Lal Kitab, Jaimini and Parasara Schools of astrology

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Dear Sreenadh,Thanks for giving histroy of development of Astrolgy. I shall like to hear for Lal Kitab as it has used parshian words.

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Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Lal Kitab, Jaimini and Parasara Schools of astrology Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 2:33 PM

 

 

Dear Nirmal ji and Sobhana ji,//Sobhana ji: If there is a very fine amalgamation of Lal Kitaab andJaimini.this is it...Nirmal ji: My opinion is different. There is not an iota of Jamini inthis system. This system is unique in itself. Knowledge of Palmistry andSamudrik is and additional beneficial in understanding this science.//This is a tricky situation. First we should understand what we arespeaking about. Let us revise -1) Parasara System: This is a system possibily originated aroundKashmir, and is a mix-up of Arsha and Yavana (Ionian and not greek)system as per Arsha Rishi horas. The system has a great history and maydate back to BC 1400 onwards - regarding its development life cycles,enriched through the numerous masters of Parasara school (with the name'Parasara'). Later after 4th century some AP/Orissa scholers mixedmuch of local Jaimini system with it, and the currently available

BPHSis such an amalgum.2) Jaimini System : It is a system of astrology originated inAP/Orissa AFTER 4th century AD. It is a system unique in itself and ismuch different from the traditional Arsha school of astrology with theuse of unique concepts such as Karamama, Argala, Chara karaka, Aruthasand so on. This is a totally divergent path from traditional astrology.If we find all the above terms such as Karamsa, Argala etc in BPHS thereason is the the interpolation of these Jaimini concepts by AP/Orissaastrologers into BPHS. The attribution of the sage name 'Jaimini' withthe mideveal AP/Orissa system of astrology itself is unauthentic, sincethe book does not mention the sage name. It is a system without muchconnection to the Arsha school of astrology; and without muchcontribution towards the predictive side. But this system introducesnumerous 'new techniques' with a false aura as if it is ancient.

Thecurrent situation is that this new AP system with the so called name'Jaimini system' hi-jacked the ancient Parashara system and BPHS and ispresented especially among the north indian majority as Parasara'ssystem!3) Lal Kitab system: This is a system originated in Himachal Pradesh,most possibly an indipended brach traditional (parampara based) systemof astrology.[i am stopping this mail in the middle. Bit busy. Got to go. I willcomplete it later. But posting it as of now - as is.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"<nirbhar > wrote:>> Respected Shobhana Ji,> I am a kid as far as Lalkitab is concerned. There is not any bad> intention of mine in asking the question. I try to remove your doubts> about

this system as far asmy little knowledge is concerned>> '//Lal Kitab system is fairly advanced and many people do notunderstand> it //">> I agree to the extent that the most people donot understand it butthis> is fairly simple to understandprovided be read in original form.Reading> Translations/ transliterations may not prove much fruitful.>> "//The reson is is their lack of understanding of Parashara and> Jaimini..."/ />> My opinion is different.>> "// had U understood the basics U would have never asked about basic> ages and period of planets... If you are not understanding it , I> suggest U abondon it and refresh your fundamantals of Parashara and> Jaimini..Lala Kitaab can be understood only then...the system is not> meant for road side astrologers as being practiced today by many.. Lal> Kitaab System is

very advanced.... .Only people have a mastery over> Parasara and Jaimini both can take a full grip of it...."//>> My opinion is different. I feel it is "Hawaii Khyaal"of most of the> astrologers. I dont think your sugestion suits me. Just informal> understanding of astronomy and traditional astrology serve thepurpose.>> "//The Jataka at present has completed 34 years of age. She has just> finished her natural time of Mercury and entered into the realm of> Saturn."//> There is no mention of use of this age in the interpretit ion. what do> the mercury age and saturn age did or do to the native. Before asking> this question i was in the opinion that this age factor might be given> in some other system and it might be useful for me if to know that> system.>> From your mail I can judge you have not well versed with Lalkitab. Had> you be,

