Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

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Dear Sreenadhji,I thank you for the information. Yes, this book is on the Internet. I think there is a book with a title "Brihat Bharatiya Itihasa" in Hindi by Pandit Bhagavad Datta. This book is published from Delhi. To my knowledge there is mention of the astronomer Yallaya as well as of the date of Shudraka in this book.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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Dear Sreenadhji,It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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Dear Sreenadhji,The Book "Bharat ka Brihat Itihasa' by Bhagavad Datta was published by Arihanta Publications, Punjabi Bagh, New Delhi. In that book Pandit Bhagavad Datta had mentiones Yallaya twice.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, Noted the point. I will search for the book, since I am in Delhi itself currently. I don't know anything about this issue, but here are some of my (wild) guesses. * King/Acharya Sudraka - He might have lived AFTER kalidasa, since it is the works of Kalidasa that established the credentials of sanskrit literature and its popularity. It was 'proved' by many with good amount of logic and evidence that Kalidasa lived during the period of Chandragupta Vikramaditya (and also that he loved the Vakadaka queen, the sister of Chandragupta, i.e. Prabhavati and also that Pravara sena who wrote Soundarya Lahari was a student of Kalidasa). [Does this sudraka has any connection with the Sudraka mentioned in Ramayana? Who knows!] * Astronomer Yallaya - This name seems to be of Karnataka origin, and a Jain connection also possible. This reagion of South India had good Buddhist and Jain connections during those days, and some Saka (Cythian) connections as well. A good amount of Astronomy was popular and practiced in this region during those days. * The period of Mrischakatika must have been after the declain of Buddhist religion. This again points to the fact that this could be a 3rd/4th Century text written during Gupta period or so. * Defenitly Yeallaya is NOT a Kerala astronomer (Since we keralites does not have any info/idea about such a name), and since this name sounds as if of Karnatic origin. * Did Yellaya lived in/near Karnataka or with in the Gupta Kingdom? We can only guess.... What ever said above is nothing but simple guess only without any study or much data collection. With this thoughts at hand I will try to collect more info about this. Thanks for the info and guidance. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > The Book "Bharat ka Brihat Itihasa' by Bhagavad Datta was published by Arihanta Publications, Punjabi Bagh, New Delhi. In that book Pandit Bhagavad Datta had mentiones Yallaya twice.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya>

