Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear All, I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana - Lagna - Aries 1st House - Sun 2nd House - Mercury 4th House - Jupiter, Moon 5th House - Ketu 7th House - Saturn 10th House - Mars 11th House - Rahu 12th House - Venus What is the source of this data? When it the time period at which this planetary position is possible? Any idea? Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear sreenadh ji This is a bogus chart ,as it is almost a replica of Lord rams chart with nodes in diffrnt house .I think in lord rams chart the nodes are in sagitarious gemini axis with rahu in sagitarious .so there is 2 possibilities ,one is ravan is elder to ram by max 3 to 4 yrs again jupiter and sani cant sit there with such possibility or it will take 1000s of years to get this planetary position .So again impossible and those who argue that Ravan lived for 1000s of yrs then let them tell me how vimshottary dasa is applicable in his chart . again this chart dont reveal such a brutal personality painted by puranas ,see all kendras and konas .also see all trikon Lords exalted and in best position ,almost good 4th house ,a man with mission than a womaniser . rest we can tell if we know navamsa positions This chart is discussed in many phsudo astro grps who thinks talking abt superfluous spirituality is all waht is astrology .And many ppl thinking that this guys are epithome of spirituality ,But every body shud think that ritualistics are easy ppl who after ur pockets and miseries than can help u in reality .if some one cant identify a chart then how can they refer remedies what is their basis ,Simply recommending some manras or chants do u need some astrologers or why cant u get that benefit if u r regular in poojas and things .Do u accept a doctor prescribing medicines without knwoing discease . Any way let god bless them ,so this chart is also brain child of those ppl who killed astro in India many times in the name rituals than interested in sastra or scientific basis .As it is a easy game .Easy to fool comman ppl .Even they will feel a learned astrologer is threat to them . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana -> Lagna - Aries> 1st House - Sun> 2nd House - Mercury> 4th House - Jupiter, Moon> 5th House - Ketu> 7th House - Saturn> 10th House - Mars> 11th House - Rahu> 12th House - Venus> > What is the source of this data? When it the time period at which> this planetary position is possible? Any idea?> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Hare rama krishna Respected bhaskar ji Again where we can fix the yr of birth with respect Lord rams chart as the planetary possision s are similar and only merc and moon is changed shows few days ahead or 1000s of yrs ahead ?? This also a bogus chart ,By product of charlans who dont want to learn astro in real way or dont know it realy . but acting Mr .know alls . with regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > I have the following Horoscope of Ravana , in possession.> > Lagna Libra.> > Planetary positions-> > Moon and Saturn in Libra. Mars in Capricorn. Venus and Mercury in> Pisces. Sun in Aries, and Jupiter in cancer. Rahu and Ketu positions are> missing.> > Dont know its origin or authenticty and have never studied it till date.> But from where have you got the details which you mentioned ?> > regards,> > Bhaskaran.> > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana -> > Lagna - Aries> > 1st House - Sun> > 2nd House - Mercury> > 4th House - Jupiter, Moon> > 5th House - Ketu> > 7th House - Saturn> > 10th House - Mars> > 11th House - Rahu> > 12th House - Venus> >> > What is the source of this data? When it the time period at which> > this planetary position is possible? Any idea?> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, This may not be the right chart, but I dont know really. It has come from a co-Principal of the Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan , who is a Astrologer and a Professor too, in both Sayana and Nirayana astrology and aged about 70.. I dont care to discuss about VIP charts so never asked him from where did he get these details. best wishes. Bhaskaran. , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna> > Respected bhaskar ji> > > > Again where we can fix the yr of birth with respect Lord rams chart> as the planetary possision s are similar and only merc and moon is> changed shows few days ahead or 1000s of yrs ahead ??> > This also a bogus chart ,By product of charlans who dont want to learn> astro in real way or dont know it realy .> > but acting Mr .know alls .> > > > with regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > I have the following Horoscope of Ravana , in possession.> >> > Lagna Libra.> >> > Planetary positions-> >> > Moon and Saturn in Libra. Mars in Capricorn. Venus and Mercury in> > Pisces. Sun in Aries, and Jupiter in cancer. Rahu and Ketu positions> are> > missing.> >> > Dont know its origin or authenticty and have never studied it till> date.> > But from where have you got the details which you mentioned ?> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskaran.