Mundane Astrology and Dasa Systems ??

September 4, 2008

Dear Group,

Goel Ji hase demonstsrated use of Char Dasa (KNR) for outlining events after Independence.

Though applying Dasas for the chart of a nation does give many clues on the state of affiars, however, dasa systems have been derived to fit the maximum possible age or observed avarage ages of humans and not nations. Some of the Dasa systems are based on Juxtaposition of Human Body rythems and activities on kalapurusha based on "Pinde _ Brahmande" notions of unity between the two. Would those things apply on mundane events and life of a nation.

Nevertheless, In the absence of an alternatives, we have to make use of Human Dasa cylicallly for the Nations, test it and see the results. Nothing needs to be proved that gives good results as demonstated by Goel Ji.

On the contrary, use of various forms of Dasa for shorter time Mundane events like the term of a govermnet, terms of the office, in contracted / telescoped forms are in vogue in astrology.

For expample reducing down 36 years cycle of Yogini Dasa to to one year varsh fala chart or five year term of the government. For humans , say leaders it is poosible. Even then there are very dark and gray areas. Yogini Dasa sequencing and the terms allotted to each Yogini have been set to reflect human growth and conditioning. Well, Is the same pattern applicable for a term of the PM or Party in power. It consitutes humans so it may be, but it is a mundate entity too. How can six years of Jupiter but only two years for Moon period be Justified for a Party Chart. Whereas for humans it is ratioanl, it is irrational for a party which will exist for thousand of years or may die down in 10 years only. Party requirement and and growth is not as per human body and mind.

I shall give further illustrations. In Char dasa each rasi lord contibutes a certian amont of age for an individual based on its palcement. This calculations are carried out on certian astronomical basis and is very ratioanl. Can it be telecsoped for five year term of the goverment. Since those astronomical pheneomenas are not and can not be telescoped even in vergas, it may not be rational and reults would not be reflected. If one year of Humans constitues one day of Devas, then why should one year of Human constitute one year for country's life. We all living beings have different time . procreation and living cycles. Uniform time cycle for all leaving being on earth is not uniform. A man has a different time cycle and a dog has different. So such Telecoping exercises, taking years as monts and months as days is good for Prashana. But may not apply for Mundane astrology. It is not my assertion. it is only a minor reasoning. Reason, though, does not work every where.

Others, in the West rely on major Transits and other astromical events. Varmihira, Gargacharya and Puranas are silent on the issue of Dasas for nations. However, they stressed on the internal connection of all the elements that constitues existence. In That they assumed and even laid down age of Bramha, Parajaptties and have devided the time cycles into Yugas and Manvantas primary based on the time or cycles of Equinotical shifts and or Precessional cycles. I have calculated those cycles and shall put up a paper on precessional cycles form Gandant to Ganadant.

For explaining Mundane events transits have to be the major instrumnrts as the transites are not based on human modellings and imaginations. Though the longest Dasa systen of 120 years, the Vimshottary, has been used more extensively. how much sucess it is, I can not say. But there is a reason for advocating this Dasa as the sequencing of the planets and terms of years alloted to each planet has deep astronomical and spirtual meanings. ( It can never be taught any where but by personl reflection and deeper insight) .

My only obseravtion is to apply Vimshottary dasa on India's chart and see what Role and Havoc Rahu has palyed even durings its Parantara Dasas. It was Rahu period when India gave concession over Kasmir in Un, China Invaded Inda etc. Rahu played a role wherein the future geneartions will have to pay the price. The effects will humiliating prolonged and futuraristic.

I do not understand that even if the chosen hush hush astrologers were selecting a Muhurta for Nuhrus Corronation, why did they choose Rahu being in lagana, the worst planet of Nehru.??

I appreciate views of Shri Goel. May I request other learned members to contribute.

Om Namo Narayana.

September 4, 2008

Respected Sir,

I love to read every message posted by you. Can I request you to

increase the font size of the text. It is difficult for me to read

small fonts due to eye problems and of course old age. Appreciate

your kind consideration.

Regards,

bhagavathi

, " Shobhana "

<shobhana_ms wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Goel Ji hase demonstsrated use of Char Dasa (KNR) for outlining

events

> after Independence.

>

> Though applying Dasas for the chart of a nation does give many

clues on

> the state of affiars, however, dasa systems have been derived to

fit the

> maximum possible age or observed avarage ages of humans and not

nations.

> Some of the Dasa systems are based on Juxtaposition of Human Body

> rythems and activities on kalapurusha based on " Pinde _ Brahmande "

> notions of unity between the two. Would those things apply on

mundane

> events and life of a nation.