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I thank you for the information. Yes, this book is on the Internet. I think there is a book with a title "Brihat Bharatiya Itihasa" in Hindi by Pandit Bhagavad Datta. This book is published from Delhi. To my knowledge there is mention of the astronomer Yallaya as well as of the date of Shudraka in this book.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog> > Monday, August 11, 2008 4:18:12 AM> Re: Sudraka/Mrischakatika/astronomer Yallaya/Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)> > > Dear Sunil ji,> Here a useful link to the book "The Little Clay Cart (Mrischakatika) by Shudraka, translated by Arthur William Ryder". Thanks to sacread-texts. com> Link to Mrischakatika (English Transilation) : http://www.sacred- texts.com/ hin/lcc/index. htm> Love and regards,> Sreeandh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:> Hare ramakrishna> dear sunil bhattacharjya ji> I too heard abt yallaya but not sure abt origins may sreenadh ji may b able to help us> now i searched wiki and i find this informations on koodiyatham ( they were staging almost all dramas including mricha kateegam ( if my memory is correct ) .> > Koodiyattam or Kutiyattam (pronounced [kuËʈijaËʈËam]) is a form of Sanskrit theatre traditionally performed in the state of Kerala, India. Performed in the Sanskrit language in Hindu temples, it is believed to be at 2000 years old. It is officially recognised by UNESCO as a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity.> Origin> Koodiyattam[ kutiyattam] , meaning 'combined acting' signifies Sanskrit drama presented in the traditional style in temple theatres of Kerala and is the only surviving specimen of the ancient Sanskrit theatre. It has an attested history of a thousand years in Kerala, but its origin and evolution are shrouded in mystery. It seems that Kutiyattam is an amalgam of the classical sanskrit theatre of ancient India and the regional theatre of Kerala. It is believed that Kulasekhara Varman Cheraman Perumal, an ancient king of Kerala, who ruled from Mahodayapuram [modern Kodungallur] reformed Koodiyattam, introducing the local language for Vidusaka and structuring presentation of the play to well defined units. He himself wrote two plays, Subhadraharana and Tapatisamvarana and made arrangements for their presentation on stage with the help of a Brahmin friend of him called Tolan. These plays are still presented on stage. Apart from these, the plays traditionally> presented include Ascaryacudamani of Saktibhadra, Kalyanasaugandhika of Nilakantha, Bhagavadajjuka of Bodhayana, Nagananda of Harsa, and many plays ascribed to Bhasa including Abhiseka and Pratima. The Kutiyattam performance was confined to the temple precincts of Kerala in specialy constructed theatres called Kutampalams.> also this wat i find abt mriccha katigam.> ------------ --------- --------- ------> Mricchakatika (The Little Clay Cart)> Main article: Mrichakatika> One of the earliest known Sanskrit plays, this play is thought to have been composed by ?Shudraka in the 2nd century BC. Rife with romance, sex, royal intrigue and comedy, the juicy plot of the play has numerous twists and turns. The main story is about a young man named Charudatta, and his love for Vasantasena, a rich courtesan or nagarvadhu. The love affair is complicated by a royal courtier, who is also attracted to Vasantasena. The plot is further complicated by thieves and mistaken identities, and thus making it a greatly hilarious and entertaining play. It invited widespread admiration when staged in New York in 1924. The play was made into a 1984 Hindi movie Utsav, directed by Girish Karnad. The Indian play depicted in the film Moulin Rouge! may have been based on The Little Clay Cart.> > Thanks and rgrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> >> > I thank you for the information on "koodiyattam" .I think the astronomer Yallaya was from Kerala or Karnataka. As regards the date of Shudraka my best guess will be the 18th or 19th century BCE.> >> > Regards,> >> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> >> >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:31:11 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sun+Moon in Same Sign Same Navamsa> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> > dear sunil bhattacharya ji> >> > sreenadh ji will answer u doubts if it is possible by him ,but pls allow me to interfere .> >> > just a peice of information i wanted to share with u ,the dance drama of kerala known as koodiyattam is using full sanksrit dailogues and its even recognised by UN ( united nations ) and they hav declared as a monument status with heritage which is shud b preserved .So giving all the funding to support it and its artists ,and its said that it is minimum 2000 yrs old .So this is a living proof .Mricha katteegam i was knowing abt it ,but sorry my memory is weak now .> >> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > 1)> > > I understand from Shri Arun Upadhyayji that the astronomer Yallaya (or Yallya) some 400 years ago wrote "Jyotish Darpana", where Yallaya gave a sloka regarding the date of Shudraka, the writer of the ancient masterpiece "Mricchakatika. This date is important for those interested in the history of Sanskrit literature. All my efforts to locate that book failed. Have you or any other member of our forum seen this book?> > > 2)> > > Secondly I have read that Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5) has said that eclipses occurring in thirteen days is ominous. This is also a proof that the there is astrological prediction in the Vedas. It will be good if we can have this reference also.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > skb> > >>

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Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited. But for sure I know that - * Abhira's had a great history * Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural role in the ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of. * More light should be put into the culture and contribution of Sindhu-Sarasvati/Jain/Parthian/Cythian contribution to the cultural history of India. * More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric)/Nigama(Vedic) cultural contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga Cults and the people who worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/Muruka as well as Siva/Pasupati/Nakuleesa etc. Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got either destroyed or misunderstood.I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the sense they are not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic or vishnava cults) that reaped success; they were not part of the casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic (e.g. Sanskrit) trends that reaped success. But still the contribution those ancient people (Ravana/yeksha/Abhira/Skanda/Mleschha/Meluha/Naga/Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond measure. I am interested in these words and their forgotten history - if at all available. It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -==>> Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or whose> son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last of the> Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. This> remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the play> the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being overthrown> by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially herdsmen.<== Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc) as you puts it, but the guidance and direction he provides is certainly valuable. (Me getting inspired possibly due to my word association Abhira/Ujjain/Sivadatta/Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era and son. (as my understanding of history is much limited)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,> May be this info could also be useful -> ==> Shudraka> Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives details> of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama Veda,> mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of> elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the knowledge shown> in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after> establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse sacrifice,> he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and ten days.> Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or whose> son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last of the> Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. This> remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the play> the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being overthrown> by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially herdsmen.> > Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika> > *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from> http://www.swaveda.com/background.php?category=33 & title=Indian%20Drama & p\> age=11> <http://www.swaveda.com/background.php?category=33 & title=Indian%20Drama & \> page=11> )<==> > Love and regards,> Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

Yes, ancient Indian history has been distorted. Recently I had

been to the WAVES conference at Orlando in June 2008.