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana -> > > Lagna - Aries> > > 1st House - Sun> > > 2nd House - Mercury> > > 4th House - Jupiter, Moon> > > 5th House - Ketu> > > 7th House - Saturn> > > 10th House - Mars> > > 11th House - Rahu> > > 12th House - Venus> > >> > > What is the source of this data? When it the time period at which> > > this planetary position is possible? Any idea?> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Hare rama krishna respected bhaskar ji My exprnce says all grandpas in astrology demands respect and dont like any body question them ,if u do they will label u as u r against their paramapara this and that .I had this exprnce many time when even i question some of their pet theorys . even i can accept Ravan was 10000yrs older than Lord ram ,but then how vimdasa or any dasa is applicable ??if applicable how they progress it after the alloted yrs ??? regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > This may not be the right chart, but I dont know really. It has come> from a co-Principal of the Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan , who is a Astrologer> and a Professor too, in both Sayana and Nirayana astrology and aged> about 70..> > I dont care to discuss about VIP charts so never asked him from where> did he get these details.> > best wishes.> > Bhaskaran.> > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > Respected bhaskar ji> >> >> >> > Again where we can fix the yr of birth with respect Lord rams chart> > as the planetary possision s are similar and only merc and moon is> > changed shows few days ahead or 1000s of yrs ahead ??> >> > This also a bogus chart ,By product of charlans who dont want to learn> > astro in real way or dont know it realy .> >> > but acting Mr .know alls .> >> >> >> > with regrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > I have the following Horoscope of Ravana , in possession.> > >> > > Lagna Libra.> > >> > > Planetary positions-> > >> > > Moon and Saturn in Libra. Mars in Capricorn. Venus and Mercury in> > > Pisces. Sun in Aries, and Jupiter in cancer. Rahu and Ketu positions> > are> > > missing.> > >> > > Dont know its origin or authenticty and have never studied it till> > date.> > > But from where have you got the details which you mentioned ?> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskaran.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana -> > > > Lagna - Aries> > > > 1st House - Sun> > > > 2nd House - Mercury> > > > 4th House - Jupiter, Moon> > > > 5th House - Ketu> > > > 7th House - Saturn> > > > 10th House - Mars> > > > 11th House - Rahu> > > > 12th House - Venus> > > >> > > > What is the source of this data? When it the time period at which> > > > this planetary position is possible? Any idea?> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 dear sunilji bhaskaranji's view of repeating the same cycle seems logically correct. i do not recollect having read any verse in astro classics on this issue but repeating the same cycle is valid. the same sixty year cycle repeats in our annual panchangas and accordingly we may infer that even the dasas repeat after one cycle is over. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear pt Arjun ji > > > > Thanks for very valid points with beautiful explations . > > > > But i am interested in astro value and since our dasa scheme is more > applicable to max 120 /108 yr cycles ( vimshottary ,ashtottary etc ) etc > .how can we predict after one cycle is over ,what was the method ,there > must b some thing as even today s world some ppl crosses this age and > livs for some more yrs and dies . > > > > Even one army officer told me in Himalayan villages some of tribes may > hav ppl with age of more than 160 yrs as they hav seen with their own > eyes 5 or 6 generation sitting with them ,so what ever rate u calculate > it they hav crossed this 120 yrs age . > > > > thanks and regrds > > > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > lord brahma's grandson was king ravana. since ravan's mother kaikasi > > got three sons from vishrava representing the three gunas, ravan was > > representing rajas. > > > > based on the life history of ravan, he must be having an exalted sun, > > exalted mars, exalted jupiter, exalted saturn and exalted venus. > > > > in ramayana and other ancient scriptures, birth details of ravan are > > not available and hence it is only a guestimate if someone provides > > ravan's birthchart. if someone provides ancient references of > > ravan's birth details, i stand educated with gratitude. > > > > lord brahma categorised two forms of people viz. one who do yakshan > > (worship) of water and the others who do rakshan (protect) of water. > > accordingly yakshas (including all devatas) and rakshasas are > > categorised based on their functions and rakshasas are not devils or > > demons as made out by some in some parts of the country. these > > rakshasas (protectors of water) have more patience and power to > > perform highest form of rituals and tapas, for example ravan > > performed tapas for ten thousand years and at the end of each > > thousand years, he offered one head as offering. hence ravan must be > > minimum ten thousand years older to rama. > > > > both sreenadhji and bhaskaranji have given more or less same strength > > of the planets and accordingly ascendant too may be fixed based on > > the life history. > > > > in the ravan samhita akin to bhrigusamhita, sage ravan did not give > > his birth details and hence members are at liberty to fix his birth > > details based on astro logic. