Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Separating conjunction may cause psychological problems to the natives mind. Applying conjunction may cause confused mind but intelligent. 2008/7/16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Hare Rama krishna respected bhaskar ji Thanks for the puzzle apply aspects and seperating aspects are generaly part of Tajika astrology later adopted by western astrology ( i think so ) .And a variation frm traditional concepts tho traditional texts discuss like moon Hora and sun hora and results ( when the planet is in ) applying aspects genraly indicate a future event and seperation as a thing of past or hard to frutify events . Here sun is debited and if he is one karyesh ( indicater of results ) then it will b difficult ot hard to acheive also and also moon is combust .Again strenght of moon is imp in any chart wheter natal or prashna . seperating aspect also moon is just gaining the strenght and but its showing a seperation frm event unless other indicaters in chart support it . Now its upto u to disclose the puzzle . suppose Here Lagna as libra itself ,then moon is 10th L of profession who is combust and sun is 11th Lord of gains ,but indicaters of event together so we can rule out combust i feel .but again sun debilation will create some problems in fruitification. where as in seperating aspects the event is passed or denied with the same lagna . And more over indicaters together showing they r having some enmity in tajika scheme Now ur turn bhaskar ji . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > I came across a puzzle -> > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign? > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign? > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise their> minds.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Answer- 1) This combination indicates that the birth of the native is on Ashwin Krishna 30 Hindu deepawali. 2) This combination indicates that the Birth of the native is on Kartik Shukla Ekam Hindu New Year. The puzzle was about this. I thank Shri Sunilji and Shru Sumit bajajji who were also right in their views, from the predictive side. My intention was just to show that a small data can give a host of information. I myself could not answer this puzzle even from afar, in any way. Those well versed in the Hindu names of months, and tithi part, that is about the Panchang factors, could be able to solve this, but for me its near to impossible, if some one does not give me the clue. Well here in the above examples, the clues are- 1) Sun In Libra would remain only in a certain month and change its sign every 15th app. So one needs to check when the Sun is in Libra every year. This can be done through memory. 2) The Hindu months those who know by memory, can easily say this. 3) Next , applying conjunction of Moon ( As the faster moving Planet ) to the Sun, reveals Amavasya . 4) Those who know when Deepavali falls, its easy for them to immediaely connect. 5) Same rules for the other example, except here Moon has started moving away from the Sun who would remain in its place for one month, so its now Shukla Paksha or the beginning of the Bright half. Hope i have been able to explain properly. I am myself not knowing much about these ...... regards, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > I came across a puzzle -> > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign? > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign? > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise their> minds.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Dear Shri Sunil Nairji, Yes You are right. Tajik Nilkanthi or Varshaphala is nothing but the Solar Annual Chart what the Westerners are doing. regards, Bhaskar. , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare Rama krishna> respected bhaskar ji> > > > Thanks for the puzzle> > apply aspects and seperating aspects are generaly part of Tajika> astrology later adopted by western astrology ( i think so ) .And a> variation frm traditional concepts tho traditional texts discuss like> moon Hora and sun hora and results ( when the planet is in )> > applying aspects genraly indicate a future event and seperation as a> thing of past or hard to frutify events .> > > > Here sun is debited and if he is one karyesh ( indicater of results )> then it will b difficult ot hard to acheive also and also moon is> combust .Again strenght of moon is imp in any chart wheter natal or> prashna .> > seperating aspect also moon is just gaining the strenght and but its> showing a seperation frm event unless other indicaters in chart support> it .> > Now its upto u to disclose the puzzle .> > suppose Here Lagna as libra itself ,then moon is 10th L of profession> who is combust and sun is 11th Lord of gains ,but indicaters of event> together so we can rule out combust i feel .but again sun debilation> will create some problems in fruitification.> > where as in seperating aspects the event is passed or denied with the> same lagna .> > And more over indicaters together showing they r having some enmity in> tajika scheme> > > > Now ur turn bhaskar ji .> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > , "Bhaskar"> rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> >> > I came across a puzzle -> >> > What do these two combinations suggest ?> >> > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign?> > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> >> > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign?> > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> >> > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise> their> > minds.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 dear Neelamji. This combination will happen every year once. Because Sun goes to Libra once a year. Moon comes to met Him in Libra once a year. And naturally deepavali appears once a Year. When Moon meets The Sun at exact degrees then naturally Amavasya has to occur. regards, Bhaskar. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Baskar ji,> > Looks like the combination will fall on very special days. It is not that> you'll get these degrees every time sun is in libra.> > Thanks> Neelam> > 2008/7/16 sunil nair astro_tellerkerala:> > >> >> > Hare Rama krishna> > respected bhaskar ji> >> >> >> > Thanks for the puzzle> >> > apply aspects and seperating aspects are generaly part of Tajika astrology> > later adopted by western astrology ( i think so ) .And a variation frm> > traditional concepts tho traditional texts discuss like moon Hora and sun> > hora and results ( when the planet is in )> >> > applying aspects genraly indicate a future event and seperation as a thing> > of past or hard to frutify events .> >> >> >> > Here sun is debited and if he is one karyesh ( indicater of results ) then> > it will b difficult ot hard to acheive also and also moon is combust .Again> > strenght of moon is imp in any chart wheter natal or prashna .> >> > seperating aspect also moon is just gaining the strenght and but its> > showing a seperation frm event unless other indicaters in chart support it .> >> > Now its upto u to disclose the puzzle .> >> > suppose Here Lagna as libra itself ,then moon is 10th L of profession who> > is combust and sun is 11th Lord of gains ,but indicaters of event together> > so we can rule out combust i feel .but again sun debilation will create some> > problems in fruitification.> >> > where as in seperating aspects the event is passed or denied with the same> > lagna .> >> > And more over indicaters together showing they r having some enmity in> > tajika scheme> >> >> >> > Now ur turn bhaskar ji .> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I came across a puzzle -> > >> > > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > >> > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign?> > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > >> > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign?> > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > >> > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise their> > > minds.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji,I was talking about the specific degrees that you mentioned. Every year we cannot have sun-moon conjunction at 8-9 degrees.RegardsNeelam2008/7/16 Bhaskar <rajiventerprises: dear Neelamji. This combination will happen every year once. Because Sun goes to Libra once a year. Moon comes to met Him in Libra once a year. And naturally deepavali appears once a Year. When Moon meets The Sun at exact degrees then naturally Amavasya has to occur. regards, Bhaskar. , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:> > Dear Baskar ji,> > Looks like the combination will fall on very special days. It is not that> you'll get these degrees every time sun is in libra.> > Thanks> Neelam> > 2008/7/16 sunil nair astro_tellerkerala:> > >> >> > Hare Rama krishna> > respected bhaskar ji> >> > > >> > Thanks for the puzzle> >> > apply aspects and seperating aspects are generaly part of Tajika astrology> > later adopted by western astrology ( i think so ) .And a variation frm > > traditional concepts tho traditional texts discuss like moon Hora and sun> > hora and results ( when the planet is in )> >> > applying aspects genraly indicate a future event and seperation as a thing > > of past or hard to frutify events .> >> >> >> > Here sun is debited and if he is one karyesh ( indicater of results ) then> > it will b difficult ot hard to acheive also and also moon is combust .Again > > strenght of moon is imp in any chart wheter natal or prashna .> >> > seperating aspect also moon is just gaining the strenght and but its> > showing a seperation frm event unless other indicaters in chart support it . > >> > Now its upto u to disclose the puzzle .> >> > suppose Here Lagna as libra itself ,then moon is 10th L of profession who> > is combust and sun is 11th Lord of gains ,but indicaters of event together > > so we can rule out combust i feel .but again sun debilation will create some> > problems in fruitification.> >> > where as in seperating aspects the event is passed or denied with the same > > lagna .> >> > And more over indicaters together showing they r having some enmity in> > tajika scheme> >> >> >> > Now ur turn bhaskar ji . > >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> >> > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I came across a puzzle -> > >> > > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > >> > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign? > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > >> > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign?> > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > >> > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise their > > > minds.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Dear Neelamji, Just think, think and think. Sun will not move from its sign for one month, in this case Libra. Moon has to come to this sign once in a month You will agree, since it has to cover all signs every 2 1/2 days. So it has to meet the Sun in every sign mandatorily once a month. When it meets, then Amavasya has to occur. When it opposes, Poornima has to occur. Here the degrees in the example may not be important, but the closeness of the Sun and Moon strikes one to think what could be this ? That is important. But again if you can do this much for me, I would appreciate it. last 10 Years Deepavali what was the Suns degree on that day, if you could note and post us on the Group, it may reveal something. Bhaskar. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I was talking about the specific degrees that you mentioned. Every year we> cannot have sun-moon conjunction at 8-9 degrees.