PVR Quotes - from the book VA - An Integrated Approach

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Dear All, Recently I was going through the book "VA - An Integrated Approach" written by PV Narasimha Rao; A book presenting the SJC approach to the so called 'Vedic' astrology. But in this "misleading but informative book", there were some good quotes and paragraphs which I liked. I am quoting some of them below -========================== Some Western astrologers mix Western astrolgy with Vedic astrology and bring in progression, extra-saturnine planets etc into Vedic astrology. It is silly to suggest that the Sages who taught such brilliant and superfine techniques did not consider some planets because they did not know about them. Vedic astrology is very logical and systematic subject and there is no need to currupt it. There are some techniques of western astrology that are not used by the most contemporary Vedic astrologers but were taught by seers. We can accept those techniques. An example is progressions. They were not taught by Parasara, but they were taught by Manu. So we can accept them. But the use of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were not taught by any seers of Vedic astrology. We should first strive to clearly understand the teachings of maharshis. There is a lot of width and depth in the knowledge taught by the maharshis. Our focus should be on understanding their teachings correctly and not on adding new things to the knowledge that we only superficially understand. (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 18)========================== Had PVR followed these views in his own astrological persuits he might be in AIA by now and must have not supported the SJC new born theories that are taking birth everyday!!! Hope that he will start following/practicing his own thoughts in the near future! Another quote that again PVR tells but not follow is given below. ==========================Houses are found with respect to lagna, special lagnas and some planets. Houses are found in rasi chart and in all the dividional charts. Some scholars ignore all these and take houses only with respect to lagna and only in rasi chart. They prepare something called "bhava chakra" or "chalit chakra", in which houses can start in one rasi and end in another. They take lagna's longitude to be the mid-point of the first house and construct all the houses accordingly. In the "equal house method", they take a 30 degree arc with center at lagna as the 1st house. The next 30 degree arc is taken as the 2nd house and so on. This method is popular among the Indian astrologers. Another method taught by Sripati is more complicated and it is also popular. However, this author recommends neither. Each rasi is a house. The rasi containing the reference point chosen is the 1st house and the next rasi is the 2nd house. Though there are some indirect references in BPHS suggesting that Parasara supported house divisions placing houses in 2 rasis, there are quite a few direct references making it amply clear that each house falls in one rasi. Parasara taught us to find houses by counting rasis from the reference chosen. Moreover, only this approach is logical as we go to divisional charts, as far as the basic techniques go. (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 65)========================== Here goes another beautiful extract, which discusses whether astrology is a science or not. ========================== Astrology lovers insist that it is a science. But any conscientious person familiar with the modern definitiion of "science" will agree that it is not a science. It may have been a science a few thousand years back, but it is no longer a science. A lot of astrological knowledge of Vedic times become corrupt in the last few hundred years, because of the degeneration of Indian culture precipitated by foreign invasions. The correct knowledge of the science of Vedic astrology is broken into parts and hidden in small corners of India. There are a lot of traditional families in India, which guard some special astrological techniques as "family secrets". The knowledge that is explicitly taught in most books - including this book - is either incomplete or simply incorrect. Gathering the correct knowledge from the remote corners of India and consolidating it is a daunting task. It makes no sense to start from scratch and develop this subject completely. The best approach is to understand the teachings of sages correctly and then experiment to confirm our understanding. However, it is easier said than done. Astrologers don't agree even on the basics - such as the zodiac to be used and the ayanamsa. There are just too many things that are ambiguous and not completely clarified in classics. To complicate things further, some modern savants are making their own ill-considered departures from the teachings of sages and fooolishly popularizing them. That only adds to the corruption of this knowledge. The bottom line is -- things are in a mess and astrology is far from being a science. However, readers need not despair. It is this author's prediction that astrology research will flourish in the coming century and a lot of long-standing issues will be solved conclusively. Understanding and accepting that a problem exists is the first step in fixing it. Thsi author's intention is to make the readers aware of the problems. While we certainly want to keep the sanctity of the subejct of astrology intact and not unduly worry about having it accepted as a science, it can only do good to apply the paradigms of modern science and approach astrolgy with a rational outlook. (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 386)========================== Look at the statement - "To complicate things further, some modern savants are making their own ill-considered departures from the teachings of sages and fooolishly popularizing them. That only adds to the corruption of this knowledge". This is what SJC does right now - and it is this same PVR who supports it! Any way, I wish PVR had followed the above thoughts in action. Here gos another paragraph, again an excellent one, which addresses the question 'why astrology works?'============================ While we discuss rational thinking, we may as well address this most asked question: "Why does astrology work? How can planets have an impact on us? Isn't it irrational to think they do?" Unfortunately we don't know exactly why planets influence us. We may not find that our in near future. Nevertheless, the subject of astrology becomes valid and justified if we prove soem correlations statistically. Even if we cannot explain why planets influence us, we can still study the correlations between planetary motion and events in our lives. While it will be nice to be able to answer the fundamental question raised above, it is not necessary for astrology to be accepted as a statistical science. Some pseudorational people argue that astrology cannot be science as long as we cannot explain why planets influence us. But that is not logical. Sometiems we cannot explain new observations on the basis of old models and we have to come up with new theories and postulates. We may not be able to explain the influence of planets on us on the basis of the scientific model of the universe we have today. But that does not trivialize the statistical study of the correlations between planetary combinations and events in the lives of individuals. (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 392)============================ Hope you enjoyed these good extracts by the SJC and JHora fame Sri PVR ji. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear all,