At this conference I presented a paper on the Dotted Record and its

impact on ancient Indian chronology. In that paper I have uncovered

several serious mistakes (or can we call these as crimes) of the

colonial historians and the post-colonial Marxist historians in

wilfully bypassing the past historical records (ie. the ancient

itihasas), the Buddhist and the Jaina records as well as the records

of Megasthenes and Alberuni. I have also uncovered the real reason

for Prof. max Muller's speculation of AIT and timing it in the 15th

century BCE. Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the

capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir William

Jones as Pataliputra. Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord

Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed

that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the studies

on Indian history.

 

If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that to you and

if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the forum also.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog

 

Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:16:55 AM

Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva

Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

 

 

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited. But for sure I

know that -

* Abhira's had a great history

* Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural role in the

ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of.

* More light should be put into the culture and contribution of

Sindhu-Sarasvati/ Jain/Parthian/ Cythian contribution to the cultural history of

India.

* More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric) /Nigama(Vedic) cultural

contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga Cults and the people who

worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/ Muruka as well as Siva/Pasupati/ Nakuleesa etc.

Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got either destroyed

or misunderstood.

 

I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the sense they are

not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic or vishnava cults) that

reaped success; they were not part of the casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic

(e.g. Sanskrit) trends that reaped success. But still the contribution those

ancient people (Ravana/yeksha/ Abhira/Skanda/ Mleschha/ Meluha/Naga/

Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond measure. I am

interested in these words and their forgotten history - if at all available.

It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -

==>

> Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or whose

> son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last of the

> Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. This

> remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the play

> the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being overthrown

> by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially herdsmen.

<==

Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc) as you puts

it, but the guidance and direction he provides is certainly valuable. (Me

getting inspired possibly due to my word association Abhira/Ujjain/ Sivadatta/

Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era and son. (as my understanding of history is much

limited)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max Mullerian

chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have from the Bhagavad

purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the characters of Mricchakatika

support that. That is why it appears that the sloka given by Yallaya may be able

to throw more light on that.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> May be this info could also be useful -

> ==

> Shudraka

> Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives details

> of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama Veda,

> mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of

> elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the knowledge shown

> in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after

> establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse sacrifice,

> he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and ten days.

> Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or whose

> son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last of the

> Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. This

> remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the play

> the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being overthrown

> by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially herdsmen.

>

> Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika

>

> *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from

> http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category= 33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & p\

> age=11

> <http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category= 33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & \

> page=11> )<==

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjyaji:

 

Please download your paper, I love to read the same.

 

I have read recently the following book/article which refers the Max

Muller theory and reasons for the distortion. It is OK.

 

" New Light on the Origins of Vedic Civilization, by Kenneth Chandler

PhD "

 

Jaya

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> Yes, ancient Indian history has been distorted. Recently I had

> been to the WAVES conference at Orlando in June 2008.

> At this conference I presented a paper on the Dotted Record and its

> impact on ancient Indian chronology. In that paper I have uncovered

> several serious mistakes (or can we call these as crimes) of the

> colonial historians and the post-colonial Marxist historians in

> wilfully bypassing the past historical records (ie. the ancient

> itihasas), the Buddhist and the Jaina records as well as the records

> of Megasthenes and Alberuni. I have also uncovered the real reason

> for Prof. max Muller's speculation of AIT and timing it in the 15th

> century BCE. Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the

> capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir William

> Jones as Pataliputra. Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord

> Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed

> that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the studies

> on Indian history.

>

> If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that to

you and

> if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the

forum also.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:16:55 AM

>

Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

>

>

> Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited.

But for sure I know that -

> * Abhira's had a great history

> * Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural

role in the ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of.

