Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Dear All, Similar to the series "Lagna Lord in Various Houses", I would like to start a new series with the name "Lagna Navamsa in Various Houses". Let us start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes -"'What are the various results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in various houses for Aries Lagna?". I hope that this exercise may give us some understanding on 'How to predict with Navamsa?' I request you to be specific and to the point - please leave-out the general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this we have already covered in another exercise) and be specific about the results generated by the Navamsa placement. That is, we assume the native took birth within the following degrees for the 9 combinations under consideration - 1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20) 2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40) 3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00) 4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20) 5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40) 6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) 7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20) 8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40) 9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00) That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in detail. What would be difference between the destiny of these individuals? What are the different results to be predicted for them? How much does it match with the reality? (Quotes may not be good enough when reality is in question) I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request Neelam ji to start the discussion with an informative base note about the same quoting the classics. Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will verify the derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various navamsas. Love and reagrds,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Namaste Neelam Thanks for the write-up which I found " amusing " being an Aries Asc/Sco Nav personality ... Guess with any write-up one can always associate with a " few " statements and Not to take/accept anything as verbatim without considering all other astrological factors as well? In passing looks like Saravali didn't have much " good " things to write for an Aries person in general - possibly due to Mars being Lagna Lord? Best wishes ... Jai Sita Ram Ram _____ On Behalf Of neelam gupta 03 August 2008 19:44 Re: Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna) Dear Sreenadhji and group, Navamsha is a link between the signs and the asterisms. Although, the navamshas are named after the signs (Aries, Taurus, etc.), each navamsha coincides with one of the four padas of the nakshatra. As we all know, classics and traditional texts are not very clear regarding navamsha results, thus many astrologers, especially new and inexperienced, are deprived of tapping into this gold mine. Even BPHS has not given any results on the basis of navamsha risings or positions. There is only mention of vargeeya bal and results from karkamsha lagna, as far as navamsha is concerned. Saravali is most eloquent about this issue and has given results for all the nine navamshas for all rashis separately. Hora Sara gives a generalised picture of nine navamshas falling in any sign. Hora Ratnam and Jatak Parijat discuss the navamsha results as per lordships. I have tried to collate here some results of different navamshas for Aries nativity as per Kalyan Verma's Saravali, Hora Sara by Prithyusas, Hora Ratnam by Acharya Balabhadra and Jataka Parijatam by Vaidyanatha Deekshit. While applying, we may try different combinations and check out the results. Effects of different navamsha rising specifically for Aries Ascendant as per Saravali First Navamsa: The native will have a face, resembling that of a he-goat, with nose and shoulders not being very prominent. He will have a fierce voice, ugly appearance and narrow eyes. His body will be thin, but free from defects. Second Navamsa: The native will be dark in complexion, will have broad shoulders and long arms. small forehead, strong collar bones, sharp sight and prominent face and nose. He will be an affable speaker and will possess weak legs. Third Navamsa: The native will suffer loss of hair, be fair in complexion, will have irregular (defective) arms, charming eyes and nose, will be a scholar in direct poetic ability and will have weak thigh Fourth Navamsa: The native will have an erratic sight, be irascible, short-nosed, wandering-natured, will have rough legs and coarse hair, be bereft of co-born and emaciated Fifth Navamsa: The native will be fierce and will have eyes, resembling that of a supreme elephant, a fat nose, thick eye brows, wide fore face, fat body and coarse hair. Sixth Navamsa: The native will be dark in complexion, soft in disposition, will have eyes, akin to that of a deer, be tall in stature, will have irregular (defective) stomach and hands, be a eunuch, be timid and garrulous. Seventh Navamsa: The native will have complexion akin to green sprout, be fickle-minded, will possess white eyes, will marry an unchaste lady, be malicious and will have a broad physique. Eighth Navamsa: The native will have a face, akin to that of a monkey, be a good speaker, will have an afflicted and tawny body, will suffer from secret diseases, be torturous, be a liar, be fond of friends and be fierce. Ninth Navamsa: The native will be tall, emaciated, wandering, will have defective fore face and ears, will have a face, akin to that of a horse, will possess many names and be crooked. General results of the nine navamshas irrespective of lagna as per