 

I do not agree here to many of his views, and the most ironic part is ,

not knowin why the planets influence us. It can certainly be proven

scientificaly and with mathematical data, that planets do influence us.

The whole theory is connected to to wavelengths and the various spheres

above the earth. This would take a lot of time for me to write or else

I would have written it here.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskaran.

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Dear Sreenadh,

 

Earlier, I read many books of Mr. Sanjay Rath, before my mind started

getting corrupted. Never saw any principle consistently applied, all

statements cloaked with technical jargon.... personally feel spreading

of a incorrect knowledge is a curse by itself.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Sreeramji,

I too made a mistake by buying books worth more than Rs.1800-written by the same keepers of S.. , and was very happy to bring those fat books home, thinking that now I would learn good Jamini techniques ( I already have learn basics 10 years back and do apply , but do not write about same in m analysis), but unfortunately all those books were " bakwaas" and just articles collected from various writers and tied together to make a book, or just normal translation, or just fixing astrology in the given illustrations. I am ashamed to say that through those books one cannot learn even basic what to talk of advanced. It is all technical jargon like you said, and no single principle or principles taught which can be replicated to come to a understandable or logical prediction. How many foreigners would be hoodwinked into buying these, and would learn nothing in the proces sbut just come out more confused. They say that all real astrology is only left with traditional astrologer families, but these same people cannot read a normal chart of a lunatic properly and would designate him to be a great spiritual stalwart, as we have seen recently just few months before.

They also talk about not mixing Western astrology with Indian. What rubbish ? This is not idli rawa or sambhar mix, that can be mixed. This is like predicting the same disease through, allopathy, ayurveda or homeopathy. Same way people like me prefer to check the same data throuh several approaches, to come down to the same result, which when actually does, comes out very near to the truth. Just because one is only stuck up with jamini like a rigid min with closed windows, does not mean that he can dismiss the other approaches as passe. I ask the readers to read " Polarities" Chapter by Alan Leo in his book " The key to Your own Nativity ". How many Indians can write or describe the character parts, like they do ?

These were Modern Western astrological Yogis just like we had our own ancient ones. We have no right to think that the West cannot produce intelligent or Genius minds.