>

> Nevertheless, In the absence of an alternatives, we have to make

use of

> Human Dasa cylicallly for the Nations, test it and see the results.

> Nothing needs to be proved that gives good results as demonstated by

> Goel Ji.

>

> On the contrary, use of various forms of Dasa for shorter time

Mundane

> events like the term of a govermnet, terms of the office, in

contracted

> / telescoped forms are in vogue in astrology.

>

> For expample reducing down 36 years cycle of Yogini Dasa to to one

year

> varsh fala chart or five year term of the government. For humans ,

say

> leaders it is poosible. Even then there are very dark and gray

areas.

> Yogini Dasa sequencing and the terms allotted to each Yogini have

been

> set to reflect human growth and conditioning. Well, Is the same

pattern

> applicable for a term of the PM or Party in power. It consitutes

humans

> so it may be, but it is a mundate entity too. How can six years of

> Jupiter but only two years for Moon period be Justified for a Party

> Chart. Whereas for humans it is ratioanl, it is irrational for a

party

> which will exist for thousand of years or may die down in 10 years

only.

> Party requirement and and growth is not as per human body and mind.

>

> I shall give further illustrations. In Char dasa each rasi lord

> contibutes a certian amont of age for an individual based on its

> palcement. This calculations are carried out on certian astronomical

> basis and is very ratioanl. Can it be telecsoped for five year term

of

> the goverment. Since those astronomical pheneomenas are not and can

not

> be telescoped even in vergas, it may not be rational and reults

would

> not be reflected. If one year of Humans constitues one day of Devas,

> then why should one year of Human constitute one year for country's

> life. We all living beings have different time . procreation and

living

> cycles. Uniform time cycle for all leaving being on earth is not

> uniform. A man has a different time cycle and a dog has different.

So

> such Telecoping exercises, taking years as monts and months as days

is

> good for Prashana. But may not apply for Mundane astrology. It is

not my

> assertion. it is only a minor reasoning. Reason, though, does not

work

> every where.

>

> Others, in the West rely on major Transits and other astromical

events.

> Varmihira, Gargacharya and Puranas are silent on the issue of Dasas

for

> nations. However, they stressed on the internal connection of all

the

> elements that constitues existence. In That they assumed and even

laid

> down age of Bramha, Parajaptties and have devided the time cycles

into

> Yugas and Manvantas primary based on the time or cycles of

Equinotical

> shifts and or Precessional cycles. I have calculated those cycles

and

> shall put up a paper on precessional cycles form Gandant to

Ganadant.

>

> For explaining Mundane events transits have to be the major

instrumnrts

> as the transites are not based on human modellings and imaginations.

> Though the longest Dasa systen of 120 years, the Vimshottary, has

been

> used more extensively. how much sucess it is, I can not say. But

there

> is a reason for advocating this Dasa as the sequencing of the

planets

> and terms of years alloted to each planet has deep astronomical and

> spirtual meanings. ( It can never be taught any where but by personl

> reflection and deeper insight) .

>

> My only obseravtion is to apply Vimshottary dasa on India's chart

and

> see what Role and Havoc Rahu has palyed even durings its Parantara

> Dasas. It was Rahu period when India gave concession over Kasmir in

Un,

> China Invaded Inda etc. Rahu played a role wherein the future

> geneartions will have to pay the price. The effects will humiliating

> prolonged and futuraristic.

>

> I do not understand that even if the chosen hush hush astrologers

were

> selecting a Muhurta for Nuhrus Corronation, why did they choose Rahu

> being in lagana, the worst planet of Nehru.??

>

> I appreciate views of Shri Goel. May I request other learned

members to

> contribute.

>

> Om Namo Narayana.

>

September 4, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear sobhana ji

if u see all rahu periods under various planetary dasas there was shift frm previous stand of nation to diffrnt mode .but all those cannot b succesfuly takn when we r seeing maha dasa of rahu .

sure indian shift will b a total U turn by this time and a period of some diffrnt confrontations .

but rahu here represents sani ,sun and venus and their combined effect also .( as sanivath rahu ,rahu in sun Nakshatra ,rahu in venus rasi )

but dont take like sani dasa rahu antara period ,this is my humble opinion .

