Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Members, Being late on this, will try to avoid any critical observations made by other members..... though I have not gone through other's post.... Birth Data : Male, 28-Oct-1979, 07:00 hrs., Trichur, Kerala, India, Lat. 10:32N, Long 76:14E. Subject : Mental retardancy..... Analysis: Two strong planets debilitated in Kendra, one in Lagna - Head, then again by Mars, aspecting Lagna. The lagna is having double affliction. Then strength of LL in Lagna saved him to survive. Moon chart same thing repeats again. Deb. Mars aspecting Moon, tone downs the thinking or mind development. Such people lack coherent thinking on any subject. Moon in Saturn's sign, movable sign....etc. The same repeats in Sun chart also. 4HL & 5HL Saturn also aspecting Lagna, Lagna Lord, Sun....what an affliction !! When Birth, Moon & Sun charts are reaffirming the same.....i.e. body, mind, soul affliction. The core kendras lack the strength. Then going to Trine Lords. 5HL Saturn & 9HL Mercury both are in inimical signs. So the hororscope lacks support of Trines also. 10HL Moon aspecting its own house, though very very weak, gives some faint hope, similar to the LL Venus. Possibly this native's mother is a working or earning member in the family, directly or indirectly, may be looking knowledgeable but a confused person with weak will power. The native's balance of dasha{BOD} at birth is Sun Mahadasha of 2 yrs. 7 months, followed by 10 yrs of Moon, 7 yrs. Mars = total 19.7 yrs has sealed the fate of the native beyond any repair..... Rahu in 5/11 axis, in Leo sign, dispositor debilitated, in Lagna, with 6HL Jupiter, exalted in navamsa sign of Cancer, Rahu & Jupiter sharing amsa sambandha..... is a Blacksmith's forging hammer on the native....to previous already heavily beaten hororscope. Saturn in Leo at 29 deg. 18 min in Jupiter navamsa of Sagittarius, conjunct with Jupiter, aspecting its dispositor.....in Sun's nakshatra..... is the final blow.... Excellent example of a affliction.... Just for strength of LL Venus in own sign Libra, in bhagyamsa of Gemini....Lagna in 20 deg.22 min in Jupiter's nakshatra...... keeps the native to pull or live a dead life. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Members, A rejoinder to my previous analysis a little while before..... inspite of all those afflictions..etc. cannot say that the native is in hospital. Members, to discuss why such a highly afflicted hororscope....does not end up in hospital!! I have made few more observations, offline to the original query raiser or chart contributor Mr. Sunil Nair, beyond the subject of discussion.....i.e. on the native's family, wealth...etc.. which members may make passing remarks or predictions. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Sreeram ji, I've said in my earlier mail also, the native is strong despite multiple afflictions. How will he suffer his past karmas if the body lets him down. Strong lagna and benefics in Kendra would make him fight the adversities through family support. Navamsha position is better, so he is able to hold on and can be expected to improve in future. Native should belong to a rich and status family. Family might be having agricultural lands. May be a pampered child. For the past 7-8 years, the family might've done a lot to improve his condition and slight improvement is possible. He is not taken to the hospital, as planets do not show hospitalisation in his case, but might've gone for remedies and other alternate treatments. Might've got cheated also by so called godmen and gurus. Close conjunction of Jupiter with Rahu, both in ketu's nakshatra, posited is in 5H, indicate a past life connection with the suffering. End of 2009, in Ra-ke dasha, when Jupiter transits 5H and rahu is in sagitarius, he might find someone to cure him of his problems, or atleast alleviate the suffering. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Ram Jaswal ji, Please note that as per Prasnamarga there are 2 rules for calculating Bhakastana - one of them is known as Samanya Badha and the other as Maha Badha, the second being the major and important one. [Actually as per other texts, apart from these two there are other methods to calculate Badhaka stana as well] You are referring to the calculation method for Samanya Badha when you say that 11th house is Badhaka stana for Movable signs. But I was referring to the concept of Mahabadha which is more important as per which Aq is the badhaka sign for all movable signs. Hope this clarifies, and helps you to look at things in a wider perspective. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Sreenadh ji> > Just a "small" correction - Badhakastana for Moveable Signs are 11th from> them eg for Libra - Leo is Badhaka and Not Aqu (5th Hse) ...> > Best wishes ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> 10 August 2008 12:45> > Re: Manda budhis> > Dear Renu ji, > We should consider the following points in the said chart -> * Since it is about 'Buddhi', 5th house and 5th lord should be> considered.> * The Dasa under gone from birth till date should be Non-beneficial.> * Jupiter, Sun and Moon (Consciousness, Soul and Mind) should be weak or> afflicted in some way or the other. > Let consider the following chart and try to see, how it is in the said> chart. We can note the following -> * The 5th lord Saturn is enemies house (in Sun's house in 11th and 11th> HL is debilitated) in 11th House along with the 6th (disease lord) Jupiter.> The 5th house is Badhakastana for Movable sign (Libra Lagna) and the Jupiter> is the depositor of Gulika as well as the 6th lord. Further both 5th and> 11th are afflicted by Ra-Ke axis. > * The Dasa at birth is that of Sun placed in its debilitation sign Libra> very near to its maximum degree of debilitation (i.e. near 10th degree).> Please note that the Dasa running at birth was that of debilitated Sun and> the Antara was that of 5th lord Saturn. After Sun's dasa it was the dasa of> Moon - placed in 4th house (Mind) aspected by the malefic Mars placed in it> sign of debilitation Cancer. After that came the dasa of Mars itself having> its 8th aspect in 5th house (intellect) and having its Navamsa in 5th house> (intellect)! Then comes the dasa of Rahu the planet afflicting 5th lord> Saturn! And of Jupiter, the 6th lord as well as Gulika depositer! In short t> the Dasa under gone from birth till date are Non-beneficial.