Laal Kitaab : Initail Reponse

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Dear Group and Bhaskar Ji,

Various issues raised in the group regarding Laal Kitaab system is being explained through the query raised by Bhaskar Ji.

Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the ninth house for Leo Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the chart are missing. A Planet gives its results in conjuction and modications of the entire chart and not by itself.

Never the less, I shall give as much hint to you as possible.

Lal Kitaab has simplified astrology to the extent that, it has done away with Changing Rasies in Lagna and Houses. Lagna in waht ever form it is always akin ti Aries. Every man has the chart of Kaalpurusha as a framework in which planets keep changing from individual to individual. It essentially means that Lala Kitaab fundamentally works on Karakatwa and permanent Karakatwa as given in the Parashari System.

The opening lines of Lal Kitab say:

RAASI CHHOR NAKSHTRA BHOOLA, NA HI KOI PANCHAANG LIYAMESH RASHI KHUD LAGNA GINA KAR BAARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYAA

( I have not relied upon Rasi and Nakshtra and the tify calculations of Panchang (menas divisions etc). For all I shll count Aries as Lagna and then the 12 house as per Kala purusha rasies (Pucca Ghar) ).

Lal Kitaab works on twin premises of Owner of the house and Karaka of the house and then deliniates results. For example Mars owns the first house and Sun is the Karaka (This Parashari). The results related to the first house will be delianated based on :

(a) Sun and Mars.

(b) Planets in the First house and his relations to Sun and Mars.

© Planets in the eight house which are termed as the "Eyes" of the planets located in the First. Then planets in the eleventh which are termed as the "Legs" of the planets located in 11th house. (Now see this, this is the Rasi Dristi of Aries as Applied vide Jaimini dictum "Abhipasyanti Rikshani // Parswameva Cha"). The eight Rasi Scorpio and the eleveth rasi Aquarious, both aspect Aries. Who says it is not Jaimini???

(d) If the planets in the first and eighth are inimical to each other, the man will not be able to see properly (it would lead to error of Judgement, indiscrimination and rashness- Now this is simply a Parashari astrology.....who says it is not Parashari????

Now coming to the Venus in the Ninth house.

Venus in 1st, 5th and the 9th houses is termed as "Mangal Vadha" or as good as a bad Mars unles it has mitigating factors.

Now coming to ninth house. Ninth house is the house of Jupiter and Karaka for this house is also Jupiter. Its agni tatva rasi / house and Venus here is the most uncomfortable leading to differences with the spouse, loss of younger siblings, non competibility in marital affairs, long and overseas journeys and quite a lot of richness.

Lal Kitab takes into consideration not only Rasi Dristi of Jaimini but Argala also. The nature of Venus in the ninth house depends on planets in 6th and 12th (Rasi Dristi of Jaimin). The planets in the seventh house will be helpfull for Venus in 9th (Argala).

The planets in the ninth finds opposition from the planets in the 2nd and 4th who take away or receive the money generated by planets in the 9th house. If there are no planets there, the richness generated by planets in the 9th may remain unutilsed.

Gentlemen, this is simple Parashari. Second and 4th house are 6th and 8th from the 9th. Planets located there will tak away gains of the 9th house but since they are in the seond anf fourth from lagna the individual will enjoy those gains immensely.

Ninth house is termed as the center of the horoscope by Lal Kitaab , "Aagaaze Kismat". The individual starts his carrier around 24 yeras of age which is the natural age of venus (8 X 3 =24, this is an astronomical phenomenon and accepted in Parashari too).

9th house is analysied in various manner. For example, Venus having occupied 9th house means it will spoil the Karkatwa of Jupiter. Now, if Jupiter itself is in bad position, it will indicate "Pitru Shraap". It will also indicate difficulties and trouble to father at around 8 or 16 years of the age of individual (again natural ages) or when Jupiter Dasa operates.

Venus in 9th guarantees to make a man very very rich at least once. The man rises high from humble and ordinary surrounding. Those are the natural qualites of Venus. If it has aspect of ketum Moon or Mars then this Venus now will be excellent.