The Bhava Chalita system, is used very effectively by the old Gujarati astrologers in Maharashtra , who are now rarely found, who can just look at a chart and say within 2 minutes how a planet would function. And this man says that House divisions does not work. They have not met good KP astrologers ( There are few even on these Forums ) who can say what date what event would tak plac, and it would happen so 7 out of 10 times on that date. How many jamini astologers whose names we see on the Net, can do this ?

Bhaskaran.

 

 

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Dear Sreeram Srinivasji,

 

Sometime back I wrote a letter to Rathji asking him the reason

for his assuming that the Saptarshis move from one nakshatra to

the other in one hundred years. To my knowledge this movement

in one hundred years is a convention adopted at the time of start

of the Saptarshi calendar and is not an astronomical phenomenon

and hence cannot be astrolgically meaningful. Even the apparent

movement of the Saptarshis from one nakshatra to the next

nakshatras (due to the precession of the Earth) generally takes

more than 600 years and the Saptarshis do not visit all the

nakshatras. There was no reply to that from Rathji.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

 

 

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

 

Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:17:34 AM

Re: PVR Quotes - from the book " VA - An

Integrated Approach "

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

 

Earlier, I read many books of Mr. Sanjay Rath, before my mind started

getting corrupted. Never saw any principle consistently applied, all

statements cloaked with technical jargon.... personally feel spreading

of a incorrect knowledge is a curse by itself.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Namaste Sreenadh ji

 

Pray which " bits " of this book are " misleading " ? I have a copy as well -

hence the question?

 

Yes - before you ask I do follow some Jaimini principles as well having some

books by KN Rao & Sanjay Rath ..

 

Note I am Not asking with a view to arguing But happy to discuss the

merits/demerits of the system if desired?

 

Best wishes ...

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

12 August 2008 14:07

 

PVR Quotes - from the book " VA - An

Integrated Approach "

 

Dear All,

Recently I was going through the book " VA - An Integrated Approach "

written by PV Narasimha Rao; A book presenting the SJC approach to the so

called 'Vedic' astrology. But in this " misleading but informative book " ,

there were some good quotes and paragraphs which I liked. I am quoting some

of them below -

==========================

Some Western astrologers mix Western astrolgy with Vedic astrology and

bring in progression, extra-saturnine planets etc into Vedic astrology. It

is silly to suggest that the Sages who taught such brilliant and superfine

techniques did not consider some planets because they did not know about

them. Vedic astrology is very logical and systematic subject and there is no

need to currupt it. There are some techniques of western astrology that are

not used by the most contemporary Vedic astrologers but wer e taught by

seers. We can accept those techniques. An example is progressions. They were

not taught by Parasara, but they were taught by Manu. So we can accept them.

But the use of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were not taught by any seers of

Vedic astrology. We should first strive to clearly understand the teachings

of maharshis. There is a lot of width and depth in the knowledge taught by

the maharshis. Our focus should be on understanding their teachings

correctly and not on adding new things to the knowledge that we only

superficially understand.

(From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 18)

==========================

Had PVR followed these views in his own astrological persuits he might

be in AIA by now and must have not supported the SJC new born theories that

are taking birth everyday!!! Hope that he will start following/practicing

his own thoughts in the near future! Ano ther quote that again PVR tells

but not follow is given below.

==========================

Houses are found with respect to lagna, special lagnas and some planets.

Houses are found in rasi chart and in all the dividional charts. Some

scholars ignore all these and take houses only with respect to lagna and

only in rasi chart. They prepare something called " bhava chakra " or " chalit

chakra " , in which houses can start in one rasi and end in another. They take

lagna's longitude to be the mid-point of the first house and construct all

the houses accordingly. In the " equal house method " , they take a 30 degree

arc with center at lagna as the 1st house. The next 30 degree arc is taken

as the 2nd house and so on. This method is popular among the Indian

astrologers. Another method taught by Sripati is more complicated and it is

also popular. However, this author recommends neither. Each rasi is a house.