> * Jupiter is afflicted by Ra-Ke, it is the 6th lord as well as the> Gulika depositor. Sun is very near its maximum degree of debilitation and> is aspected by 2 major malefics i.e. Saturn (with its 3rd aspect) and Mars> (with its 4th aspect). Moon is placed in 4th house aspe cted by debilitated> Mars placed 10th; i.e. Moon (the Mind) is aflicted by the same Mars which> aflicts the 5th house (intellect) as well with its 8th aspect! > Certainly all these together can indicate very bad results including> lack of intellect, health problems, problems to Mother (Moon) and Father> (Sun), and poverty. It is certainly a non beneficial horoscope. > But certainly as renu ji indicates it is it easy to derive the reasons in> a post mortom analysis, but very difficult to derive the same results when> the horoscope is given to us without any prior clue. > Love and regards,> Sreeandh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > DearSunil ji,> > > > Based on your short description as to what conditions make a native > > manda budhi...let me give a try..> > > > The only benefic in a kendra is Moon. But it is afflicted by > > debilitated 2HL & 7HL Mars, a maraka for Libra Lagna. Moon is in its > > enemey's house. On the other hand Moon is in digbala and in shukla > > paksha.> > > > Lagna and LL are afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars. > > > > Sun is debilitated and afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars.> > > > 5H is afflicted by debilitated Mars. 5H is aspected by Saturn too, a > > malefic. But as it is said that when the lord of a house aspects its > > own house, the particular house gets strengthened it may lessen the > > malefic effect a little. Again 5H is afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. > > All the natural malefics afflict 5H.> > > > 5HL Saturn is in Rahu-Ketu axis, hence afflicted. > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. This "budhi karaka > > guru" and Rahu are in the same degrees. Hence doubly afflicted.> > > > The native was born in the Major perio d of debilitated Sun and Sub > > period of heavily afflicted Jupiter, the 6HL. The dasas unfolding > > thereafter too seem to be not beneficial for the native.> > > > Conclusion: the native may be a sickly person from birth. May be > > manda buddi too...but then I doubt it as you would not give an > > obvious case:)> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > dear grp and learned memebrs> > > > > > what astro combination in chart make some one a manda budhi .> > > > > > manda budhi mean those who dont hav the intelligence of ordinary > > persons> > > and they can liv only by the help and support of others .It also > > givs> > > tens ion and mental problems for thier parents and relativs too .> > > > > > when intellect ( budhi ) is not devlped those persons we can > > call> > > manda budhies ,And it is happening because of various > > reasons ,some r> > > birth defects ,some cases it comes tru sickness happneing in child > > hood> > > ,in some cases it can happen tru accidents and the brain > > affected .Now a> > > days i find even the vaccines ( it is the most contributing factor > > and> > > being discussed in devlped world and in india we r still dont > > bother abt> > > it and we r becoming testing ground of all MNC medicinal > > comapnies )> > > even some medicines prescribed for pregant mothers can b a > > contributing> > > factor and ayurveda was against giving medicines ( some medicines > > esply> > > ) to pregant woman other than a spl charya and herbal food .Also > & gt; some> > > equipments used while delivery also can b a contributing factor .> > > > > > > > > > > > Budhi ,memory ,prathibha ,manas etc all r functions of brain .so > > siro> > > sthana ( lagna and LL) budhi karaka guru ,mana:karaka ,sareera deha> > > karaka moon and lagna atama karaka sun etc may b taken and see its> > > condition ,afflictions ,etc ,also see the condition of 5th L and > > House (> > > as it is house of prathibha )> > > > > > if all this r good placement ,condition and subha drishti etc can > > giv> > > good intellegent person and otherwise depending on concetration of> > > afflction the problem can b little to serious ones.> > > > > > > > > > > > In Hora ( viyoni janma prakarana ) it is said the strnght and > > quality of> > > lagna ,sun ,moon and guru is reason for human birth and if this is> > & gt; decresing it can giv animal birth to trees and plants .> > > > > > so in case of manda budhies we can assume and take this above said> > > places and planets (lagna ,LL ,sun,moon ,guru ) will b weaker > > along> > > with 5th house .> > > > > > Based on above pointers one can expand this and giv own versions > > too> > > based on exprnce and knowledge .> > > > > > > > > > > > May b we can discuss some charts> > > > > > i am giving one chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > October 28, 1979> > > Time: 7:00:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 76 E 13' 00", 10 N 31' 00"> > > Trichur, India> > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (1.72% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)> & gt; > Nakshatra: Uttarashadha (Su) (43.07% left)> > > Yoga: Dhriti (Ra) (14.58% left)> > > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (3.45% left)> > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Ar)> > > Sunrise: 6:18:46> > > Sunset: 17:59:11> > > > > > > > > > > > i like to hear ur readings and comments based on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > >> >> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release 8/9/2008> 1:22 PM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, Thanks for pointing out the areas that should be considered to look for Manda Buddhi in a chart. Bhaskaran ji has mentioned 11H as Badhakastana and you have mentioned 5H as Badhakastana. I was confused until I read the clarification mady by you later...thanks for that too. blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > We should consider the following points in the said chart - > * Since it is about 'Buddhi', 5th house and 5th lord should be > considered. > * The Dasa under gone from birth till date should be Non- beneficial. > * Jupiter, Sun and Moon (Consciousness, Soul and Mind) should be weak > or afflicted in some way or the other. > Let consider the following chart and try to see, how it is in the > said chart. We