Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Dear All, I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an Astrology Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year back. Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the forum. All credits to the original Author.. Here it goes.. Horoscope having blind planets As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are also called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime only but become blind during nights. These planets are called half blind. Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is situated in the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind horoscope. The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic happiness. Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology Saturn in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th aspect, Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th house. Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results of Sun become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house will fall on the house profession and turns the results of house of profession adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and happiness by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great extent. Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence on the horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial measures for Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn to mitigate his malefic nature. __________________ Righteous Horoscope As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In these types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces to maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any good house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will be helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the way during difficult situations. As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our difficulties as well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of Saturn. The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish qualities in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 6th, 9th, 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this influence all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end. ______________ Under Aged Horoscope As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence of the horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there will be influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. If houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only malefic planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury alone is situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope. The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up to the age of 12 years. As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be influence of single particular planet during every particular year as mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to the planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the adverse effects on life and making them favorable. 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house during the 1st year of age. 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house during the 2nd year of age. 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house during the 3rd year of age. 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house during the 4th year of age 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house during the 5th year of age. 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house during the 6th year of age. 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house during the 7th year of age. 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house during the 8th year of age. 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house during the 9th year of age. 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house during the 10th year of age. 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house during the 11th year of age. 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house during the 12th year of age. __________________ And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a chart(s) about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my next mail.. Hope this helps Regards Chandu2Chill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Respected Chandu Ji & Members, This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology. Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your mail does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the person who had written this to justify this with other system of astrology. The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect system of Lalkitab. A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be termed as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and download it at http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page wise from http://.ueuo.com here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 which is also 80 % correct. I suggest readers to read it. Regards Nirmal , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an Astrology > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year back. > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the forum. All > credits to the original Author.. > > Here it goes.. > > Horoscope having blind planets > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are also > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime only > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half blind. > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is situated in > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind horoscope. > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic happiness. > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology Saturn > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th aspect, > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th house. > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results of Sun > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house will fall > on the house profession and turns the results of house of profession > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and happiness > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great extent. > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence on the > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial measures for > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn to > mitigate his malefic nature. > > __________________ > > Righteous Horoscope > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In these > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces to > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any good > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will be > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the way > during difficult situations. > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our difficulties as > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of Saturn. > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish qualities > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 6th, 9th, > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this influence > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end. > ______________ > > Under Aged Horoscope > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence of the > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there will be > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. If > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only malefic > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury alone is > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope. > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up to the > age of 12 years. > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be > influence of single particular planet during every particular year as > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to the > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the > adverse effects on life and making them favorable. > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house during > the 1st year of age. > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house during > the 2nd year of age. > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house during > the 3rd year of age. > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house during > the 4th year of age > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house during > the 5th year of age. > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house during > the 6th year of age. > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house during > the 7th year of age. > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house during > the 8th year of age. > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house during > the 9th year of age. > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house during > the 10th year of age. > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house during > the 11th year of age. > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house during > the 12th year of age. > > __________________ > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a chart(s) > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my next > mail.. > > Hope this helps > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dear all, I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have more than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this period of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on the forums,because I feel I am not yet ready). What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well mentioned by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a old man , in his book "Lala Kitab" by Sagar publications, which is the best which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of this book. Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on Lalkitab here. Bhaskar. , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Chandu Ji & Members,> This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology. > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your mail > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the > person who had written this to justify this with other system of > astrology.> The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect system of > Lalkitab. > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be termed > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and > download it at> http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar> or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page wise from> http://.ueuo.com> here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 which is > also 80 % correct. > I suggest readers to read it.> Regards> Nirmal> , "Chandu2chill" > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an > Astrology > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year back.> > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the forum. All > > credits to the original Author..> > > > Here it goes..> > > > Horoscope having blind planets> > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are also > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime only > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half > blind. > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is situated in > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind horoscope.> > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic happiness. > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology > Saturn > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th aspect, > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th house. > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results of > Sun > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house will > fall > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of > profession > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and happiness > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great > extent. > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence on the > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial measures for > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn to > > mitigate his malefic nature.