then you have not dropped Lalkitab in your interpretition by> just mentioning the above rule.> "//If there is a very fine amalgamation of Lal Kitaab and Jaimini.this> is it..."//> My opinion is different. There is not an iota of Jamini in thissystem.> This system is unique in itself. Knowledge of Palmistry and Samudrikis> and additional beneficial in understanding this science.> Dear Shobhana Ji, I am a student of astrology. I always gain too much> from your discussions.> In my opinion every system of astrology is perfact in itself. In> interpretions one should try to stick to analyze with one system only> and apply rules. Using multiple system in one interpretitions maycause> confusions in the mind of students like me.> Thanks for replying.>> Regards> Nirmal>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Shobhana"> shobhana_ms@ wrote:> >> > Dear NK bhardwaj Ji.> >> > from you posts I fully understand what you are studying and talking> > about...> >> > Lala Kitab sytem is fairly advanced and many people do notunderstand> > it .....> >> > The reson is is their lack of understanding of Parashara and> > Jaimini...> >> > Lala Kitaab is the finest amalgamation of the two and someothers....> >> > had U understood the basics U would have never asked about basicages> > and period of planets... If you are not understanding it , I suggest> > U abondon it and refresh your fundamantals of Parashara andJaimini..> >> > Lala

Kitaab can be understood only then...the system is not meantfor> > road side astrologers as being practiced today by many.. Lal Kitaab> > System is very advanced.... .Only people have a mastery over Parasara> > and Jaimini both can take a full grip of it....> >> > Example....> >> > Graha Gyaraha jo ghar men Hoye. Taasir shani wo hota hai> > Asar magar Ghar Usmen Jaata Bhrihaspati Jahan Jo hota Hai....> >> >> > What a beautifull and fundamantal principles.. .> >> > Planets in the eleventh house have or despaly the natural tendencies> > of the Saturn as per the placement of Saturn in thehoroscope... those> > provide results as per the palacement of Saturn ...however the> > effects are to be considred in the house or for the Karakatwa of> > Jupiter or as per palcement of

Jupiter....> >> > Nothing to beat such unfalaible principles.. . Parashari pundits> > deride that and make a of mockery of it without understanding it and> > without realisisng how potent astrological weapon this Lal Kitab can> > be...> >> > If there is a very fine amalgamation of Lal Kitaab and Jaimini...> > this is it...> >> > I challange any one who says it is not... ?????> >> > Regards> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In ancient_indian_ astrology, "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"> > <nirbhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Shobhana Ji,> > > A nice and comprehensive analysis of the native's life indeed. It>

> is> > > a good example for the students like me to follow.> > >> > > "//The Jataka at present has completed 34 years of age. She has> > just> > > finished her natural time of Mercury and entered into the realm of> > > Saturn."//> > > I feel oblige if some light be thrown upon the method of> > calculating> > > the age factor with respect to Mercury & Saturn.> > > Regards> > > Nirmal> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Shobhana"> > > <shobhana_ms@ > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenaadha Ji,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Narayana> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > > With the above prayer I venture into an analysis of the> > horoscope.> > > The> > > > Jataka at present has completed 34 years of age. She has just> > > finished> > > > her natural time of Mercury and entered into the realm ofSaturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From the first look of the horoscope, there is No alpaayu. Forthe> > > > native as six out of nine planets are in Panaphar, Venus, Venus> > Moon> > > > occupies kandra and there is nothing in Apoklima. The clear cut> > out> > > come> > > > is minimum Madhyamaayu. Lord of Lagna, Jupiter also aspects the> > > lagna.> > > > Inspite of Mercury, the lord of Seventh house, exchanging

sign> > with> > > Mars> > > > which has become a Maraka, due to that and other reasons, would> > > make her> > > > attempt on her life from 27 to 34 years of age, there does not> > > appear to> > > > Alpaayu. The triad of PAM, as per Jaimini method, it indicated> > > > madhyamaayu of lower bracket.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Let us now see the Marakas. Lord of the Seventh is Mercury and> > lord> > > of> > > > the second is Saturn. Mercury has shunned the reponsibility by> > > exchange> > > > of sign with fifth lord Mars. Mars otherwise is key planet forthe> > > > ascendent bu being in 7th, aspecting 2nd, having establish> > realion> > > with> > > > lord

of the seventh and 10th, aspecting 10th also, being lord of> > > 12th,> > > > it has become a top class maraka. Saturn being lord of 2nd,> > > aspecting> > > > second, aspecting 10th and aspecting lord of 7th also has becomea> > > > Marka. So we have to deal with two marakas and a strong> > trishadaya> > > lord> > > > Venus located in the fourth.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > For an attempt of suicide, connection between the eight, the> > > lagna or> > > > minimum the third and the eight is necessary. Third is self,> > > > subcounsciousness, self effort, courage, attempt and is Karaka> > for> > > life> > > > being eight of eight. Somehow, if there is connection betweenthe> > >