can note the following - > * The 5th lord Saturn is enemies house (in Sun's house in 11th and > 11th HL is debilitated) in 11th House along with the 6th (disease lord) > Jupiter. The 5th house is Badhakastana for Movable sign (Libra Lagna) > and the Jupiter is the depositor of Gulika as well as the 6th lord. > Further both 5th and 11th are afflicted by Ra-Ke axis. > * The Dasa at birth is that of Sun placed in its debilitation sign > Libra very near to its maximum degree of debilitation (i.e. near 10th > degree). Please note that the Dasa running at birth was that of > debilitated Sun and the Antara was that of 5th lord Saturn. After Sun's > dasa it was the dasa of Moon - placed in 4th house (Mind) aspected by > the malefic Mars placed in it sign of debilitation Cancer. After that > came the dasa of Mars itself having its 8th aspect in 5th house > (intellect) and having its Navamsa in 5th house (intellect)! Then comes > the dasa of Rahu the planet afflicting 5th lord Saturn! And of Jupiter, > the 6th lord as well as Gulika depositer! In short t the Dasa under gone > from birth till date are Non-beneficial. > * Jupiter is afflicted by Ra-Ke, it is the 6th lord as well as the > Gulika depositor. Sun is very near its maximum degree of debilitation > and is aspected by 2 major malefics i.e. Saturn (with its 3rd aspect) > and Mars (with its 4th aspect). Moon is placed in 4th house aspected by > debilitated Mars placed 10th; i.e. Moon (the Mind) is aflicted by the > same Mars which aflicts the 5th house (intellect) as well with its 8th > aspect! > Certainly all these together can indicate very bad results including > lack of intellect, health problems, problems to Mother (Moon) and Father > (Sun), and poverty. It is certainly a non beneficial horoscope. > But certainly as renu ji indicates it is it easy to derive the > reasons in a post mortom analysis, but very difficult to derive the > same results when the horoscope is given to us without any prior clue. > Love and regards, > Sreeandh > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > DearSunil ji, > > > > Based on your short description as to what conditions make a native > > manda budhi...let me give a try.. > > > > The only benefic in a kendra is Moon. But it is afflicted by > > debilitated 2HL & 7HL Mars, a maraka for Libra Lagna. Moon is in its > > enemey's house. On the other hand Moon is in digbala and in shukla > > paksha. > > > > Lagna and LL are afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars. > > > > Sun is debilitated and afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars. > > > > 5H is afflicted by debilitated Mars. 5H is aspected by Saturn too, a > > malefic. But as it is said that when the lord of a house aspects its > > own house, the particular house gets strengthened it may lessen the > > malefic effect a little. Again 5H is afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. > > All the natural malefics afflict 5H. > > > > 5HL Saturn is in Rahu-Ketu axis, hence afflicted. > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. This " budhi karaka > > guru " and Rahu are in the same degrees. Hence doubly afflicted. > > > > The native was born in the Major period of debilitated Sun and Sub > > period of heavily afflicted Jupiter, the 6HL. The dasas unfolding > > thereafter too seem to be not beneficial for the native. > > > > Conclusion: the native may be a sickly person from birth. May be > > manda buddi too...but then I doubt it as you would not give an > > obvious case:) > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear grp and learned memebrs > > > > > > what astro combination in chart make some one a manda budhi . > > > > > > manda budhi mean those who dont hav the intelligence of ordinary > > persons > > > and they can liv only by the help and support of others .It also > > givs > > > tension and mental problems for thier parents and relativs too . > > > > > > when intellect ( budhi ) is not devlped those persons we can > > call > > > manda budhies ,And it is happening because of various > > reasons ,some r > > > birth defects ,some cases it comes tru sickness happneing in child > > hood > > > ,in some cases it can happen tru accidents and the brain > > affected .Now a > > > days i find even the vaccines ( it is the most contributing factor > > and > > > being discussed in devlped world and in india we r still dont > > bother abt > > > it and we r becoming testing ground of all MNC medicinal > > comapnies ) > > > even some medicines prescribed for pregant mothers can b a > > contributing > > > factor and ayurveda was against giving medicines ( some medicines > > esply > > > ) to pregant woman other than a spl charya and herbal food .Also > > some > > > equipments used while delivery also can b a contributing factor . > > > > > > > > > > > > Budhi ,memory ,prathibha ,manas etc all r functions of brain .so > > siro > > > sthana ( lagna and LL) budhi karaka guru ,mana:karaka ,sareera deha > > > karaka moon and lagna atama karaka sun etc may b taken and see its > > > condition ,afflictions ,etc ,also see the condition of 5th L and > > House ( > > > as it is house of prathibha ) > > > > > > if all this r good placement ,condition and subha drishti etc can > > giv > > > good intellegent person and otherwise depending on concetration of > > > afflction the problem can b little to serious ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Hora ( viyoni janma prakarana ) it is said the strnght and > > quality of > > > lagna ,sun ,moon and guru is reason for human birth and if this is > > > decresing it can giv animal birth to trees and plants . > > > > > > so in case of manda budhies we can assume and take this above said > > > places and planets (lagna ,LL ,sun,moon ,guru ) will b weaker > > along > > > with 5th house . > > > > > > Based on above pointers one can expand this and giv own versions > > too > > > based on exprnce and knowledge . > > > > > > > > > > > > May b we can discuss some charts > > > > > > i am giving one chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > October 28, 1979 > > > Time: 7:00:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 76 E 13' 00 " , 10 N 31' 00 " > > > Trichur, India > > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (1.72% left) > > > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su) > > > Nakshatra: Uttarashadha (Su) (43.07% left) > > > Yoga: Dhriti (Ra) (14.58% left) > > > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (3.45% left) > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Ar) > > > Sunrise: 6:18:46 > > > Sunset: 17:59:11 > > > > > > > > > > > > i like to hear ur readings and comments based on the chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Namaste Sreenadh ji Yes in deed - many thanks for the additional information about the " different " types of Badhaka's - to be honest I hadn't heard about these before ... If you don't mind my asking what would be the Maha Badha for Fixed and Dual signs? Thanks and regards ... Jai Sita Ram Ram _____ On Behalf Of Sreenadh 10 August 2008 16:35 Re: Manda budhis Dear Ram Jaswal ji, Please note that as per Prasnamarga there are 2 rules for calculating Bhakastana - one of them is known as Samanya Badha and the other as Maha Badha, the second being the major and important one. [Actually as per other texts, apart from these two there are other methods to calculate Badhaka stana as well] You are referring to the calculation method for Samanya Badha when you say that 11th house is Badhaka stana for Movable signs. But I was referring to the concept of Mahabadha which is more important as per which Aq is the badhaka sign for all movable signs. Hope this clarifies, and helps you to look at things in a wider perspective. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Sreenadh ji > > Just a " small " correction - Badhakastana for Moveable Signs are 11th from > them eg for Libra - Leo is Badhaka and Not Aqu (5th Hse) ... > > Best wishes ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > 10 August 2008 12:45 > > Re: Manda budhis > > Dear Renu ji, > We should consider the following points in the said chart - > * Since it is about 'Buddhi', 5th house and 5th lord should be > considered. > * The Dasa under gone from birth till date should be Non-beneficial. > * Jupiter, Sun and Moon (Consciousness, Soul and Mind) should be weak or > afflicted in some way or the other. > Let c onsider the following chart and try to see, how it is in the said > chart. We can note the following - > * The 5th lord Saturn is enemies house (in Sun's house in 11th and 11th > HL is debilitated) in 11th House along with the 6th (disease lord) Jupiter. > The 5th house is Badhakastana for Movable sign (Libra Lagna) and the Jupiter > is the depositor of Gulika as well as the 6th lord. Further both 5th and > 11th are afflicted by Ra-Ke axis. > * The Dasa at birth is that of Sun placed in its debilitation sign Libra > very near to its maximum degree of debilitation (i.e. near 10th degree). > Please note that the Dasa running at birth was that of debilitated Sun and > the Antara was that of 5th lord Saturn. After Sun's dasa it was the dasa of > Moon - placed in 4th house (Mind) aspected by the malefic Mars placed in it > sign of debilitation Cancer. After that came the dasa of Mars itself having > it s 8th aspect in 5th house (intellect) and having its Navamsa in 5th house > (intellect)! Then comes the dasa of Rahu the planet afflicting 5th lord > Saturn! And of Jupiter, the 6th lord as well as Gulika depositer! In short t > the Dasa under gone from birth till date are Non-beneficial. > * Jupiter is afflicted by Ra-Ke, it is the 6th lord as well as the > Gulika depositor. Sun is very near its maximum degree of debilitation and > is aspected by 2 major malefics i.e. Saturn (with its 3rd aspect) and Mars > (with its 4th aspect). Moon is placed in 4th house aspe cted by debilitated > Mars placed 10th; i.e. Moon (the Mind) is aflicted by the same Mars which > aflicts the 5th house (intellect) as well with its 8th aspect! > Certainly all these together can indicate very bad results including > lack of intellect, health problems, problems to Mother (Moon) and Father > (Sun), and poverty. It is certainly a non beneficial horoscope. > But certainly as renu ji indicates it is it easy to derive the reasons in > a post mortom analysis, but very difficult to derive the same results when > the horoscope is given to us without any prior clue. > Love and regards, > Sreeandh > > , " renunw " renunw@ > wrote: > > > > DearSunil ji, > > > > Based on your short description as to what conditions make a native > > manda budhi...let me give a try.. > > > > The only benefic in a kendra is Moon. But it is afflicted by > > debilitated 2HL & 7HL Mars, a maraka for Libra Lagna. Moon is in its > > enemey's house. On the other hand Moon is in digbala and in shukla > > paksha. > > > > Lagna and LL are afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars. > > > > Sun is debilitated and afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars. > > > > 5H is afflicted by debilitated Mars. 5H is aspected by Saturn too, a > > malefic. But as it is said that when the lord of a house aspects its > > own house, the particular house gets strengthened it may lessen the > > malefic effect a little. Again 5H is afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. > > All the natural malefics afflict 5H. > > > > 5HL Saturn is in Rahu-Ketu axis, hence afflicted. > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. This " budhi karaka > > guru " and Rahu are in the same degrees. Hence doubly afflicted. > > > > The native was born in the Major perio d of debilitated Sun and Sub > > period of heavily afflicted Jupiter, the 6HL. The dasas unfolding > > thereafter too seem to be not beneficial for the native. > > > > Conclusion: the n ative may be a sickly person from birth. May be > > manda buddi too...but then I doubt it as you would not give an > > obvious case:) > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear grp and learned memebrs > > > > > > what astro combination in chart make some one a manda budhi . > > > > > > manda budhi mean those who dont hav the intelligence of ordinary > > persons > > > and they can liv only by the help and support of others .It also > > givs > > > tens ion and mental problems for thier parents and relativs too . > > > ; > > > when intellect ( budhi ) is not devlped those persons we can > > call > > > manda budhies ,And it is happening because of various > > reasons ,some r > > > birth defects ,some cases it comes tru sickness happneing in child > > hood > > > ,in some cases it can happen tru accidents and the brain > > affected .Now a > > > days i find even the vaccines ( it is the most contributing factor > > and > > > being discussed