> > > > __________________> > > > Righteous Horoscope> > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In these > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces to > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any good > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will be > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the way > > during difficult situations. > > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our difficulties as > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of Saturn. > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish > qualities > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 6th, > 9th, > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems> > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this > influence > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end.> > ______________> > > > Under Aged Horoscope> > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence of the > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there will > be > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. If > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only malefic > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury alone is > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope.> > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up to > the > > age of 12 years.> > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be > > influence of single particular planet during every particular year > as > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to the > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable.> > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house during > > the 1st year of age.> > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house during > > the 2nd year of age.> > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house during > > the 3rd year of age.> > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house during > > the 4th year of age> > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house during > > the 5th year of age.> > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house during > > the 6th year of age.> > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house during > > the 7th year of age.> > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house during > > the 8th year of age.> > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house during > > the 9th year of age.> > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house during > > the 10th year of age.> > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house > during > > the 11th year of age.> > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house > during > > the 12th year of age.> > > > __________________> > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a chart(s)> > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my next > > mail..> > > > Hope this helps > > > > Regards> > > > Chandu2Chill> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dear all, When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with all the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is expected that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of teaching one, about the working of any system which is already known to the enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and parts. We do not need basics because these are all available to most of the astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We need something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of astroloy . While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, to those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge about Lalkitab, something more than elementary. I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query. I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest in my Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the event. I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab. And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week in your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not those who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person many queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to say himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach. I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if negative results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the essence of any astrological discussion. Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear all,> > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have more> than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this period> of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on the> forums,because I feel I am not yet ready).> > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well mentioned> by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a old man> , in his book "Lala Kitab" by Sagar publications, which is the best> which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of this> book.> > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on> Lalkitab here.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"> nirbhar@ wrote:> >> > Respected Chandu Ji & Members,> > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology.> > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your mail> > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the> > person who had written this to justify this with other system of> > astrology.> > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect system of> > Lalkitab.> > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be termed> > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and> > download it at> > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar> > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page wise from> > http://.ueuo.com> > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 which is> > also 80 % correct.> > I suggest readers to read it.> > Regards> > Nirmal> > , "Chandu2chill"> > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an> > Astrology> > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year back.> > >> > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled> > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the forum. All> > > credits to the original Author..> > >> > > Here it goes..> > >> > > Horoscope having blind planets> > >> > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are also> > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime only> > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half> > blind.> > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is situated in> > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind horoscope.> > >> > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in> > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic happiness.> > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology> > Saturn> > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th aspect,> > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th house.> > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results of> > Sun> > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house will> > fall> > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of> > profession> > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and happiness> > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great> > extent.> > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence on the> > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial measures for> > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn to> > > mitigate his malefic nature.> > >> > > __________________> > >> > > Righteous Horoscope> > >> > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In these> > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces to> > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any good> > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous> > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will be> > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the way> > > during difficult situations.> > >> > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our difficulties as> > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in> > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of Saturn.> > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish> > qualities> > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 6th,> > 9th,> > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems> > >> > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this> > influence> > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end.> > > ______________> > >> > > Under Aged Horoscope> > >> > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged> > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence of the> > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there will> > be> > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. If> > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only malefic> > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury alone is> > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope.> > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up to> > the> > > age of 12 years.> > >> > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be> > > influence of single particular planet during every particular year> > as> > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to the> > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the> > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable.> > >> > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house during> > > the 1st year of age.> > >> > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house during> > > the 2nd year of age.> > >> > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house during> > > the 3rd year of age.> > >> > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house during> > > the 4th year of age> > >> > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house during> > > the 5th year of age.> > >> > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house during> > > the 6th year of age.> > >> > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house during> > > the 7th year of age.> > >> > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house during> > > the 8th year of age.> > >> > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house during> > > the 9th year of age.> > >> > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house during> > > the 10th year of age.> > >> > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house> > during> > > the 11th year of age.> > >> > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house> > during> > > the 12th year of age.> > >> > > __________________> > >> > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a chart(s)> > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my next> > > mail..> > >> > > Hope this helps> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Chandu2Chill> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dear Bhaskar Ji I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope.. But where are the deatils... And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive... Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing with every post and there are limits of toleration... What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even an idea of it...will that sort out the issue.... Thanks... Om Namo Narayana , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear all, > > When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with all > the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is expected > that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of teaching > one, about the working of any system which is already known to the > enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and parts. We > do not need basics because these are all available to most of the > astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We need > something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a > advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of > astroloy . > > While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it > approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained > still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, to > those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge about > Lalkitab, something more than elementary. > > I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few > occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query. > > I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some > predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the > answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest in my > Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal > chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the event. > > I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this > despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab. > > And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who > cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week in > your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not those > who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person many > queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to say > himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach. > > I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to > predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in > which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if negative > results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the > essence of any astrological discussion. > > Bhaskar. > > , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have more > > than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this > period > > of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on the > > forums,because I feel I am not yet ready). > > > > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well > mentioned > > by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a old > man > > , in his book " Lala Kitab " by Sagar publications, which is the best > > which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of > this > > book. > > > > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on > > Lalkitab here. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj " > > nirbhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Chandu Ji & Members, > > > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology. > > > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your mail > > > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the > > > person who had written this to justify this with other system of > > > astrology. > > > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect system of > > > Lalkitab. > > > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be termed > > > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and > > > download it at > > > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar > > > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page wise > from > > > http://.ueuo.com > > > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 which is > > > also 80 % correct. > > > I suggest readers to read it. > > > Regards > > > Nirmal > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an > > > Astrology > > > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year back. > > > > > > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled > > > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the forum. All > > > > credits to the original Author.. > > > > > > > > Here it goes.. > > > > > > > > Horoscope having blind planets > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are > also > > > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime > only > > > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half > > > blind. > > > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is situated > in > > > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind horoscope. > > > > > > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in > > > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic happiness. > > > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology > > > Saturn > > > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th aspect, > > > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th house. > > > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results of > > > Sun > > > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house will > > > fall > > > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of > > > profession > > > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and > happiness > > > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great > > > extent. > > > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence on > the > > > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial measures for > > > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn to > > > > mitigate his malefic nature. > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > > > > > > Righteous Horoscope > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In these > > > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces to > > > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any > good > > > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous > > > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will be > > > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the way > > > > during difficult situations. > > > > > > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our difficulties > as > > > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in > > > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of > Saturn. > > > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish > > > qualities > > > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 6th, > > > 9th, > > > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems > > > > > > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this > > > influence > > > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end. > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > Under Aged Horoscope > > > > > > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged > > > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence of > the > > > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there will > > > be > > > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. If > > > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only malefic > > > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury alone is > > > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope. > > > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up to > > > the > > > > age of 12 years. > > > > > > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be > > > > influence of single particular planet during every particular year > > > as > > > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to the > > > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the > > > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable. > > > > > > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house during > > > > the 1st year of age. > > > > > > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house during > > > > the 2nd year of age. > > > > > > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house during > > > > the 3rd year of age. > > > > > > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house during > > > > the 4th year of age > > > > > > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house during > > > > the 5th year of age. > > > > > > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house during > > > > the 6th year of age. > > > > > > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house during > > > > the 7th year of age. > > > > > > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house during > > > > the 8th year of age. > > > > > > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house during > > > > the 9th year of age. > > > > > > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house during > > > > the 10th year of age. > > > > > > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house > > > during > > > > the 11th year of age. > > > > > > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house > > > during > > > > the 12th year of age. > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > > > > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a > chart(s) > > > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my next > > > > mail.. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Shobhana ji, //I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my bestincluding reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope..But where are the deatils...// Madam, if I may intervene.....kindly refer message # 14069 to access Bhaskar ji's birth details. I've been following this thread with much enthusiasm in the hope of learning something...Hence remembered that Bhaskar ji gave his birth data a few days ago. In fact I copied it down for my references. blessings Renu , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji> > I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best > including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope..> > But where are the deatils...> > And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive...> > Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing > with every post and there are limits of toleration...> > What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even > an idea of it...will that sort out the issue....> > Thanks...> > Om Namo Narayana> > > > > , "Bhaskar" > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear all,> > > > When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with > all> > the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is > expected> > that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of > teaching> > one, about the working of any system which is already known to the> > enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and > parts. We> > do not need basics because these are all available to most of the> > astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We > need> > something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a> > advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of> > astroloy .> > > > While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it> > approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained> > still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, > to> > those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge > about> > Lalkitab, something more than elementary.> > > > I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few> > occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query.> > > > I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some> > predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the> > answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest > in my> > Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal> > chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the > event.> > > > I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this> > despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab.> > > > And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who> > cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week > in> > your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not > those> > who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person > many> > queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to > say> > himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach.> > > > I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to> > predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in> > which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if > negative> > results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the> > essence of any astrological discussion.> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have > more> > > than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this> > period> > > of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on > the> > > forums,because I feel I am not yet ready).> > >> > > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well> > mentioned> > > by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a > old> > man> > > , in his book "Lala Kitab" by Sagar publications, which is the > best> > > which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of> > this> > > book.> > >> > > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on> > > Lalkitab here.> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Nirmal Kumar> > Bhardwaj"> > > nirbhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Chandu Ji & Members,> > > > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology.> > > > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your > mail> > > > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the> > > > person who had written this to justify this with other system of> > > > astrology.> > > > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect > system of> > > > Lalkitab.> > > > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be > termed> > > > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and> > > > download it at> > > > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar> > > > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page > wise> > from> > > > http://.ueuo.com> > > > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 > which is> > > > also 80 % correct.> > > > I suggest readers to read it.> > > > Regards> > > > Nirmal> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an> > > > Astrology> > > > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year > back.