The rasi containing the reference point chosen is the 1st house and the next

rasi is the 2nd house.

Though there are some indirect references in BPHS suggesting that

Parasara supported house divisions placing houses in 2 rasis, there are

quite a few direct references making it amply clear that each house falls in

one rasi. Parasara taught us to find houses by counting rasis from the

reference chosen. Moreover, only this approach is logical as we go to

divisional charts, as far as the basic techniques go.

(From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 65)

==========================

Here goes another beautiful extract, which discusses whether astrology is

a science or not.

==========================

Astrology lovers insist that it is a science. But any conscientious

person familiar with the modern definitiion of " science " will agree that it

is not a science. It may have been a science a few thousand years back, but

it is no longer a science. A lot of astrological knowledge of Vedic times

become corrupt in the last few hundred years, because of the degeneration of

Indian culture precipitated by foreign invasions. The correct knowledge of

the science of Vedic astrology is broken into parts and hidden in small

corners of India. There are a lot of traditional families in India, which

guard some special astrological techniques as " family secrets " . The

knowledge that is explicitly taught in most books - including this book - is

either incomplete or simply incorrect. Gathering the correct knowledge from

the remote corners of India and consolidating it is a daunting task.

It makes no sense to start from scratch and develop this subject

completely. The best approach is to understand the teachings of sages

correctly and then experiment to confirm our understanding. However, it is

easier said than done. Astrologers don't agree even on the basics - such as

the zodiac to be u sed and the ayanamsa. There are just too many things

that are ambiguous and not completely clarified in classics. To complicate

things further, some modern savants are making their own ill-considered

departures from the teachings of sages and fooolishly popularizing them.

That only adds to the corruption of this knowledge.

The bottom line is -- things are in a mess and astrology is far from

being a science. However, readers need not despair. It is this author's

prediction that astrology research will flourish in the coming century and a

lot of long-standing issues will be solved conclusively.

Understanding and accepting that a problem exists is the first step in

fixing it. Thsi author's intention is to make the readers aware of the

problems. While we certainly want to keep the sanctity of the subejct of

astrology intact and not unduly worry about having it accepted as a science,

it can only do good to apply the paradigms of modern science and approach

astrolgy with a rational outlook.

(From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 386)

==========================

Look at the statement - " To complicate things further, some modern savants

are making their own ill-considered departures from the teachings of sages

and fooolishly popularizing them. That only adds to the corruption of this

knowledge " . This is what SJC does right now - and it is this same PVR who

supports it! Any way, I wish PVR had followed the above thoughts in action.

 

Here gos another paragraph, again an excellent one, which addresses the

question 'why astrology works?'

============================

While we discuss rational thinking, we may as well address this most

asked question: " Why does astrology work? How can planets have an impact on

us? Isn't it irrational to think they do? "

& n bsp; Unfortunately we don't know exactly why planets influence us. We

may not find that our in near future. Nevertheless, the subject of astrology

becomes valid and justified if we prove soem correlations statistically.

Even if we cannot explain why planets influence us, we can still study the

correlations between planetary motion and events in our lives. While it will

be nice to be able to answer the fundamental question raised above, it is

not necessary for astrology to be accepted as a statistical science. Some

pseudorational people argue that astrology cannot be science as long as we

cannot explain why planets influence us. But that is not logical.

Sometiems we cannot explain new observations on the basis of old models

and we have to come up with new theories and postulates. We may not be able

to explain the influence of planets on us on the basis of the scientific

model of the universe we have today. But that does not tr ivialize the

statistical study of the correlations between planetary combinations and

events in the lives of individuals.