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > respected bhaskar ji > > > > > > My exprnce says all grandpas in astrology demands respect and > > dont > > > like any body question them ,if u do they will label u as u r > > against > > > their paramapara this and that .I had this exprnce many time when > > even i > > > question some of their pet theorys . > > > > > > even i can accept Ravan was 10000yrs older than Lord ram ,but then > > how > > > vimdasa or any dasa is applicable ??if applicable how they progress > > it > > > after the alloted yrs ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > > > > > This may not be the right chart, but I dont know really. It has > > come > > > > from a co-Principal of the Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan , who is a > > Astrologer > > > > and a Professor too, in both Sayana and Nirayana astrology and > > aged > > > > about 70.. > > > > > > > > I dont care to discuss about VIP charts so never asked him from > > where > > > > did he get these details. > > > > > > > > best wishes. > > > > > > > > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again where we can fix the yr of birth with respect Lord rams > > chart > > > > > as the planetary possision s are similar and only merc and moon > > is > > > > > changed shows few days ahead or 1000s of yrs ahead ?? > > > > > > > > > > This also a bogus chart ,By product of charlans who dont want to > > > learn > > > > > astro in real way or dont know it realy . > > > > > > > > > > but acting Mr .know alls . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the following Horoscope of Ravana , in possession. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planetary positions- > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and Saturn in Libra. Mars in Capricorn. Venus and > > Mercury in > > > > > > Pisces. Sun in Aries, and Jupiter in cancer. Rahu and Ketu > > > positions > > > > > are > > > > > > missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont know its origin or authenticty and have never studied it > > till > > > > > date. > > > > > > But from where have you got the details which you mentioned ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana - > > > > > > > Lagna - Aries > > > > > > > 1st House - Sun > > > > > > > 2nd House - Mercury > > > > > > > 4th House - Jupiter, Moon > > > > > > > 5th House - Ketu > > > > > > > 7th House - Saturn > > > > > > > 10th House - Mars > > > > > > > 11th House - Rahu > > > > > > > 12th House - Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the source of this data? When it the time period at > > > which > > > > > > > this planetary position is possible? Any idea? > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 dear friends ravan is not a south indian as is made out by some. ravan was born in vishrakh village in uttar pradesh, which is in greater noida and close to ghaziabad. mandodari was from meerut. during dasara time, all tv and other media people throng this village and present various programs showing ravanjanmabhoomi. archaelogical survey of india has vetted the village of visrakh as ravanjanmabhoomi where an ashtakona (eight angled) shivling whose length could not be measured and ASI gave up measuring after digging several meters. the ASI also found out skeletons of 15 feet long humans in this village which were believed to belong to these rakshasa ganas. however, after he grew up ravan went on annexing each kingdom to become the king of the world. lanka was owned by kubera (brother of ravan) from whom ravan usurped lanka by force and started staying there. ravan lived in lanka but was not born in lanka. to indicate that ravan is a brahmin, he is simply the son of vishrava and kaikasi. vishrava is a great sage and ravan inherited brahmin qualities from his father and rajas and tamas qualities from his mother. ravana brahma wrotes ravan samhita, an astro cum remedial tantric text and his famous shiva tandava stotram is known to all devout shivbhakts. an exalted jupiter must be there in his chart but rahu's influence shall also be seen. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , Niranjan Babu <niranjanbabu2006 wrote: > > > > it is a belief that Ravana was a South Indian Brahmin. Does the chart indicate anything that he is a brahmin? > > > regards, > N.babu > > --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises > Re: Horoscope of Ravana > > Monday, 18 August, 2008, 12:56 Am > > Dear all, > > > > Well, > > > > The Libra ascendant seems to fit well for Ravan evn if we just check on > > 2-3 counts. > > > > We all know through our childhood being good Hindus that Mandodari is > > among one of the ladies to be revered, which comes out clear with the > > 7th House Lord Mars being exalted, as well as Sun placed exalted in > > Aries the 7th sign in the Libra Ascendant chart. This is not so in The > > aries Lagna chart, with saturn in 7th being debilitated with Moon. > > > > The 4th house shos Home and kingdom of the Raja, The King ravana. In > > Libra ascendant the 4th house falls in capricorn with mars placed > > eaxlted there, confirming the tamasic tendencies of that kingdom, while > > the Aries chart does not show the same with 4th hosuse in cancer with a > > Exalted Jupiter, which cannot be possible with Ravana beinga completely > > rakshasa oriented and tamasic or rajas attitude in personality. > > > > Am feeling sleepy now. > > > > rest in next, if i am interedted to continue.... ..... > > > > regard, > > > > bhaskaran. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > lord brahma's grandson was king ravana. since ravan's mother kaikasi > > > got three sons from vishrava representing the three gunas, ravan was > > > representing rajas. > > > > > > based on the life history of ravan, he must be having an exalted sun, > > > exalted mars, exalted jupiter, exalted saturn and exalted venus. > > > > > > in ramayana and other ancient scriptures, birth details of ravan are > > > not available and hence it is only a guestimate if someone provides > > > ravan's birthchart. if someone provides ancient references of > > > ravan's birth details, i stand educated with gratitude. > > > > > > lord brahma categorised two forms of people viz. one who do yakshan > > > (worship) of water and the others who do rakshan (protect) of water. > > > accordingly yakshas (including all devatas) and rakshasas are > > > categorised based on their functions and rakshasas are not devils or > > > demons as made out by some in some parts of the country. these > > > rakshasas (protectors of water) have more patience and power to > > > perform highest form of rituals and tapas, for example ravan > > > performed tapas for ten thousand years and at the end of each > > > thousand years, he offered one head as offering. hence ravan must be > > > minimum ten thousand years older to rama. > > > > > > both sreenadhji and bhaskaranji have given more or less same strength > > > of the planets and accordingly ascendant too may be fixed based on > > > the life history. > > > > > > in the ravan samhita akin to bhrigusamhita, sage ravan did not give > > > his birth details and hence members are at liberty to fix his birth > > > details based on astro logic. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > respected bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > My exprnce says all grandpas in astrology demands respect and > > > dont > > > > like any body question them ,if u do they will label u as u r > > > against > > > > their paramapara this and that .I had this exprnce many time when > > > even i > > > > question some of their pet theorys . > > > > > > > > even i can accept Ravan was 10000yrs older than Lord ram ,but then > > > how > > > > vimdasa or any dasa is applicable ??if applicable how they progress > > > it > > > > after the alloted yrs ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <rajiventerprises@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, > > > > > > > > > > This may not be the right chart, but I dont know really. It has > > > come > > > > > from a co-Principal of the Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan , who is a > > > Astrologer > > > > > and a Professor too, in both Sayana and Nirayana astrology and > > > aged > > > > > about 70.. > > > > > > > > > > I dont care to discuss about VIP charts so never asked him from > > > where > > > > > did he get these details. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again where we can fix the yr of birth with respect Lord rams > > > chart > > > > > > as the planetary possision s are similar and only merc and moon > > > is > > > > > > changed shows few days ahead or 1000s of yrs ahead ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > This also a bogus chart ,By product of charlans who dont want to > > > > learn > > > > > > astro in real way or dont know it realy . > > > > > > > > > > > > but acting Mr .know alls . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the following Horoscope of Ravana , in possession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planetary positions- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and Saturn in Libra. Mars in Capricorn. Venus and > > > Mercury in > > > > > > > Pisces. Sun in Aries, and Jupiter in cancer. Rahu and Ketu > > > > positions > > > > > > are > > > > > > > missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont know its origin or authenticty and have never studied it > > > till > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > But from where have you got the details which you mentioned ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskaran. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I heard that, in the Horoscope of Ravana - > > > > > > > > Lagna - Aries > > > > > > > > 1st House - Sun > > > > > > > > 2nd House - Mercury > > > > > > > > 4th House - Jupiter, Moon > > > > > > > > 5th House - Ketu > > > > > > > > 7th House - Saturn > > > > > > > > 10th House - Mars > > > > > > > > 11th House - Rahu > > > > > > > > 12th House - Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the source of this data? When it the time period at > > > > which > > > > > > > > this planetary position is possible? Any idea? > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://in.messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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