Chanakya Quotes/Ashoka/Buddha

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

As always I like the way you put up your arguments.

'We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into Buddhism (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great example to follow. "

You make it sound like a fairytale........and everybody lived happy ever after.

History is history. Neither you nor I can tell what happened and what not happened. May be I was too sure about my history lesson. In fact we learnt all these under 'Introduction of Buddhism to Sri Lanka'. Your history may tell a totally different story. You revealed so many things that I was not aware of....thanks. Of course this doesn't mean that I accept every word of it. This is proof enough that history is manipulated as to the needs of the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need to look at these things skeptically.

Whatever the history books fantasize, the Dhamma taught by Buddha is valid even today. No one can deny that. I hope you agree with me as to this. One need not have to be a Buddhist by birth to accept it.

Thanks again for the nice write-up.

blessings

Renu

 

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Renu ji,> We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after> realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into Buddhism> (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great example> to follow. Yes, we love to believe so - because that fits in with our> mental picture, that is what we want to believe; especially if we are> into Buddhist religion.> But this may not be the truth, there is a possibility that it could> be exactly otherwise, when looked in a different perspective, in the> light of facts/info available.> * Asoka FORCEFULLY CONVERTED even the Greeks to Buddhist religion in> an effort to spread Buddhism.> * He NEVER became a Buddhist Monk> * He NEVER dropped the weapon and stopped using force EVEN AFTER> started adoring Buddhism. He used force throughout him ruling period> when ever required, if the peaceful approach was not enough, even after> started adoring Buddhist religion.> * He was a Non-vegetarian even after the thought to have Buddhist> adoption (This point I need to cross verify)> * Asoka’s spirituality was a spiritual WAR against the Jain> (followed by his forefathers) and Brahmanic religions> > Of course it is true that the rule of Asoka helped the spreading not> only the Buddhist and Jain religions; and later caused/invited their> destruction and mass murder of Buddhist monks due to the strong> revolt/retort of the Brahmanic religion after the period of Asoka> (during the period of Sunga and Gupta kingdoms). Remember the Buddhist> monks who plough the fields with ropes drilled through their nostrils> like Oxes as described in Mudra Rakshasam of Gupta period.> > There was no ideal situation - no certainly not in the case of> Askoka; everything was turbulent; his life and deeds; He never became a> Buddha/ Buddhist who was mentally settled; one who was in peace with> himself. He was a king and remained a king and never ever became a> monk; because he was never that. He was a warrior, and fought throughout> in life; even in his spirituality. For him even spirituality was a> violent affair; this is the current picture I have.> The one who won and one who failed have separate history; for the> people who adopt separate religions their religions and religious> leaders/propagators won always, where ideal always. Thus history differs> from place to place, community to community! This is true for Hindus,> this is true for Christians, this is true for Buddhists, this is true> for Muslims, this true for us all! There is no true history; history is> a sinfull affair of lying! Those win lie, those who adopt one path lie,> not willingly; that is what we wish and adore.... that is what we are> taught...that is what ideal situations and wishful limelight stories> tell us.... That is how things are... always turbulent...always> providing the wrong vision....blurred...it is so...and will remain> so..... Every thing is a lie..may be what I said too.... But the only> truth we should understand and learn is .... "Since history is so, since> lif is so, it is better to be skeptical... it is better to be skeptical> than becoming believers....because when we believe and not trust...when> we believe and don't wish to question, we will start fighting...fighting> anything that comes against our wishful thinking.....our dream> stories....." So let be skeptical, of what I said and what you said....