> > Regards> Neelam> > 2008/7/16 Bhaskar rajiventerprises:> > > dear Neelamji.> >> > This combination will happen every year once.> >> > Because Sun goes to Libra once a year. Moon comes to met Him in Libra once> > a year. And naturally deepavali appears once a Year. When Moon meets The Sun> > at exact degrees then naturally Amavasya has to occur.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Baskar ji,> > >> > > Looks like the combination will fall on very special days. It is not that> > > you'll get these degrees every time sun is in libra.> > >> > > Thanks> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2008/7/16 sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@:> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare Rama krishna> > > > respected bhaskar ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks for the puzzle> > > >> > > > apply aspects and seperating aspects are generaly part of Tajika> > astrology> > > > later adopted by western astrology ( i think so ) .And a variation frm> > > > traditional concepts tho traditional texts discuss like moon Hora and> > sun> > > > hora and results ( when the planet is in )> > > >> > > > applying aspects genraly indicate a future event and seperation as a> > thing> > > > of past or hard to frutify events .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Here sun is debited and if he is one karyesh ( indicater of results )> > then> > > > it will b difficult ot hard to acheive also and also moon is combust> > .Again> > > > strenght of moon is imp in any chart wheter natal or prashna .> > > >> > > > seperating aspect also moon is just gaining the strenght and but its> > > > showing a seperation frm event unless other indicaters in chart support> > it .> > > >> > > > Now its upto u to disclose the puzzle .> > > >> > > > suppose Here Lagna as libra itself ,then moon is 10th L of profession> > who> > > > is combust and sun is 11th Lord of gains ,but indicaters of event> > together> > > > so we can rule out combust i feel .but again sun debilation will create> > some> > > > problems in fruitification.> > > >> > > > where as in seperating aspects the event is passed or denied with the> > same> > > > lagna .> > > >> > > > And more over indicaters together showing they r having some enmity in> > > > tajika scheme> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Now ur turn bhaskar ji .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I came across a puzzle -> > > > >> > > > > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > > > >> > > > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign?> > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > > > >> > > > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign?> > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > > > >> > > > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise> > their> > > > > minds.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji,Will try to do that. Ephemeris will give the amavasya in libra. Of course we'll get some co-relation and cyclical movement, if observed for 10 years. I got stuck at 7-9 degrees and trying to locate the year when sun and moon were conjunct at 8-9 degrees in Libra. RegardsNeelam2008/7/16 Bhaskar <rajiventerprises: Dear Neelamji, Just think, think and think. Sun will not move from its sign for one month, in this case Libra. Moon has to come to this sign once in a month You will agree, since it has to cover all signs every 2 1/2 days. So it has to meet the Sun in every sign mandatorily once a month. When it meets, then Amavasya has to occur. When it opposes, Poornima has to occur. Here the degrees in the example may not be important, but the closeness of the Sun and Moon strikes one to think what could be this ? That is important. But again if you can do this much for me, I would appreciate it. last 10 Years Deepavali what was the Suns degree on that day, if you could note and post us on the Group, it may reveal something. Bhaskar. , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I was talking about the specific degrees that you mentioned. Every year we> cannot have sun-moon conjunction at 8-9 degrees.> > Regards > Neelam> > 2008/7/16 Bhaskar rajiventerprises:> > > dear Neelamji.> >> > This combination will happen every year once. > >> > Because Sun goes to Libra once a year. Moon comes to met Him in Libra once> > a year. And naturally deepavali appears once a Year. When Moon meets The Sun> > at exact degrees then naturally Amavasya has to occur. > >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > , " neelam gupta " > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Baskar ji,> > >> > > Looks like the combination will fall on very special days. It is not that> > > you'll get these degrees every time sun is in libra. > > >> > > Thanks> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2008/7/16 sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@:> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama krishna> > > > respected bhaskar ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks for the puzzle> > > > > > > > apply aspects and seperating aspects are generaly part of Tajika> > astrology> > > > later adopted by western astrology ( i think so ) .And a variation frm> > > > traditional concepts tho traditional texts discuss like moon Hora and > > sun> > > > hora and results ( when the planet is in )> > > >> > > > applying aspects genraly indicate a future event and seperation as a> > thing> > > > of past or hard to frutify events . > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Here sun is debited and if he is one karyesh ( indicater of results )> > then> > > > it will b difficult ot hard to acheive also and also moon is combust > > .Again> > > > strenght of moon is imp in any chart wheter natal or prashna .