in devlped world and in india we r still dont > > bother abt > > > it and we r becoming testing ground of all MNC medicinal > > comapnies ) > > > even some medicines prescribed for pregant mothers can b a > > contributing > > > factor and ayurveda was against giving medicines ( some medicines > > esply > > > ) to pregant woman other than a spl charya and herb al food .Also > & gt; some > > > equipments used while delivery also can b a contributing factor . > > > > > > > > > > > > Budhi ,memory ,prathibha ,manas etc all r functions of brain .so > > siro > > > sthana ( lagna and LL) budhi karaka guru ,mana:karaka ,sareera deha > > > karaka moon and lagna atama karaka sun etc may b taken and see its > > > condition ,afflictions ,etc ,also see the condition of 5th L and > > House ( > > > as it is house of prathibha ) > > > > > > if all this r good placement ,condition and subha drishti etc can > > giv > > > good intellegent person and otherwise depending on concetration of > > > afflction the problem can b little to serious ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Hora ( viyoni janma prakarana ) it is s aid the strnght and > > quality of > > > lagna ,sun ,moon and guru is reason for human birth and if this is > > & gt; decresing it can giv animal birth to trees and plants . > > > > > > so in case of manda budhies we can assume and take this above said > > > places and planets (lagna ,LL ,sun,moon ,guru ) will b weaker > > along > > > with 5th house . > > > > > > Based on above pointers one can expand this and giv own versions > > too > > > based on exprnce and knowledge . > > > > > > > > > > > > May b we can discuss some charts > > > > > > i am giving one chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > October 28, 1979 > > > Time: 7:00:00 > > > Time Zone: 5: 30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 76 E 13' 00 " , 10 N 31' 00 " > > > Trichur, India > > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (1.72% left) > > > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su) > & gt; > Nakshatra: Uttarashadha (Su) (43.07% left) > > > Yoga: Dhriti (Ra) (14.58% left) > > > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (3.45% left) > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Ar) > > > Sunrise: 6:18:46 > > > Sunset: 17:59:11 > > > > > > > > > > > > i like to hear ur readings and comments based on the chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/ 1602 - Release 8/9/2008 > 1:22 PM > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release 8/9/2008 1:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Madam, Refering to your earlier post where you mentioned Saturn + Budh can cause the person to be deliberate thinker & slow. The first one has been observed , but for the combi to make the persons thinking faculties actaully slow would depend on other factors too. I have seen many Sat + Budh people being described as shrwed or even cunning by others including astros. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Ram Jaswal ji, The quote reads (I reciting from memory) - "Kumbhascharanam, ali chapa simha - strinam alirge, vrishbhasya nakara, kumbhasya karkee, mithunasya dhanyee, meenasya chapam khalu badhakam syal" Meaning - Aq is the Maha bhadahakastana for Movable signs (Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn); For Scorpio, Sagittarius, Leo and Virgo signs Scorpio should be considered as the Mahabadhaka stana; For Taurus sign Capricorn, for Aquarius sign Cancer, for Gemini sign Sagittarius and for Pisces sign Sagittarius is the Mahabadhaka stana] Represented as a table it would be - 1) Aries - Aquarius 2) Taurus - Capricorn 3) Gemini - Sagittarius 4) Cancer - Aquarius 5) Leo - Scorpio 6) Virgo - Scorpio 7) Libra - Aquarius 8) Scorpio - Scorpio 9) Sagittarius - Scorpio 10) Capricorn - Aquarius 11) Aquarius - Cancer 12) Pisces - Sagittarius Hope this clarifies. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Sreenadh ji> > Yes in deed - many thanks for the additional information about the> "different" types of Badhaka's - to be honest I hadn't heard about these> before ... If you don't mind my asking what would be the Maha Badha for> Fixed and Dual signs?> > Thanks and regards ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> 10 August 2008 16:35> > Re: Manda budhis> > Dear Ram Jaswal ji, > Please note that as per Prasnamarga there are 2 rules for calculating> Bhakastana - one of them is known as Samanya Badha and the other as Maha> Badha, the second being the major and important one. [Actually as per> other texts, apart from these two there are other methods to calculate> Badhaka stana as well]> You are referring to the calculation method for Samanya Badha when you> say that 11th house is Badhaka stana for Movable signs. But I was referring> to the concept of Mahabadha which is more important as per which Aq is the> badhaka sign for all movable signs. Hope this clarifies, and helps you to> look at things in a wider perspective. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Ram Jaswal" rkjaswal@> wrote:> >> > Namaste Sreenadh ji> > > > Just a "small" correction - Badhakastana for Moveable Signs are 11th from> > them eg for Libra - Leo is Badhaka and Not Aqu (5th Hse) ...> > > > Best wishes ...> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > Ram> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> > 10 August 2008 12:45> > > > Re: Manda budhis> > > > Dear Renu ji, > > We should consider the following points in the said chart -> > * Since it is about 'Buddhi', 5th house and 5th lord should be> > considered.> > * The Dasa under gone from birth till date should be Non-beneficial.> > * Jupiter, Sun and Moon (Consciousness, Soul and Mind) should be weak or> > afflicted in some way or the other. > > Let c onsider the following chart and try to see, how it is in the said> > chart. We can note the following -> > * The 5th lord Saturn is enemies house (in Sun's house in 11th and 11th> > HL is debilitated) in 11th House along with the 6th (disease lord)> Jupiter.> > The 5th house is Badhakastana for Movable sign (Libra Lagna) and the> Jupiter> > is the depositor of Gulika as well as the 6th lord. Further both 5th and> > 11th are afflicted by Ra-Ke axis. > > * The Dasa at birth is that of Sun placed in its debilitation sign Libra> > very near to its maximum degree of debilitation (i.e. near 10th degree).