> a skeptic is better armed...one who doubts and asks questions has a> better chance to know the truth...reach closer to truth...> Regards,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > 'It seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war> > than peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence. "> >> > Asoka embraced Buddhism after realizing the futility of war. He> > conquered land but he was not happy. He became the greatest emperor at> > that time yet he was not happy. How could he when he had committed> mass> > murder in the name of war. The bloody battlefields with thousand> corpses> > of innocent people made him feel defeated and not victorious. Then he> > met this young Buddhist monk, was inspired by his preaching and> embraced> > Buddhism. Afterwards he spread Buddhism all over Asia, and as a> special> > gesture of respect and friendship sent his own son, Arahat Mahinda> with> > the message of Buddhsim to Sri Lanka. There was no war involved in> > spreading. Arahat Mahinda, first approached then King of Sri Lanka,> > Devanampiyatissa, and made him understand the message of Buddhism.> Later> > Emperor Ashoka sent his daughter Sangamitta with the sacred bo sapling> > to Sri Lanka. He realized that only Dhamma could make one victorious> and> > not war. In simple words, he faught to conquer kingdoms, it did not> > bring him happiness, then embraced Buddhism and spread it all over> > peacefully.> >> > Buddhism is not a religion to be spread as such. It is a philosophy,> > which can be embraced by anyone at anytime if he /she has wisdom to do> > so. Hence there is no necessity to wage war to spreac Buddhism. Lord> > Buddha did not force to convert anyone to become a Buddhist. He> preached> > his dhamma and those who thought it was the right path, chose to> follow> > it.> >> > No king would wage war to spread Buddhism. Buddhism speaks of> compassion> > and not of hatred. Whether people who call themselves Buddhists,> > pracitse it or not is a different matter. But the message in Buddhism> is> > peace, compassion, universal love and finally detachment from all> > worldly cravings.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > We cannot drop Osho. Once we start listening to him, then he is a> > > pain in the neck for life!! That is what is special about him. > But> > > there is no such problem of seeking enlightenment associated with> > > Chanakya. Even Chandragupta Maurya dropped Chanakya & Vishnugupta> > and> > > followed the Jain sage Bhadrabahu to travel to south (to Karnataka)> > > living everything behind.> > > Chandragupta Maurya was a Jain king; but his famous decendent Asoka> > > is thought to have converted to Buddhist religion. Ujjain (Malva> > > Kingdom) and Kalinga was Jain kingdoms at that time; Asoka destroyed> > > them both; killed numerous Jains; then popularized Buddhist religion> > (In> > > an effort to conqur the Jains at least in the name of spirituality?)> > It> > > seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war> than> > > peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence.> > > By the way, Osho is an individual born in Jain religion, but who> > > adored the spell-bound beauty of Buddha (and not the Buddhist> > religion).> > > Vishnugupta was the author of the 2nd authentic ancient text we have> > to> > > know about this good old period in India's past, i.e. Arthasasta.> (The> > > 1st being Kamasutra of Valtyayana). We can also remember that> Chankya> > > is the author of Chanakya Sutra and lived BEFORE Vishnugupta. Vishnu> > > gupta is the scholar politician who wrote Arthasastra and lived> during> > > the period of Chandragupta Maurya as well evident in Arthasastra> > > (Chandakya, Kautilya and Vishnugupta are different individuals).> > > Life is trubulant; history at any period is not different; the same> > > social forces, similar vims and fancies takes the center stage; the> > > names that will be remembers WILL NOT BE the names the thought to be> > > famous names for the moment, but the subtle beauties.....Life is> like> > > that. Chanakya is strong like a tempest...but Osho is the subtle> wind> > > that persists throughout the ages....We cannot drop him - it is> > > impossible!> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> >>

