Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Mr. Kursija, I feel you are putting everything on poor 12HL. It is not the case. There could be other reasons.... 12HL gives more to father than taking away...... give more to the native meanwhile let me cast the chart and come back. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote: Respected members,There was discussion 12th lord in 12th "the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind" I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shri Kursija ji, His good time started from Ketu MD that is from 1997 onwards. He is still going to do very well til the end with regards to profession and money income Uptil 1997, his Dashas couldnot allow him any comfort, so there was no way he could comfort others. He is running 4th and 12th house simultaneosuly most of his Life, so home would bve a problem for him and he himself would be a problem to the people staying in Home. Nest-He is also running simultaneously the 8th house alongwith the 9th, so he can never initiate happiness whatsoever from his chart or from his ownself, to his father, because some qualities of his would always be found negative for his Father . due to the 8th house being operated everytime with the 9th. On the country his father may feel sick with his son around with him for a longer period of time and develop headaches. His 12th Lord is not a problem as such. The man problem is Rahu seated in the 9th house which goes in the constellation of Mercury who is he Lord of the 12th House. And this same constellation Lord Mercury goes to the 11th in the Bhava Chalit, which is the badhaksthna for this chart, so both Father and son would see each other as sworn enemies or badhas in their Life. best wishes, Bhaskaran. , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected members,> There was discussion 12th lord in 12th "the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind"> I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Sreeramji, I like this sympathy from you, towards these Lords, for they are really hammered a lot everyday in every Jyotish Forum and in every message. I agree with you. Bhaskaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shri Kursija ji, His good time started from Ketu MD that is from 1997 onwards. He is still going to do very well til the end with regards to profession and money income Uptil 1997, his Dashas couldnot allow him any comfort, so there was no way he could comfort others. He is running 4th and 12th house simultaneosuly most of his Life, so home would bve a problem for him and he himself would be a problem to the people staying in Home. Nest-He is also running simultaneously the 8th house alongwith the 9th, so he can never initiate happiness whatsoever from his chart or from his ownself, to his father, because some qualities of his would always be found negative for his Father . due to the 8th house being operated everytime with the 9th. On the country his father may feel sick with his son around with him for a longer period of time and develop headaches. His 12th Lord is not a problem as such. The man problem is Rahu seated in the 9th house which goes in the constellation of Mercury who is he Lord of the 12th House. And this same constellation Lord Mercury goes to the 11th in the Bhava Chalit, which is the badhaksthna for this chart, so both Father and son would see each other as sworn enemies or badhas in their Life. best wishes, Bhaskaran. , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected members,> There was discussion 12th lord in 12th "the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind"> I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shri Kursija Ji, Namaste to all the members, I joined this group just yesterday and am impressed by the exchanges going on in the group. I am a novice in astrology and a eager learner. I invite comments from the members as to how 12 lord in 12th house affect the traits like 1. Liar 2. Coward. Regards Regards, Sanjeev Naryani S.C. Kursija <sckursija Ancient_astrology ; Bhagavathi_Hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:20:36 AM 12th lord in 12th Respected members, There was discussion 12th lord in 12th " the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind " I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 dear Mr.Kursija, 12th lord in the 12th along with malefics will lead the native to embezlement tendencies. here saturn's aspect on the 12th is another factor which can make the native to adopt unethical means to save his money ie he may borrow money but will not repay it. In the native's chart mercury is also the 3rd lord and it is in the 12th along with venus,sun and mars, it gives him extraordinary courage to face any difficult situation which other individuals will normally run away from the problem.in the navamsa mercury goes to the 3rd amsa once again aspected by sun and saturn which is making the individual to follow adharmic methods to ahcieve his goals. good wishses, k.gopu --- On Tue, 8/12/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Re: 12th lord in 12th Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 11:32 AM Dear Mr. Kursija, I feel you are putting everything on poor 12HL. It is not the case. There could be other reasons.... 