Hora Sara (An aries lagna cannot get makar, aquarius and meen navamsh, but I am giving the results here for general reference) Aries Navamsh will be mischievous, mean, will be weak sighted, not peaceful, bilious in temperament and sensuously disposed. Birth in Mesh Amsh will confer malefic results, or diseases in the 12th, 25th, 50th, or 65th year of age. Taurus Navamsh: will be wise, will enjoy pleasures and will have a big stomach. He will be strong, long-faced, will walk awkwardly, will have moving eye-balls (from one side to the other) and will possess many daughters. Difficulties and diseases can be expected in the 22nd, 10th, 23rd, or 72nd year of age. Gemini Navamsh: one will be brilliant in appearance, eloquent, fickleminded, proficient in Shastras, will enjoy pleasures, be modest, be unsteady about women, very intelligent and will have no wife. Death can be expected in either the 16th year, or the 24th, 34th, 63rd, or the 40th year. Cancer Navamsh: will be angrily disposed, will have grotesque body, be wealthy, will possess crooked sight, will be intent on living in foreign countries. will help his relatives and be emotionally influenced by his own men. Death can be expected in either the 18th, or the 8th, 22nd, 21st, 72nd, or 80th year. Leo Navamsh: at birth will live in a manless zone, be very self-respected, will have thin belly, will have knowledge of everything in the world, will have weak teeth, be strong and will be aggrieved. Mentionable evils should be expected in the 20th year, 10th year, 30th year, or the 60th year of age Virgo Navamsh: will be happy in his boyhood, will have knowledge of arts, be impotent, thievish, have few sons, be fortunate, attached to others' works, liberal and intent on living in foreign places. There will be doubt about life in his 60th year, or 20th year, or the 5th year. He will, however, live up to 108, with progressing wealth Libra Navamsh: will like to move from one place to the other, will have an emaciated body, will not have many sons, be a miser, will hate his relatives, suffer from phlegmatic diseases and be poor. Evils shall occur in his 3rd year, 23rd year, 46th year, 27th year, 38th year and 76th year of age Scorpio Navamsh: will not have his elders, be mischievous, wise, weak sighted, cruel, will indulge in sinful acts secretly, long-bodied and round bellied. His 18th, 23rd, 13th, 70th, or the 55th year will be doubtful about longevity Sagittarius Navamsh: will have self-earned money, be virtuous, longnecked, lazy and be satisfied with anything small. He will have a big nose, will talk much and be lord of wealth. There will be danger to his life, or sickness in this 16th, 9th, 4th, 36th, or 72nd year of age Capricorn Navamsh: will be short bodied, fickle-minded, mischievous, less bold, unfortunate in regard to wife and enjoy greatly. His 19th, 27th, 34th, 49th and 68th years of age will bring diseases. So have said the sages. Aquarius Navamsh: will be slanderous, not kind, cunning, weak, long-bodied, a wanderer, always troubled by expenses and mentally depressed. At the age of 14, 20, 28, 32, 61, or 7, there will be doubt about his life. Pisces Navamsh: will be after women, will have an emaciated body, will live through water (i.e. profession related to water), will be fish bellied, scholarly and will live in others' houses. He will be wealthy and possess many wives. Death can be expected in his 10th, 12th, 21st, 26th, 52nd, or the 61st year of age. 59th year, 32nd year and the 8th year shall bring evils to a native Hora Ratnam and Jatak Parijat have given the results of navamshas of different planets which are given below: (For aries lagna, we don't get saturn's navamsh. I have, however given the results for Saturn's navamsh just to make the note complete). Navamsha of Mars Hora Ratnam: One born in Navamsha of Mars will have brown hair, round eyes, somewhat depressed back, fair in complexion, will have ugly or diseased nails, a scarred body and will be lustful. he will be wicked, envious, skilful in usurping the aaquisitions of females and less righteous. He will be happy, cruel, a destroyer of foes and very miserly. Jatak Parijat: Addicted to cruel deeds, be fickle minded, of wandering habits, afflicted with bilious complaints and avaricious Navamsha of Venus Hora Ratnam: One born in Navamsha of venus will have downward looking eyes, soft hair, attractive form, well-shaped neck. He will be impatient, dark in complexion, will have an attractive navel, be heroic, wealthy, virtuous, fond of poetry, happy with t=robes, decorations and likes flowers. Jatak Parijat: Takes delight in the company of women not his own, firm in his aims, enthusiastic. Navamsha of Mercury Hora Ratnam: One born in Navamsha of Mercury will be dark bodied, will have roving eyes, an even body, a broad chest, long and curly hair and charming teeth and waist. He will be short-lived, skilful in trade, courageous, wealthy, happy and endowed with an excellent female, robes, garlands and ornaments. Jatak Parijat: Liberal, impassioned, handsome and well-known for his learning and has a good name. Moon Navamsha Hora Ratnam: One born in Moon Navamsha will reflect the brilliance of gold. Average height, broad body, thick hair, charming eyes, be complete in respect of wealth, be righteos, virtuous, fond of bodily pleasures and dresses attractively. Jatak Parijat: Voluptuous, addicted to young women not his own, learned, rich in cattle. Sun Navamsha Hora Ratnam: One born in Leo Navamsha will have long curly hair, symmetrical body, fair complexion, profound and splendorous, skilful in sexual acts, interested in sinful deeds, valorous, unstable wealth, fair-reddish complexion, righteous, happy, cruel, will destroy foes and will have limited sons. Jatak