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Neelam ji Yes; why D9 for spouse? I never thought of such a question.Regards,udupaOn Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:46 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Udupa ji,While Goel ji might like to comment on your queries, just thought of clarifying a few points.In order to see the results to be derived from Saptamsha, we should understand the basic purpose of this division and why children are to be seen from saptamsha, and not any division of 5H.

The varga charts have been devised to judge the finer results of a particular bhava, especially in dashas and antars. 7H is kalatra bhava and denotes marriage in a chart. 7H works for the native with support from self effort (3H) and community support (11) to give its results. And all results pertaining to 7H are to be judged thus. Once these 3/11 houses are ready to support the 7H, with dasha also giving the signal, marriage will happen. Children being the central goal of marriage, fall under the 5H which is 11th from 7H.

It should be clearly understood that saptamsha will relate to only those significations of 5H which are connected with 7H. It is division of 7H and not 5H, basically to see how 7H will function in a chart.Parashar has classified the saptamshas into 7 different types, Kshar (pungent alkali), Kshir (Milk), Dadhi (curd), Ajyam (ghee), Ikshu ras (sugarcane juice), Madya (wine) and shuddha jal (water). He has show how to count them and given results of each spatamsha. They give clues to the type of children native is likely to have. (check BPHS for specific results)

It is also said that odd saptamsh rising or occupied by male planets gives male children and even rising/female planets give more female children. Malefics afflicting saptamsh lagna may also deny children. If lagna of D-7 is treated as the self of the child, then other houses could be read in relation to it. But definitely all this should only be studied with the natal chart considering lagna, 5H/L and karak Jupiter.

Saptamsha thus, does not apply to children only. When we talk of entering a business partnership, the formation of this partnership and its progess could also be revealed from saptamsha. We need to make the D-7 lagna as the signification under question and see the possibilities from various houses, of course along with D-9 only. What is not possible in natal chart, cannot be seen in vargas.

Our understanding of vargas is very limited. If we accept the logic that vargas also show the results of a bhava, we find D-3 and D-9 become exceptionally important for the native.D-3 is siblings, but all about self is also derived from D-3 (self is the result of efforts). That is why we see volumes on D-3 including details about the native to be seen D-3.

Similarly for navamsha. Why do we D-9 for spouse? And why so much importance is given to this chart? Just think about it.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Goel ji,While we wait for your comprehensive account, I think some relevant points with reference to the context, and with reference to your earlier mail in the thread would be greatly appreciated.

RegardsNeelam

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dear neelamji,

It was a wonderful explanation. 3rd house in the natal chart plays an important

role in marital life. There was a query posted by a member abt his daughter

facing divorce proceedings. I interacted with the person and he posted the details

of his son -in-law. On casting the chart I found he is a vrichika lagna and 3rd house

saturn in 6th debilitated. I asked the querrant whether his son-in-law has a cruel attitude

and whether he hates his realtives, the querrant reply was positive and he further said

that he was using very abusive language towards his daughter and also towards them.

 

regards,

k.gopu--- On Sun, 8/31/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re:D-7 chart Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:46 PM

 

 

 

Dear Udupa ji,While Goel ji might like to comment on your queries, just thought of clarifying a few points.In order to see the results to be derived from Saptamsha, we should understand the basic purpose of this division and why children are to be seen from saptamsha, and not any division of 5H.The varga charts have been devised to judge the finer results of a particular bhava, especially in dashas and antars. 7H is kalatra bhava and denotes marriage in a chart. 7H works for the native with support from self effort (3H) and community support (11) to give its results. And all results pertaining to 7H are to be judged thus. Once these 3/11 houses are ready to support the 7H, with dasha also giving the signal, marriage will happen. Children being the central goal of marriage, fall under the 5H which is 11th from 7H. It should be clearly understood that saptamsha will relate to only those significations of 5H