So I focussed on a very few fundamental aspects of Lal Kitaab and also demonstrated how it is but basic application of Parashari and jaimini combined. It is a very good attempt at simplification of the net-mesh that Parashari and Jaimini turn into at various stages. It is an attempt to brig astrology to the common man.

Roop Chand Joshi Ji might have had certian basic copies of Lal Kitab but he is not its originator. Many copoies of it was obtained from various sources and published by various publishers. The first copy I saw and bought bears the name of Swami Keshvanand which he is ststed to have obtained during "Himalaya Bhraman".....or whatever.

It has many facets, features, and tools which in essence are Parashari, Jaimini and Tantrik. All put together. It has gone beyong and instead of being only astronomical has alalgamated Palmistry into it. The Palmistry is applied to assertain which are the main areas of the influence of a planet. In Parashari we try to ascertain the state and infuences of of the planets from Vergas. For examle, we say, though the planet in Rasi chart is exalted in the the tenth house, it in fall in the Dasamansa and locates in the 8th house. The indicidual may witnes loss of job during the period of that planet. Lal Kitab says, look at the hand of a man and if the planet is in eighth, its maximum influence is the eight. After all many Nadi system also do that. No one calls it, Non Parashari, non jaimini or Non -Arsha.

Lal kitaab can not be non Arsha merely because it is written in Urdu.

I still maintain what I said and am ready to clarify any aspect of Laal Kitaab as per and based on my understanding of Parashari and Jaimini, of which I have but very little knowledge, even after my years of devotion to it. However, many a times it pains me to see how some astrologers have even named some of the Dasas and systems, methods of divisions, and tools after their or their family names. I agree with Sreenaadh Ji on that count.

With good wishes.

Om Namo Narayana.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sobhanaji,

// Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the ninth house for Leo > Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the > chart are missing.//

Dear Sobhanaji, by the time you have replied my query, I had already given the whole lot of placements of the other planets in my chart, in a ubsequent post made after few minutes of my previous query. I know this is a fundamental query which I placed before you. Please give me the reply to my query about the free part of Venus in 9th, and about drinking at night with refrence to Saturn in 6th and Sun and mercury in 11th plus the other points I have mentioned.