Parijat: evil minded, strong, prolific, rich, tawny-eyed and lustful Navamsha of Jupiter Hora Ratnam: One born in Navamsha of Jupiter will be dark in complexion; will have a lotus shaped belly, attractive face with eyes reflecting the brilliance of a blue lili. He will have attractive hair, very soft palms, with superior lines. He will possess intelligence of high order, be fond of guests, highly virtuous, valorous, fond of women, wealthy and will have a mellifluous voice. Jatak Parijat: will have golden hair, will be eminent, talented, beautiful, clever in counsel, speaking learnedly, of a cheerful mind and liked by emperors. Navamsha of Saturn Hora Ratnam: One born in Navamsha of Saturn will be bereft of physical splendour, will have grey hair, emaciated and dark body, soft eyes, will be independent. He will be completer with numerous virtues, be sinful, irreligious and will have limited wealth. Jatak Parijat: will be evil-minded, indigent, with large teeth, afflicted with ailments. Hope you all will find this information useful to apply on different nativities. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Shreenadhji , Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in navamsa chart ??? Say In lagna chart of aries sign in lagna - lagna lord is mars , but in navamsa chart ....lagna is libra...that means lagna navamsa is venus.....???? If yes , now the discussions will be on position of venus in various houses in navamsa chart.....or about various positions of mars in navamsa chart.. Hope I am clear in my question. Best Regards Sanjay Jain Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Sunday, 3 August, 2008 5:04:46 PM Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna) Dear All, Similar to the series "Lagna Lord in Various Houses", I would like to start a new series with the name "Lagna Navamsa in Various Houses". Let us start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes -"'What are the various results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in various houses for Aries Lagna?". I hope that this exercise may give us some understanding on 'How to predict with Navamsa?' I request you to be specific and to the point - please leave-out the general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this we have already covered in another exercise) and be specific about the results generated by the Navamsa placement. That is, we assume the native took birth within the following degrees for the 9 combinations under consideration - 1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20) 2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40) 3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00) 4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20) 5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40) 6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) 7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20) 8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40) 9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00) That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in detail. What would be difference between the destiny of these individuals? What are the different results to be predicted for them? How much does it match with the reality? (Quotes may not be good enough when reality is in question) I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request Neelam ji to start the discussion with an informative base note about the same quoting the classics. Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will verify the derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various navamsas. Love and reagrds,Sreenadh Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Very important. If connected to the badhaksthana then you had it for your whole Life, if connected to the benefic Planet the make hay all your Life, and if connected to the 6th or 12th then keep on hoping hope against hope for attaining Love from your wife and expect a Jeevan full of strife. Bhaskaran. ' , " Sunder Rangarajan " <sunder.rangarajan wrote: > > Hello Shreenadhji, > If Lagna Navamsa is the house in which the Lagna is positioned in the > Navamsa, How authentic can it be??? > As per the JH 7.2 program,may Lagna in the Navamsa would change if I were > born 42 seconds later, so I am not very sure of the lagna in the Navamsa. > 42 seconds is too small a time and could have been ignored by human error. > How important is the Lagna in Navamsa??? > > Regards, > Sunder. > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM, sanjay jain sonjayjain wrote: > > > Shreenadhji , > > > > > > > > Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in navamsa > > chart ??? > > > > > > > > Say > > > > In lagna chart of aries sign in lagna - lagna lord is mars , but in navamsa > > chart ....lagna is libra...that means lagna navamsa is venus.....???? > > > > > > > > If yes , now the discussions will be on position of venus in various houses > > in navamsa chart.....or about various positions of mars in navamsa chart.. > > > > > > > > Hope I am clear in my question. > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Sanjay Jain > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008 5:04:46 PM > > Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna) > > > > Dear All, > > Similar to the series " Lagna Lord in Various Houses " , I would like to > > start a new series with the name " Lagna Navamsa in Various Houses " . Let us > > start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes - " 'What are the various > > results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in various houses for Aries Lagna? " . > > I hope that this exercise may give us some understanding on 'How to predict > > with Navamsa?' > > I request you to be