(From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 392)

============================

Hope you enjoyed these good extracts by the SJC and JHora fame Sri PVR

ji.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

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7:19 AM

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Hare ramakrishna

dear jaswal ji

pray ur self and say whther u applied and seen them succesful in predicting ,if so sent my mail on chiranjeevi to him in his prvt mail and ask him to pray and predict .

i cannot allow a whole discussion of a book and teaching them so as they can publish another books on somebdies efforts .Also we here are r more interested in rishi horas .

u better concentrate on results than pray and reading ,see in practical approach .u read the tread properly ( it was abt mixing systems which he beutifuly does )

 

so this tread of u is closed here itself and in future use grp space in more beautiful way than entering in pray and disputes which u dont know in details ....owning a book wont reveal any thing

 

rgrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> > Namaste Sreenadh ji> > Pray which "bits" of this book are "misleading"? I have a copy as well -> hence the question?> > Yes - before you ask I do follow some Jaimini principles as well having some> books by KN Rao & Sanjay Rath ..> > Note I am Not asking with a view to arguing But happy to discuss the> merits/demerits of the system if desired?> > Best wishes ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> 12 August 2008 14:07> > PVR Quotes - from the book "VA - An> Integrated Approach"> > Dear All, > Recently I was going through the book "VA - An Integrated Approach"> written by PV Narasimha Rao; A book presenting the SJC approach to the so> called 'Vedic' astrology. But in this "misleading but informative book",> there were some good quotes and paragraphs which I liked. I am quoting some> of them below -> ==========================> Some Western astrologers mix Western astrolgy with Vedic astrology and> bring in progression, extra-saturnine planets etc into Vedic astrology. It> is silly to suggest that the Sages who taught such brilliant and superfine> techniques did not consider some planets because they did not know about> them. Vedic astrology is very logical and systematic subject and there is no> need to currupt it. There are some techniques of western astrology that are> not used by the most contemporary Vedic astrologers but wer e taught by> seers. We can accept those techniques. An example is progressions. They were> not taught by Parasara, but they were taught by Manu. So we can accept them.> But the use of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were not taught by any seers of> Vedic astrology. We should first strive to clearly understand the teachings> of maharshis. There is a lot of width and depth in the knowledge taught by> the maharshis. Our focus should be on understanding their teachings> correctly and not on adding new things to the knowledge that we only> superficially understand.> (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 18)> ========================== > Had PVR followed these views in his own astrological persuits he might> be in AIA by now and must have not supported the SJC new born theories that> are taking birth everyday!!! Hope that he will start following/practicing> his own thoughts in the near future! Ano ther quote that again PVR tells> but not follow is given below. > ==========================> Houses are found with respect to lagna, special lagnas and some planets.> Houses are found in rasi chart and in all the dividional charts. Some> scholars ignore all these and take houses only with respect to lagna and> only in rasi chart. They prepare something called "bhava chakra" or "chalit> chakra", in which houses can start in one rasi and end in another. They take> lagna's longitude to be the mid-point of the first house and construct all> the houses accordingly. In the "equal house method", they take a 30 degree> arc with center at lagna as the 1st house. The next 30 degree arc is taken> as the 2nd house and so on. This method is popular among the Indian> astrologers. Another method taught by Sripati is more complicated and it is> also popular. However, this author recommends neither. Each rasi is a house.> The rasi containing the reference point chosen is the 1st house and the next> rasi is the 2nd house.> Though there are some indirect references in BPHS suggesting that> Parasara supported house divisions placing houses in 2 rasis, there are> quite a few direct references making it amply clear that each house falls in> one rasi. Parasara taught us to find houses by counting rasis from the> reference chosen. Moreover, only this approach is logical as we go to> divisional charts, as far as the basic techniques go.