> > Please note that the Dasa running at birth was that of debilitated Sun and> > the Antara was that of 5th lord Saturn. After Sun's dasa it was the dasa> of> > Moon - placed in 4th house (Mind) aspected by the malefic Mars placed in> it> > sign of debilitation Cancer. After that came the dasa of Mars itself> having> > it s 8th aspect in 5th house (intellect) and having its Navamsa in 5th> house> > (intellect)! Then comes the dasa of Rahu the planet afflicting 5th lord> > Saturn! And of Jupiter, the 6th lord as well as Gulika depositer! In short> t> > the Dasa under gone from birth till date are Non-beneficial.> > * Jupiter is afflicted by Ra-Ke, it is the 6th lord as well as the> > Gulika depositor. Sun is very near its maximum degree of debilitation and> > is aspected by 2 major malefics i.e. Saturn (with its 3rd aspect) and Mars> > (with its 4th aspect). Moon is placed in 4th house aspe cted by> debilitated> > Mars placed 10th; i.e. Moon (the Mind) is aflicted by the same Mars which> > aflicts the 5th house (intellect) as well with its 8th aspect! > > Certainly all these together can indicate very bad results including> > lack of intellect, health problems, problems to Mother (Moon) and Father> > (Sun), and poverty. It is certainly a non beneficial horoscope. > > But certainly as renu ji indicates it is it easy to derive the reasons in> > a post mortom analysis, but very difficult to derive the same results when> > the horoscope is given to us without any prior clue. > > Love and regards,> > Sreeandh> > > > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > DearSunil ji,> > > > > > Based on your short description as to what conditions make a native > > > manda budhi...let me give a try..> > > > > > The only benefic in a kendra is Moon. But it is afflicted by > > > debilitated 2HL & 7HL Mars, a maraka for Libra Lagna. Moon is in its > > > enemey's house. On the other hand Moon is in digbala and in shukla > > > paksha.> > > > > > Lagna and LL are afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars. > > > > > > Sun is debilitated and afflicted by Saturn and by debilitated Mars.> > > > > > 5H is afflicted by debilitated Mars. 5H is aspected by Saturn too, a > > > malefic. But as it is said that when the lord of a house aspects its > > > own house, the particular house gets strengthened it may lessen the > > > malefic effect a little. Again 5H is afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. > > > All the natural malefics afflict 5H.> > > > > > 5HL Saturn is in Rahu-Ketu axis, hence afflicted. > > > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. This "budhi karaka > > > guru" and Rahu are in the same degrees. Hence doubly afflicted.> > > > > > The native was born in the Major perio d of debilitated Sun and Sub > > > period of heavily afflicted Jupiter, the 6HL. The dasas unfolding > > > thereafter too seem to be not beneficial for the native.> > > > > > Conclusion: the n ative may be a sickly person from birth. May be > > > manda buddi too...but then I doubt it as you would not give an > > > obvious case:)> > > > > > blessings> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > > > dear grp and learned memebrs> > > > > > > > what astro combination in chart make some one a manda budhi .> > > > > > > > manda budhi mean those who dont hav the intelligence of ordinary > > > persons> > > > and they can liv only by the help and support of others .It also > > > givs> > > > tens ion and mental problems for thier parents and relativs too .> > > > ; > > > > when intellect ( budhi ) is not devlped those persons we can > > > call> > > > manda budhies ,And it is happening because of various > > > reasons ,some r> > > > birth defects ,some cases it comes tru sickness happneing in child > > > hood> > > > ,in some cases it can happen tru accidents and the brain > > > affected .Now a> > > > days i find even the vaccines ( it is the most contributing factor > > > and> > > > being discussed in devlped world and in india we r still dont > > > bother abt> > > > it and we r becoming testing ground of all MNC medicinal > > > comapnies )> > > > even some medicines prescribed for pregant mothers can b a > > > contributing> > > > factor and ayurveda was against giving medicines ( some medicines > > > esply> > > > ) to pregant woman other than a spl charya and herb al food .Also > > & gt; some> > > > equipments used while delivery also can b a contributing factor .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budhi ,memory ,prathibha ,manas etc all r functions of brain .so > > > siro> > > > sthana ( lagna and LL) budhi karaka guru ,mana:karaka ,sareera deha> > > > karaka moon and lagna atama karaka sun etc may b taken and see its> > > > condition ,afflictions ,etc ,also see the condition of 5th L and > > > House (> > > > as it is house of prathibha )> > > > > > > > if all this r good placement ,condition and subha drishti etc can > > > giv> > > > good intellegent person and otherwise depending on concetration of> > > > afflction the problem can b little to serious ones.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Hora ( viyoni janma prakarana ) it is s aid the strnght and > > > quality of> > > > lagna ,sun ,moon and guru is reason for human birth and if this is> > > & gt; decresing it can giv animal birth to trees and plants .> > > > > > > > so in case of manda budhies we can assume and take this above said> > > > places and planets (lagna ,LL ,sun,moon ,guru ) will b weaker > > > along> > > > with 5th house .> > > > > > > > Based on above pointers one can expand this and giv own versions > > > too> > > > based on exprnce and knowledge .