ponder over it many times. there is another beautifull short > peace called " Kaula Upnishada " of Kashmir school. I was remided of its > wisdom: > > Avatu Vaktaram : do protect me for my speech. > > Panch Vishaya Prapancha : The five objects of the senses constitute the > expanded Cosmos. > > Anityam Nityam : The eternal is the same as the transitory ( the > creation involves same process and same five elements, even for the > creation of of a child). > > Agyaanam Gyaanam : Ignorance is the same as knowledge.Knowledge is > identical with the absence of knowledge. > > Adharma eva Dharma : (can not explain this in the forum keeping in view > the background). > > Atmarahasyam Na Vadeta. : do not divulge your soul every where. > > Antah skata : well I f you are Shaiavate remain so. > > > > Loke Vishnava: in Public act like a Vaishnavite. > > The entire essence is : What is Moolatrikona and why is it so. No body > is ready to say anything on this. Every one says quite a lot but tries > an answer to that as if a child is insisting for an enquiry why whitw is > white. If someone says something and is questioned, then the hell breaks > loose. The questiner is being chestisised in the same manner as if a > child. > > > > But hats of to some of them > Chandra > sreenaadh to mention a > few....they are really wonderful. The water in their Pitcher does not > come out due to absence of large vacume os we have. Adh jal gagari > Chalakat Jai. > > so the question remains : why is Moola Trikona a Trikona and Moola ?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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