12HL gives more to father than taking away...... give more to the native meanwhile let me cast the chart and come back. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote: Respected members,There was discussion 12th lord in 12th "the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind" I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Mr. Kursija ji, As promised, I casted the chart using JHora software and get the following planetary positions: - Cancer Lagna, Raising Leo Navamsa Lagna. The initial glance at Lagna is 4 deg. 08 min, Mercury 1 deg. 43 min., Saturn is 1 deg. 19 min. I would only center my analysis to the key points raised by Mr. Kursija in his original mail 1) The native is a liar - The chart defies this conclusion when seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon 2) The native is a coward - The chart again defies this conclusion when seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon. A particular combination present when seen from Lagna is not enough to conclude a native is a coward, utmost can say he is a lazy person avoiding challenges. 3) The native is a LOSS to his father - How can a native's chart cause loss to his father ?? Unless when such elementary combinations should also be present in his father's horoscope !! Can only say the dasha pattern recieved by the native is NOT good. The key planets mentioned above are NOT in proper state to do good. Debilitated 7HL & 8HL Saturn aspecting planets in 12H, Saturn receiving aspect from Jupiter, cannot be the villain !!. Let us view 8HL Saturn aspecting 12H..... we love Raja Yogas & Vipereet Raja Yoga....etc.. why not see this in that context of 8HL & 12H getting connected ?? We have seen in various other forums, people strong liking or falling for a strong 12HL !! Nobody reported of father going bankrupt...!! This will satisfy our obsession to an extent and may get rid of it in due course. Personally feel there is some information not fully mentioned in the original email......would request Mr. Kursija to share his astro_analysis.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear kursijaji, The message you have posted lacks complete details. First, the discussion was not initiated by any single individual. It comes from the BPHS discussion classes. I would highly appreciate, if you can cite the true reference, as it makes a lot easier for everyone to discuss. I am reproducing what I wrote in the classes Chapter 25 //144 vyayahse vyayabhavasthe vyaya adhikyam hi jayate Na shareerasukham tasya krodhi dweshaparo nrunam 12th lord in 12th, the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind// In the next verse the Rishis himself has mentioned the following //145 Iti te kathitham vipra bhaveshanam cha yat phalam Bala abala vivekena sarvesham tatsamadishet These are the effects of the houses, which are to be predicted, after assessing the strength and weaknesses. // You yourself are knowledgeable and an astrologer and are very well aware that a chart should be read as a whole. Regards, bhagavathi , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected members, > There was discussion 12th lord in 12th " the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind " > I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Respected K.Gopu, Thanks for the immediate reply and correct reply. He adopt every means to achieve his object particularly unethical. But he is not established in his profession and has become burden for his father. He has given losses to his father.He borrow money from the known persons and is not able to repay and father has to repay the amount for the sake of his reputation or to save him from police cases. I am mainly concern for the father who is suffering for his purva karma. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Respect Sh.Bhagavati, Thanks for the query. I have give his full detail such as DOB, TOB, and POB. I have also added that he is not established in his life till date. He speaks lie and adopt unethical means to achieve his objective. He is son of my close friend so I can provide each and every information if any you require, I posted the data due to the fact that 12th lord Mercury is in the 12th with Sun, Mars and Venus and aspected by Saturn from 10th. Mars is yoga karaka, Sun is 2nd lord and Venus is 4th and 11th lord, though suffer from kendradhipati dosha but will not obstruct flow of money. I will not like to analyze the chart but like to hear from the learned members of the forum. With regards --- On Tue, 8/12/08, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Re: 12th lord in 12th Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:58 PM Dear kursijaji, The message you have posted lacks complete details. First, the discussion was not initiated by any single individual. It comes from the BPHS discussion classes. I would highly appreciate, if you can cite the true reference, as it makes a lot easier for everyone to discuss. I am reproducing what I wrote in the classes Chapter 25 //144 vyayahse vyayabhavasthe vyaya adhikyam hi jayate Na shareerasukham tasya krodhi dweshaparo nrunam 12th lord in 12th, the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind// In the next verse the Rishis himself has mentioned the following //145 Iti te kathitham vipra bhaveshanam cha yat phalam Bala abala vivekena sarvesham tatsamadishet These are the effects of the houses, which are to be predicted, after assessing the strength and weaknesses. // You yourself are knowledgeable and an astrologer and are very well aware that a chart should be read as a whole. Regards, bhagavathi ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@. ..