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May b we can discuss some charts> > > > > > > > i am giving one chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > October 28, 1979> > > > Time: 7:00:00> > > > Time Zone: 5: 30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 76 E 13' 00", 10 N 31' 00"> > > > Trichur, India> > > > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (1.72% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)> > & gt; > Nakshatra: Uttarashadha (Su) (43.07% left)> > > > Yoga: Dhriti (Ra) (14.58% left)> > > > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (3.45% left)> > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Ar)> > > > Sunrise: 6:18:46> > > > Sunset: 17:59:11> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i like to hear ur readings and comments based on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/ 1602 - Release 8/9/2008> > 1:22 PM> >> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release 8/9/2008> 1:22 PM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Chiranjiv ji, We were only discussing the manda-budhi combinations, and so I did not touch upon any other trait given by this combination. What I said about sat+mer was, the latent potential of this combination to make one dim-witted. And we discussed how it could've happened in the given example. With a badly afflicted mercury, made worse by an afflicted Saturn and many other afflictions, do you think any buddhi will remain in the native for him to be cunning or shrewd? The whole discussion was on that only. What happens in a mer-sat combination when a person is normal, is an entirely different topic. Sat-mer combination will obviously be responsible for many other personality traits and modification of those traits is also bound to happen with other influences. These are, as we all know, lordships, placements, houses, signs, aspects, degrees, conjunctions, avastha…so on and so forth. Mer-sat can make one a very learned person, a sanyaasi, an astrologer, a researcher, etc. See UG Krishmnamurthy's chart for the sat-mer combination. Not only the condition of sat and mer, it is also the state of luminaries, Jupiter, in fact a study of all other planets is important. Sat+mer can also make one shrewed and cunning. Mercury is intelligence, it is also speech, and unlike Jupiter, it is a very vulnerable planet. Once under the influence of malefic Saturn, the intelligence can be misguided and one can become cunning, shrewd, crafty, scheming, etc. and can also be spiteful and malicious in speech. Mercury is youth and Saturn is an old man. Mercury is very impressionable and switches roles by becoming a malefic or benefic, as the situation demands. If a spoilt mercury is admonished by Saturn, he tends to show his shrewdness and becomes cunning if it is in bad company, but if in good company, he will show respect and learning by being a good student. Now if you can tell us, what would happen if an afflicted mercury is with an afflicted mars, or rahu, or ketu? Don't you think then also it will become cunning, conniving and devious? What is the difference? Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Respected shri Sreenadh Ji,I request you to please enlighten me on the following:1. The quote has been quoted from which Book, so that i can also read in details.2. I could not understand that why and how these badhakstanas are decided, pardon me for my ignorance.1) Aries - Aquarius For first sign it is 11th sign > 2) Taurus - Capricorn For Second sign it becomes 9th sign and so on..different for different signs > 3) Gemini - Sagittarius > 4) Cancer - Aquarius > 5) Leo - Scorpio > 6) Virgo - Scorpio > 7) Libra - Aquarius > 8) Scorpio - Scorpio > 9) Sagittarius - Scorpio > 10) Capricorn - Aquarius > 11) Aquarius - Cancer > 12) Pisces - Sagittarius > Regards, Sanjeev Naryani naryani2000 00973-39155648 JAI GANESHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear sanjeev naryani ji Thanks for joining with us . U r question was already answered in tread by sreenadh ji himself .he said it is frm prashna maarga ( a kerala book on prashna )( dont depend on net stolen versions ( without quoting sources ) or even translation of BV raman too ,unless u know how to read sanskrit quotes in that book ) . also pls keep in mind we discuss only that r in olden rishi horas ( or secret books of parampara or oral traditions with parampara and u can find it will b working in 80% of charts ) .Other wise we will say it ,this is a doubt ful one but find in some local books ,etc etc .As this is mainly a discussion forum . also we r not interested in creating any new theorys . in the mean time i request u to dont put ur mail id or adress or phone numbers in any posts . which will make moderaters job difficult as they r doing this work while attending other duties . hope u understand now and i answered ur query also . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Naryani <naryani2000 wrote:>> Respected shri Sreenadh Ji,> I request you to please enlighten me on the following:> 1. The quote has been quoted from which Book, so that i can also read in details.> 2. I could not understand that why and how these badhakstanas are decided, pardon me for my ignorance.> > 1) Aries - Aquarius For first sign it is 11th sign> > 2) Taurus - Capricorn For Second sign it becomes 9th sign and so on..different for different signs> > 3) Gemini - Sagittarius> > 4) Cancer - Aquarius> > 5) Leo - Scorpio> > 6) Virgo - Scorpio> > 7) Libra - Aquarius> > 8) Scorpio - Scorpio> > 9) Sagittarius - Scorpio> > 10) Capricorn - Aquarius> > 11) Aquarius - Cancer> > 12) Pisces - Sagittarius> > > > > Regards, > > Sanjeev Naryani > naryani2000 > JAI GANESHA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear grp . I am disclosing the details of chart discussed in this tread . Nativ born as a manda budhi ,not very much phycical problems other than falling frm height or small fractures while child and boy .He is frm some what rich family and has some properties too ,has 2 young sisters and they r well off ,and now wants to marry off brother as parents are becoming old now ,Even they dont want any rights in property and lov to giv to brother. schooling also was difficult as he used to attack other kids and very adament ,see mars aspecting lagna with sani .Now he improved a lot and has some small functioning of budhi and obeys others by grace of god and treatment frm ashtavaidyas family frm trichur .So very much manageable now . This is my infomations abt him ,this chart brought to me by one his uncles who is working in haryana . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I admit that I am responding after the answer has been revealed. However, even a post-mortem can be valuable. In this chart the 5th house is afflicted. Ketu in the 5th is aspected by Mars and Saturn and Rahu. Ruler of 5th is in sandhi and conjoined with ruler of the 6th and Rahu. Moon is afflicted by Mars, good for prosperity but gives a hot temper. All the dasas experienced so far have not improved the situation. Furthermore, lagna, Moon, and LL are afflicted. The dhana yogas in the chart have made the native prosperous. --Radha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear radha ji It was not a blind chart quiz ,so every one is still free to appraoch it and can make us more knowledgable with own styles and knowledge .if grp willing i will post more charts with same header . there is another data i already posted ,u or any one in grp can add any more observation in it .Tho main theme is known to every one regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "aphoton47" <aphoton47 wrote:>> I admit that I am responding after the answer has been revealed.