What you have discussed is very elementary and kindergarten knowledge for me, because I am associated with the Lal kitab for more than a decade, but I always look for undertsanding from other approaches from learned people like you, hence still waiting for knowledge from you on my queries. But in case if you find it difficult or a bother, then please do not bother to reply.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > Dear Group and Bhaskar Ji,> > Various issues raised in the group regarding Laal Kitaab system is being> explained through the query raised by Bhaskar Ji.> > Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the ninth house for Leo> Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the> chart are missing. A Planet gives its results in conjuction and> modications of the entire chart and not by itself.> > Never the less, I shall give as much hint to you as possible.> > Lal Kitaab has simplified astrology to the extent that, it has done away> with Changing Rasies in Lagna and Houses. Lagna in waht ever form it is> always akin ti Aries. Every man has the chart of Kaalpurusha as a> framework in which planets keep changing from individual to individual.> It essentially means that Lala Kitaab fundamentally works on Karakatwa> and permanent Karakatwa as given in the Parashari System.> > The opening lines of Lal Kitab say:> > RAASI CHHOR NAKSHTRA BHOOLA, NA HI KOI PANCHAANG LIYA> MESH RASHI KHUD LAGNA GINA KAR BAARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYAA> > ( I have not relied upon Rasi and Nakshtra and the tify calculations of> Panchang (menas divisions etc). For all I shll count Aries as Lagna and> then the 12 house as per Kala purusha rasies (Pucca Ghar) ).> > Lal Kitaab works on twin premises of Owner of the house and Karaka of> the house and then deliniates results. For example Mars owns the first> house and Sun is the Karaka (This Parashari). The results related to the> first house will be delianated based on :> > (a) Sun and Mars.> > (b) Planets in the First house and his relations to Sun and Mars.> > © Planets in the eight house which are termed as the "Eyes" of the> planets located in the First. Then planets in the eleventh which are> termed as the "Legs" of the planets located in 11th house. (Now see> this, this is the Rasi Dristi of Aries as Applied vide Jaimini dictum> "Abhipasyanti Rikshani // Parswameva Cha"). The eight Rasi Scorpio and> the eleveth rasi Aquarious, both aspect Aries. Who says it is not> Jaimini??? > > (d) If the planets in the first and eighth are inimical to each other,> the man will not be able to see properly (it would lead to error of> Judgement, indiscrimination and rashness- Now this is simply a Parashari> astrology.....who says it is not Parashari????> > Now coming to the Venus in the Ninth house.> > Venus in 1st, 5th and the 9th houses is termed as "Mangal Vadha" or as> good as a bad Mars unles it has mitigating factors.> > Now coming to ninth house. Ninth house is the house of Jupiter and> Karaka for this house is also Jupiter. Its agni tatva rasi / house and> Venus here is the most uncomfortable leading to differences with the> spouse, loss of younger siblings, non competibility in marital affairs,> long and overseas journeys and quite a lot of richness.> > Lal Kitab takes into consideration not only Rasi Dristi of Jaimini but> Argala also. The nature of Venus in the ninth house depends on planets> in 6th and 12th (Rasi Dristi of Jaimin). The planets in the seventh> house will be helpfull for Venus in 9th (Argala).> > The planets in the ninth finds opposition from the planets in the 2nd> and 4th who take away or receive the money generated by planets in the> 9th house. If there are no planets there, the richness generated by> planets in the 9th may remain unutilsed.> > Gentlemen, this is simple Parashari. Second and 4th house are 6th and> 8th from the 9th. Planets located there will tak away gains of the 9th> house but since they are in the seond anf fourth from lagna the> individual will enjoy those gains immensely.> > Ninth house is termed as the center of the horoscope by Lal Kitaab ,> "Aagaaze Kismat". The individual starts his carrier around 24 yeras of> age which is the natural age of venus (8 X 3 =24, this is an> astronomical phenomenon and accepted in Parashari too).> > 9th house is analysied in various manner. For example, Venus having> occupied 9th house means it will spoil the Karkatwa of Jupiter. Now, if> Jupiter itself is in bad position, it will indicate "Pitru Shraap". It> will also indicate difficulties and trouble to father at around 8 or 16> years of the age of individual (again natural ages) or when Jupiter Dasa> operates.> > Venus in 9th guarantees to make a man very very rich at least once. The> man rises high from humble and ordinary surrounding. Those are the> natural qualites of Venus. If it has aspect of ketum Moon or Mars then> this Venus now will be excellent.> > So I focussed on a very few fundamental aspects of Lal Kitaab and also> demonstrated how it is but basic application of Parashari and jaimini> combined. It is a very good attempt at simplification of the net-mesh> that Parashari and Jaimini turn into at various stages. It is an attempt> to brig astrology to the common man.> > Roop Chand Joshi Ji might have had certian basic copies of Lal Kitab but> he is not its originator. Many copoies of it was obtained from various> sources and published by various publishers. The first copy I saw and> bought bears the name of Swami Keshvanand which he is ststed to have> obtained during "Himalaya Bhraman".....or whatever.> > It has many facets, features, and tools which in essence are Parashari,> Jaimini and Tantrik. All put together. It has gone beyong and instead of> being only astronomical has alalgamated Palmistry into it. The Palmistry> is applied to assertain which are the main areas of the influence of a> planet. In Parashari we try to ascertain the state and infuences of of> the planets from Vergas. For examle, we say, though the planet in Rasi> chart is exalted in the the tenth house, it in fall in the Dasamansa> and locates in the 8th house. The indicidual may witnes loss of job> during the period of that planet. Lal Kitab says, look at the hand of a> man and if the planet is in eighth, its maximum influence is the eight.> After all many Nadi system also do that. No one calls it, Non Parashari,> non jaimini or Non -Arsha.> > Lal kitaab can not be non Arsha merely because it is written in Urdu.> > I still maintain what I said and am ready to clarify any aspect of Laal> Kitaab as per and based on my understanding of Parashari and Jaimini, of> which I have but very little knowledge, even after my years of devotion> to it. However, many a times it pains me to see how some astrologers> have even named some of the Dasas and systems, methods of divisions, and> tools after their or their family names. I agree with Sreenaadh Ji on> that count.> > With good wishes.> > Om Namo Narayana.>