> wrote: > > Respected members, > There was discussion 12th lord in 12th " the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind " > I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear Kursija ji what madam bhagavathi ji was mentioning is this root of this discussion is frm her BPHS classes grp . Where it was discussed also ,without much exmples ,if we discuss too much exmple every one come in the pre text of doubts and finaly the grp will end up a free reading forum than a classroom . ur chart u posted is classic exmple of "pathithastu ripha " means down fall is frm 12th house or seen frm 12th house ,It can b frm losses to going out of home or extradcting frm house to country .but here 12th L in 12th house ,but in rasi santhi .so he is more capable of loses than taking nativ to far in his dasa .see in tune with running dasa which will show results more prominently along with static promise in chart . rest of the query wat happened to father etc u can see frm bhavath bhavam ,take 9th for father and see the dasa ( rotate and make 9th as lagna ) ,it is happening in 4th house ,here use imaginativ power of astrologer ( all critics says astrology is all abt intuition and no purticular theorys --even now i got a mail frm some one accusing like this because of this various dictums which is confusing them who has tuned their thinking pattern linearly than at various angles and levels ) but i hav one request to u unless there is a serious matter let us stick to various discussions already happening in grp than all 2500 memebrs strt own treads . hope u may agree regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> > > Respect Sh.Bhagavati,> > > Thanks for the query. I have give his full detail such as DOB, TOB, and POB. I have also added that he is not established in his life till date. He speaks lie and adopt unethical means to achieve his objective. He is son of my close friend so I can provide each and every information if any you require, I posted the data due to the fact that 12th lord Mercury is in the 12th with Sun, Mars and Venus and aspected by Saturn from 10th. Mars is yoga karaka, Sun is 2nd lord and Venus is 4th and 11th lord, though suffer from kendradhipati dosha but will not obstruct flow of money.> I will not like to analyze the chart but like to hear from the learned members of the forum.> With regards> > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:> > bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan Re: 12th lord in 12th> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:58 PM> > > Dear kursijaji,> > The message you have posted lacks complete details. First, the> discussion was not initiated by any single individual. It comes from> the BPHS discussion classes. I would highly appreciate, if you can> cite the true reference, as it makes a lot easier for everyone to> discuss. I am reproducing what I wrote in the classes> > Chapter 25> > //144 vyayahse vyayabhavasthe vyaya adhikyam hi jayate> Na shareerasukham tasya krodhi dweshaparo nrunam> > 12th lord in 12th, the native will incur excessive expenditure only,> he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind//> > In the next verse the Rishis himself has mentioned the following> > //145 Iti te kathitham vipra bhaveshanam cha yat phalam> Bala abala vivekena sarvesham tatsamadishet> > These are the effects of the houses, which are to be predicted, after> assessing the strength and weaknesses. //> > You yourself are knowledgeable and an astrologer and are very well> aware that a chart should be read as a whole.> > Regards,> > bhagavathi> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected members,> > There was discussion 12th lord in 12th "the native will incur> excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry> and will hate mankind"> > I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32> delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given> lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is> liar and coward.please look into> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sreeram Srinivas, I have posted the chart due to the fact that it defies so many common rules. He is not only liar but also thief. He stealed the money of his father, mother and his wife. His father made him clear diploma in pharmacy. He is registered pharmacist. The dasha of Mercury was very sorrowful for him, but gave him marriage also. But doing the business of courier. He has got some success in the same. He always takes care of his workers but his workers are no faithful to him and gives lose to him. He is coward and has sympathy for others. He always looks toward to his mother for his protection. He is fast in every action, speaks loud and indecent to his mother. No doubt that his father must