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Dear Shri Sreenadh ji,

 

i would write in few Lines, my views.

 

I agree with the first para of your mail.

 

About Asoka not being what we have all known uptil now he was, its

difficult to take this in, but I am sure if you are talking like this,

then you must be having some proofs and substance to talk in this

manner.

 

I also agree about history brought to us, may have become distorted

somewhere. But About these Great men of their times, history is not

recorded at only one place, They must have been known at quite a number

of places thousands of miles apart. And if the history says everywhere

that he was good, then we believe so. But if you have found otherwise

references at several places, about his other side not known to us, then

please let us know about the same. I would ,ike to read about this other

side, if the sources are authentic,

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after

> realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into

Buddhism

> (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great example

> to follow. Yes, we love to believe so - because that fits in with our

> mental picture, that is what we want to believe; especially if we are

> into Buddhist religion.

> But this may not be the truth, there is a possibility that it could

> be exactly otherwise, when looked in a different perspective, in the

> light of facts/info available.

> * Asoka FORCEFULLY CONVERTED even the Greeks to Buddhist religion in

> an effort to spread Buddhism.

> * He NEVER became a Buddhist Monk

> * He NEVER dropped the weapon and stopped using force EVEN AFTER

> started adoring Buddhism. He used force throughout him ruling period

> when ever required, if the peaceful approach was not enough, even

after

> started adoring Buddhist religion.

> * He was a Non-vegetarian even after the thought to have Buddhist

> adoption (This point I need to cross verify)

> * Asoka’s spirituality was a spiritual WAR against the Jain

> (followed by his forefathers) and Brahmanic religions

>

> Of course it is true that the rule of Asoka helped the spreading not

> only the Buddhist and Jain religions; and later caused/invited their

> destruction and mass murder of Buddhist monks due to the strong

> revolt/retort of the Brahmanic religion after the period of Asoka

> (during the period of Sunga and Gupta kingdoms). Remember the Buddhist

> monks who plough the fields with ropes drilled through their nostrils

> like Oxes as described in Mudra Rakshasam of Gupta period.

>

> There was no ideal situation - no certainly not in the case of

> Askoka; everything was turbulent; his life and deeds; He never became

a

> Buddha/ Buddhist who was mentally settled; one who was in peace with

> himself. He was a king and remained a king and never ever became a

> monk; because he was never that. He was a warrior, and fought

throughout

> in life; even in his spirituality. For him even spirituality was a

> violent affair; this is the current picture I have.

> The one who won and one who failed have separate history; for the

> people who adopt separate religions their religions and religious

> leaders/propagators won always, where ideal always. Thus history

differs

> from place to place, community to community! This is true for Hindus,

> this is true for Christians, this is true for Buddhists, this is true

> for Muslims, this true for us all! There is no true history; history

is

> a sinfull affair of lying! Those win lie, those who adopt one path

lie,

> not willingly; that is what we wish and adore.... that is what we are

> taught...that is what ideal situations and wishful limelight stories

> tell us.... That is how things are... always turbulent...always

> providing the wrong vision....blurred...it is so...and will remain

> so..... Every thing is a lie..may be what I said too.... But the only

> truth we should understand and learn is .... " Since history is so,

since

> lif is so, it is better to be skeptical... it is better to be

skeptical

> than becoming believers....because when we believe and not

trust...when

> we believe and don't wish to question, we will start

fighting...fighting

> anything that comes against our wishful thinking.....our dream

> stories..... " So let be skeptical, of what I said and what you

said....

> a skeptic is better armed...one who doubts and asks questions has a

> better chance to know the truth...reach closer to truth...

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " renunw@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > 'It seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war

> > than peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence. "

> >

> > Asoka embraced Buddhism after realizing the futility of war. He

> > conquered land but he was not happy. He became the greatest emperor

at

> > that time yet he was not happy. How could he when he had committed

> mass

> > murder in the name of war. The bloody battlefields with thousand

> corpses

> > of innocent people made him feel defeated and not victorious. Then

he

> > met this young Buddhist monk, was inspired by his preaching and

> embraced

> > Buddhism. Afterwards he spread Buddhism all over Asia, and as a

> special

> > gesture of respect and friendship sent his own son, Arahat Mahinda

> with

> > the message of Buddhsim to Sri Lanka. There was no war involved in

> > spreading. Arahat Mahinda, first approached then King of Sri Lanka,

> > Devanampiyatissa, and made him understand the message of Buddhism.

> Later

> > Emperor Ashoka sent his daughter Sangamitta with the sacred bo

sapling

> > to Sri Lanka. He realized that only Dhamma could make one victorious

> and

> > not war. In simple words, he faught to conquer kingdoms, it did not

> > bring him happiness, then embraced Buddhism and spread it all over

> > peacefully.

> >

> > Buddhism is not a religion to be spread as such. It is a philosophy,

> > which can be embraced by anyone at anytime if he /she has wisdom to

do

> > so. Hence there is no necessity to wage war to spreac Buddhism. Lord

> > Buddha did not force to convert anyone to become a Buddhist. He

> preached

> > his dhamma and those who thought it was the right path, chose to

> follow

> > it.