> * More light should be put into the culture and contribution of

Sindhu-Sarasvati/ Jain/Parthian/ Cythian contribution to the cultural

history of India.

> * More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric) /Nigama

(Vedic) cultural contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga

Cults and the people who worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/ Muruka as well

as Siva/Pasupati/ Nakuleesa etc.

> Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got

either destroyed or misunderstood.

>

> I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the

sense they are not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic

or vishnava cults) that reaped success; they were not part of the

casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic (e.g. Sanskrit) trends that

reaped success. But still the contribution those ancient people

(Ravana/yeksha/ Abhira/Skanda/ Mleschha/ Meluha/Naga/

Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond

measure. I am interested in these words and their forgotten history -

if at all available.

> It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -

> ==>

> > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or

whose

> > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last

of the

> > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9.

This

> > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the

play

> > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being

overthrown

> > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially

herdsmen.

> <==

> Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc)

as you puts it, but the guidance and direction he provides is

certainly valuable. (Me getting inspired possibly due to my word

association Abhira/Ujjain/ Sivadatta/ Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era

and son. (as my understanding of history is much limited)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max

Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have

from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the

characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that

the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> > May be this info could also be useful -

> > ==

> > Shudraka

> > Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives

details

> > of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama

Veda,

> > mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of

> > elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the knowledge

shown

> > in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after

> > establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse

sacrifice,

> > he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and

ten days.

> > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or

whose

> > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last

of the

> > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9.

This

> > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the

play

> > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being

overthrown

> > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially

herdsmen.

> >

> > Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika

> >

> > *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from

> > http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category=

33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & p\

> > age=11

> > <http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category=

33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & \

> > page=11> )<==

> >

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji and Jayaji,

 

I have uploaded the paper in the file section. It can also be accessed via the

following link:

 

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oM-hSP00n0rdu_03P0VeWa9Lb9PRa5H5nMHi1zmggGbWVGhUKoq\

U0WS2ukE4B6W8mhz9RdM8WA8GBD4rYxoMqoup53VsHTSwDtvUhZADZsFVxw/ConferenceDocSKB.pdf

 

Regards,

Sunil K Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

revati_n27 <revati_n27

 

Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:08:51 AM

Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva

Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

 

 

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjyaji:

 

Please download your paper, I love to read the same.

 

I have read recently the following book/article which refers the Max

Muller theory and reasons for the distortion. It is OK.

 

" New Light on the Origins of Vedic Civilization, by Kenneth Chandler

PhD "

 

Jaya

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> Yes, ancient Indian history has been distorted. Recently I had

> been to the WAVES conference at Orlando in June 2008.

> At this conference I presented a paper on the Dotted Record and its

> impact on ancient Indian chronology. In that paper I have uncovered

> several serious mistakes (or can we call these as crimes) of the

> colonial historians and the post-colonial Marxist historians in

> wilfully bypassing the past historical records (ie. the ancient

> itihasas), the Buddhist and the Jaina records as well as the records

> of Megasthenes and Alberuni. I have also uncovered the real reason

> for Prof. max Muller's speculation of AIT and timing it in the 15th

> century BCE. Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the

> capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir William

> Jones as Pataliputra. Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord

> Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed

> that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the studies

> on Indian history.

>

> If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that to

you and

> if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the

forum also.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:16:55 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology]

Re:Sudraka/Mrischak atika/Yallaya/ Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

>

>

> Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited.

But for sure I know that -

> * Abhira's had a great history

> * Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural

role in the ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of.

> * More light should be put into the culture and contribution of

Sindhu-Sarasvati/ Jain/Parthian/ Cythian contribution to the cultural

history of India.

> * More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric) /Nigama

(Vedic) cultural contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga

Cults and the people who worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/ Muruka as well

as Siva/Pasupati/ Nakuleesa etc.

> Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got

either destroyed or misunderstood.

>

> I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the

sense they are not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic

or vishnava cults) that reaped success; they were not part of the

casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic (e.g. Sanskrit) trends that

reaped success. But still the contribution those ancient people

(Ravana/yeksha/ Abhira/Skanda/ Mleschha/ Meluha/Naga/

Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond

measure. I am interested in these words and their forgotten history -

if at all available.

> It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -

> ==>

> > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or

whose

> > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last

of the

> > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9.