specific and to the point - please leave-out the > > general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this we have already > > covered in another exercise) and be specific about the results generated by > > the Navamsa placement. That is, we assume the native took birth within the > > following degrees for the 9 combinations under consideration - > > 1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20) > > 2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40) > > 3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00) > > 4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20) > > 5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40) > > 6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) > > 7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20) > > 8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40) > > 9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00) > > That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in detail. What > > would be difference between the destiny of these individuals? What are the > > different results to be predicted for them? How much does it match with the > > reality? (Quotes may not be good enough when reality is in question) > > I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request Neelam ji to start the > > discussion with an informative base note about the same quoting the > > classics. > > Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will verify the > > derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various navamsas. > > Love and reagrds, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now<http://in.rd./tagline_mail_2/*http://help./l/in/ya\ hoo/mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/> > > > > > > > > -- > Sunder Rangarajan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear members, Lagna and LL are different things, when seen in the context of Mr. Vijayadas Pradeep email. Lagna itself has its own navamsa sign, this should NOT be mixed with LL's navamsa. Let us look at this with an example. Consider Aries Lagna, Lagnamsa is also Aries. This indicates strength of Lagna & its determination - this gives tremdous strength to the lagna irrespective of other planetary positions. LL well placed or Vargottam, will give FOCUS to the native. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Members, Let me take another example to explain the statements made in my previous mail. Our MMS { current Indian PrimeMinister Man_Mohan_Singh, not to be confused with Multimedia - messaging service}, as an individual is respected, but his AMSA position vis-a-vis his political party position is pathetic. No doubt he is weak or weakest PM. He does not have independent vision {for he never spelt what he wants to do or will do in last 4 yrs} This compare with " Italian model " , has more AMSA strength and runs the party, is more determined than the nation's Arudha Chart - MMS. Note the difference of - Respect of Natal chart, Strength of AMSA position in the two above examples. We all know Mahatma Gandhi was a most timid person, see his natal chart, then see the navamsa chart, then note from where he got his strength. { For a moment, let us not consider navamsa mean wife...etc.., there are people remained bachelors...., further, irrespective of the status, navamsa influence is there} Another best example as what navamsa is - revisit the hororscope of Acharya Rajneesh, for the natal chart is deceptive, true strength of the chart is visible when one starts seeing the amsa positions. The original thinking by sages is amsa positions are within the Rasis, not to be read as separate charts. Note: the words amsa, navamsa are both same...unless it is specifically mentioned. Amsa means always navamsa - in all my writings/posts. Will mention Saptamsa or Dasamsa..etc. where appliacable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear all, I am really at tenterhooks, and not able to understand how the Lagna Navamsha has nothing to do with the Lagna Lord. We are not talking of basic mathematics which is understood by everyone that the degrees of Lagna Lord has nothing to do with the degrees of the Navamsha. ( This statement is again not fully right ). Talking on astrological influences how can Lagna Navamsha not have anything to do with the Lagna Lord ??? Take this case - A child who is yet to be born. We will take his time of birth at today evening 18.45 Place Bombay . Today date is 16th August. Lagna would be Capricorn. Lord is Saturn. What is the Navamsha ? Leo . Who is the Lord of this amsa ? The Sun. Now would anybody still say that The Lagna Lord of the natal Chart would have no influence over the Navamsha Lord Saturn ? Or the Lagna Navamsha has nothing to do with the Lagna Lord ? Or vice versa ? Natal Chart denoting Capricorn a cold sign , a Earthy sign a sign ruled by a Dual Planet , now getting influenced by an Fiery sign ? the owner who is its arch enemy , which is a Fixed and a odd sign, yet we can say that they bothe cannot be influenced by each other ? Very absurd indeed. Yes we are aware that the Navamsha Chart ( Inculding the Natal Chart) are not needed for evaluations, but they are made just so that its easy for studying the divisions, since it is a diagramaatical represnetation of what data one wishes to study. Its a helpful tool, though for KP Practitioners like me, we do not even use the Natal Chart diagram, but just a sheet of paper with the degrees is enough. But yet the Chart diagram is useful for others who donot do my way. In same way the Navamshas are represented by a Diagram or a chart, which is not a crime but a helptful tool. But I will step down and leave the more knowledgable with their views, since I am not having much powers of analytical prowess due to a retrograde and combust Mercury in my chart. Bhaskaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Shri Bhaskar Please read my statement in the light of the following question - Shri Jains Question - > , sanjay jain > <sonjayjain@> wrote: > > > > Shreenadhji , > > Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in > navamsa chart ??? My answer - Lagna Navamsha - It has nothing to do with Lagna Lord. As Sreeram ji and Goel ji has mentioned , there is nothing extra being intended. Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Shri Pradeepji has mentioned this statement - > > // Lagna Navamsha - It has nothing to do with Lagna Lord. // > > I am sorry, but I cannot accept this. Such statements may musguide the > new students of astrology. Lagna Navamsha having nothing to do with > Lagna Lord, is akin to saying that a wife has nothing to do with her > husband. because one cannot be made without the other. > > All qualities observed from the Natal Chart, for any planet, get > enhanced by moving to various amsas of the navamsha, for either the > betterment, or for worse. > > Suppose the Lagna is Aries as mentioned by Shri Sanjay Jain, who > initiated this query, and the Navamsha is of Venus, then how can one say > that this does not affect the Lagna Lord, and just delegate it as as a > bindu and leave it as mon consequntial ? If alady had this combination > of Aries Lagna and navamsa of Venus , then would she not become a > strong leader of organsational capacity, and also having feminine > qualities at the same time ? Would she not make a better leader now who > would be loved by all inculding her husband ? And just think suppose se > was also havin an Lagna navamsha o some Fiery Planet, then what ould > have happened ? Arie Fire and agression + Navamsha Fire = A women who > would be rough and tough, not meant to be gone near to, no feminity > inside her, only all traits of masculinity. Who woudl want to marry this > strong lady ? > > An Airy Lagna with a Airy Navamsha is good for day dreamers. > > An Earthy Navamsha is good for practical works such as construction of > buildings. > > A Fiery Lagna Leo with a Fiery Navamsha Leo with Mars and Rahu > influencing the Vargottama Lagna ( My own chart ) makes me connected > with the Furnace industry since last 30 years , and all of us know > Furnace is connected to Fire. > > A Venusian navamsha is also good for those who wish to enter theMedia > and entertainment Line. > > So how can we sya that The Navamsha has nothing to do with the Lagna > lord ? > > Even speaking mathematically, how is the Navamsha Lagna determined ? > Is it not from the degrees of the Natal ascendant ? And does not the > Natal ascendant have a Lord, or is it without any Maai Baap ? So how > can we sya that the Lagna Navamsha has nothing to do with the Lagna Lord > ? It is ain to saying that the malai ( Cream )has nothing to do with the > doodh ( Milk) . > > Bhaskaran. , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Sanjay ji > > > > If i am allowed to intervene before Sreenadh ji replies - > > > > Lagna Navamsha - It has nothing to do with Lagna Lord. > > > > Lagna is a bindu or point, which in astrology is measured by virtue > > of an arc of degree. Every Planet as well as our Lagna has got this > > degree at the time of our birth. > > > > Similar to every planet attaining a navamsha, dashamsha, drekkana etc > > w.r to the rashi in which it is falling, our Lagna too can attain the > > same. > > > > Thus the navamsha attained by the above Lagna bindu is called Lagna > > navamsha. This is the definition and this is how any software > > programe will calculateg Lagna navamsha. > > > > Example - Assume Lagna is at 5 degrees in Aries Rashi. Navamsha > > attained by this Lagna bindu will be Taurus(Parashara definition for > > 5th degree of Aries). Thus Lagna Navamsha is Taurus. This is what you > > see as Lagna/Ascendant in ''Navamsha Chakra'' (collective of > > projection of navamshas attained by lagna and planets within the > > rashi chakra) > > > > Hope i am clear. > > > > Regards > > Pradeep > > , sanjay jain > > sonjayjain@ wrote: > > > > > > Shreenadhji , > > > Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in > > navamsa chart ??? > > > Say > > > In lagna chart of aries sign in lagna - lagna lord is mars , but in > > navamsa chart ....lagna is libra...that means lagna navamsa is > > venus.....???? > > > If yes , now the discussions will be on position of venus in > > various houses in navamsa chart.....or about various positions of > > mars in navamsa chart.. > > > Hope I am clear in my question. > > >  Best Regards > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008 5:04:46 PM > > > Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries > > Lagna) > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > >  Similar to the series " Lagna Lord in Various Houses " , I would > > like to start a new series with the name " Lagna Navamsa in Various > > Houses " . Let us start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes - > > " 'What are the various results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in > > various houses for Aries Lagna? " .  