> >

> > No king would wage war to spread Buddhism. Buddhism speaks of

> compassion

> > and not of hatred. Whether people who call themselves Buddhists,

> > pracitse it or not is a different matter. But the message in

Buddhism

> is

> > peace, compassion, universal love and finally detachment from all

> > worldly cravings.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

>

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Dear Prashant Kumar ji,

'the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent wereless blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their mightfor that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but for somebig empires in short intervals."

Exactly. The point is unlike other religions none cannot force Hinduism/Buddhism into someone's head. It is somethng deep that each individual should understand & experience by him/herself. Hence, waging war to spread these two religions is a baseless talk.

Well, I am not sure whether the Americans are different from the British or the Communists. The West is West ...they are here to steal our riches and destroy our values.

blessings

Renu

, "astro desk" <astro.prashantkumar wrote:>> Dear Renu> > //... This is proof enough that history is manipulated as to the needs of> the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need to look at these things> skeptically....///> this is a very valid point as we have a systematic destruction, coloring by> every ruler> > there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before christian> era left standing by the crusaders-doesn't mean there were no ethnic, tribal> or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed> by such acts. same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the> Mayan civilisation brone the brunt.> > the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.> > in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent were> less blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their might> for that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but for some> big empires in short intervals> > else how could over 640 kingdoms merge into the Indian union post> Independence.?> > now the communists have taken to doctoring history, glorifying all the> invaders and tarnishing the image of all local religions, even to this day> want to worry on a dead communism, who want India to buy rusted, worn out> weaponry from communis countries, where as our rivals, tormentors can get> best from anywhere be it USA, or Israel and energy from our tormentors esp> that pases Pak who can cut off supplies at will or the line benefits china> more than us. when Nuke power we devloped will suddwe from no more fuel> supplies if they have their way, and industries, cities, agriculute,> industry will suffer with ever growing energy demands.poor pouplation makes> them rich.> > > All our energy requirements r dictated by a dead , decayed leftist mind set> from a perverted version of history they have forced it on us. rewriting> history to suit their agenda.> > we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking> as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British to divide and rules> us, time to have some professionals do it than a agenda based ones.> > Best wishes> > Prashant kumar>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

==>

> About Asoka not being what we have all known uptil now he was, its

> difficult to take this in, but I am sure if you are talking like this,

> then you must be having some proofs and substance to talk in this

> manner.

> But if you have found otherwise

> references at several places, about his other side not known to us,

then

> please let us know about the same. I would ,ike to read about this

other

> side, if the sources are authentic,

<==

There are several books that discuss Asoka in this manner or similar.

The Wonder that was India, by Bashem is one such book. Apart from the

3rd party references such as books, if we could go through the edicts of

Asoka (which are among one of the prime historical evidences) then too

if we are ready to read between the lines, we could find many things

that helps us to view the history of Asoka in a different perspective. A

perspective, possibly which is more closer to truth.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Sreenadh ji,

>

> i would write in few Lines, my views.

>

> I agree with the first para of your mail.

>

> About Asoka not being what we have all known uptil now he was, its

> difficult to take this in, but I am sure if you are talking like this,

> then you must be having some proofs and substance to talk in this

> manner.

>

> I also agree about history brought to us, may have become distorted

> somewhere. But About these Great men of their times, history is not

> recorded at only one place, They must have been known at quite a

number

> of places thousands of miles apart. And if the history says everywhere

> that he was good, then we believe so. But if you have found otherwise

> references at several places, about his other side not known to us,

then

> please let us know about the same. I would ,ike to read about this

other

> side, if the sources are authentic,

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after

> > realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into

> Buddhism

> > (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great

example

> > to follow. Yes, we love to believe so - because that fits in with

our

> > mental picture, that is what we want to believe; especially if we

are

> > into Buddhist religion.

> > But this may not be the truth, there is a possibility that it could

> > be exactly otherwise, when looked in a different perspective, in the

> > light of facts/info available.

> > * Asoka FORCEFULLY CONVERTED even the Greeks to Buddhist religion in

> > an effort to spread Buddhism.

> > * He NEVER became a Buddhist Monk

> > * He NEVER dropped the weapon and stopped using force EVEN AFTER

> > started adoring Buddhism. He used force throughout him ruling period

> > when ever required, if the peaceful approach was not enough, even

> after

> > started adoring Buddhist religion.