This

> > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the

play

> > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being

overthrown

> > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially

herdsmen.

> <==

> Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc)

as you puts it, but the guidance and direction he provides is

certainly valuable. (Me getting inspired possibly due to my word

association Abhira/Ujjain/ Sivadatta/ Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era

and son. (as my understanding of history is much limited)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max

Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have

from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the

characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that

the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> > May be this info could also be useful -

> > ==

> > Shudraka

> > Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives

details

> > of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama

Veda,

> > mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of

> > elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the knowledge

shown

> > in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after

> > establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse

sacrifice,

> > he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and

ten days.

> > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or

whose

> > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last

of the

> > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9.

This

> > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the

play

> > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being

overthrown

> > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially

herdsmen.

> >

> > Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika

> >

> > *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from

> > http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category=

33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & p\

> > age=11

> > <http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category=

33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & \

> > page=11> )<==

> >

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharjya ji

Thanks for the file ,i read it,u raised so many valid points ,may b we can reveal more in time to come ,I appreciate ur efforts .

Now let other more knowledgeable in history say what they need to tell .

 

thanks and regrds

 

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji and Jayaji,> > I have uploaded the paper in the file section. It can also be accessed via the following link: > > http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/oM-hSP00n0rdu_03P0VeWa9Lb9PRa5H5nMHi1zmggGbWVGhUKoqU0WS2ukE4B6W8mhz9RdM8WA8GBD4rYxoMqoup53VsHTSwDtvUhZADZsFVxw/ConferenceDocSKB.pdf> > Regards,> Sunil K Bhattacharjya> > > > revati_n27 revati_n27 > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:08:51 AM> Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)> > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjyaji:> > Please download your paper, I love to read the same. > > I have read recently the following book/article which refers the Max > Muller theory and reasons for the distortion. It is OK. > > "New Light on the Origins of Vedic Civilization, by Kenneth Chandler > PhD" > > Jaya> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > Yes, ancient Indian history has been distorted. Recently I had> > been to the WAVES conference at Orlando in June 2008.> > At this conference I presented a paper on the Dotted Record and its> > impact on ancient Indian chronology. In that paper I have uncovered> > several serious mistakes (or can we call these as crimes) of the> > colonial historians and the post-colonial Marxist historians in> > wilfully bypassing the past historical records (ie. the ancient> > itihasas), the Buddhist and the Jaina records as well as the records> > of Megasthenes and Alberuni. I have also uncovered the real reason> > for Prof. max Muller's speculation of AIT and timing it in the 15th> > century BCE. Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the> > capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir William> > Jones as Pataliputra. Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord> > Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed > > that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the studies> > on Indian history.> > > > If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that to > you and > > if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the > forum also. > > > > Regards,> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:16:55 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > Re:Sudraka/Mrischak atika/Yallaya/ Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)> > > > > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > > You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited. > But for sure I know that -> > * Abhira's had a great history> > * Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural > role in the ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of.> > * More light should be put into the culture and contribution of > Sindhu-Sarasvati/ Jain/Parthian/ Cythian contribution to the cultural > history of India.> > * More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric) /Nigama> (Vedic) cultural contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga > Cults and the people who worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/ Muruka as well > as Siva/Pasupati/ Nakuleesa etc. > > Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got > either destroyed or misunderstood.> > > > I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the > sense they are not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic > or vishnava cults) that reaped success; they were not part of the > casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic (e.g. Sanskrit) trends that > reaped success. But still the contribution those ancient people > (Ravana/yeksha/ Abhira/Skanda/ Mleschha/ Meluha/Naga/ > Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond > measure. I am interested in these words and their forgotten history -> if at all available. > > It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -> > ==>> > > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or > whose> > > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last > of the> > > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. > This> > > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the > play> > > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being > overthrown> > > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially > herdsmen.> > <==> > Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc) > as you puts it, but the guidance and direction he provides is > certainly valuable. (Me getting inspired possibly due to my word > association Abhira/Ujjain/ Sivadatta/ Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era > and son. (as my understanding of history is much limited)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil > Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max > Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have > from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the > characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that > the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,> > > May be this info could also be useful -> > > ==> > > Shudraka> > > Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives > details> > > of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama > Veda,> > > mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of> > > elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the knowledge > shown> > > in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after> > > establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse > sacrifice,> > > he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and > ten days.> > > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or > whose> > > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last > of the> > > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. > This> > > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the > play> > > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being > overthrown> > > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially > herdsmen.> > > > > > Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika> > > > > > *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from> > > http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category= > 33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & p\> > > age=11> > > <http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category= > 33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & \> > > page=11> )<==> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,==>Pt -1-----> Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the> capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir William> Jones as Pataliputra.Pt -2-----> Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord> Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed > that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the studies> on Indian history.<== Those are interesting bits of info!! Can you provide the details - what where your observations and conclusions? ==>> If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that to you and