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Dear Sobhana ji, Thanks for the excellent, informative and thought provoking mail.//I still maintain what I said and am ready to clarify any aspect of Laal Kitaab as per and based on my understanding of Parashari and Jaimini, of which I have but very little knowledge, even after my years of devotion to it. However, many a times it pains me to see how some astrologers have even named some of the Dasas and systems, methods of divisions, and tools after their or their family names. I agree with Sreenaadh Ji on that count.// Yes, it is such informative and sincere exchanges that enriches both our understandings. Please continue shedding light on various aspects of various systems of astrology and their inter connections. Now coming another aspect of the mail.Sobhana ji said: //> Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the ninth house for Leo> Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the> chart are missing. //Bhaskar ji said: //What you have discussed is very elementary and kindergarten knowledge for me// Can't we avoid these kind of wording and ego clashes? Let us accpet and appreciate knowledge - whether it be shared be of one Bhaskar ji, Sobhana ji, Sunil ji, Neelam ji, Nirmal ji or me. I believe our heart is big enough, and the respect and regard for knowledge and knowledge sharing broad enough - so that we all can co-exist and be loving friends with a special regard to each other. I request you are to ponder on these words, and re-consider the stands.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > Dear Group and Bhaskar Ji,> > Various issues raised in the group regarding Laal Kitaab system is being> explained through the query raised by Bhaskar Ji.> > Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the ninth house for Leo> Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the> chart are missing. A Planet gives its results in conjuction and> modications of the entire chart and not by itself.> > Never the less, I shall give as much hint to you as possible.> > Lal Kitaab has simplified astrology to the extent that, it has done away> with Changing Rasies in Lagna and Houses. Lagna in waht ever form it is> always akin ti Aries. Every man has the chart of Kaalpurusha as a> framework in which planets keep changing from individual to individual.> It essentially means that Lala Kitaab fundamentally works on Karakatwa> and permanent Karakatwa as given in the Parashari System.> > The opening lines of Lal Kitab say:> > RAASI CHHOR NAKSHTRA BHOOLA, NA HI KOI PANCHAANG LIYA> MESH RASHI KHUD LAGNA GINA KAR BAARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYAA> > ( I have not relied upon Rasi and Nakshtra and the tify calculations of> Panchang (menas divisions etc). For all I shll count Aries as Lagna and> then the 12 house as per Kala purusha rasies (Pucca Ghar) ).> > Lal Kitaab works on twin premises of Owner of the house and Karaka of> the house and then deliniates results. For example Mars owns the first> house and Sun is the Karaka (This Parashari). The results related to the> first house will be delianated based on :> > (a) Sun and Mars.> > (b) Planets in the First house and his relations to Sun and Mars.> > © Planets in the eight house which are termed as the "Eyes" of the> planets located in the First. Then planets in the eleventh which are> termed as the "Legs" of the planets located in 11th house. (Now see> this, this is the Rasi Dristi of Aries as Applied vide Jaimini dictum> "Abhipasyanti Rikshani // Parswameva Cha"). The eight Rasi Scorpio and> the eleveth rasi Aquarious, both aspect Aries. Who says it is not> Jaimini??? > > (d) If the planets in the first and eighth are inimical to each other,> the man will not be able to see properly (it would lead to error of> Judgement, indiscrimination and rashness- Now this is simply a Parashari> astrology.....who says it is not Parashari????> > Now coming to the Venus in the Ninth house.> > Venus in 1st, 5th and the 9th houses is termed as "Mangal Vadha" or as> good as a bad Mars unles it has mitigating factors.