Kaul ji, HinduCalendar Group and Atharvana Jyotisha :)

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Dear Jyotishi ji

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> I had forwarded the book "Atma Jyotisha" to Thiru Kaul off-line.

I

> think I have not committed any blunder in doing so, nor do I think

> Thiru Kaul has committed any in uploading it on the Hindu Calendar

> forum.

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No, not at all! As you rightly said Knowledge is for sharing and

it is good that such resources are getting shared.

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> I am however surprised that Mr. Bhattacharjya has not posted Mr.

> Kaul's reply to this mail on this forum that he had not seen this

> book till date and probably it is the one that Dixit has discussed in

> his "Bharatiya Jyotisha Shastra".

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That is a new info. Could be - I don't know.

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> According to Mr. Kaul, this book

> can never be a part of the Atharva Veda since none of the three

> editions of that Veda that Mr. Kaul has contains anything like "Atma

> Jyotisha" or "Atharva Jyotisha" nor are any of the

"mantras" of "Atma

> Jyotisha" listed in the "Mantra-anukramanika" of the

Atharva Veda.

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Kaul is exactly right in pointing out that this book called

"Atharvana Jyotisha" is NOT part of currently available

"Atharva Veda". But for sure, the 3 books -

1) Atharvana Jyotisha

2) Atharava Vedeeya Jyotisha &

3) Atharva Vendanga Jyotisha

Belongs to the SAME TRADITION of astronomy/astrology that is

mentioned in Vedas. This is a fact well evident to anyone who sincerely study

these texts. But certainly as Kaul ji puts it, in its re-written state

(considering linguistics as well) these texts must be of later origin than the

Vedas themselves. So the point is - the knowledge and concepts contained within

these texts seems to be in tune with the vedic approach to astronomy/astrology;

But definitely these text are compiled to the current state only at a very

later stage; and thus these texts are certainly of later origin. Actully as per

this rule – the Rig/Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha texts on which Kaul bases most of

his arguments are also texts of very very late origin (AD Origin!) even though

tradition dates back to the Vedic period. Actually it is fun looking at the

arguments of Kaul ji, since his own standing ground is like a marshy land. :=).

 

Hope this make the point clear. A man who denies any results or usefulness

behind festivals, but insists that festivals should be celebrated – truly funny.

:=)

Regards,

Sreenadh , "jyotishi2001" <jyotishi2001 wrote:>> Mr. Sreenadhji,> I had forwarded the book "Atma Jyotisha" to Thiru Kaul off-line. I > think I have not committed any blunder in doing so, nor do I think > Thiru Kaul has committed any in uploading it on the Hindu Calendar > forum. > I had also sent him your post informing Mr. Bhattacharjya that you > had got this book with great diffuculty. He has published that > letter also, with all your correspondence with Mr. Bhattcharjya, on > the HinduCalendar forum.> Perhaps knowledge is for sharing according to me.> I am however surprised that Mr. Bhattacharjya has not posted Mr. > Kaul's reply to this mail on this forum that he had not seen this > book till date and probably it is the one that Dixit has discussed in > his "Bharatiya Jyotisha Shastra". According to Mr. Kaul, this book > can never be a part of the Atharva Veda since none of the three > editions of that Veda that Mr. Kaul has contains anything like "Atma > Jyotisha" or "Atharva Jyotisha" nor are any of the "mantras" of "Atma > Jyotisha" listed in the "Mantra-anukramanika" of the Atharva Veda.> Best regards,> jyotishi2001> (I would like to be called by this name by forum members instead of > by any other name)> , Sunil Bhattacharjya > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:> >> > Shri Avtarji,> > > > Namaste,> > > > Shri M.S.Menonji (Jyotishi2001) had forwarded this file of > Atharvana Jyotisha of 167 verses to you from the Ancient Astrology > Group probably thinking that I was talking about it. I did request > Sreenadhji (the moderator of the Ancient Astrology Group) to let me > know as to how to find the Atharvana Jyotisha with the comments of > Pandit Bhagavad Datta and he had very kindly uploaded this file into > the Ancient Astrology Group, only a couple of days ago. I am sure > this Atharvana Jyotisha is known to you as you have, in one of your > earlier letters, criticised it saying that it is a later text of 500 > BCE, which someone had interpolated into the Atharva veda. In fact I > was wondering as to why you yourself did not upload it into the Hindu > Calendar Group.> > > > You know that I> > have been talking to you about the 162 verses in the Atharva veda > to you for long time time as the proof that the Veda talks about > astrology. You have been asking me for the references on it in the > Atharva Veda for quite some time. Again when you insisted that I > tell you the references in Atharva Veda and implied that you could > not find it in your 4 /5 volumes of Atharva Veda then I said that I > shall send you the references on it (in the Atharva veda) when I > return to Pune. However what happens happens for the best and you are > now satisfied that Menonji (Jyotishi2001) sent it to you the > Atharvana Jyotisam.> > > > Regards> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, HinduCalendar <Hin> > duCalendar wrote:> > HinduCalendar HinduCalendar > > [HinduCalendar] New file uploaded to HinduCalendar> > HinduCalendar > > Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:25 PM> > > > Hello,> > > > > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that> > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HinduCalendar> > > > group.> > > > > > > > File : /Atharva-jyotisha. pdf> > > > Uploaded by : a_krishen jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>> > > > Description : This file was sent to me by Shri jyotishi2001 from > ancient_indian_ astrology forum. I think this is the one Shri Sunil > Bhattacharjya is talking about!> > > > > > > > You can access this file at the URL:> > > > http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar Atharva-> jyotisha .pdf> > > > > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:> > > > http://help. / l/us// groups/original/ members/web/ > index.htmlfiles> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > a_krishen jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>> >>