I hope that this exercise may > > give us some understanding on 'How to predict with Navamsa?' > > >   I request you to be specific and to the point - please > leave- > > out the general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this > > we have already covered in another exercise) and be specific about > > the results generated by the Navamsa placement. That is, we > assume > > the native took birth within the following degrees for the 9 > > combinations under consideration - > > >  1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20) > > >  2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40) > > >  3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00) > > >  4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20) > > >  5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40) > > >  6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) > > >  7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20) > > >  8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40) > > >  9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00) > > >  That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in > > detail. What would be difference between the destiny of these > > individuals? What are the different results to be predicted for them? > > How much does it match with the reality? (Quotes may not be good > > enough when reality is in question) > > >  I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request > Neelam ji > > to start the discussion with an informative base note about the same > > quoting the classics. > > >  Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will > > verify the derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various > > navamsas. > > > Love and reagrds, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go > > to http://in.webmessenger./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Sanjay Jain ji, //What is Lagna navamsa?// The answer is straight forward. There are a total of 108 Navamsas with in the 360 degree zodiac, with 9 Navamsas in each sign. The Navamsa in which the Lagna longitude falls is called the Lagna Navamsa. For example - * If Laga (Asc) is at 2 Ar 50 then certainly Lagna is in the first Navamsa of Aries since the first Navamsa of Aries covers the area (00.00 - 03.20) ; i.e. Lagna Navamsa in this case is 1st Navamsa of Aries. * If Lagna is at 15 Le 10 then certainly Lagna is in 5th Navamsa of Leo since the 5th Navamsa of Leo covers the area (13.00 - 16.40 in Leo); i.e. Lagna Navamsa in this case is the 5th Navamsa of Leo. Hope this clarifies. Note: No D-charts are under consideration, since the Rishi Horas DOES NOT support the concept of D-charts. Love and regards,Sreenadh , sanjay jain <sonjayjain wrote:>> Shreenadhji ,> Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in navamsa chart ???> Say> In lagna chart of aries sign in lagna - lagna lord is mars , but in navamsa chart ....lagna is libra...that means lagna navamsa is venus.....????> If yes , now the discussions will be on position of venus in various houses in navamsa chart.....or about various positions of mars in navamsa chart..> Hope I am clear in my question.>  Best Regards> > > Sanjay Jain> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > Sunday, 3 August, 2008 5:04:46 PM> Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna)> > > Dear All,>  Similar to the series "Lagna Lord in Various Houses", I would like to start a new series with the name "Lagna Navamsa in Various Houses". Let us start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes -"'What are the various results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in various houses for Aries Lagna?".  I hope that this exercise may give us some understanding on 'How to predict with Navamsa?'>   I request you to be specific and to the point - please leave-out the general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this we have already covered in another exercise) and be specific about the results generated by the Navamsa placement. That is, we assume the native took birth within the following degrees for the 9 combinations under consideration ->  1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20)>  2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40)>  3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00)>  4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20)>  5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40)>  6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) >  7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20)>  8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40)>  9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00)>  That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in detail. What would be difference between the destiny of these individuals? What are the different results to be predicted for them? How much does it match with the reality? (Quotes may not be good enough when reality is in question)>  I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request Neelam ji to start the discussion with an informative base note about the same quoting the classics.>  Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will verify the derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various navamsas.> Love and reagrds,> Sreenadh> > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger./> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Vijayadas ji, // Example - Assume Lagna is at 5 degrees in Aries Rashi. Navamsha attained by this Lagna bindu will be Taurus(Parashara definition for 5th degree of Aries). Thus Lagna Navamsha is Taurus. // I request you to apply a correction in your terminology. My (corrected) version of the above statement would be -Example - Assume Lagna is at 5 degrees in Aries Rashi. Here the Lagna Navamsha is the 2nd Navamsa of Aries, since the 2nd Navamsha of Aries covers the area 03.20-06.40. NavamshaKA attained by this Lagna bindu will be Taurus (Parashara definition for 5th degree of Aries). Thus Lagna NavamshaKA is Taurus. To clarify again in the above case - * Lagna Navamsha is 2nd Navamsha of Aries. (the part within Aries that is assigned to Tarus sign) * Lagna NavamshaKA is Taurus. (the sign where the Navamsaka will be denoted in the Sign-Navamsa mixed view of natal chart)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:>> Dear Shri Sanjay ji> > If i am allowed to intervene before Sreenadh ji replies -> > Lagna Navamsha - It has nothing to do with Lagna Lord.