> if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the forum also. <== Yes, of course! Please proceed by providing the copy of the file. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > Yes, ancient Indian history has been distorted. Recently I had> been to the WAVES conference at Orlando in June 2008.> At this conference I presented a paper on the Dotted Record and its> impact on ancient Indian chronology. In that paper I have uncovered> several serious mistakes (or can we call these as crimes) of the> colonial historians and the post-colonial Marxist historians in> wilfully bypassing the past historical records (ie. the ancient> itihasas), the Buddhist and the Jaina records as well as the records> of Megasthenes and Alberuni. I have also uncovered the real reason> for Prof. max Muller's speculation of AIT and timing it in the 15th> century BCE. Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the> capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir William> Jones as Pataliputra. Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord> Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed > that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the studies> on Indian history.> > If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that to you and > if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the forum also. > > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:16:55 AM> Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)> > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited. But for sure I know that -> * Abhira's had a great history> * Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural role in the ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of.> * More light should be put into the culture and contribution of Sindhu-Sarasvati/ Jain/Parthian/ Cythian contribution to the cultural history of India.> * More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric) /Nigama(Vedic) cultural contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga Cults and the people who worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/ Muruka as well as Siva/Pasupati/ Nakuleesa etc. > Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got either destroyed or misunderstood.> > I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the sense they are not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic or vishnava cults) that reaped success; they were not part of the casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic (e.g. Sanskrit) trends that reaped success. But still the contribution those ancient people (Ravana/yeksha/ Abhira/Skanda/ Mleschha/ Meluha/Naga/ Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond measure. I am interested in these words and their forgotten history - if at all available. > It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -> ==>> > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or whose> > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last of the> > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. This> > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the play> > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being overthrown> > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially herdsmen.> <==> Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc) as you puts it, but the guidance and direction he provides is certainly valuable. (Me getting inspired possibly due to my word association Abhira/Ujjain/ Sivadatta/ Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era and son. (as my understanding of history is much limited)> Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,> > May be this info could also be useful -> > ==> > Shudraka> > Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives details> > of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama Veda,> > mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of> > elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the knowledge shown> > in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after> > establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse sacrifice,> > he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and ten days.> > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who, or whose> > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the last of the> > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9. This> > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in the play> > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being overthrown> > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially herdsmen.> > > > Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika> > > > *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from> > http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category= 33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & p\> > age=11> > <http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category= 33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & \> > page=11> )<==> > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jayaji,

 

The drying up of the river Saraswati due to the tectonic upheaval, which led to

the diversion of Satadru towards Indus (Sindhu) had a serious effect on the

sites of Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) or the Sindhu-Saraswati Civilization

(SSC), which led to the abandonment of the cities. It could be due to the drying

of the farm-land on one side (which led to the emptying of the granaries) and

flood on the other side, making the cities uninhabitable or both occurring at

the same time on two sides. All evidences point to the fact that by the time

Lord Buddha was born in the 19th century BCE the SSC cities were evacuated..

Thus any remnants there beyond 1900 BCE are not likely to be Buddhist Stupa.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

revati_n27 <revati_n27

 

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:19:57 AM

Re:Sudraka/Mrischakatika/Yallaya/Atharva

Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

 

 

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji:

 

The paper is very interesting and informative. Thanks for sharing.

 

I have read in one article that Bhuddhist stupa was found in the

remains of the Indus city (Harappa). But it is controversial as to

whether bhuddhist stupa or remains of temple or monument. I am not

sure about the time line either but if Bhuddha lived before what we

belive, these archeological evidences might add to that.

