Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found and something interesting. I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and so as degrees between planets. Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). There are other possibilities to check the difference between the 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the differences. I hope it helps. Love and kind Regards, Liana , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear Liana, > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > same. > > regards/Bhaskaran. , " blulisan " > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > Thank you! > > > > Liana > > > > , dushyant trivedi > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Dear Liana, Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. Bhaskaran. , "blulisan" <blulisan wrote:>> Dear Baskaran ji, dear All,> > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i> think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting> twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found> and something interesting.> > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of> the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS,> DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use> planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and> so as degrees between planets.> > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered> beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in> the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven),> and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part,> considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru).> There are other possibilities to check the difference between the> 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the> differences.> I hope it helps. > Love and kind Regards,> > Liana> > , "Bhaskar"> rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Liana,> > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the> > same.> > > > regards/Bhaskaran.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "blulisan"> > <blulisan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the> > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i> > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because> > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments!> > > Thank you!> > >> > > Liana> > >> > > , dushyant trivedi> > > trivedi20@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > >> > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his> > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa> > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like?> > > >> > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990> > > >> > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST> > > > Younger 19.03 IST> > > >> > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N> > > > Longitude 077.30 E> > > >> > > > D D TRIVEDI> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji, I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth. If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better. D D Trivedi --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Horoscopes of Twins Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM Dear Liana, Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. Bhaskaran. ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " <blulisan wrote: > > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, > > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found > and something interesting. > > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and > so as degrees between planets. > > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the > differences. > I hope it helps. > Love and kind Regards, > > Liana > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > > same. > > > > regards/Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " > > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > > Thank you! > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi > > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Dushyantji, What made you think that their future is not bright ? Who told you so ? Both the twins would do vey well in their respective careers which may be the same after all. But in at least 3 antardashas results may not be identical with reference to the studies, relations to mother, and happiness of Home, and happiness of vehichle. But Why ? There are at leat 3 planets connected to Venus in both these charts. And whenever they operate, the changes would be seen. This planet which brings about the changes is Venus. For the elder twin Venus represents the 6th,3rd,4th and the 8th house, while for the younger twin, Venus represents the same houses minus the 4th house. The 4th house also stands for education, mother and vehicles, and domestic bliss. In the elder son Venus becomes additionally the owner of 4th house due to intercepted sign while in the younger twins chart, it remains owner of only the 3rd and the 8th house. These both children will be doing very well professionally when Jupiter Mahadasha comes in and will make name, fame and money all. The Major differences in their Life styles would appear when The Saturn Mahadasha arrives in year 2029 when their ages would be around 40 as Saturn is in the constellation owned by Venus and since both have simultanous same periods running, the planet Venus would bring about a major change in their Life styles, in that period. At the moment too, You are noticing the change in their education since Venus antardasha is running for both of them. I dont care much for education, as long as they are able to fend for themselves, which they would do very well, as You will see, in just few years time. Now if you are the father of these twins then i expect a good prize from you for spending my morning in studying their charts and giving you a good report for their Professional career ahead from 2013 onwards. regards, bhaskaran. , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji,> > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth.> > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better.> > D D Trivedi> > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:> > Bhaskar rajiventerprises Re: Horoscopes of Twins> > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM> > > Dear Liana,> Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them.> The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast.> But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system.> But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times.> The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins.> I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly.> The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898.> I am just giving a small example below of 2 births.> Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees> Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos.> Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees> A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions.> Bhaskaran.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "blulisan" blulisan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All,> >> > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i> > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting> > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found> > and something interesting.> >> > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of> > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS,> > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use> > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and> > so as degrees between planets.