> > Lagna is a bindu or point, which in astrology is measured by virtue > of an arc of degree. Every Planet as well as our Lagna has got this > degree at the time of our birth.> > Similar to every planet attaining a navamsha, dashamsha, drekkana etc > w.r to the rashi in which it is falling, our Lagna too can attain the > same.> > Thus the navamsha attained by the above Lagna bindu is called Lagna > navamsha. This is the definition and this is how any software > programe will calculateg Lagna navamsha. > > Example - Assume Lagna is at 5 degrees in Aries Rashi. Navamsha > attained by this Lagna bindu will be Taurus(Parashara definition for > 5th degree of Aries). Thus Lagna Navamsha is Taurus. This is what you > see as Lagna/Ascendant in ''Navamsha Chakra'' (collective of > projection of navamshas attained by lagna and planets within the > rashi chakra)> > Hope i am clear.> > Regards> Pradeep> , sanjay jain > sonjayjain@ wrote:> >> > Shreenadhji ,> > Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in > navamsa chart ???> > Say> > In lagna chart of aries sign in lagna - lagna lord is mars , but in > navamsa chart ....lagna is libra...that means lagna navamsa is > venus.....????> > If yes , now the discussions will be on position of venus in > various houses in navamsa chart.....or about various positions of > mars in navamsa chart..> > Hope I am clear in my question.> >  Best Regards> > > > > > Sanjay Jain> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@> > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008 5:04:46 PM> > Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries > Lagna)> > > > > > Dear All,> >  Similar to the series "Lagna Lord in Various Houses", I would > like to start a new series with the name "Lagna Navamsa in Various > Houses". Let us start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes -> "'What are the various results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in > various houses for Aries Lagna?".  I hope that this exercise may > give us some understanding on 'How to predict with Navamsa?'> >   I request you to be specific and to the point - please leave-> out the general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this > we have already covered in another exercise) and be specific about > the results generated by the Navamsa placement. That is, we assume > the native took birth within the following degrees for the 9 > combinations under consideration -> >  1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20)> >  2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40)> >  3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00)> >  4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20)> >  5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40)> >  6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) > >  7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20)> >  8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40)> >  9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00)> >  That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in > detail. What would be difference between the destiny of these > individuals? What are the different results to be predicted for them? > How much does it match with the reality? (Quotes may not be good > enough when reality is in question)> >  I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request Neelam ji > to start the discussion with an informative base note about the same > quoting the classics.> >  Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will > verify the derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various > navamsas.> > Love and reagrds,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go > to http://in.webmessenger./> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Neelam Ji, It seems your method for explaining resonates to me. Thank you for the good hints. Now please let me know the next steps how we interpret the Placement of Navamsha Rising Lord in natal chart and Placement of Navamsha rising lord in navamsha? Let's say Placement of LL in the natal chart is in 11th bhava and Placement of Navamsha rising lord is in 4th navamsha bhava (in this specific case we have Vargottama - the same lagna rising and Navamsha rising gemini, Lord mercury). Thank you very much again and looking forward to your posts. Love and warm Regards, Liana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Pradeep Ji , Yes I got your points .... But referrring to the 1st mail ....that discussions shall be on "Lagna Navamsa in Various Houses "..that means we shall be discussing about position of ( by your example) Venus in various houses in Navamsha chart ?? Best Regards Sanjay Jain vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep Sent: Friday, 15 August, 2008 11:55:07 PM Re:Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna) Dear Shri Sanjay jiIf i am allowed to intervene before Sreenadh ji replies -Lagna Navamsha - It has nothing to do with Lagna Lord.Lagna is a bindu or point, which in astrology is measured by virtue of an arc of degree. Every Planet as well as our Lagna has got this degree at the time of our birth.Similar to every planet attaining a navamsha, dashamsha, drekkana etc w.r to the rashi in which it is falling, our Lagna too can attain the same.Thus the navamsha attained by the above Lagna bindu is called Lagna navamsha. This is the definition and this is how any software programe will calculateg Lagna navamsha. Example - Assume Lagna is at 5 degrees in Aries Rashi. Navamsha attained by this Lagna bindu will be Taurus(Parashara definition for 5th degree of Aries). Thus Lagna Navamsha is Taurus. This is what you see as Lagna/Ascendant in ''Navamsha Chakra'' (collective of projection of navamshas attained by lagna and planets within the rashi chakra)Hope i am clear.RegardsPradeepancient_indian_ astrology, sanjay jain <sonjayjain@ ...