RE:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

August 2, 2008

Dear Bhaskar ji and group,I know this group enjoys going off the tangents... but allow me to revert you all back to astrology... //Now why is the 5th house solitarily, a house of

loss in money matters? just hold your horoscope upside down. Now see. It

becomes the 11th house for the opposite person with whom you are

dealing. Got it? //

//Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must

never go for partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of

profits, while the native would be left with nothing.//

This is only a small part of the story and I don't

think we can generalize this statement, as this will entirely depend upon the

nature of 5H/7H/lagna (with this I mean all influencing factors). 11H is of

gains, not really income, for which we have 2H. And 5H is the place where this

income is kept (4H from 2H). 5H is also called lakshmi sthan. If your 5H is 11H

for partner, it could also mean that partner has kept his gains in your tijori.

If 5H is strong, it could also mean you are pocketing your partner's gains. It might

be like having a partner who comes and hands over his gains to his partner/spouse.

11H is many types of gains including our gains in

experiences. 5H throws challenges in getting gains (being 7th from

11H) for self also. If you see in esoteric terms, 5H of poorv punya throwing daunting

challenges in getting gains, experiences, temptations which cause loss of moksh in 12H and you repeat the lifecycle.

5H is the house of intellect and vivek, when this does not work, we lose in

11H. When we cannot speculate, there are no gains in 11H. 5H shows the previous sanchit karmas and 11H is always is a challenge (read marak). So the challenges of these two houses work in tandem -- one from another and vice versa.

Coming back to the points in blue, if you meditate on the relationship between 1H and

7H, thinking about the partners, spouse, opponents, even your own projected

self, on the points discussed above, an interesting story would emerge that

will clarify most of the life's issues. Just think of the following points:

2/5/8/11 houses are the same set of houses from

lagna as well as 7H. If we take only for monetary gains, 2H is my

income, 5H is where I keep it, 8H is my unearned/inherited wealth and 11H is my gains

which complete the circle when reinvested for income in 2H. Similarly, taking

from 7H, 8H is my partners income, 11H is his lakshmi sthan, 2H is his

unearned/inherited income and 5H is his gains to be invested in 8H. The pattern

is very obvious. The pillars of Kendra houses give results in panphars of

2/5/8/11 which make this cycle go. 1-7 axis of two selves with their respective

karmas in 4-10 axis make this merry-go-round. Thus, in a relationship, obviously, one's income becomes other's gain. LL and 7L are never natural friends but between

them they have to make this merry-go-round go. What we need to see in the

charts is whether this relationship is symbiotic, parasitic, complementary or

supplementary.

Hope I have been able to convey what I mean. Or I leave it to the learned members to ponder over this.RegardsNeelam

August 3, 2008

Dear Bhaskarji and members,

A strong 5H in query chart indicate gain to opponents.

I n Natal charts , if both 5H and 11H are occupied by their Lords or in auspicious influence

indicate yogas for richness.

Kindly refer BPHS chapters on yogas.

Regards, G.K.GOEL

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Sent: Sunday, 3 August, 2008 12:49:54 PM Re: RE:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

My comments in Red.

I know this group enjoys going off the tangents... but allow me to revert you all back to astrology... //Now why is the 5th house solitarily, a house of loss in money matters? just hold your horoscope upside down. Now see. It becomes the 11th house for the opposite person with whom you are dealing. Got it? //

//Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must never go for partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of profits, while the native would be left with nothing.//

This is only a small part of the story and I don't think we can generalize this statement, as this will entirely depend upon the nature of 5H/7H/lagna (with this I mean all influencing factors). 11H is of gains, not really income, for which we have 2H. And 5H is the place where this income is kept (4H from 2H). 5H is also called lakshmi sthan. If your 5H is 11H for partner, it could also mean that partner has kept his gains in your tijori. If 5H is strong, it could also mean you are pocketing your partner's gains. It might be like having a partner who comes and hands over his gains to his partner/spouse.

You have struck a chord which is actually used by me for remedial measures when I have to gude a business man who is running the Dasha with full activation of the 8th house . To break the negative indications of the 8th house, i advise him to go for partnership, and if it is a family business, then I advise him to kake his wife or anyone else a partner from the family. Because the 7th is 12th from the 8th, and if the 7th house attributes are put in action, it helps in breaking the negatives of the 8th. The 7th is also representing partnerships, be it of marriage or otherwise, including tie-ups , joint ventures or any laison work. But then I also advise the businessman to actually give the major share of his profits to this partner who has been made, uptil 70% of the profits I would advise him to part to his wife, if she is made a partner. No fooling with the stars. No partner would

keep his money in my tijori, if he is not from my family, and dont forget that the 5th is opposite house to the house of my gains, which is the 11th. uptil now we have been talking about generalisations, and not talking about any particular chart in question.

11H is many types of gains including our gains in experiences. 5H throws challenges in getting gains (being 7th from 11H) for self also. If you see in esoteric terms, 5H of poorv punya throwing daunting challenges in getting gains, experiences, temptations which cause loss of moksh in 12H and you repeat the lifecycle. 5H is the house of intellect and vivek, when this does not work, we lose in 11H. When we cannot speculate, there are no gains in 11H. 5H shows the previous sanchit karmas and 11H is always is a challenge (read marak). So the challenges of these two houses work in tandem -- one from another and vice versa.

The 5th would create heart attacks, losses in speculations, loss of a child , if connected to the 8th. But it would gains only if connected to the 11th. The 5th if connected to the 9th and 12th, would make the person a spiritual stalwart par excellence.

Coming back to the points in blue, if you meditate on the relationship between 1H and 7H, thinking about the partners, spouse, opponents, even your own projected self, on the points discussed above, an interesting story would emerge that will clarify most of the life's issues. Just think of the following points:

2/5/8/11 houses are the same set of houses from lagna as well as 7H.

If we take only for monetary gains, 2H is my income, 5H is where I keep it, 8H is my unearned/inherited wealth and 11H is my gains which complete the circle when reinvested for income in 2H. Similarly, taking from 7H, 8H is my partners income, 11H is his lakshmi sthan, 2H is his unearned/inherited income and 5H is his gains to be invested in 8H. The pattern is very obvious. The pillars of Kendra houses give results in panphars of 2/5/8/11 which make this cycle go. 1-7 axis of two selves with their respective karmas in 4-10 axis make this merry-go-round. Thus, in a relationship, obviously, one's income becomes other's gain.

LL and 7L are never natural friends but between them they have to make this merry-go-round go. What we need to see in the charts is whether this relationship is symbiotic, parasitic, complementary or supplementary.

the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is actually seen as Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a house of Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.

Hope I have been able to convey what I mean. Or I leave it to the learned members to ponder over this.

I am not going into the esoteric comments, because if i start doing that, then I would finish only by evening. Regards

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