> >> > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered> > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in> > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven),> > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part,> > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru).> > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the> > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the> > differences.> > I hope it helps.> > Love and kind Regards,> >> > Liana> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Liana,> > >> > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the> > > same.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskaran.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "blulisan"> > > <blulisan@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the> > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i> > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because> > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments!> > > > Thank you!> > > >> > > > Liana> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi> > > > trivedi20@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > >> > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his> > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa> > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like?> > > > >> > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990> > > > >> > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST> > > > > Younger 19.03 IST> > > > >> > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N> > > > > Longitude 077.30 E> > > > >> > > > > D D TRIVEDI> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Dushyantji, Since their future is bright, now you may please let me know in light of this new revelation, whether you need remedies or not, for these twins. I would prefer that one must pray to God even when he is running a good time and thank Him for all what is possessed in plenty. Bhaskaran. , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji,> > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth.> > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better.> > D D Trivedi> > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:> > Bhaskar rajiventerprises Re: Horoscopes of Twins> > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM> > > Dear Liana,> Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them.> The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast.> But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system.> But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times.> The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins.> I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly.> The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898.> I am just giving a small example below of 2 births.> Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees> Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos.> Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees> A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions.> Bhaskaran.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "blulisan" blulisan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All,> >> > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i> > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting> > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found> > and something interesting.> >> > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of> > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS,> > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use> > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and> > so as degrees between planets.> >> > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered> > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in> > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven),> > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part,> > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru).> > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the> > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the> > differences.> > I hope it helps.> > Love and kind Regards,> >> > Liana> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Liana,> > >> > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the> > > same.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskaran.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "blulisan"> > > <blulisan@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the> > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i> > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because> > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments!> > > > Thank you!> > > >> > > > Liana> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi> > > > trivedi20@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > >> > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his> > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa> > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like?> > > > >> > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990> > > > >> > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST> > > > > Younger 19.03 IST> > > > >> > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N> > > > > Longitude 077.30 E> > > > >> > > > > D D TRIVEDI> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Mr. Bharkaran, First and foremost let me inform you that the twins are not my children. They are sons of my closwest friend and we were worried since one of them failed. With your reading I am certain that my friend will be pleased. Regarding the prize I am sure something willl be there. I am at present out of station and will be back in Mumbai on 28th Aug 2008. I shall contact you then. D D Trivedi --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Horoscopes of Twins Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:31 AM Dear Dushyantji, What made you think that their future is not bright ? Who told you so ? Both the twins would do vey well in their respective careers which may be the same after all. But in at least 3 antardashas results may not be identical with reference to the studies, relations to mother, and happiness of Home, and happiness of vehichle. But Why ? There are at leat 3 planets connected to Venus in both these charts. And whenever they operate, the changes would be seen. This planet which brings about the changes is Venus. For the elder twin Venus represents the 6th,3rd,4th and the 8th house, while for the younger twin, Venus represents the same houses minus the 4th house. The 4th house also stands for education, mother and vehicles, and domestic bliss. In the elder son Venus becomes additionally the owner of 4th house due to intercepted sign while in the younger twins chart, it remains owner of only the 3rd and the 8th house. These both children will be doing very well professionally when Jupiter Mahadasha comes in and will make name, fame and money all. The Major differences in their Life styles would appear when The Saturn Mahadasha arrives in year 2029 when their ages would be around 40 as Saturn is in the constellation owned by Venus and since both have simultanous same periods running, the planet Venus would bring about a major change in their Life styles, in that period. At the moment too, You are noticing the change in their education since Venus antardasha is running for both of them. I dont care much for education, as long as they are able to fend for themselves, which they would do very well, as You will see, in just few years time. Now if you are the father of these twins then i expect a good prize from you for spending my morning in studying their charts and giving you a good report for their Professional career ahead from 2013 onwards. regards, bhaskaran. ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji, > > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth. > > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better. > > D D Trivedi > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Horoscopes of Twins > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM > > > Dear Liana, > Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. > The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. > But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. > But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. > The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. > I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. > The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. > I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. > Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees > Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. > Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees > A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " blulisan@ wrote: > > > > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, > > > > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i > > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting > > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found > > and something interesting. > > > > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of > > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, > > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use > > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and > > so as degrees between planets. > > > > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered > > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in > > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), > > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, > > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). > > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the > > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the > > differences. > > I hope it helps. > > Love and kind Regards, > > > > Liana > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > > > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > > > same. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " > > > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi > > > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Trivediji Pranam your exaomple is quite interesting well i shall refer to elder twin as T1 and younger twin as T2 since you are perplexed as the navamsa being same how did one failed while other passed with A division. when the question is of education let me ask are twins studying eng. subject?. i was analysing the charts thru unpublished technique. i fell T1's interest should be in Technical/engineering subject where as T2's interest should be in medical subject's. now what subject they are persuing is imp if both in technical/eng than T1 shall do better than T2. only if T2 is given oppurtunity in medical subject's hopefully he will get better desireable result's kindly give feedback Thanks Amit Desai - -- In , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: > > Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji, > > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth. > > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better. > > D D Trivedi > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises > Re: Horoscopes of Twins > > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM > > > Dear Liana, > Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. > The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. > But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. > But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. > The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. > I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. > The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. > I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. > Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees > Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. > Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees > A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, > > > > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i > > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting > > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found > > and something interesting. > > > > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of > > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, > > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use > > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and > > so as degrees between planets. > > > > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered > > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in > > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), > > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, > > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). > > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the > > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the > > differences. > > I hope it helps. > > Love and kind Regards, > > > > Liana > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > > > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > > > same. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " > > > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi > > > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Dushyantji, You are welcome to contact me any time, but dont bother about the prize. I was just joking . I am doing this daily at least for 5 charts without any prizes or fees, as a self service which gives me contentment, sense of sharing and also blessings from the one whom I impart . Bhaskaran. , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Bharkaran, > > First and foremost let me inform you that the twins are not my children. They are sons of my closwest friend and we were worried since one of them failed. > > With your reading I am certain that my friend will be pleased. > > Regarding the prize I am sure something willl be there. I am at present out of station and will be back in Mumbai on 28th Aug 2008. I shall contact you then. > > D D Trivedi > > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Re: Horoscopes of Twins > > Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:31 AM > > Dear Dushyantji, > What made you think that their future is not bright ? Who told you so ? > Both the twins would do vey well in their respective careers which may be the same after all. But in at least 3 antardashas results may not be identical with reference to the studies, relations to mother, and happiness of Home, and happiness of vehichle. But Why ? > There are at leat 3 planets connected to Venus in both these charts. And whenever they operate, the changes would be seen. This planet which brings about the changes is Venus. > For the elder twin Venus represents the 6th,3rd,4th and the 8th house, while for the younger twin, Venus represents the same houses minus the 4th house. The 4th house also stands for education, mother and vehicles, and domestic bliss. In the elder son Venus becomes additionally the owner of 4th house due to intercepted sign while in the younger twins chart, it remains owner of only the 3rd and the 8th house. > These both children will be doing very well professionally when Jupiter Mahadasha comes in and will make name, fame and money all. The Major differences in their Life styles would appear when The Saturn Mahadasha arrives in year 2029 when their ages would be around 40 as Saturn is in the constellation owned by Venus and since both have simultanous same periods running, the planet Venus would bring about a major change in their Life styles, in that period. > At the moment too, You are noticing the change in their education since Venus antardasha is running for both of them. > I dont care much for education, as long as they are able to fend for themselves, which they would do very well, as You will see, in just few years time. > Now if you are the father of these twins then i expect a good prize from you for spending my morning in studying their charts and giving you a good report for their Professional career ahead from 2013 onwards. > regards, > bhaskaran. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji, > > > > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth. > > > > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better. > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ... wrote: > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Horoscopes of Twins > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. > > The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. > > But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. > > But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. > > The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. > > I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. > > The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. > > I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. > > Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees > > Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. > > Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees > > A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. > > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " blulisan@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, > > > > > > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i > > > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting > > > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found > > > and something interesting. > > > > > > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of > > > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, > > > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use > > > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and > > > so as degrees between planets. > > > > > > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered > > > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in > > > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), > > > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, > > > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). > > > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the > > > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the > > > differences. > > > I hope it helps. > > > Love and kind Regards, > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > > > > > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " > > > > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi > > > > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Dushyantji, Namaste. I did not feel it important yesterday to tell you, but I fel i must do it today, in case any wrong decesio is taken by the parents of the twins. Both boys are best fit for any vocation and career related to Finance, Stock Markets, MBA, business managment and any stream of Commerce. Even if they are put in any other stream, ultimatly they will come in Finance line only, ( Or Sports related ),You can record this Post for future. best wishes, Bhaskaran. , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Bharkaran, > > First and foremost let me inform you that the twins are not my children. They are sons of my closwest friend and we were worried since one of them failed. > > With your reading I am certain that my friend will be pleased. > > Regarding the prize I am sure something willl be there. I am at present out of station and will be back in Mumbai on 28th Aug 2008. I shall contact you then. > > D D Trivedi > > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Re: Horoscopes of Twins > > Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:31 AM > > Dear Dushyantji, > What made you think that their future is not bright ? Who told you so ? > Both the twins would do vey well in their respective careers which may be the same after all. But in at least 3 antardashas results may not be identical with reference to the studies, relations to mother, and happiness of Home, and happiness of vehichle. But Why ? > There are at leat 3 planets connected to Venus in both these charts. And whenever they operate, the changes would be seen. This planet which brings about the changes is Venus. > For the elder twin Venus represents the 6th,3rd,4th and the 8th house, while for the younger twin, Venus represents the same houses minus the 4th house. The 4th house also stands for education, mother and vehicles, and domestic bliss. In the elder son Venus becomes additionally the owner of 4th house due to intercepted sign while in the younger twins chart, it remains owner of only the 3rd and the 8th house. > These both children will be doing very well professionally when Jupiter Mahadasha comes in and will make name, fame and money all. The Major differences in their Life styles would appear when The Saturn Mahadasha arrives in year 2029 when their ages would be around 40 as Saturn is in the constellation owned by Venus and since both have simultanous same periods running, the planet Venus would bring about a major change in their Life styles, in that period. > At the moment too, You are noticing the change in their education since Venus antardasha is running for both of them. > I dont care much for education, as long as they are able to fend for themselves, which they would do very well, as You will see, in just few years time. > Now if you are the father of these twins then i expect a good prize from you for spending my morning in studying their charts and giving you a good report for their Professional career ahead from 2013 onwards. > regards, > bhaskaran. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji, > > > > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth. > > > > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better. > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ... wrote: > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Horoscopes of Twins > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. > > The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. > > But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. > > But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. > > The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. > > I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. > > The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. > > I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. > > Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees > > Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. > > Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees > > A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. > > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " blulisan@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, > > > > > > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i > > > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting > > > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found > > > and something