> > * He was a Non-vegetarian even after the thought to have Buddhist

> > adoption (This point I need to cross verify)

> > * Asoka’s spirituality was a spiritual WAR against the Jain

> > (followed by his forefathers) and Brahmanic religions

> >

> > Of course it is true that the rule of Asoka helped the spreading not

> > only the Buddhist and Jain religions; and later caused/invited their

> > destruction and mass murder of Buddhist monks due to the strong

> > revolt/retort of the Brahmanic religion after the period of Asoka

> > (during the period of Sunga and Gupta kingdoms). Remember the

Buddhist

> > monks who plough the fields with ropes drilled through their

nostrils

> > like Oxes as described in Mudra Rakshasam of Gupta period.

> >

> > There was no ideal situation - no certainly not in the case of

> > Askoka; everything was turbulent; his life and deeds; He never

became

> a

> > Buddha/ Buddhist who was mentally settled; one who was in peace with

> > himself. He was a king and remained a king and never ever became a

> > monk; because he was never that. He was a warrior, and fought

> throughout

> > in life; even in his spirituality. For him even spirituality was a

> > violent affair; this is the current picture I have.

> > The one who won and one who failed have separate history; for the

> > people who adopt separate religions their religions and religious

> > leaders/propagators won always, where ideal always. Thus history

> differs

> > from place to place, community to community! This is true for

Hindus,

> > this is true for Christians, this is true for Buddhists, this is

true

> > for Muslims, this true for us all! There is no true history; history

> is

> > a sinfull affair of lying! Those win lie, those who adopt one path

> lie,

> > not willingly; that is what we wish and adore.... that is what we

are

> > taught...that is what ideal situations and wishful limelight stories

> > tell us.... That is how things are... always turbulent...always

> > providing the wrong vision....blurred...it is so...and will remain

> > so..... Every thing is a lie..may be what I said too.... But the

only

> > truth we should understand and learn is .... " Since history is so,

> since

> > lif is so, it is better to be skeptical... it is better to be

> skeptical

> > than becoming believers....because when we believe and not

> trust...when

> > we believe and don't wish to question, we will start

> fighting...fighting

> > anything that comes against our wishful thinking.....our dream

> > stories..... " So let be skeptical, of what I said and what you

> said....

> > a skeptic is better armed...one who doubts and asks questions has a

> > better chance to know the truth...reach closer to truth...

> > Regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " renunw " renunw@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > 'It seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a

war

> > > than peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence. "

> > >

> > > Asoka embraced Buddhism after realizing the futility of war. He

> > > conquered land but he was not happy. He became the greatest

emperor

> at

> > > that time yet he was not happy. How could he when he had committed

> > mass

> > > murder in the name of war. The bloody battlefields with thousand

> > corpses

> > > of innocent people made him feel defeated and not victorious. Then

> he

> > > met this young Buddhist monk, was inspired by his preaching and

> > embraced

> > > Buddhism. Afterwards he spread Buddhism all over Asia, and as a

> > special

> > > gesture of respect and friendship sent his own son, Arahat Mahinda

> > with

> > > the message of Buddhsim to Sri Lanka. There was no war involved in

> > > spreading. Arahat Mahinda, first approached then King of Sri

Lanka,

> > > Devanampiyatissa, and made him understand the message of Buddhism.

> > Later

> > > Emperor Ashoka sent his daughter Sangamitta with the sacred bo

> sapling

> > > to Sri Lanka. He realized that only Dhamma could make one

victorious

> > and

> > > not war. In simple words, he faught to conquer kingdoms, it did

not

> > > bring him happiness, then embraced Buddhism and spread it all over

> > > peacefully.

> > >

> > > Buddhism is not a religion to be spread as such. It is a

philosophy,

> > > which can be embraced by anyone at anytime if he /she has wisdom

to

> do

> > > so. Hence there is no necessity to wage war to spreac Buddhism.

Lord

> > > Buddha did not force to convert anyone to become a Buddhist. He

> > preached

> > > his dhamma and those who thought it was the right path, chose to

> > follow

> > > it.