> > > > >> > > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled> > > > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the > forum. All> > > > > credits to the original Author..> > > > >> > > > > Here it goes..> > > > >> > > > > Horoscope having blind planets> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are> > also> > > > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime> > only> > > > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half> > > > blind.> > > > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is > situated> > in> > > > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind > horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in> > > > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic > happiness.> > > > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology> > > > Saturn> > > > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th > aspect,> > > > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th > house.> > > > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results > of> > > > Sun> > > > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house > will> > > > fall> > > > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of> > > > profession> > > > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and> > happiness> > > > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great> > > > extent.> > > > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence > on> > the> > > > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial > measures for> > > > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn > to> > > > > mitigate his malefic nature.> > > > >> > > > >> > __________________> > > > >> > > > > Righteous Horoscope> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In > these> > > > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces > to> > > > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any> > good> > > > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous> > > > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will > be> > > > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the > way> > > > > during difficult situations.> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our > difficulties> > as> > > > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in> > > > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of> > Saturn.> > > > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish> > > > qualities> > > > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in > 6th,> > > > 9th,> > > > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems> > > > >> > > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this> > > > influence> > > > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end.> > > > > > ______________> > > > >> > > > > Under Aged Horoscope> > > > >> > > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged> > > > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence > of> > the> > > > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there > will> > > > be> > > > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. > If> > > > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only > malefic> > > > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury > alone is> > > > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope.> > > > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up > to> > > > the> > > > > age of 12 years.> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be> > > > > influence of single particular planet during every particular > year> > > > as> > > > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to > the> > > > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the> > > > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable.> > > > >> > > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house > during> > > > > the 1st year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house > during> > > > > the 2nd year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house > during> > > > > the 3rd year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house > during> > > > > the 4th year of age> > > > >> > > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house > during> > > > > the 5th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house > during> > > > > the 6th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house > during> > > > > the 7th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house > during> > > > > the 8th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house > during> > > > > the 9th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house > during> > > > > the 10th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house> > > > during> > > > > the 11th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house> > > > during> > > > > the 12th year of age.> > > > >> > > > >> > __________________> > > > >> > > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a> > chart(s)> > > > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my > next> > > > > mail..> > > > >> > > > > Hope this helps> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Thanks Renu Ji, I found it now. However, the birth deatils were not given where the discussion is taking place. Thanks , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > > Dear Shobhana ji, > > //I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best > including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope.. > > But where are the deatils...// > > Madam, if I may intervene.....kindly refer message # 14069 to access > Bhaskar ji's birth details. I've been following this thread with much > enthusiasm in the hope of learning something...Hence remembered that > Bhaskar ji gave his birth data a few days ago. In fact I copied it down > for my references. > > blessings > > Renu > > > > > , " Shobhana " > <shobhana_ms@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best > > including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope.. > > > > But where are the deatils... > > > > And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive... > > > > Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing > > with every post and there are limits of toleration... > > > > What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even > > an idea of it...will that sort out the issue.... > > > > Thanks... > > > > Om Namo Narayana > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with > > all > > > the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is > > expected > > > that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of > > teaching > > > one, about the working of any system which is already known to the > > > enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and > > parts. We > > > do not need basics because these are all available to most of the > > > astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We > > need > > > something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a > > > advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of > > > astroloy . > > > > > > While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it > > > approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained > > > still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, > > to > > > those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge > > about > > > Lalkitab, something more than elementary. > > > > > > I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few > > > occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query. > > > > > > I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some > > > predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the > > > answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest > > in my > > > Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal > > > chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the > > event. > > > > > > I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this > > > despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab. > > > > > > And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who > > > cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week > > in > > > your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not > > those > > > who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person > > many > > > queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to > > say > > > himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach. > > > > > > I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to > > > predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in > > > which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if > > negative > > > results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the > > > essence of any astrological discussion. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have > > more > > > > than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this > > > period > > > > of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on > > the > > > > forums,because I feel I am not yet ready). > > > > > > > > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well > > > mentioned > > > > by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a > > old > > > man > > > > , in his book " Lala Kitab " by Sagar publications, which is the > > best > > > > which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of > > > this > > > > book. > > > > > > > > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on > > > > Lalkitab here. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > > > Bhardwaj " > > > > nirbhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Chandu Ji & Members, > > > > > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology. > > > > > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your > > mail > > > > > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the > > > > > person who had written this to justify this with other system of > > > > > astrology. > > > > > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect > > system of > > > > > Lalkitab. > > > > > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be > > termed > > > > > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and > > > > > download it at > > > > > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar > > > > > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page > > wise > > > from > > > > > http://.ueuo.com > > > > > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 > > which is > > > > > also 80 % correct. > > > > > I suggest readers to read it. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal > > > > > --- In , " Chandu2chill " > > > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled > > > > > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the > > forum. All > > > > > > credits to the original Author.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here it goes.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope having blind planets > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are > > > also > > > > > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime > > > only > > > > > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half > > > > > blind. > > > > > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is > > situated > > > in > > > > > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in > > > > > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic > > happiness. > > > > > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th > > aspect, > > > > > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th > > house. > > > > > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results > > of > > > > > Sun > > > > > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house > > will > > > > > fall > > > > > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of > > > > > profession > > > > > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and > > > happiness > > > > > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great > > > > > extent. > > > > > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence > > on > > > the > > > > > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial > > measures for > > > > > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn > > to > > > > > > mitigate his malefic nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Righteous Horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In > > these > > > > > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces > > to > > > > > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any > > > good > > > > > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous > > > > > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will > > be > > > > > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the > > way > > > > > > during difficult situations. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our > > difficulties > > > as > > > > > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in > > > > > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of > > > Saturn. > > > > > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish > > > > > qualities > > > > > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in > > 6th, > > > > > 9th, > > > > > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems > > > > > > > > > > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this > > > > > influence > > > > > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end. > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Under Aged Horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged > > > > > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence > > of > > > the > > > > > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. > > If > > > > > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only > > malefic > > > > > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury > > alone is > > > > > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope. > > > > > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > age of 12 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be > > > > > > influence of single particular planet during every particular > > year > > > > > as > > > > > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to > > the > > > > > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the > > > > > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house > > during > > > > > > the 1st year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house > > during > > > > > > the 2nd year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house > > during > > > > > > the 3rd year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house > > during > > > > > > the 4th year of age > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house > > during > > > > > > the 5th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house > > during > > > > > > the 6th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house > > during > > > > > > the 7th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house > > during > > > > > > the 8th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house > > during > > > > > > the 9th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house > > during > > > > > > the 10th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house > > > > > during > > > > > > the 11th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house > > > > > during > > > > > > the 12th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a > > > chart(s) > > > > > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my > > next > > > > > > mail.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Sobhanaji, // And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive...// Its nothing to do with anyone personally. I believe in seeing the fruits and not the leaves or the bark. Until I see that all other views to me do not make sense. I would be like this not only with you but with anyone else. // > Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing > with every post and there are limits of toleration.../ I have no personal attack towards anyone . I do not even know you. You also seem to be a women. I am the last person to attack you. Please forgive me if you have felt so. I have no hidden or open agenda with you, there is some misundersanding please. // > What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even > an idea of it...will that sort out the issue.... // That will not sort the issue , because there is no issue in the first place. How can I know astrology while the other can not. This is just not possible. Every one knows something better than the other in some area or the facets of astroloy as per individual experience. regards/Bhaskar. , "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji> > I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best > including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope..> > But where are the deatils...> > And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive...> > Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing > with every post and there are limits of toleration...> > What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even > an idea of it...will that sort out the issue....> > Thanks...> > Om Namo Narayana> > > > > , "Bhaskar" > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear all,> > > > When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with > all> > the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is > expected> > that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of > teaching> > one, about the working of any system which is already known to the> > enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and > parts. We> > do not need basics because these are all available to most of the> > astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We > need> > something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a> > advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of> > astroloy .> > > > While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it> > approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained> > still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, > to> > those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge > about> > Lalkitab, something more than elementary.> > > > I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few> > occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query.> > > > I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some> > predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the> > answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest > in my> > Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal> > chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the > event.> > > > I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this> > despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab.> > > > And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who> > cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week > in> > your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not > those> > who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person > many> > queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to > say> > himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach.> > > > I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to> > predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in> > which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if > negative> > results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the> > essence of any astrological discussion.> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have > more> > > than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this> > period> > > of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on > the> > > forums,because I feel I am not yet ready).> > >> > > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well> > mentioned> > > by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a > old> > man> > > , in his book "Lala Kitab" by Sagar publications, which is the > best> > > which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of> > this> > > book.> > >> > > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on> > > Lalkitab here.> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Nirmal Kumar> > Bhardwaj"> > > nirbhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Chandu Ji & Members,> > > > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology.> > > > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your > mail> > > > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the> > > > person who had written this to justify this with other system of> > > > astrology.> > > > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect > system of> > > > Lalkitab.> > > > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be > termed> > > > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and> > > > download it at> > > > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar> > > > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page > wise> > from> > > > http://.ueuo.com> > > > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 > which is> > > > also 80 % correct.> > > > I suggest readers to read it.> > > > Regards> > > > Nirmal> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an> > > > Astrology> > > > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year > back.> > > > >> > > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled> > > > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the > forum. All> > > > > credits to the original Author..> > > > >> > > > > Here it goes..> > > > >> > > > > Horoscope having blind planets> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are> > also> > > > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime> > only> > > > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half> > > > blind.> > > > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is > situated> > in> > > > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind > horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in> > > > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic > happiness.> > > > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology> > > > Saturn> > > > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th > aspect,> > > > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th > house.> > > > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results > of> > > > Sun> > > > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house > will> > > > fall> > > > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of> > > > profession> > > > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and> > happiness> > > > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great> > > > extent.> > > > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence > on> > the> > > > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial > measures for> > > > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn > to> > > > > mitigate his malefic nature.> > > > >> > > > >> > __________________> > > > >> > > > > Righteous Horoscope> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In > these> > > > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces > to> > > > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any> > good> > > > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous> > > > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will > be> > > > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the > way> > > > > during difficult situations.> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our > difficulties> > as> > > > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in> > > > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of> > Saturn.> > > > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish> > > > qualities> > > > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in > 6th,> > > > 9th,> > > > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems> > > > >> > > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this> > > > influence> > > > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end.> > > > > > ______________> > > > >> > > > > Under Aged Horoscope> > > > >> > > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged> > > > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence > of> > the> > > > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there > will> > > > be> > > > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. > If> > > > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only > malefic> > > > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury > alone is> > > > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope.> > > > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up > to> > > > the> > > > > age of 12 years.> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be> > > > > influence of single particular planet during every particular > year> > > > as> > > > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to > the> > > > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the> > > > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable.> > > > >> > > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house > during> > > > > the 1st year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house > during> > > > > the 2nd year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house > during> > > > > the 3rd year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house > during> > > > > the 4th year of age> > > > >> > > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house > during> > > > > the 5th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house > during> > > > > the 6th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house > during> > > > > the 7th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house > during> > > > > the 8th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house > during> > > > > the 9th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house > during> > > > > the 10th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house> > > > during> > > > > the 11th year of age.> > > > >> > > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house> > > > during> > > > > the 12th year of age.> > > > >> > > > >> > __________________> > > > >> > > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a> > chart(s)> > > > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my > next> > > > > mail..> > > > >> > > > > Hope this helps> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Shobhana-ji and Bhaskar-ji, Both of you are well conversant with lal Kitab. Could you please share some basics with us ? Earlier, I had tried learning it after joining a LalKitab Study forum. The problem I found is.. not much was discuused about the logic part... it was more like if planet X is in yH then such result should be expected. BTW, my initial understanding about LK was... In Jyotish, lagna is important. In Bhrigu Nadi, Aries is always the lagna (may be I am wrong here). In LK, the case is just opposite... Here Lagna will be considered as Aries. 'Looking forward to learn from all of you. regards chakraborty Shobhana [shobhana_ms]Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Lal-Kitab Horoscopes Dear Bhaskar JiI am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope..But where are the deatils...And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive...Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing with every post and there are limits of toleration...What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even an idea of it...will that sort out the issue....Thanks...Om Namo Narayana , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear all,> > When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with all> the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is expected> that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of teaching> one, about the working of any system which is already known to the> enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and parts. We> do not need basics because these are all available to most of the> astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We need> something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a> advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of> astroloy .> > While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it> approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained> still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, to> those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge about> Lalkitab, something more than elementary.> > I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few> occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query.> > I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some> predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the> answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest in my> Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal> chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the event.> > I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this> despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab.> > And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who> cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week in> your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not those> who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person many> queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to say> himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach.> > I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to> predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in> which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if negative> results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the> essence of any astrological discussion.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> <rajiventerprises@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have more> > than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this> period> > of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on the> > forums,because I feel I am not yet ready).> >> > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well> mentioned> > by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a old> man> > , in his book "Lala Kitab" by Sagar publications, which is the best> > which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of> this> > book.> >> > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on> > Lalkitab here.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Nirmal Kumar> Bhardwaj"> > nirbhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Chandu Ji & Members,> > > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology.> > > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your mail> > > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the> > > person who had written this to justify this with other system of> > > astrology.> > > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect system of> > > Lalkitab.> > > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be termed> > > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and> > > download it at> > > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar> > > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page wise> from> > > http://.ueuo.com> > > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 which is> > > also 80 % correct.> > > I suggest readers to read it.> > > Regards> > > Nirmal> > > , "Chandu2chill"> > > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an> > > Astrology> > > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year back.> > > >> > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled> > > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the forum. All> > > > credits to the original Author..> > > >> > > > Here it goes..> > > >> > > > Horoscope having blind planets> > > >> > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are> also> > > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime> only> > > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half> > > blind.> > > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is situated> in> > > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind horoscope.> > > >> > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in> > > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic happiness.> > > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology> > > Saturn> > > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th aspect,> > > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th house.> > > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results of> > > Sun> > > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house will> > > fall> > > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of> > > profession> > > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and> happiness> > > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great> > > extent.> > > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence on> the> > > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial measures for> > > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn to> > > > mitigate his malefic nature.> > > >> > > >> ________> > > >> > > > Righteous Horoscope> > > >> > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In these> > > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces to> > > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any> good> > > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous> > > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will be> > > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the way> > > > during difficult situations.> > > >> > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our difficulties> as> > > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in> > > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of> Saturn.> > > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish> > > qualities> > > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 6th,> > > 9th,> > > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems> > > >> > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this> > > influence> > > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end.> > > > ________> > > >> > > > Under Aged Horoscope> > > >> > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged> > > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence of> the> > > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there will> > > be> > > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. If> > > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only malefic> > > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury alone is> > > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope.> > > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up to> > > the> > > > age of 12 years.> > > >> > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be> > > > influence of single particular planet during every particular year> > > as> > > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to the> > > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the> > > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable.> > > >> > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house during> > > > the 1st year of age.> > > >> > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house during> > > > the 2nd year of age.> > > >> > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house during> > > > the 3rd year of age.> > > >> > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house during> > > > the 4th year of age> > > >> > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house during> > > > the 5th year of age.> > > >> > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house during> > > > the 6th year of age.> > > >> > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house during> > > > the 7th year of age.> > > >> > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house during> > > > the 8th year of age.> > > >> > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house during> > > > the 9th year of age.> > > >> > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house during> > > > the 10th year of age.> > > >> > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house> > > during> > > > the 11th year of age.> > > >> > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house> > > during> > > > the 12th year of age.> > > >> > > >> ________> > > >> > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a> chart(s)> > > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my next> > > > mail..> > > >> > > > Hope this helps> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > >> > >> >>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. 