> > Now coming to ninth house. Ninth house is the house of Jupiter and> Karaka for this house is also Jupiter. Its agni tatva rasi / house and> Venus here is the most uncomfortable leading to differences with the> spouse, loss of younger siblings, non competibility in marital affairs,> long and overseas journeys and quite a lot of richness.> > Lal Kitab takes into consideration not only Rasi Dristi of Jaimini but> Argala also. The nature of Venus in the ninth house depends on planets> in 6th and 12th (Rasi Dristi of Jaimin). The planets in the seventh> house will be helpfull for Venus in 9th (Argala).> > The planets in the ninth finds opposition from the planets in the 2nd> and 4th who take away or receive the money generated by planets in the> 9th house. If there are no planets there, the richness generated by> planets in the 9th may remain unutilsed.> > Gentlemen, this is simple Parashari. Second and 4th house are 6th and> 8th from the 9th. Planets located there will tak away gains of the 9th> house but since they are in the seond anf fourth from lagna the> individual will enjoy those gains immensely.> > Ninth house is termed as the center of the horoscope by Lal Kitaab ,> "Aagaaze Kismat". The individual starts his carrier around 24 yeras of> age which is the natural age of venus (8 X 3 =24, this is an> astronomical phenomenon and accepted in Parashari too).> > 9th house is analysied in various manner. For example, Venus having> occupied 9th house means it will spoil the Karkatwa of Jupiter. Now, if> Jupiter itself is in bad position, it will indicate "Pitru Shraap". It> will also indicate difficulties and trouble to father at around 8 or 16> years of the age of individual (again natural ages) or when Jupiter Dasa> operates.> > Venus in 9th guarantees to make a man very very rich at least once. The> man rises high from humble and ordinary surrounding. Those are the> natural qualites of Venus. If it has aspect of ketum Moon or Mars then> this Venus now will be excellent.> > So I focussed on a very few fundamental aspects of Lal Kitaab and also> demonstrated how it is but basic application of Parashari and jaimini> combined. It is a very good attempt at simplification of the net-mesh> that Parashari and Jaimini turn into at various stages. It is an attempt> to brig astrology to the common man.> > Roop Chand Joshi Ji might have had certian basic copies of Lal Kitab but> he is not its originator. Many copoies of it was obtained from various> sources and published by various publishers. The first copy I saw and> bought bears the name of Swami Keshvanand which he is ststed to have> obtained during "Himalaya Bhraman".....or whatever.> > It has many facets, features, and tools which in essence are Parashari,> Jaimini and Tantrik. All put together. It has gone beyong and instead of> being only astronomical has alalgamated Palmistry into it. The Palmistry> is applied to assertain which are the main areas of the influence of a> planet. In Parashari we try to ascertain the state and infuences of of> the planets from Vergas. For examle, we say, though the planet in Rasi> chart is exalted in the the tenth house, it in fall in the Dasamansa> and locates in the 8th house. The indicidual may witnes loss of job> during the period of that planet. Lal Kitab says, look at the hand of a> man and if the planet is in eighth, its maximum influence is the eight.> After all many Nadi system also do that. No one calls it, Non Parashari,> non jaimini or Non -Arsha.> > Lal kitaab can not be non Arsha merely because it is written in Urdu.> > I still maintain what I said and am ready to clarify any aspect of Laal> Kitaab as per and based on my understanding of Parashari and Jaimini, of> which I have but very little knowledge, even after my years of devotion> to it. However, many a times it pains me to see how some astrologers> have even named some of the Dasas and systems, methods of divisions, and> tools after their or their family names. I agree with Sreenaadh Ji on> that count.> > With good wishes.> > Om Namo Narayana.>

