Horoscopes of Twins- Results according to Zodiac Degrees

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Dear Mr. Liana,

Saint Caharubel has given the result based on Zodiac degree.

This book is with me. Are degrees based on Sidereal or Tropical Zodiac?

In ancient days , zodiac signs were probably  based on stellar positions.

I get encouraging results based on Citra (Spica 16 ) star.

What is your experience?

Regards ,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Wednesday, 20 August, 2008 10:34:41 PM

Re: Horoscopes of Twins

 

 

Dear Liana,

Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very

much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they

undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them.

The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain

same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system.  The

Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast.

But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also

effect the same in Indian system.

But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing

in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty .

Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is

a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within

small difference of birth times.

The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which

moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in

the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins.

I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on

the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two

nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I

have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good

help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or

not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly.

The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was

a born seer and a clairvoyant.  This book was first published in 1898.

I am just giving a small example below of 2 births.

Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees

Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant

that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy

amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos.

Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees

A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have

to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. 

You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and

another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to

search for smaller divisions.

Bhaskaran.

 

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " <blulisan

wrote:

>

> Dear Baskaran ji, dear All,

>

> On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i

> think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting

> twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found

> and something interesting.

>

> I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of

> the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS,

> DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use

> planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and

> so as degrees between planets.

>

> Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered

> beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in

> the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven),

> and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part,

> considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru).

> There are other possibilities to check the difference between the

> 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the

> differences.

> I hope it helps.

> Love and kind Regards,

>

> Liana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> rajiventerprises@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Liana,

> >

> > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the

> > same.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskaran.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan "

> > <blulisan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the

> > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i

> > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because

> > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments!

> > > Thank you!

> > >

> > > Liana

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi

> > > trivedi20@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his

> > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa

> > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like?

> > > >

> > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990

> > > >

> > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST

> > > > Younger 19.03 IST

> > > >

> > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N

> > > > Longitude 077.30 E

> > > >

> > > > D D TRIVEDI

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

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Dear Mr. Liana,

Saint Caharubel has given the result based on Zodiac degree.

This book is with me. Are degrees based on Sidereal or Tropical Zodiac?

In ancient days , zodiac signs were probably based on stellar positions.

I get encouraging results based on Citra (Spica 16 ) star.

What is your experience?

Regards ,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Sent: Wednesday, 20 August, 2008 10:34:41 PM Re: Horoscopes of Twins

 

 

Dear Liana,

Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them.

The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast.

But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system.

But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times.

The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins.

I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly.

The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898.

I am just giving a small example below of 2 births.

Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees

Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos.

Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees

A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel.

You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions.

Bhaskaran.

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "blulisan" <blulisan wrote:>> Dear Baskaran ji, dear All,> > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i> think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting> twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found> and something interesting.> > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of> the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS,> DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use> planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and> so as degrees between planets.> > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered> beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in> the second. The

aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven),> and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part,> considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru).> There are other possibilities to check the difference between the> 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the> differences.> I hope it helps. > Love and kind Regards,> > Liana> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Liana,> > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the> > same.> > > > regards/Bhaskaran.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "blulisan"> > <blulisan@>

wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the> > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i> > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because> > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments!> > > Thank you!> > >> > > Liana> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi> > > trivedi20@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > >> > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his> > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa> > > chart

also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like?> > > >> > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990> > > >> > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST> > > > Younger 19.03 IST> > > >> > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N> > > > Longitude 077.30 E> > > >> > > > D D TRIVEDI> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Mr.G.K Goel,As i know some western astrologers use the CHARUBEL (http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/2WN5V594Q6SC.htm ) symbols for the degrees of planets and angle of the charts, and as i know there are for the tropical degrees (western system), but most used by the westerns astrologers, and also included in some western astrology softwares (reports-interpretations) are the SABIAN symbols. The Sabian symbols were produced in 1925 by clairvoyant Elsie Wheeler, and they are the most popularly used set of degree symbols today. They symbolic of the meaning of each degree of the zodiac.I am giving a site below where one interested in Charubel Symbols can read few details.( http://healing.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya & sdn=healing & cdn=religion & tm=19 & f=00 & tt=14 & bt=1 & bts=1 & zu=http%3A//www.sabian.org/ssorigin.htm )I am not so much sure if there is any connection between these types of symbols and Fixed stars, i can say only i don't use them very much in charts readings, but each one is free to use what resonates to him/her. The goal is to have good results, to give good explanations and help the querent in his/her issues.The conjunction of the Fixed stars to planets or angles of the chart is another issue and it is better to not mix these. Here we can talk about Parans which i find more interesting []If there is anything i can help, please let me know and according to my knowledge i will be honored to reply.Love and kind Regards,Liana , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Liana,> Saint Caharubel has given the result based on Zodiac degree.> This book is with me. Are degrees based on Sidereal or Tropical Zodiac?> In ancient days , zodiac signs were probably based on stellar positions.> I get encouraging results based on Citra (Spica 16 ) star.> What is your experience?> Regards ,> > Â> G.K.GOEL> > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Wednesday, 20 August, 2008 10:34:41 PM> Re: Horoscopes of Twins>

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Dear Liana,

Many thanks for information provided by you.

Both Indian and Western astrologers are giving same characteristics to signs , same may be true

for degrees also.

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

blulisan <blulisan Sent: Thursday, 21 August, 2008 5:59:28 PM Re: Horoscopes of Twins- Results according to Zodiac Degrees

 

Dear Mr.G.K Goel,As i know some western astrologers use the CHARUBEL (http://www.astrothe me.fr/en/ portraits/ 2WN5V594Q6SC. htm ) symbols for the degrees of planets and angle of the charts, and as i know there are for the tropical degrees (western system), but most used by the westerns astrologers, and also included in some western astrology softwares (reports-interpreta tions) are the SABIAN symbols. The Sabian symbols were produced in 1925 by clairvoyant Elsie Wheeler, and they are the most popularly used set of degree symbols today. They symbolic of the meaning of each degree of the zodiac.I am giving a site below where one interested in Charubel Symbols can read few details.( http://healing. about.com/ gi/dynamic/ offsite.htm? zi=1/XJ/Ya & sdn=healing & cdn=religion & tm=19 & f=00 & tt=14 & bt=1 & bts=1 & zu=http%3A// www.sabian. org/ssorigin. htm )I am not so much sure if there is any connection between these types of symbols and Fixed stars, i can say only i don't use them very much in charts readings, but each one is free to use what resonates to him/her. The goal is to have good results, to give good explanations and help the querent in his/her issues.The conjunction of the Fixed stars to planets or angles of the chart is another issue and it is better to not mix these. Here we can talk about Parans which i find more interesting []If there is anything i can help,

please let me know and according to my knowledge i will be honored to reply.Love and kind Regards,Lianaancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Mr. Liana,> Saint Caharubel has given the result based on Zodiac degree.> This book is with me. Are degrees based on Sidereal or Tropical Zodiac?> In ancient days , zodiac signs were probably based on stellar positions.> I get encouraging results based on Citra (Spica 16 ) star.> What is your experience?> Regards ,> > Â> G.K.GOEL> > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 20 August, 2008 10:34:41 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Horoscopes of

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