interesting. > > > > > > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of > > > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, > > > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use > > > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and > > > so as degrees between planets. > > > > > > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered > > > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in > > > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), > > > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, > > > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). > > > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the > > > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the > > > differences. > > > I hope it helps. > > > Love and kind Regards, > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > > > > > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " > > > > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi > > > > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Amit Desai, The twins appeared in their 'A' Level exam which is conducted by Cambridge. It is equivalent to our 12th but the curriculum is much tougher. D D Trivedi --- On Thu, 8/21/08, amitwho <amitwho wrote: amitwho <amitwho Re: Horoscopes of Twins Thursday, August 21, 2008, 9:31 PM Trivediji Pranam your exaomple is quite interesting well i shall refer to elder twin as T1 and younger twin as T2 since you are perplexed as the navamsa being same how did one failed while other passed with A division. when the question is of education let me ask are twins studying eng. subject?. i was analysing the charts thru unpublished technique. i fell T1's interest should be in Technical/engineeri ng subject where as T2's interest should be in medical subject's. now what subject they are persuing is imp if both in technical/eng than T1 shall do better than T2. only if T2 is given oppurtunity in medical subject's hopefully he will get better desireable result's kindly give feedback Thanks Amit Desai - -- In ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Bhaskaran, Liana and Shri Goelji, > > I am really happy to ignite the fire for research in the case of twins example given. Would request the learned members to really throw light on the education of these twins hence forth. > > If the future is not bright then would request to suggest the remedial measures if any so that they can atleast be able to make their life little better. > > D D Trivedi > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ ...> wrote: > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Horoscopes of Twins > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:34 PM > > > Dear Liana, > Yes that is a good attempt on the part of westerners I agree, and they are very much research oriented and painstakingly go ahead in their studies whatever they undertake, without doubt, which quality I much appreciate in them. > The sextiles, oppostions, conjunctions , and all degreecal aspects would remain same, with respect to the degrees whether in Western or the Indian system. The Part of fortuna also will not change sign very fast. > But whatever changes are effectd within the degrees in Western, would also effect the same in Indian system. > But herein lies the major difference of approach which has hitherto been missing in the the Indian astrologers community before the advent of Nakshatra padhaty . Though the divisional charts were always exisitng ( Charts or amsa ) , yet it is a gigantic task for he traditional to demarcate the differences in twins within small difference of birth times. > The key lies in degreecal changes both on the ascendant as well as the MC, which moves the fastest in the day, more faster than the planet Moon, which brings in the difference between the results one notices in the Life of two twins. > I will not elaborate, because this will takemuch space, but am sure you are on the right path and would begun to take this the way it must be, to asses two nativities born in the same time period vis a visa differnce of few minutes. I have my own system in negotiating this, but the Westerners too have a very good help in he form of a book, which i am not sure whether you have come across or not, which will show you the difference quite distinctly. > The Books name is " The Degrees of the Zodiac symbolised " by Caharubel who was a born seer and a clairvoyant. This book was first published in 1898. > I am just giving a small example below of 2 births. > Birth in capricorn Ascendant 5 degrees > Denotes one whose native powers and mental resources are so great and abundant that the native will be independent of external aids, and will feel ever happy amid the offspring of his own genius. Further such persons ar creatos. > Birth in Capricorn Ascendant 6 degrees > A person of dangerous proclivities, unfortunate to those with whom he may have to do, selfish, crafty and cruel. > You see the difference in 4 minutes of birth time, one becomes a creator, and another a destroyer. The MC changes would bring in more effects if one wishes to search for smaller divisions. > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Baskaran ji, dear All, > > > > On the topic of twins western astrology has less explanations and i > > think each western astrologer use his/her experience in interpreting > > twins charts. I will not insist on this, i will only say what i found > > and something interesting. > > > > I just compared the charts of the twins.Westerners use the degrees of > > the planets in charts, especially for the 4 points of the charts (AS, > > DC, MC, IC- meaning the cusps of the houses 1,4,7,10). We also use > > planetary aspects as trines, sextiles, oppositions, conjunctions and > > so as degrees between planets. > > > > Well the difference between the 2 charts are some aspects, considered > > beneficial, and these are present only in the first chart, but not in > > the second. The aspects i mentioned are : moon sextile MC (midheaven), > > and 2 interesting aspects between Pars Fortune ( arabic part, > > considered as wealth point), sextile to NN (Rahu) and Jupiter (Guru). > > There are other possibilities to check the difference between the > > 2charts and one can use also Sabian Symbols for understanding the > > differences. > > I hope it helps. > > Love and kind Regards, > > > > Liana > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Liana, > > > > > > Please do share what you have discovered. We too can learn from the > > > same. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " blulisan " > > > <blulisan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mr. T T Trivedi asked a nice question [] I am very curious how the > > > > learned members will explain. Personally i checked the charts and i > > > > found a possible reply, but i can not share this here and now because > > > > we are on an Jyotish group...it is good to make such experiments! > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi > > > > trivedi20@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > I am giving the birth data of Twins. One of them has passed his > > > > 'A' Level and the other has failed. There is no difference in Navamsa > > > > chart also. Hence the querry. Why? What would be there future like? > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth : 3rd Sept 1990 > > > > > > > > > > Time of birth : Elder 18.58 IST > > > > > Younger 19.03 IST > > > > > > > > > > Place : Nagercoil Latitude 008.11 N > > > > > Longitude 077.30 E > > > > > > > > > > D D TRIVEDI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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