have done some malefic karma in his previous birth, but his chart clearly indicates that he is curse to his father. --- On Tue, 8/12/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Re: 12th lord in 12th Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:18 PM Dear Mr. Kursija ji, As promised, I casted the chart using JHora software and get the following planetary positions: - Cancer Lagna, Raising Leo Navamsa Lagna. The initial glance at Lagna is 4 deg. 08 min, Mercury 1 deg. 43 min., Saturn is 1 deg. 19 min. I would only center my analysis to the key points raised by Mr. Kursija in his original mail 1) The native is a liar - The chart defies this conclusion when seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon 2) The native is a coward - The chart again defies this conclusion when seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon. A particular combination present when seen from Lagna is not enough to conclude a native is a coward, utmost can say he is a lazy person avoiding challenges. 3) The native is a LOSS to his father - How can a native's chart cause loss to his father ?? Unless when such elementary combinations should also be present in his father's horoscope !! Can only say the dasha pattern recieved by the native is NOT good. The key planets mentioned above are NOT in proper state to do good. Debilitated 7HL & 8HL Saturn aspecting planets in 12H, Saturn receiving aspect from Jupiter, cannot be the villain !!. Let us view 8HL Saturn aspecting 12H..... we love Raja Yogas & Vipereet Raja Yoga....etc. . why not see this in that context of 8HL & 12H getting connected ?? We have seen in various other forums, people strong liking or falling for a strong 12HL !! Nobody reported of father going bankrupt...! ! This will satisfy our obsession to an extent and may get rid of it in due course. Personally feel there is some information not fully mentioned in the original email......would request Mr. Kursija to share his astro_analysis. ... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Naraqyani, The learned members of the forum are examining the chart. They will give their obsevations about the chart. If you have eye on the thread you will automatically learn the same. I have given the facts only. Love --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Naryani <naryani2000 wrote: Naryani <naryani2000 Re: 12th lord in 12th Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 12:18 PM Dear Shri Kursija Ji, Namaste to all the members, I joined this group just yesterday and am impressed by the exchanges going on in the group. I am a novice in astrology and a eager learner. I invite comments from the members as to how 12 lord in 12th house affect the traits like 1. Liar 2. Coward. Regards Regards, Sanjeev Naryani S.C. Kursija <sckursija > Ancient_astrology <ancient_indian_ astrology>; Bhagavathi_Harihara n <bhagavathi_harihara n Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:20:36 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] 12th lord in 12th Respected members, There was discussion 12th lord in 12th " the native will incur excessive expenditure only, he will not have bodily comforts, angry and will hate mankind " I have a chart in which the 12th lord is in 12th. 7-71968 at 6-32 delhi. He is son of my friend. He is 40years of age, he has given lose to his father nothing else. He is established in his life, he is liar and coward.please look into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Kursij-ji & Sreenivas-ji, I have known two persons with almost same chart but with different lagna. (July-1968 DOB) One is with Ta lagna- with this cluster in 2nd house. The person is somehow weak in his approach. But can not be called as coward. He can be very blunt. Otherwise normal. Other perosn has this cluster on 8th house. Lagna is Scorpio. He is a practising astrologer and 'distant healer' through psychic power. The common points for both of them is -- both went thru' personal mental trauma severely. This was not evident for others around them. BTW, Mercury is the final dispositor for all these charts. regards chakraborty S.C. Kursija [sckursija] Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:46 AM Cc: sreeram srinivas Re: 12th lord in 12th Dear Sreeram Srinivas, I have posted the chart due to the fact that it defies so many common rules. He is not only liar but also thief. He stealed the money of his father, mother and his wife. His father made him clear diploma in pharmacy. He is registered pharmacist. The dasha of Mercury was very sorrowful for him, but gave him marriage also. But doing the business of courier. He has got some success in the same. He always takes care of his workers but his workers are no faithful to him and gives lose to him. He is coward and has sympathy for others. He always looks toward to his mother for his protection. He is fast in every action, speaks loud and indecent to his mother. No doubt that his father must have done some malefic karma in his previous birth, but his chart clearly indicates that he is curse to his father. --- On Tue, 8/12/08, sreeram srinivas < sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) <sreeram64%40sify.com> com> wrote: sreeram srinivas < sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) <sreeram64%40sify.com> com> Re: 12th lord in 12th ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:18 PM Dear Mr. Kursija ji, As promised, I casted the chart using JHora software and get the following planetary positions: - Cancer Lagna, Raising Leo Navamsa Lagna. The initial glance at Lagna is 4 deg. 08 min, Mercury 1 deg. 43 min., Saturn is 1 deg. 19 min. I would only center my analysis to the key points raised by Mr. Kursija in his original mail 1) The native is a liar - The chart defies this conclusion when seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon 2) The native is a coward - The chart again defies this conclusion when seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon. A particular combination present when seen from Lagna is not enough to conclude a native is a coward, utmost can say he is a lazy person avoiding challenges. 3) The native is a LOSS to his father - How can a native's chart cause loss to his father ?? Unless when such elementary combinations should also be present in his father's horoscope !! Can only say the dasha pattern recieved by the native is NOT good. The key planets mentioned above are NOT in proper state to do good. Debilitated 7HL & 8HL Saturn aspecting planets in 12H, Saturn receiving aspect from Jupiter, cannot be the villain !!. Let us view 8HL Saturn aspecting 12H..... we love Raja Yogas & Vipereet Raja Yoga....etc. . why not see this in that context of 8HL & 12H getting connected ?? We have seen in various other forums, people strong liking or falling for a strong 12HL !! Nobody reported of father going bankrupt...! ! This will satisfy our obsession to an extent and may get rid of it in due course. Personally feel there is some information not fully mentioned in the original email......would request Mr. Kursija to share his astro_analysis. ... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hare ramakrishna dear chakraborty ji BTW, Mercury is the final dispositor for all these charts. Good observation . thank u regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Kursij-ji & Sreenivas-ji,> > I have known two persons with almost same chart> but with different lagna. (July-1968 DOB)> > One is with Ta lagna- with this cluster in 2nd house. The> person is somehow weak in his approach. But can not be> called as coward. He can be very blunt. Otherwise normal.> > Other perosn has this cluster on 8th house. Lagna is Scorpio.> He is a practising astrologer and 'distant healer' through psychic> power.> > The common points for both of them is -- both went thru' personal> mental trauma severely. This was not evident for others around them.> > BTW, Mercury is the final dispositor for all these charts.> > regards> > chakraborty> > > > > S.C. Kursija [sckursija]> Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:46 AM> > Cc: sreeram srinivas> Re: 12th lord in 12th> > > > Dear Sreeram Srinivas,> I have posted the chart due to the fact that it defies so many common rules.> He is not only liar but also thief. He stealed the money of his father,> mother and his wife.> His father made him clear diploma in pharmacy. He is registered pharmacist.> The dasha of Mercury was very sorrowful for him, but gave him marriage also.> But doing the business of courier. He has got some success in the same. He> always takes care of his workers but his workers are no faithful to him and> gives lose to him. He is coward and has sympathy for others. He always looks> toward to his mother for his protection. He is fast in every action, speaks> loud and indecent to his mother.> No doubt that his father must have done some malefic karma in his previous> birth, but his chart clearly indicates that he is curse to his father.> > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, sreeram srinivas < sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) > <sreeram64%40sify.com> com> wrote:> > sreeram srinivas < sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) <sreeram64%40sify.com> com>> Re: 12th lord in 12th> ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:18 PM> > Dear Mr. Kursija ji,> > As promised, I casted the chart using JHora software and get the> following planetary positions: - Cancer Lagna, Raising Leo Navamsa> Lagna.> > The initial glance at Lagna is 4 deg. 08 min, Mercury 1 deg. 43 min.,> Saturn is 1 deg. 19 min.> > I would only center my analysis to the key points raised by Mr. Kursija> in his original mail> > 1) The native is a liar - The chart defies this conclusion when seen> from Lagna or Sun or Moon> > 2) The native is a coward - The chart again defies this conclusion when> seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon. A particular combination present when> seen from Lagna is not enough to conclude a native is a coward, utmost> can say he is a lazy person avoiding challenges.> > 3) The native is a LOSS to his father - How can a native's chart cause> loss to his father ?? Unless when such elementary combinations should> also be present in his father's horoscope !!> > Can only say the dasha pattern recieved by the native is NOT good. The> key planets mentioned above are NOT in proper state to do good.