> > >

> > > No king would wage war to spread Buddhism. Buddhism speaks of

> > compassion

> > > and not of hatred. Whether people who call themselves Buddhists,

> > > pracitse it or not is a different matter. But the message in

> Buddhism

> > is

> > > peace, compassion, universal love and finally detachment from all

> > > worldly cravings.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> >

>

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Dear Prashant ji,==>> there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before Christian> era left standing by the crusaders-doesn't mean there were no ethnic, tribal> or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed> by such acts. <== Of course there existed a great pre-Christian religion and civilization in Europe too. The Vedic like Wicca religion is one such ancient religion that spanned through out Europe. ==>> same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the> Mayan civilization brone the brunt.<== Right you are.... The hub of Mayan civilization i.e. Guatemala gets mentioned even in the 6th century astrological text by Mihira called "Pancha Sidhhantika". How on earth, the 6th century Mihira who lived in India knew about the Guatemala origin of Maya civilization? It not it is the ancient knowledge that descendent from the past (from BC 18000 Garga period? from Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization?) there is no other chance that Mihira could know about America, Guatemala and Maya civilization!!! Mihira's historical period was not good enough to have such an understanding; during 6th century AD the Indian knowledge about geographical locations on earth and history and politics related to various places were not good enough. Neither much see faring was there at this period nor the technology to achieve the same. History is NOT Linier... We had the proper see faring technology once during the Sindhu-Sarasvaty period....knowledge descended..this could be one possibility... ==>> we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking> as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British <== The history of India gets distorted primarily by the Indians - they are the prime culprits for distorting history with all the whims and fancies and puranas. Compared to what the British did to history was just a minor crime. But of course you are right in saying that - "we will have to re-think and revisit t history again" "we were taught a distorted version".Love and regards,Sreenadh , "astro desk" <astro.prashantkumar wrote:>> Dear Renu> > //... This is proof enough that history is manipulated as to the needs of> the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need to look at these things> skeptically....///> this is a very valid point as we have a systematic destruction, coloring by> every ruler> > there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before christian> era left standing by the crusaders-doesn't mean there were no ethnic, tribal> or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed> by such acts. same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the> Mayan civilisation brone the brunt.> > the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.> > in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent were> less blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their might> for that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but for some> big empires in short intervals> > else how could over 640 kingdoms merge into the Indian union post> Independence.?> > now the communists have taken to doctoring history, glorifying all the> invaders and tarnishing the image of all local religions, even to this day> want to worry on a dead communism, who want India to buy rusted, worn out> weaponry from communis countries, where as our rivals, tormentors can get> best from anywhere be it USA, or Israel and energy from our tormentors esp> that pases Pak who can cut off supplies at will or the line benefits china> more than us. when Nuke power we devloped will suddwe from no more fuel> supplies if they have their way, and industries, cities, agriculute,> industry will suffer with ever growing energy demands.poor pouplation makes> them rich.> > > All our energy requirements r dictated by a dead , decayed leftist mind set> from a perverted version of history they have forced it on us. rewriting> history to suit their agenda.> > we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking> as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British to divide and rules> us, time to have some professionals do it than a agenda based ones.> > Best wishes> > Prashant kumar>

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Dear Prashant, Sreenath and other learned members,

The post is the food for thought. What ever we have at our hand is manipulated

and distorted. We have to work hard to reach the truth.

Regards

 

S.C.Kursija

 

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

Sreenadh <sreesog

Re: Fwd: Chanakya Quotes/Ashoka/Buddha

 

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:37 AM

 

Dear Prashant ji,

==>

> there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before Christian

> era left standing by the crusaders-doesn' t mean there were no ethnic, tribal

> or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed

> by such acts.

<==

   Of course there existed a great pre-Christian religion and civilization in

Europe too.  The Vedic like Wicca religion is one such ancient religion that

spanned through out Europe.

==>

> same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the

> Mayan civilization brone the brunt.