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Dear Sobhana ji, Chandu2Chill ji, I have a major request : "Please stick to and post mails as response to the original thread, instead of posting responses as new threads. It causes geat difficulty for group members when they search for responses related to a perticular thread. I hope you and other members will keep this in mind in future mails". (Please consider this as the request made by a moderator)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Sobhana ji,> Thanks for the excellent, informative and thought provoking mail.> //I still maintain what I said and am ready to clarify any aspect of> Laal Kitaab as per and based on my understanding of Parashari and> Jaimini, of which I have but very little knowledge, even after my years> of devotion to it. However, many a times it pains me to see how some> astrologers have even named some of the Dasas and systems, methods of> divisions, and tools after their or their family names. I agree with> Sreenaadh Ji on that count.//> Yes, it is such informative and sincere exchanges that enriches both> our understandings. Please continue shedding light on various aspects of> various systems of astrology and their inter connections.> Now coming another aspect of the mail.> Sobhana ji said: //> Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the> ninth house for Leo> > Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the> > chart are missing. //> > Bhaskar ji said: //What you have discussed is very elementary and> kindergarten knowledge for me//> Can't we avoid these kind of wording and ego clashes? Let us accpet> and appreciate knowledge - whether it be shared be of one Bhaskar ji,> Sobhana ji, Sunil ji, Neelam ji, Nirmal ji or me. I believe our heart is> big enough, and the respect and regard for knowledge and knowledge> sharing broad enough - so that we all can co-exist and be loving friends> with a special regard to each other. I request you are to ponder on> these words, and re-consider the stands.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Shobhana"> shobhana_ms@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Group and Bhaskar Ji,> >> > Various issues raised in the group regarding Laal Kitaab system is> being> > explained through the query raised by Bhaskar Ji.> >> > Bhaskar Ji, your query regarding Venus being in the ninth house for> Leo> > Lagna is very, theoretical at fundamental level, as other parts of the> > chart are missing. A Planet gives its results in conjuction and> > modications of the entire chart and not by itself.> >> > Never the less, I shall give as much hint to you as possible.> >> > Lal Kitaab has simplified astrology to the extent that, it has done> away> > with Changing Rasies in Lagna and Houses. Lagna in waht ever form it> is> > always akin ti Aries. Every man has the chart of Kaalpurusha as a> > framework in which planets keep changing from individual to> individual.> > It essentially means that Lala Kitaab fundamentally works on Karakatwa> > and permanent Karakatwa as given in the Parashari System.> >> > The opening lines of Lal Kitab say:> >> > RAASI CHHOR NAKSHTRA BHOOLA, NA HI KOI PANCHAANG LIYA> > MESH RASHI KHUD LAGNA GINA KAR BAARAH PAKKE GHAR MAAN LIYAA> >> > ( I have not relied upon Rasi and Nakshtra and the tify calculations> of> > Panchang (menas divisions etc). For all I shll count Aries as Lagna> and> > then the 12 house as per Kala purusha rasies (Pucca Ghar) ).> >> > Lal Kitaab works on twin premises of Owner of the house and Karaka of> > the house and then deliniates results. For example Mars owns the first> > house and Sun is the Karaka (This Parashari). The results related to> the> > first house will be delianated based on :> >> > (a) Sun and Mars.> >> > (b) Planets in the First house and his relations to Sun and Mars.> >> > © Planets in the eight house which are termed as the "Eyes" of the> > planets located in the First. Then planets in the eleventh which are> > termed as the "Legs" of the planets located in 11th house. (Now see> > this, this is the Rasi Dristi of Aries as Applied vide Jaimini dictum> > "Abhipasyanti Rikshani // Parswameva Cha"). The eight Rasi Scorpio and> > the eleveth rasi Aquarious, both aspect Aries. Who says it is not> > Jaimini??? > >> > (d) If the planets in the first and eighth are inimical to each other,> > the man will not be able to see properly (it would lead to error of> > Judgement, indiscrimination and rashness- Now this is simply a> Parashari> > astrology.....who says it is not Parashari????