which are connected with 7H. It is division of 7H and not 5H, basically to see how 7H will function in a chart.Parashar has classified the saptamshas into 7 different types, Kshar (pungent alkali), Kshir (Milk), Dadhi (curd), Ajyam (ghee), Ikshu ras (sugarcane juice), Madya (wine) and shuddha jal (water). He has show how to count them and given results of each spatamsha. They give clues to the type of children native is likely to have. (check BPHS for specific results)It is also said that odd saptamsh rising or occupied by male planets gives male children and even rising/female planets give more female children. Malefics afflicting saptamsh lagna may also deny children. If lagna of D-7 is treated as the self of the child, then other houses could be read in relation to it. But definitely all this should only be studied with the natal chart considering lagna, 5H/L and karak Jupiter. Saptamsha thus, does not apply to children

only. When we talk of entering a business partnership, the formation of this partnership and its progess could also be revealed from saptamsha. We need to make the D-7 lagna as the signification under question and see the possibilities from various houses, of course along with D-9 only. What is not possible in natal chart, cannot be seen in vargas.Our understanding of vargas is very limited. If we accept the logic that vargas also show the results of a bhava, we find D-3 and D-9 become exceptionally important for the native.D-3 is siblings, but all about self is also derived from D-3 (self is the result of efforts). That is why we see volumes on D-3 including details about the native to be seen D-3.Similarly for navamsha. Why do we D-9 for spouse? And why so much importance is given to this chart? Just think about it.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Goel ji thanks for your efforts for group...... i always wait for your refined and practical mails..regardAmit puri2008/8/31 Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear group members,

D-7 is a bit complicated chart.

I will try to write a comprehensive article to the

best of my ability for the benefit of group.

After that you may draw your conclusions and develop it further.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Sent: Sunday, 31 August, 2008 2:46:02 PM Re:D-7 chart

 

 

 

Dear Udupa ji,While Goel ji might like to comment on your queries, just thought of clarifying a few points.In order to see the results to be derived from Saptamsha, we should understand the basic purpose of this division and why children are to be seen from saptamsha, and not any division of 5H.

The varga charts have been devised to judge the finer results of a particular bhava, especially in dashas and antars. 7H is kalatra bhava and denotes marriage in a chart. 7H works for the native with support from self effort (3H) and community support (11) to give its results. And all results pertaining to 7H are to be judged thus. Once these 3/11 houses are ready to support the 7H, with dasha also giving the signal, marriage will happen. Children being the central goal of marriage, fall under the 5H which is 11th from 7H.

It should be clearly understood that saptamsha will relate to only those significations of 5H

which are connected with 7H. It is division of 7H and not 5H, basically to see how 7H will function in a chart.Parashar has classified the saptamshas into 7 different types, Kshar (pungent alkali), Kshir (Milk), Dadhi (curd), Ajyam (ghee), Ikshu ras (sugarcane juice), Madya (wine) and shuddha jal (water). He has show how to count them and given results of each spatamsha. They give clues to the type of children native is likely to have. (check BPHS for specific results)

It is also said that odd saptamsh rising or occupied by male planets gives male children and even rising/female planets give more female children. Malefics afflicting saptamsh lagna may also deny children. If lagna of D-7 is treated as the self of the child, then other houses could be read in relation to it. But definitely all this should only be studied with the natal chart considering lagna, 5H/L and karak Jupiter.

Saptamsha thus, does not apply to children

only. When we talk of entering a business partnership, the formation of this partnership and its progess could also be revealed from saptamsha. We need to make the D-7 lagna as the signification under question and see the possibilities from various houses, of course along with D-9 only. What is not possible in natal chart, cannot be seen in vargas.

Our understanding of vargas is very limited. If we accept the logic that vargas also show the results of a bhava, we find D-3 and D-9 become exceptionally important for the native.D-3 is siblings, but all about self is also derived from D-3 (self is the result of efforts). That is why we see volumes on D-3 including details about the native to be seen D-3.

Similarly for navamsha. Why do we D-9 for spouse? And why so much importance is given to this chart? Just think about it.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelam ji,

I shall return to the subject shortly.

Best regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sunday, 31 August, 2008 6:38:07 PMRe: Re:D-7 chart

 

 

Dear Goel ji,While we wait for your comprehensive account, I think some relevant points with reference to the context, and with reference to your earlier mail in the thread would be greatly appreciated. RegardsNeelam

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