> Debilitated 7HL & 8HL Saturn aspecting planets in 12H, Saturn receiving> aspect from Jupiter, cannot be the villain !!. Let us view 8HL Saturn> aspecting 12H..... we love Raja Yogas & Vipereet Raja Yoga....etc. . why> not see this in that context of 8HL & 12H getting connected ??> > We have seen in various other forums, people strong liking or> falling for a strong 12HL !! Nobody reported of father going> bankrupt...! !> > This will satisfy our obsession to an extent and may get rid of it in> due course.> > Personally feel there is some information not fully mentioned in the> original email......would request Mr. Kursija to share his> astro_analysis. ...> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sunil-ji, Regarding Mercury being final dispositor part.... Obviously.. I would know. I am not very sure about my own DOB. But it should be either 7th or 8 July, 1968 and Taurus lagna. And the planetary positions matches. So, I am aware about this. Anyway, I don't want to discuss my chart as it is against the forum's stated rules. And there is a possibilty that someone might interpret my chart and tells me things that I don't want to know (like I am 'not' a genius!!!) regards chakraborty sunil nair [astro_tellerkerala]Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: 12th lord in 12th Hare ramakrishna dear chakraborty ji BTW, Mercury is the final dispositor for all these charts. Good observation . thank u regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Kursij-ji & Sreenivas-ji,> > I have known two persons with almost same chart> but with different lagna. (July-1968 DOB)> > One is with Ta lagna- with this cluster in 2nd house. The> person is somehow weak in his approach. But can not be> called as coward. He can be very blunt. Otherwise normal.> > Other perosn has this cluster on 8th house. Lagna is Scorpio.> He is a practising astrologer and 'distant healer' through psychic> power.> > The common points for both of them is -- both went thru' personal> mental trauma severely. This was not evident for others around them.> > BTW, Mercury is the final dispositor for all these charts.> > regards> > chakraborty> > > > > S.C. Kursija [sckursija]> Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:46 AM> > Cc: sreeram srinivas> Re: 12th lord in 12th> > > > Dear Sreeram Srinivas,> I have posted the chart due to the fact that it defies so many common rules.> He is not only liar but also thief. He stealed the money of his father,> mother and his wife.> His father made him clear diploma in pharmacy. He is registered pharmacist.> The dasha of Mercury was very sorrowful for him, but gave him marriage also.> But doing the business of courier. He has got some success in the same. He> always takes care of his workers but his workers are no faithful to him and> gives lose to him. He is coward and has sympathy for others. He always looks> toward to his mother for his protection. He is fast in every action, speaks> loud and indecent to his mother.> No doubt that his father must have done some malefic karma in his previous> birth, but his chart clearly indicates that he is curse to his father.> > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, sreeram srinivas < sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) > <sreeram64%40sify.com> com> wrote:> > sreeram srinivas < sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) <sreeram64%40sify.com> com>> Re: 12th lord in 12th> ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:18 PM> > Dear Mr. Kursija ji,> > As promised, I casted the chart using JHora software and get the> following planetary positions: - Cancer Lagna, Raising Leo Navamsa> Lagna.> > The initial glance at Lagna is 4 deg. 08 min, Mercury 1 deg. 43 min.,> Saturn is 1 deg. 19 min.> > I would only center my analysis to the key points raised by Mr. Kursija> in his original mail> > 1) The native is a liar - The chart defies this conclusion when seen> from Lagna or Sun or Moon> > 2) The native is a coward - The chart again defies this conclusion when> seen from Lagna or Sun or Moon. A particular combination present when> seen from Lagna is not enough to conclude a native is a coward, utmost> can say he is a lazy person avoiding challenges.> > 3) The native is a LOSS to his father - How can a native's chart cause> loss to his father ?? Unless when such elementary combinations should> also be present in his father's horoscope !!> > Can only say the dasha pattern recieved by the native is NOT good. The> key planets mentioned above are NOT in proper state to do good.> Debilitated 7HL & 8HL Saturn aspecting planets in 12H, Saturn receiving> aspect from Jupiter, cannot be the villain !!. Let us view 8HL Saturn> aspecting 12H..... we love Raja Yogas & Vipereet Raja Yoga....etc. . why> not see this in that context of 8HL & 12H getting connected ??> > We have seen in various other forums, people strong liking or> falling for a strong 12HL !! Nobody reported of father going> bankrupt...! !> > This will satisfy our obsession to an extent and may get rid of it in> due course.> > Personally feel there is some information not fully mentioned in the> original email......would request Mr. Kursija to share his> astro_analysis. ...> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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