Remebr rahu is very tricky planet ,a planet who can cheat or transform ,also he done every thing for his own Kula ( if u remebr amrita mandan storey ) also rahu eat some amrita ( means some goodness may b inherent in it ) ,so this rahu will b very crucial dasa .where we will take 360dgree shift i blv .

even begining yrs will b testing as rahu and sade sati co incides .

i would like to know scholarly opinions including ur views.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > Dear Group,> > Goel Ji hase demonstsrated use of Char Dasa (KNR) for outlining events> after Independence.> > Though applying Dasas for the chart of a nation does give many clues on> the state of affiars, however, dasa systems have been derived to fit the> maximum possible age or observed avarage ages of humans and not nations.> Some of the Dasa systems are based on Juxtaposition of Human Body> rythems and activities on kalapurusha based on "Pinde _ Brahmande"> notions of unity between the two. Would those things apply on mundane> events and life of a nation.> > Nevertheless, In the absence of an alternatives, we have to make use of> Human Dasa cylicallly for the Nations, test it and see the results.> Nothing needs to be proved that gives good results as demonstated by> Goel Ji.> > On the contrary, use of various forms of Dasa for shorter time Mundane> events like the term of a govermnet, terms of the office, in contracted> / telescoped forms are in vogue in astrology.> > For expample reducing down 36 years cycle of Yogini Dasa to to one year> varsh fala chart or five year term of the government. For humans , say> leaders it is poosible. Even then there are very dark and gray areas.> Yogini Dasa sequencing and the terms allotted to each Yogini have been> set to reflect human growth and conditioning. Well, Is the same pattern> applicable for a term of the PM or Party in power. It consitutes humans> so it may be, but it is a mundate entity too. How can six years of> Jupiter but only two years for Moon period be Justified for a Party> Chart. Whereas for humans it is ratioanl, it is irrational for a party> which will exist for thousand of years or may die down in 10 years only.> Party requirement and and growth is not as per human body and mind.> > I shall give further illustrations. In Char dasa each rasi lord> contibutes a certian amont of age for an individual based on its> palcement. This calculations are carried out on certian astronomical> basis and is very ratioanl. Can it be telecsoped for five year term of> the goverment. Since those astronomical pheneomenas are not and can not> be telescoped even in vergas, it may not be rational and reults would> not be reflected. If one year of Humans constitues one day of Devas,> then why should one year of Human constitute one year for country's> life. We all living beings have different time . procreation and living> cycles. Uniform time cycle for all leaving being on earth is not> uniform. A man has a different time cycle and a dog has different. So> such Telecoping exercises, taking years as monts and months as days is> good for Prashana. But may not apply for Mundane astrology. It is not my> assertion. it is only a minor reasoning. Reason, though, does not work> every where.> > Others, in the West rely on major Transits and other astromical events.> Varmihira, Gargacharya and Puranas are silent on the issue of Dasas for> nations. However, they stressed on the internal connection of all the> elements that constitues existence. In That they assumed and even laid> down age of Bramha, Parajaptties and have devided the time cycles into> Yugas and Manvantas primary based on the time or cycles of Equinotical> shifts and or Precessional cycles. I have calculated those cycles and> shall put up a paper on precessional cycles form Gandant to Ganadant.> > For explaining Mundane events transits have to be the major instrumnrts> as the transites are not based on human modellings and imaginations.> Though the longest Dasa systen of 120 years, the Vimshottary, has been> used more extensively. how much sucess it is, I can not say. But there> is a reason for advocating this Dasa as the sequencing of the planets> and terms of years alloted to each planet has deep astronomical and> spirtual meanings. ( It can never be taught any where but by personl> reflection and deeper insight) .> > My only obseravtion is to apply Vimshottary dasa on India's chart and> see what Role and Havoc Rahu has palyed even durings its Parantara> Dasas. It was Rahu period when India gave concession over Kasmir in Un,> China Invaded Inda etc. Rahu played a role wherein the future> geneartions will have to pay the price. The effects will humiliating> prolonged and futuraristic.> > I do not understand that even if the chosen hush hush astrologers were> selecting a Muhurta for Nuhrus Corronation, why did they choose Rahu> being in lagana, the worst planet of Nehru.??> > I appreciate views of Shri Goel. May I request other learned members to> contribute.> > Om Namo Narayana.>

September 5, 2008

Dear Friends,

Say as an example ,India is a land mass , and in mundane Astrology their are

many

effective Tools to delineate the effects of planetary movements ,omens etc.on

this land mass.

If that land mass is divided in several separate political identities , which

are called nation(s) in present

social context.

Again , their are various and very effective methods and tools to access

mundane charts of

a nation , like Independence , oath taking charts.

The delineation of these chart also require dasa systems These can be divided in

three main categories:

A. Based on Nakashatras- These dasa basically indicate fulfilment of the

aspiration of the Nations and

its natives.

B. Sign dasas - These indicate the resource available to a nation at a given

time.

C. Planetary Dasa periods - Planets act like seed . These dasa indicate the fate

of nation. You

get what you sow.

Off course , Transits will have the last laugh , as they influence the overall

out come , you may adopt

any tool or methodology.