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Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Chakrobortyji, I am reading about Lalkitab since many years, but would not say that I am well versant with this. I will come back on your query in a day or two after completion of my few professional assignments which take up all my time. rgrds, Bhaskar. , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Shobhana-ji and Bhaskar-ji, > > Both of you are well conversant with lal Kitab. > > Could you please share some basics with us ? > > Earlier, I had tried learning it after joining a LalKitab Study forum. > > The problem I found is.. not much was discuused about > the logic part... it was more like if planet X is in yH then > such result should be expected. > > BTW, my initial understanding about LK was... > > In Jyotish, lagna is important. In Bhrigu Nadi, Aries is > always the lagna (may be I am wrong here). In LK, the > case is just opposite... Here Lagna will be considered as > Aries. > > 'Looking forward to learn from all of you. > > regards > > chakraborty > > > > > > > Shobhana [shobhana_ms] > Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:58 AM > > Re: Lal-Kitab Horoscopes > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > I am yet to find deatils of your chart.... I shall try all my best > including reading your Das and annual chart based on your horoscope.. > > But where are the deatils... > > And may I ask You why are you so angry, annoyed and offensive... > > Can you please calm down..... Your personal attacks are increasing > with every post and there are limits of toleration... > > What if I say that you know astrology and not any one else have even > an idea of it...will that sort out the issue.... > > Thanks... > > Om Namo Narayana > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > When someone puts his Horoscope here on the forum, like I did, with > all > > the placements of my planets in houses and signs, then it is > expected > > that the discussion should move beyond the prelimnary stages of > teaching > > one, about the working of any system which is already known to the > > enquirer. What is required here is the predictive approach and > parts. We > > do not need basics because these are all available to most of the > > astrologers here for a Rs.60- book available on the footpath. We > need > > something better than that. It is clearly understood that this is a > > advanced forum and not talking to the new entrants in the field of > > astroloy . > > > > While Sobhanaji has well explained the system of Lalkitab how it > > approaches a chart, my questions which are a very few, have remained > > still unanswered. I keep these queries open for all here to answer, > to > > those who are practising Lalkitab or have some better knowledge > about > > Lalkitab, something more than elementary. > > > > I hve seen evasion of my queries in the past too, more than few > > occasions, and people going round about but not answering the query. > > > > I hope hat the knowledgable here would be able to give me some > > predictions with reference to Lalkitab, rather than asking me the > > answers, and also tell me what the present Varsh Horoscope suggest > in my > > Life, as per Lalkitab, alongwith the remedial measures for the Natal > > chart, as well as the Varsha chart, alongwith the timings of the > event. > > > > I am sorry to state, but i feel none here would be able to do this > > despite their claims of years of learning Lal kitab. > > > > And do not think that it is not possible. I know ceratin people who > > cantell you as per Lal kitab, what happened last month , first week > in > > your Life. Those are the real astrologers of Lal kitab, and not > those > > who just write theories without any predictions, or ask the person > many > > queries about his Life, which instead of asing, one must be abl to > say > > himself if he is a good astrologer of any system or approach. > > > > I am sorry, i am being too blunt, but we need to focus on how to > > predict, what events can take shape, whether for the good or bad, in > > which area of Life, when they would happen- the timings, and if > negative > > results, then how to ward off the evils . This is what must be the > > essence of any astrological discussion. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I have been associated with Lal kitab for past 18 years, and have > more > > > than 20 versions of Lalkitab in my possession collected over this > > period > > > of time ( Though I do not discuss about my knowledge on this, on > the > > > forums,because I feel I am not yet ready). > > > > > > What Chandu Chill has mentioned about blind horoscopes is well > > mentioned > > > by one of the best authors of Lalkitab Shri RS Chillar who is a > old > > man > > > , in his book " Lala Kitab " by Sagar publications, which is the > best > > > which I recomend for all the lovers of Lalkitab, on page no. 11 of > > this > > > book. > > > > > > Please go through this book before one ventures to be a teacher on > > > Lalkitab here. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " > > > nirbhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Chandu Ji & Members, > > > > This is what being done and harmed to this system of astrology. > > > > Except initial lines of difinitions every data given in your > mail > > > > does not relate to Lalkitab. This is a frustrated effort of the > > > > person who had written this to justify this with other system of > > > > astrology. > > > > The aspect been mentioned here does not match with aspect > system of > > > > Lalkitab. > > > > A hindi transliteration of Lalkitab 1952 edition which can be > termed > > > > as 80% correct is available for download. Members can see and > > > > download it at > > > > http://www.scribd. <http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar> > com/people/view/1677438-nirbhar > > > > or alternatively you can download hindi transliteration page > wise > > from > > > > http://astrostudent <http://.ueuo.com> s.ueuo.com > > > > here you can also find Lalkitab Hindi Transliteration 1942 > which is > > > > also 80 % correct. > > > > I suggest readers to read it. > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology , " Chandu2chill " > > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I have received the following Lal-Kitab basic info from an > > > > Astrology > > > > > Panel from one of the Website whereincity.com almost a year > back. > > > > > > > > > > Since there is some discussion going on on this less travelled > > > > > Subject called Lal-Kitab, i thought of sharing with the > forum. All > > > > > credits to the original Author.. > > > > > > > > > > Here it goes.. > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope having blind planets > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab, the planets that are blind during nights are > > also > > > > > called NAHORATRA planets. These planets can see during daytime > > only > > > > > but become blind during nights. These planets are called half > > > > blind. > > > > > Thus, if Sun is situated in the 4th house and Saturn is > situated > > in > > > > > the 7th house then the horoscope is called Half Blind > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > The horoscope of this kind can influence to a great extent in > > > > > native's professional life, mental peace, and domestic > happiness. > > > > > Saturn in the 7th house becomes very strong. As per astrology > > > > Saturn > > > > > in the 7th house gets directional strength. With his 10th > aspect, > > > > > Saturn in this house can influence the planets in the 4th > house. > > > > > Because of the inimical aspect of Saturn, the benefic results > of > > > > Sun > > > > > become malefic. The 7th aspect of Sun situated in 4th house > will > > > > fall > > > > > on the house profession and turns the results of house of > > > > profession > > > > > adverse. Thus causes losses to all kinds of pleasures and > > happiness > > > > > by destroying comforts and minimizing mental peace to a great > > > > extent. > > > > > Saturn and his aspects are responsible for the bad influence > on > > the > > > > > horoscope. Hence it is not proper to perform remedial > measures for > > > > > Sun but the remedial measures are to be performed for Saturn > to > > > > > mitigate his malefic nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > Righteous Horoscope > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab there are certain Righteous horoscopes. In > these > > > > > types of horoscopes the influence of malefic planets reduces > to > > > > > maximum extent. In any horoscope, if Saturn is situated in any > > good > > > > > house along with Jupiter, then the horoscope becomes Righteous > > > > > horoscope. The native who is having righteous horoscope, will > be > > > > > helped by God Himself while facing obstructions formed on the > way > > > > > during difficult situations. > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal kitab, Saturn is the significater of our > difficulties > > as > > > > > well as luck. If Saturn is situated along with Jupiter or in > > > > > Jupiter's rasi, then beneficence will come in the nature of > > Saturn. > > > > > The relationship of Saturn and Jupiter removes many blemish > > > > qualities > > > > > in the horoscope. The conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in > 6th, > > > > 9th, > > > > > 11th or 12th houses mitigates many problems > > > > > > > > > > and controls the ups and downs in the life. Because of this > > > > influence > > > > > all kinds of malefics and calamities will be put to an end. > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > Under Aged Horoscope > > > > > > > > > > As per the principles of Lal Kitab, there will be under aged > > > > > horoscopes unto the age of 12 years of native. The influence > of > > the > > > > > horoscope will not be on the native up to 12 years but there > will > > > > be > > > > > influence of results of fortune belonging to previous birth. > If > > > > > houses 1,4,7 & 10, i.e., centers are either vacant or only > malefic > > > > > planets like Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are situated or Mercury > alone is > > > > > situated, then the horoscope is called under aged horoscope. > > > > > The native's condition of luck and fate will be suspicious up > to > > > > the > > > > > age of 12 years. > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal kitab, in the under aged horoscope, there will be > > > > > influence of single particular planet during every particular > year > > > > as > > > > > mentioned below. The remedial measures are to be performed to > the > > > > > planets situated in the below mentioned houses to mitigate the > > > > > adverse effects on life and making them favorable. > > > > > > > > > > 1. There will be influence of planet situated in 7th house > during > > > > > the 1st year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 2. There will be influence of planet situated in 4th house > during > > > > > the 2nd year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 3. There will be influence of planet situated in 9th house > during > > > > > the 3rd year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 4. There will be influence of planet situated in 10th house > during > > > > > the 4th year of age > > > > > > > > > > 5. There will be influence of planet situated in 11th house > during > > > > > the 5th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 6. There will be influence of planet situated in 3rd house > during > > > > > the 6th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 7. There will be influence of planet situated in 2nd house > during > > > > > the 7th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 8. There will be influence of planet situated in 5th house > during > > > > > the 8th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 9. There will be influence of planet situated in 6th house > during > > > > > the 9th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 10.There will be influence of planet situated in 12th house > during > > > > > the 10th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 11.There will be influence of planet situated in 1st house > > > > during > > > > > the 11th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > 12.There will be influence of planet situated in 8th house > > > > during > > > > > the 12th year of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > And there some Planetery indications as per Lal-Kitab in a > > chart(s) > > > > > about debts of previous birth which i will be posting in my > next > > > > > mail.. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. 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Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Chakraborty, In Lal-Kitab, the sambandh (relationship) between the Karak (significance) of Planets and Karak of House is given the Utmost Importance. for eg karak for first house is sun (pakka ghar) and mars (rasi lord as per kalpurush kundli). In Various Nadis as you have stated, Sambandh between planets and Rasis (signs) is given more importance. In both system ascendant does not have much importance. Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Chakrobortyji, Shri Vijay Goelji has already replied what i wished to reply. I will further add, that as in few Nadis where the Karaka or significator has sambandh with other planets as karakas and the mumber of houses away from each another, as also transits of one planet over another, without reference to any ascendant, in same way there is some resemblence in Lal Kitab. Another important point is, that we cannot search for Logic in everything, or else even if we spend anothr 100 Lives, we will never be able to find logic for all what is written in the texts. How many of us can give logic for exaltation points of planets, or the Vimsottari dasha sequence, or the number of years given to each planet, or the effects given to each planet or so many thousands of such other matters we know to be correct in practise . So it is better to spend our time in application of the rules suggested by most of our ancestors, and try to find or search or look for logic, but when it is not available handy, then do not waste time, but just apply the principles and check whether it matches in real Life or not. An ounce of practise is a lakh times better than quintals of theory is what I suggest to myself and all over here. regards/Bhaskar. , Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Chakraborty,> > In Lal-Kitab, the sambandh (relationship) between the Karak > (significance) of Planets and Karak of House> is given the Utmost Importance.