> >> > Now coming to the Venus in the Ninth house.> >> > Venus in 1st, 5th and the 9th houses is termed as "Mangal Vadha" or as> > good as a bad Mars unles it has mitigating factors.> >> > Now coming to ninth house. Ninth house is the house of Jupiter and> > Karaka for this house is also Jupiter. Its agni tatva rasi / house and> > Venus here is the most uncomfortable leading to differences with the> > spouse, loss of younger siblings, non competibility in marital> affairs,> > long and overseas journeys and quite a lot of richness.> >> > Lal Kitab takes into consideration not only Rasi Dristi of Jaimini but> > Argala also. The nature of Venus in the ninth house depends on planets> > in 6th and 12th (Rasi Dristi of Jaimin). The planets in the seventh> > house will be helpfull for Venus in 9th (Argala).> >> > The planets in the ninth finds opposition from the planets in the 2nd> > and 4th who take away or receive the money generated by planets in the> > 9th house. If there are no planets there, the richness generated by> > planets in the 9th may remain unutilsed.> >> > Gentlemen, this is simple Parashari. Second and 4th house are 6th and> > 8th from the 9th. Planets located there will tak away gains of the 9th> > house but since they are in the seond anf fourth from lagna the> > individual will enjoy those gains immensely.> >> > Ninth house is termed as the center of the horoscope by Lal Kitaab ,> > "Aagaaze Kismat". The individual starts his carrier around 24 yeras of> > age which is the natural age of venus (8 X 3 =24, this is an> > astronomical phenomenon and accepted in Parashari too).> >> > 9th house is analysied in various manner. For example, Venus having> > occupied 9th house means it will spoil the Karkatwa of Jupiter. Now,> if> > Jupiter itself is in bad position, it will indicate "Pitru Shraap". It> > will also indicate difficulties and trouble to father at around 8 or> 16> > years of the age of individual (again natural ages) or when Jupiter> Dasa> > operates.> >> > Venus in 9th guarantees to make a man very very rich at least once.> The> > man rises high from humble and ordinary surrounding. Those are the> > natural qualites of Venus. If it has aspect of ketum Moon or Mars then> > this Venus now will be excellent.> >> > So I focussed on a very few fundamental aspects of Lal Kitaab and also> > demonstrated how it is but basic application of Parashari and jaimini> > combined. It is a very good attempt at simplification of the net-mesh> > that Parashari and Jaimini turn into at various stages. It is an> attempt> > to brig astrology to the common man.> >> > Roop Chand Joshi Ji might have had certian basic copies of Lal Kitab> but> > he is not its originator. Many copoies of it was obtained from various> > sources and published by various publishers. The first copy I saw and> > bought bears the name of Swami Keshvanand which he is ststed to have> > obtained during "Himalaya Bhraman".....or whatever.> >> > It has many facets, features, and tools which in essence are> Parashari,> > Jaimini and Tantrik. All put together. It has gone beyong and instead> of> > being only astronomical has alalgamated Palmistry into it. The> Palmistry> > is applied to assertain which are the main areas of the influence of a> > planet. In Parashari we try to ascertain the state and infuences of of> > the planets from Vergas. For examle, we say, though the planet in Rasi> > chart is exalted in the the tenth house, it in fall in the Dasamansa> > and locates in the 8th house. The indicidual may witnes loss of job> > during the period of that planet. Lal Kitab says, look at the hand of> a> > man and if the planet is in eighth, its maximum influence is the> eight.> > After all many Nadi system also do that. No one calls it, Non> Parashari,> > non jaimini or Non -Arsha.> >> > Lal kitaab can not be non Arsha merely because it is written in Urdu.> >> > I still maintain what I said and am ready to clarify any aspect of> Laal> > Kitaab as per and based on my understanding of Parashari and Jaimini,> of> > which I have but very little knowledge, even after my years of> devotion> > to it. However, many a times it pains me to see how some astrologers> > have even named some of the Dasas and systems, methods of divisions,> and> > tools after their or their family names. I agree with Sreenaadh Ji on> > that count.> >> > With good wishes.> >> > Om Namo Narayana.> >>