 

Jaya

 

the ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> 1)

> The contention of Sir William Jones was that though Megasthenes

said that Palibothra was at the confluence of Ganga and Yamuna there

was no ancient city at that place. He assumed that Megasthenes was

wrong. He announced /presented it to an all-European audience in the

Asiatic Society, immediately after founding it. He did not allow any

native Indian to become a member of that society. Only towards the

end of five decades that the door of the Asiatic society was open to

the Indians. It was an all-English decision. Either he had not known

that there was an ancient city there (the remnant of which is Jhusi)

or it was just his pre-meditated action. Either way I would not like

him to condone his action of distorting the Indian history. He

unilaterally decided that Palibothra must be Pataliputra. Mind that

he kept the Indian scholars out of any discussion. Unfortunately

there were noimmediate protest against that from Indian scholars

probably because they

> were kept out of it by thecolonial masters or they were unaware of

the machinations of Sir Jones.

>

> Sir Jones then said that Pataliputra at the confluence of Ganga and

Sone (more a seasonal river) was the Palibothra. But there was a

problem because Megasthenes described some rivers other that Ganga

and Yamuna and Sone was among those rivers. To overcome this problem

Sir Jones said that Megasthenes was wrong and that this error crept

in because he (Megasthenes) was negligent. Mind that Megasthenes was

the man on the spot and 2000 years later Sir Jones tried to prove

Megasthenes wrong. Having maintained that Megasthenes was wrong Sir

Jones went on to choose Pataliputra as Palibothra and as it was known

that Chandragupta Maurya ruled from Pataliputra, the ancient capital

of Magadha, he came to the conclusion that Sandrocottus was

Chandragupta Maurya. Thus in one stroke he wiped out more than one

millennium of the antiquity of ancient Indian history.

>

> 2)

> As regards the second point you may be aware that Nigantha

Nataputta (Nirgrantha Nathaputra) is mentioned in Buddhist literature

as contemporary of Lord Buddha. Jainism is an ancient off-shoot of

the Sanatana dharma, more in line with Sankhya. Sankhya does not

speak of God as " Ishwarah Asiddhah " ie. God cannot be proved but does

speak of an eternal cause, so also Jainism and Buddhism do not speak

about God. Nigantha Nataputta was a Jaina teacher. At that time the

word Jaina was not used. The word gained prominence after Lord

Mahavira Many Jaina scholars think that Nigantha Nataputta was none

other than Lord Mahavira and that Lord Mahavira's disciple Indrabhuti

Gautama (ie.of Gautama Gotra) was Gautama Buddha (whose Gotra was

also Gautama). With this confusion they suggested that Lord Buddha

was a contemporary of Lord Mahavira. But Nigantha Nataputta died in

Kushinara in UP and Lord Mahavira died in Pawapura in Bihar and the

distance between these two

> places is about 400 kilometers. Moreover the teachings of them

were not the same as I mentioned in my paper. The linguistic evidence

shown in my paper aso shows that they cannot be contemporaries.

>

> I tried to give a lot of details beyond what is given in the paper.

I am glad that the paper is evoking interest.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:34:57 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology]

Re:Sudraka/Mrischak atika/Yallaya/ Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

>

>

> Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> ==>

> Pt -1

> -----

> > Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the

> > capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir

William

> > Jones as Pataliputra.

> Pt -2

> -----

> > Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord

> > Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed

> > that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the

studies

> > on Indian history.

> <==

> Those are interesting bits of info!! Can you provide the

details - what where your observations and conclusions?

> ==>

> > If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that

to you and

> > if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the

forum also.

> <==

> Yes, of course! Please proceed by providing the copy of the

file.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > Yes, ancient Indian history has been distorted. Recently I had

> > been to the WAVES conference at Orlando in June 2008.

> > At this conference I presented a paper on the Dotted Record and

its

> > impact on ancient Indian chronology. In that paper I have

uncovered

> > several serious mistakes (or can we call these as crimes) of the

> > colonial historians and the post-colonial Marxist historians in

> > wilfully bypassing the past historical records (ie. the ancient

> > itihasas), the Buddhist and the Jaina records as well as the

records

> > of Megasthenes and Alberuni. I have also uncovered the real

reason

> > for Prof. max Muller's speculation of AIT and timing it in the

15th

> > century BCE. Fir the first time I have identified Palibothra , the

> > capital of Sandrocottus, which was wrongly identified by Sir

William

> > Jones as Pataliputra. Many people think that Lord Buddha and Lord

> > Mahavira were contemporaries but this not so and I have discussed

> > that too in the paper. This is my humble contribution to the

studies

> > on Indian history.