<==

   Right you are.... The hub of Mayan civilization i.e.  Guatemala gets

mentioned even in the 6th century astrological text by Mihira called " Pancha

Sidhhantika " . How on earth, the 6th century Mihira who lived in India knew

about the Guatemala origin of Maya civilization? It not it is the ancient

knowledge that descendent from the past (from BC 18000 Garga period? from

Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization? ) there is no other chance that Mihira could know

about America,  Guatemala and Maya civilization! !! Mihira's historical period

was not good enough to have such an understanding; during 6th century AD the

Indian knowledge about geographical locations on earth and history and politics

related to various places were not good enough.  Neither much see faring was

there at this period nor the technology to achieve the same.  History is

NOT Linier... We had the proper see faring technology once during the

Sindhu-Sarasvaty period....knowledge

descended..this could be one possibility. .. 

==>

> we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking

> as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British

<==

  The history of India gets distorted primarily by the Indians - they are the

prime culprits for distorting history with all the whims and fancies and

puranas. Compared to what the British did to history was just a minor crime. But

of course you are right in saying that - " we will have to re-think and revisit t

history again "   " we were taught a distorted version " .

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

ancient_indian_ astrology, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Renu

>

> //... This is proof enough that history is manipulated as to the needs of

> the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need to look at these things

> skeptically. ...///

> this is a very valid point as we have a systematic destruction, coloring by

> every ruler

>

> there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before christian

> era left standing by the crusaders-doesn' t mean there were no ethnic, tribal

> or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed

> by such acts. same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the

> Mayan civilisation brone the brunt.

>

> the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.

>

> in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent were

> less blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their might

> for that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but for some

> big empires in short intervals

>

> else how could over 640 kingdoms merge into the Indian union post

> Independence. ?

>

> now the communists have taken to doctoring history, glorifying all the

> invaders and tarnishing the image of all local religions, even to this day

> want to worry on a dead communism, who want India to buy rusted, worn out

> weaponry from communis countries, where as our rivals, tormentors can get

> best from anywhere be it USA, or Israel and energy from our tormentors esp

> that pases Pak who can cut off supplies at will or the line benefits china

> more than us. when Nuke power we devloped will suddwe from no more fuel

> supplies if they have their way, and industries, cities, agriculute,

> industry will suffer with ever growing energy demands.poor pouplation makes

> them rich.

>

>

> All our energy requirements r dictated by a dead , decayed leftist mind set

> from a perverted version of history they have forced it on us. rewriting

> history to suit their agenda.

>

> we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking

> as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British to divide and rules

> us, time to have some professionals do it than a agenda based ones.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant kumar

>

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Dear all,

These are all matters of personal perspective .

For me The Taj mahal would remain a creation of a Rajasthan King, a temple destroyed and refabricated to look like a Musilm masoleum. But for a pure Muslim this may noy be so. For me the ASdams bridge may be the Setu built by Lord Rama, but to the atheist it may not be so, or for the general American it may be humorous to think so and must be a natural creation for them. For me the Qutub Minar would be a Vijay sthamb built by a Hindu king, renamed as the Qutub Minar but for the Musilm it may not be so. For me the rama lalas janma sthal would be the actual place for his janma, for the fanatic Muslim it would a masjid.

For the Jaini , he may like to look down upon a Buddhist King, and vice versa for a Busshist. For the pure Hindu who is not even a Buddhist or a Jaini, it would not matter . For the oppressed class, the Upper class Kings may have looked like dictaors yo their eyes. For the oppressed* class, a King from their own community could have looked like a Virtual God to them. So the oppressed class may talk bad out the upper class Kings, while the upper class may talk bad about the lowersr class born kings. All this does not matter to a person with a open justice minded view.

For me personally the good eipthets of all the religions stand as right and true, be it Hindu,Christianity,Moslem, and again in the furthered branched out species of these religions, for me even the dictums of Jainism stand as right, and so do the dictums of Buddhism, for they all teach common behaviour norms to live like a good human being.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

* Oppressed.

This word takes a new meaning and is relative to the times and centuries. Maybe the minorities were oppressed a 100 years back, if they say so, but today the minorities are oppressing the majorities and tables have turned, with the demands of "Sthans" increasing, demand for Quotas increasing,demand for prvilges increasing, demand for Grants increasing, demand for special seats increasing, demand for share of percentages increasing in all walks of Life. So the oppressed of yesteryears have turned the oprressors of today, but a generation with no fault of theirs is suffering.