> wrote:>> Shreenadhji ,> Very basic question : What is Lagna navamsa - is it lagna lord in navamsa chart ???> Say> In lagna chart of aries sign in lagna - lagna lord is mars , but in navamsa chart ....lagna is libra...that means lagna navamsa is venus.....?? ??> If yes , now the discussions will be on position of venus in various houses in navamsa chart.....or about various positions of mars in navamsa chart..> Hope I am clear in my question.>  Best Regards> > > Sanjay Jain> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 3 August, 2008 5:04:46 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna)> > > Dear All,>  Similar to the series "Lagna Lord in Various Houses", I would like to start a new series with the name "Lagna Navamsa in Various Houses". Let us start with Aries Lagna. So the question becomes -"'What are the various results to predict for Lagna Navamsa in various houses for Aries Lagna?".  I hope that this exercise may give us some understanding on 'How to predict with Navamsa?'>   I request you to be specific and to the point - please leave-out the general results that can be predicted for Aries Lagna (this we have already covered in another exercise) and be specific about the results generated by the Navamsa placement. That is, we assume the native took birth within the following degrees for the 9 combinations under consideration ->  1) Aries Lagna Aries Navamsa (0.00 - 3.20)>  2) Aries Lagna Taurus Navamsa (3.20 - 6.40)>  3) Aries Lagna Gemini Navamsa (6.40 - 10.00)>  4) Aries Lagna Cancer Navamsa (10.00 - 13.20)>  5) Aries Lagna Leo Navamsa (13.20 - 16.40)>  6) Aries Lagna Virgo Navamsa (16.40 - 20.00) >  7) Aries Lagna Libra Navamsa (20.00 - 23.20)>  8) Aries Lagna Scorpio Navamsa (23.20 - 26.40)>  9) Aries Lagna Sagetterious Navamsa (26.40 - 30.00)>  That means we are going to discuss the Aries Lagna Native in detail. What would be difference between the destiny of these individuals? What are the different results to be predicted for them? How much does it match with the reality? (Quotes may not be good enough when reality is in question)>  I hope you will enjoy this series. ;=) I request Neelam ji to start the discussion with an informative base note about the same quoting the classics.>  Note: Once the theoretical discussion round is over, we will verify the derived results with Aries Lagna charts with various navamsas.> Love and reagrds,> Sreenadh> > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessen ger.. com/> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Neelam Ji , Well explained ... So now we shall be discussing about which of the 4 identities as mentioned by you....????( definately not the 1st one ) Best Regards Sanjay Jain neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Saturday, 16 August, 2008 10:48:03 AMRe: Re:Lagna Navamsa Series (Aries Lagna) Dear All,Let me clarify a little, specially for the beginners. The current discussion is pivoted around 4 points, which are all independent identities, yet cannot work without each other. These are: 1) Lagna Rising (Which sign is Rising)2) Lagna Navamsh or navamsh rising (depending upon the degrees, say 5.40 in aries, it becomes Taurus in this case). These two provides the basic working environment for the individual for whatever we judge from lagna, natal chart and navamsh 3) Who is the Lord of the rising sign/lagna (in this case mars)4) Who is the Lord of the navamsh rising (here venus) These are the governing heads working in the environment or stage set above. They may be enemies or friends, old or young, happy or unhappy… the individual has no choice but to enjoy or suffer the situations as governed by them. Broadly, navamsha chart supports/strengthen s or nagates/weakens what the natal chart says. If both support some result, it is taken to be true with more confidence. Also, navamsha will give a better indication for dashas. That is how beginners can look at these factors. These are entirely different factors, yet so dependent that one is not possible without another. But, before approaching to analyse and synthesise the net effects, one should be very clear what is to be judged, and from where? Now 4 more identities are also directly related with this stage (if I am not confusing those whose are beginners): Placement of LL in the natal chart Navamsha position of Lagna Lord Placement of Navamsha Rising Lord in natal chart Placement of Navamsha rising lord in navamsh For assessing the results, one has to see all these factors one will be able to correctly assess the strength of the environment as well as the actors who are working in that environement. I personally find that visualization of houses and planets, if done like environment and persons and their role plays, makes astrology very simple and enjoyable. Both Sreeram ji and Bhaskaran ji have tried to do that and Pradeep ji has given the basic clarification. I am just echoing what all of them have meant if taken together. RegardsNeelam Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Liana,//Now please let me know the next steps how we interpret the Placement of Navamsha Rising Lord in natal chart and Placement of Navamsha rising lord in navamsha?// Why don't you take a step forward and first share your understanding on the issue you've raised. I am sure then, you will be guided by many learned members.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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