> >

> > If you think it is of interest to you I can send a copy of that

to you and

> > if it is of interest to other members you can upload it in the

forum also.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh sreesog@

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:16:55 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Sudraka/Mrischak

atika/Yallaya/ Atharva Veda Parisishtha (53.3.5)

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> > You might be right - my knowledge in history is much limited.

But for sure I know that -

> > * Abhira's had a great history

> > * Ujjain, Kalinga and Gujrat might have played a mojor cultural

role in the ancient history of Indian than we might have thought of.

> > * More light should be put into the culture and contribution of

Sindhu-Sarasvati/ Jain/Parthian/ Cythian contribution to the cultural

history of India.

> > * More light should be thrown into the Agana(Tantric) /Nigama

(Vedic) cultural contributions and the contibutions of Siva/Naga

Cults and the people who worshiped Skanda/Kartikeya/ Muruka as well

as Siva/Pasupati/ Nakuleesa etc.

> > Much history and evidences (archeological and bookish) got

either destroyed or misunderstood.

> >

> > I am in favor of this lost history of the weak; yes, weak in the

sense they are not part of the major cults (such as brahmanic, vedic

or vishnava cults) that reaped success; they were not part of the

casts (e.g. brahmanic) or linguistic (e.g. Sanskrit) trends that

reaped success. But still the contribution those ancient people

(Ravana/yeksha/ Abhira/Skanda/ Mleschha/ Meluha/Naga/

Panini/Nakuleesa numerous words come to mind) made was beyond

measure. I am interested in these words and their forgotten history -

if at all available.

> > It greatly interests me when prof. Konow tells us that -

> > ==>

> > > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who,

or whose

> > > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the

last of the

> > > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9.

This

> > > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in

the play

> > > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being

overthrown

> > > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially

herdsmen.

> > <==

> > Certainly he could be wrong about the dating (i.e. AD 248 etc)

as you puts it, but the guidance and direction he provides is

certainly valuable. (Me getting inspired possibly due to my word

association Abhira/Ujjain/ Sivadatta/ Overthown by Aryaka/Cedi era

and son. (as my understanding of history is much limited)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > It appears to me that Prof. Konow was influenced by the Max

Mullerian chronolgy. According to the dynastic information we have

from the Bhagavad purana. Palaka was a more ancient king and all the

characters of Mricchakatika support that. That is why it appears that

the sloka given by Yallaya may be able to throw more light on that.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji and Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

> > > May be this info could also be useful -

> > > ==

> > > Shudraka

> > > Shudraka's only existent play presents him as a king, and gives

details

> > > of his capacities; he was an expert in the Rig Veda, the Sama

Veda,

> > > mathematics, the arts regarding courtesans, and the science of

> > > elephants, all facts which could be concluded from the

knowledge shown

> > > in the play itself; he was cured of some complaint, and after

> > > establishing his son in his place, and performing the horse

sacrifice,

> > > he entered the fire and died at the age of a hundred years and

ten days.

> > > Professor Konow finds in him the Abhira prince Sivadatta, who,

or whose

> > > son, Isvarasena, is held by Dr. Fleet to have overthrown the

last of the

> > > Andhra dynasty and to have founded the Cedi era of A.D. 248-9.

This

> > > remarkable result is held to be supported by the fact that in

the play

> > > the king of Ujjayini is Palaka, and is represented as being

overthrown

> > > by Aryaka, son of a herdsman, and the Abhiras are essentially

herdsmen.

> > >

> > > Shudraka's Dramas: Mrcchakatika

> > >

> > > *Source: The Sanskrit Drama, A. Berriedale Keith (from

> > > http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category=

33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & p\

> > > age=11

> > > <http://www.swaveda. com/background. php?category=

33 & title=Indian% 20Drama & \

> > > page=11> )<==

> > >

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> >

>