> for eg karak for first house is sun (pakka ghar) and mars (rasi lord as > per kalpurush kundli).> > In Various Nadis as you have stated, Sambandh between planets and Rasis > (signs) is given more importance.> > In both system ascendant does not have much importance.> > Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Respected Vijay Goel Ji, This astro community is a very very small world and most of the members of this community are sread allover the groups. Vijay Goela ji is very respected member but for his deep rooted and very individualistic business interests with some of the groups including offshhots of SJC and and some other connected people. Vijay Ji forgets about his satrk negative role he played in destruction of of a well established group od astrology. I was just a standby observant. These tricks do not work in a close knit and tight community where are but a few to count upon. However, I again say he is a good astrologer, Inintailly a very sincere soul but spoilled now by money. I stil wish him the very best. I wish I am anot blaming him or putting allegations. I know him for last four yaers and can prove what ever changes I saw in his astrological life. But Vijay Ji you will alwyas reamin a respected man so far I am oncerned. The backgrounfd role you played will never, howvwer, fade away. You know what is being talked about. Regards. , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear Chakrobortyji, > > Shri Vijay Goelji has already replied what i wished to reply. > > I will further add, that as in few Nadis where the Karaka or > significator has sambandh with other planets as karakas and the mumber > of houses away from each another, as also transits of one planet over > another, without reference to any ascendant, in same way there is some > resemblence in Lal Kitab. > > Another important point is, that we cannot search for Logic in > everything, or else even if we spend anothr 100 Lives, we will never be > able to find logic for all what is written in the texts. How many of us > can give logic for exaltation points of planets, or the Vimsottari dasha > sequence, or the number of years given to each planet, or the effects > given to each planet or so many thousands of such other matters we know > to be correct in practise . > > So it is better to spend our time in application of the rules suggested > by most of our ancestors, and try to find or search or look for logic, > but when it is not available handy, then do not waste time, but just > apply the principles and check whether it matches in real Life or not. > > An ounce of practise is a lakh times better than quintals of theory is > what I suggest to myself and all over here. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > , Vijay Goel > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chakraborty, > > > > In Lal-Kitab, the sambandh (relationship) between the Karak > > (significance) of Planets and Karak of House > > is given the Utmost Importance. > > for eg karak for first house is sun (pakka ghar) and mars (rasi lord > as > > per kalpurush kundli). > > > > In Various Nadis as you have stated, Sambandh between planets and > Rasis > > (signs) is given more importance. > > > > In both system ascendant does not have much importance. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear Sobhanaji, Thanks for the compliment. My father says 'i am spoilt from the first day of birth and still don't listen to him'. But i wonder, ever i have interacted with you. Thanks and regards , Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear Shobhanaji, Please do not relate me with respected Shri Gopal Goel from Delhi. I do not have any interaction with him. Secondly i am nowhere with respect to his knowledge. Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear Vijay Ji, With all respect and due apologies. Internet Astrlogers community in India, perticularly the Englishwalas, whether Professional or Hobbists all over India are but a few and you can count them on fingers. It is a small community and calls for healthy respect and interactions with each other. I have observed with dismay that instead of commradaire, they indulge in petty issues and fight badly. The healthy aspects of the discussion and progress of an idea gets stalled or sidelined. I do not have much of interaction with Goel Ji of Delhi though I have full respect for his astrological talent. I know Vijay Goel i of Jaipur for whom I have equal regards. My Only request is that we all know This Charakaraka replacement theory is Brain Wave of Shree Sanjay Rath follwed up by some Visti Lasrsen. It is a fine idea and can be experimented upon. I welcome it. My contention is only that one need not Justify it quoting Parasara. Parashara interpreation can not be stretched to justify that idea. As an idea, it is welcome, experiment with it and justify. Do nort use it as commercial tool and as a means of spreading the Empire. Use SJC forums for that purpose. My another and associated request is that, multiple forums of SJC be used for that purpose and this concept should not be made a bone of contention in other communities. That leads to ganging up by interested elements rather than a free intellectual discussion. The idea is being spread as a cult rather than an innovative find. Coupled with that, many professional have jumped into the band wagon due to their prefessional self interests rather than due to acedemics. Hope I have humbly and unoffendingly put across my views. Thanking you. Om Namo Narayana , Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sobhanaji,> > Thanks for the compliment. > My father says 'i am spoilt from the first day of birth and still don't > listen to him'.> > But i wonder, ever i have interacted with you.> > Thanks and regards ,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> , Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sobhanaji,> > Thanks for the compliment. > My father says 'i am spoilt from the first day of birth and still don't > listen to him'.> > But i wonder, ever i have interacted with you.> > Thanks and regards ,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear Bhakar-ji, Your advice is taken in right spirit. And yes, searching for logic may be futile in many cases. However, when few basics are understood, it is easier to remember the rules. Without basic logic, there will not be any patterns.. and without patterns, it is difficult to memorize .. at least to me. And sometimes there will be few contradictions .. when basics are known, may be I can understand the situation better. Please note that I am not asking for all the basics...sharing of such details is not possible in a forum .. and may be humanly impossible too. With regards Chakraborty Bhaskar [rajiventerprises] Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:32 AM Re: Lal-Kitab Horoscopes Dear Chakrobortyji, Shri Vijay Goelji has already replied what i wished to reply. I will further add, that as in few Nadis where the Karaka or significator has sambandh with other planets as karakas and the mumber of houses away from each another, as also transits of one planet over another, without reference to any ascendant, in same way there is some resemblence in Lal Kitab. Another important point is, that we cannot search for Logic in everything, or else even if we spend anothr 100 Lives, we will never be able to find logic for all what is written in the texts. How many of us can give logic for exaltation points of planets, or the Vimsottari dasha sequence, or the number of years given to each planet, or the effects given to each planet or so many thousands of such other matters we know to be correct in practise . So it is better to spend our time in application of the rules suggested by most of our ancestors, and try to find or search or look for logic, but when it is not available handy, then do not waste time, but just apply the principles and check whether it matches in real Life or not. An ounce of practise is a lakh times better than quintals of theory is what I suggest to myself and all over here. regards/Bhaskar. , Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > > Dear Chakraborty, > > In Lal-Kitab, the sambandh (relationship) between the Karak > (significance) of Planets and Karak of House > is given the Utmost Importance. > for eg karak for first house is sun (pakka ghar) and mars (rasi lord as > per kalpurush kundli). > > In Various Nadis as you have stated, Sambandh between planets and Rasis > (signs) is given more importance. > > In both system ascendant does not have much importance. > > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Respected Bhaskar Ji Please accept my salutations for your following lines: (A). //.....we cannot search for Logic in everything,or else even if we spend another 100 Lives, we will never be able to find logic for all what is written in the texts.// (B). //So it is better to spend our time in application of the rules suggested by most of our ancestors, and try to find or search or look for logic, but when it is not available handy, then do not waste time, but just apply the principles and check whether it matches in real Life or not.// ©. //An ounce of practise is a lakh times better than quintals of theory...// (I have included this into my favorite collection of " sayings by great people " ). Although knowing a logic behind any rule is like an icing on the cake, but I agree with you that it is beyond our understanding to find out what actually was in the minds of our Sages/ancestors while formulating every principle. So the best way to verify the accuracy of any given principle is the practical experience. I know some " planet shifter " scholars, who are burning their night oil to find out rationales behind each tenet of Lal Kitab, but nine out of ten times they came out with clumsy conclusions far far away from the fundamentals. Moreover they audaciously support there findings with fabricated theories that are not at all conform to the basics of Lal Kitab. I once again congratulate you on this brilliant write up. Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 Re: Lal-Kitab Horoscopes Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:55 PM Dear Bhakar-ji, Your advice is taken in right spirit. And yes, searching for logic may be futile in many cases. However, when few basics are understood, it is easier to remember the rules. Without basic logic, there will not be any patterns.. and without patterns, it is difficult to memorize .. at least to me. And sometimes there will be few contradictions .. when basics are known, may be I can understand the situation better. Please note that I am not asking for all the basics...sharing of such details is not possible in a forum .. and may be humanly impossible too. With regards Chakraborty Bhaskar [rajiventerprises@ hathway.com] Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:32 AM ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Lal-Kitab Horoscopes Dear Chakrobortyji, Shri Vijay Goelji has already replied what i wished to reply. I will further add, that as in few Nadis where the Karaka or significator has sambandh with other planets as karakas and the mumber of houses away from each another, as also transits of one planet over another, without reference to any ascendant, in same way there is some resemblence in Lal Kitab. Another important point is, that we cannot search for Logic in everything, or else even if we spend anothr 100 Lives, we will never be able to find logic for all what is written in the texts. How many of us can give logic for exaltation points of planets, or the Vimsottari dasha sequence, or the number of years given to each planet, or the effects given to each planet or so many thousands of such other matters we know to be correct in practise . So it is better to spend our time in application of the rules suggested by most of our ancestors, and try to find or search or look for logic, but when it is not available handy, then do not waste time, but just apply the principles and check whether it matches in real Life or not. An ounce of practise is a lakh times better than quintals of theory is what I suggest to myself and all over here. regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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