> (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 65)> ==========================> Here goes another beautiful extract, which discusses whether astrology is> a science or not. > ==========================> Astrology lovers insist that it is a science. But any conscientious> person familiar with the modern definitiion of "science" will agree that it> is not a science. It may have been a science a few thousand years back, but> it is no longer a science. A lot of astrological knowledge of Vedic times> become corrupt in the last few hundred years, because of the degeneration of> Indian culture precipitated by foreign invasions. The correct knowledge of> the science of Vedic astrology is broken into parts and hidden in small> corners of India. There are a lot of traditional families in India, which> guard some special astrological techniques as "family secrets". The> knowledge that is explicitly taught in most books - including this book - is> either incomplete or simply incorrect. Gathering the correct knowledge from> the remote corners of India and consolidating it is a daunting task.> It makes no sense to start from scratch and develop this subject> completely. The best approach is to understand the teachings of sages> correctly and then experiment to confirm our understanding. However, it is> easier said than done. Astrologers don't agree even on the basics - such as> the zodiac to be u sed and the ayanamsa. There are just too many things> that are ambiguous and not completely clarified in classics. To complicate> things further, some modern savants are making their own ill-considered> departures from the teachings of sages and fooolishly popularizing them.> That only adds to the corruption of this knowledge. > The bottom line is -- things are in a mess and astrology is far from> being a science. However, readers need not despair. It is this author's> prediction that astrology research will flourish in the coming century and a> lot of long-standing issues will be solved conclusively.> Understanding and accepting that a problem exists is the first step in> fixing it. Thsi author's intention is to make the readers aware of the> problems. While we certainly want to keep the sanctity of the subejct of> astrology intact and not unduly worry about having it accepted as a science,> it can only do good to apply the paradigms of modern science and approach> astrolgy with a rational outlook.> (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 386)> ==========================> Look at the statement - "To complicate things further, some modern savants> are making their own ill-considered departures from the teachings of sages> and fooolishly popularizing them. That only adds to the corruption of this> knowledge". This is what SJC does right now - and it is this same PVR who> supports it! Any way, I wish PVR had followed the above thoughts in action.> > Here gos another paragraph, again an excellent one, which addresses the> question 'why astrology works?'> ============================> While we discuss rational thinking, we may as well address this most> asked question: "Why does astrology work? How can planets have an impact on> us? Isn't it irrational to think they do?"> & n bsp; Unfortunately we don't know exactly why planets influence us. We> may not find that our in near future. Nevertheless, the subject of astrology> becomes valid and justified if we prove soem correlations statistically.> Even if we cannot explain why planets influence us, we can still study the> correlations between planetary motion and events in our lives. While it will> be nice to be able to answer the fundamental question raised above, it is> not necessary for astrology to be accepted as a statistical science. Some> pseudorational people argue that astrology cannot be science as long as we> cannot explain why planets influence us. But that is not logical. > Sometiems we cannot explain new observations on the basis of old models> and we have to come up with new theories and postulates. We may not be able> to explain the influence of planets on us on the basis of the scientific> model of the universe we have today. But that does not tr ivialize the> statistical study of the correlations between planetary combinations and> events in the lives of individuals.> (From VA - An Integrated Approach; Page 392)> ============================> Hope you enjoyed these good extracts by the SJC and JHora fame Sri PVR> ji. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release 8/12/2008> 7:19 AM>

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Dear Sreeram Jhi, Bhaskar Jhi

 

Which books do I have to buy then?

 

Best Wishes

 

Jagadish

 

Work is workship.--- On Tue, 8/12/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

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Dear Shri Jagadishji,

All books apart from written by these Gurus, about whom we are talking, are good, for instance books by Shri P'.S. Sastriji, are good. Read Jamini astrology by Shri BV Raman too. Any book which teaches abc of jamini astrology and simple principles, are good books. Any books which use excess technical jargon, must not be touched with a pole too. Astrology is a simple art, but this art needs a artist who is tuned with the divine. Here common sense is needed, but this sense which is need is uncommon, unfortunately. Technical jugglery and too much of horse power is not required, what is required is a balanced and calm mind to decipher the puuzle in the form of the birth chart which is laid out. If one learns the basic principles and applies them on a hundred charts, he is already a half astrologer. But if one goes straightaway trying to learn spectacular predictions, he may miss out on the normal fare, normal lunch, which must be taken for the body to work, before one reaches for the sweet part