> However, even a post-mortem can be valuable. > In this chart the 5th house is afflicted. Ketu in the 5th is aspected> by Mars and Saturn and Rahu. Ruler of 5th is in sandhi and conjoined> with ruler of the 6th and Rahu. Moon is afflicted by Mars, good for> prosperity but gives a hot temper. All the dasas experienced so far> have not improved the situation.> Furthermore, lagna, Moon, and LL are afflicted. The dhana yogas in> the chart have made the native prosperous.> > --Radha> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Sunil ji,Thank you for revealing the results. It was indeed an interesting and enjoyable exercise.RegardsNeelam I suppose it is much more comfortable to be mad and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji Hare Krishna At the outset I thank you for the Information and the effort. I have noted to comply with the norms of not mentioning the email or tel details. These details were not sent intentionally but were a part of auto signatures which go with all my mails. I have noted to delete them while responding to this group. Please pardon me, as I omitted to read the the important notice at the bottom of the home page of the group. One more query please. Is the badhka so narrated is applicable only in case of prashna charts or it can also be applied to any chart under study. Regards, Sanjeev Naryani JAI GANESHA sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:40:11 AM Re: Manda budhis Hare rama krishna dear sanjeev naryani ji Thanks for joining with us . U r question was already answered in tread by sreenadh ji himself .he said it is frm prashna maarga ( a kerala book on prashna )( dont depend on net stolen versions ( without quoting sources ) or even translation of BV raman too ,unless u know how to read sanskrit quotes in that book ) . also pls keep in mind we discuss only that r in olden rishi horas ( or secret books of parampara or oral traditions with parampara and u can find it will b working in 80% of charts ) .Other wise we will say it ,this is a doubt ful one but find in some local books ,etc etc .As this is mainly a discussion forum . also we r not interested in creating any new theorys . in the mean time i request u to dont put ur mail id or adress or phone numbers in any posts . which will make moderaters job difficult as they r doing this work while attending other duties . hope u understand now and i answered ur query also . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear naryani ji if u ask me personaly i use only in prashna ,that also in kerala prashna ,not in tajika prashnas .or other prashna where u use udaya lagna ONly .As udaya lagna will b for 2 hrs and a good astrologer may hav say 4 customers in 2 hrs window time ,so can we assign all haunted by spirits or this or that ??? i find other schools like KP uses it but with conditions and its digstable too .( only samanya badaka principle s ) But every one is free it use his own versions so long as he gets results ,But some Ppl to prove the point always brings this and assign it on PM charts ( Post mortem ) such ppl r depending our words and put back same words into our ears in pretext of reading .so if u post a chart and say this girl is call girl they will say yes and will prove it ,and if post the same charts after 6 months and say this girl is spiritual ,they will prove it . u can try it on other grps . This r my points and observations ,but u hav to find ur own way by ur own searching . thanks for removing links and adresses , regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Naryani <naryani2000 wrote:>> Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji> > Hare Krishna> > At the outset I thank you for the Information and the effort.> I have noted to comply with the norms of not mentioning the email or tel details. > These details were not sent intentionally but were a part of auto signatures which go with all my mails. I have noted to delete them while responding to this group. Please pardon me, as I omitted to read the the important notice at the bottom of the home page of the group.> > One more query please.> Is the badhka so narrated is applicable only in case of prashna charts or it can also be applied to any chart under study.> > > > > Regards, > > Sanjeev Naryani > > > JAI GANESHA> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:40:11 AM> Re: Manda budhis> > > > Hare rama krishna > dear sanjeev naryani ji > > Thanks for joining with us .> U r question was already answered in tread by sreenadh ji himself .he said it is frm prashna maarga ( a kerala book on prashna )( dont depend on net stolen versions ( without quoting sources ) or even translation of BV raman too ,unless u know how to read sanskrit quotes in that book ) .> also pls keep in mind we discuss only that r in olden rishi horas ( or secret books of parampara or oral traditions with parampara and u can find it will b working in 80% of charts ) .Other wise we will say it ,this is a doubt ful one but find in some local books ,etc etc .As this is mainly a discussion forum .> also we r not interested in creating any new theorys .> in the mean time i request u to dont put ur mail id or adress or phone numbers in any posts .> which will make moderaters job difficult as they r doing this work while attending other duties .> hope u understand now and i answered ur query also .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear neelam ji thanks for ur participatin in the discussion ,And u r observations were so close as usual . keep it up and b kindly illuminate us with ur write ups and analsysis regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > Thank you for revealing the results. It was indeed an interesting and> enjoyable exercise.> > Regards> Neelam> > > I suppose it is much more comfortable to be mad and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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