> fourth, the eight and twelvth withe eighth, it makes apossibility> > > > stronger. The lords of the third of Kalpurusha chart, that is> > > mercury> > > > and its Karak mars also play importnat roles in making one carry> > out> > > > attemts on ones life.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Lord of Lagna and lord of the fourth house here are aspected by> > > lord of> > > > the third house Saturn. Let us also see which planets are nerest> > to> > > the> > > > Mrityu Bhaga, Rahu and Mercury happen to be closet to the Mrityu> > > bhaga> > > > in the Rasi.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The lord of 22nd drekkana is Jupiter occupying lagana in D-3> >

chart.> > > Lord> > > > of the 64th Navamsa from Lagna is Satuen and from the Moon is> > Venus.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > One has to metally weak or giveup and undergo tremendious> > physical> > > odds> > > > to think of ending one life. In the chart Saturn and Mars are> > > troturing> > > > the Moon.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > What is problem with this chart.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The biggest peblem of this chart is two fold:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Two malefics afflicting Merucury and Nantural Putra karaka> > Jupiter> > > in> > > > the fifth

house.> > > >> > > > Fifth house, Jupiter under heavy affliction.> > > >> > > > Mercury under heavy affliction> > > >> > > > And biggest problem, Saturn aspecting Sun.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I am afraid the main problem emantes from the fifth house,> > children,> > > > income of the spouse, his useles friends and lack ofcomaptibilty.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The denager is not to the life of the native but to hermarriage.> > > It is> > > > on rocks, either mishaps intervene otr the courts. I see a big> > > trouble> > > > for the marriage. lord of fifth in seveth is also saying /> > > indicating> > > > the

third angle. It would be fifficult to work out for the> > suvival> > > of> > > > the marriage. Attempts though should be made. Lord of the lagna> > is> > > with> > > > the lord of the seveth house but in inimical fashion. Sun in> > > between can> > > > obly brig bondage. but Ketu is satating that child / son may the> > > issue.> > > > If she has corpluent she needs to reduce the wight. If shethinks> > > her> > > > work and office is end all she needs to change her attidue.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Presently she is undergoing Vimshottary dasa of Jup / Me. Their> > > ralation> > > > has been explained above. Mercury is under pressure of JupSaturn> > > and> > > >

Ketu. Ju is lord of 22nd Drekkana.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In yogini, dasa is of Rahu / Dhanaya (Shankata/ Jupiter) Rahu is> > > > occupying Jupter astar. bothe signifying 22 dreshkonna and> > problems> > > > induced by the love affairs ( 5th house) of the Jupiter (lagan> > > lord ) or> > > > due to lack of son more likely to be later.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Now I will try and finally clinch the issue. She is undergoing,> > > Cancer /> > > > Cancer Rasi dasa period. Perfect Cancer. Cancer is the eightrasi> > > from> > > > her Lagna, that makes her try an attempyt on the life as satuns> > the> > > GK> > > > occupies the Rasi. Cancer also happens to

house Paran pada. No> > other> > > > palnet aspects it. Problems of the family, work, office and> > partner> > > > (love) mount as the Rasi and Satuen aspct A7, A8, A10 and A4 are> > > > associated with Cn Rasi by aspect. This was a real attempt. She> > > needs to> > > > be care full as Dasa Chdra of this Rasi (8th from ascendant)> > will> > > go on> > > > upto Apr 2009. This a double GK dasa and really dangerious.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Next Dasa will be very good and smooth. If the realtion survives> > I> > > am> > > > not sure due to heavy afflictions.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Upaya, if so desired, will to be discussed with the native

only.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards.> > > >> > >> >>