> > > >> > > > seperating aspect also moon is just gaining the strenght and but its > > > > showing a seperation frm event unless other indicaters in chart support> > it .> > > >> > > > Now its upto u to disclose the puzzle .> > > > > > > > suppose Here Lagna as libra itself ,then moon is 10th L of profession> > who> > > > is combust and sun is 11th Lord of gains ,but indicaters of event> > together > > > > so we can rule out combust i feel .but again sun debilation will create> > some> > > > problems in fruitification.> > > >> > > > where as in seperating aspects the event is passed or denied with the > > same> > > > lagna .> > > >> > > > And more over indicaters together showing they r having some enmity in> > > > tajika scheme> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Now ur turn bhaskar ji .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > >> > > >> > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I came across a puzzle -> > > > >> > > > > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > > > > > > > > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign?> > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > > > >> > > > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign? > > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > > > >> > > > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise> > their> > > > > minds. > > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Respected Bhaskarji, First, I am not learned like you. I am still a student. So you are most welcome to reply in whichever way you like, as you would reply to a student. I am always open to criticism. 1. Now the sun-moon yuti in tula is ok. It happens every year.But the exact degree of 8/7 yuti does not happen every year. Sun reaches 8deg in tula on Oct25 every year, but moon changes, so Diwali always varies. The said yuti of 8/7 degrees happened on Oct 25 1992 around 23.00 hrs, and I do not think anytime recently 2. The leaving of the aspect- the degrees in tula 8/9, this would still be the same day (vedic year). close to 4hrs on oct26, 1992 the sun changes to 9 deg while moon is 9/10, the tithi also changes to shukla pratipat. But the Sun-moon conjunction still continues. So is your question based on the degrees of the yuti? Because the yuti still continues and moon actually separates from sun only after she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, shukla dwitiya close to 15hrs. Kindly clarify, I thank you for giving me some food for thought Regards, bhagavathi , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Answer- > > 1) This combination indicates that the birth of the native is on Ashwin > Krishna 30 Hindu deepawali. > > 2) This combination indicates that the Birth of the native is on > Kartik Shukla Ekam Hindu New Year. > > The puzzle was about this. I thank Shri Sunilji and Shru Sumit bajajji > who were also right in their views, from the predictive side. > > My intention was just to show that a small data can give a host of > information. I myself could not answer this puzzle even from afar, in > any way. Those well versed in the Hindu names of months, and tithi > part, that is about the Panchang factors, could be able to solve this, > but for me its near to impossible, if some one does not give me the > clue. > > Well here in the above examples, the clues are- > > 1) Sun In Libra would remain only in a certain month and change its sign > every 15th app. So one needs to check when the Sun is in Libra every > year. This can be done through memory. > > 2) The Hindu months those who know by memory, can easily say this. > > 3) Next , applying conjunction of Moon ( As the faster moving Planet ) > to the Sun, reveals Amavasya . > > 4) Those who know when Deepavali falls, its easy for them to immediaely > connect. > > 5) Same rules for the other example, except here Moon has started moving > away from the Sun who would remain in its place for one month, so its > now Shukla Paksha or the beginning of the Bright half. > > Hope i have been able to explain properly. I am myself not knowing much > about these ...... > > regards, > > Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > I came across a puzzle - > > > > What do these two combinations suggest ? > > > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign? > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees > > > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign? > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees > > > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise > their > > minds. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Dear Bhagavathiji, Good. You are using your mind and excersising it. 1) The exact degree of 8/7 would not happen every year in Libra . This is right. That is also understood. 2) As soon as the conjunction starts seperating, the Pratipada would begin. Even if it moves few minutes ahead of the degrees of the Moon, pratipada is said to start beginning. In the Panchangs what is the configuration present in the morning time, that is written, but this may change during the day. My question was based on the Yuti arising due to the Degree part. Now you also wrote- //Because the > yuti still continues and moon actually separates from sun only after > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, shukla dwitiya > close to 15hrs. // I do not understand that if The Sun was at 9 degrees, and if you say that the yuti continues uptil Moons crossing 30 degrees, then do you mean that suppose Moon was at 29 degrees , You would consider a Seperating Orb of 20 degrees as Yuti still ? What would be your definition of a Yuti ? When does it begin ? and When does it end ? regards, Bhaskar. , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Respected Bhaskarji,> > First, I am not learned like you. I am still a student. So you are > most welcome to reply in whichever way you like, as you would reply > to a student. I am always open to criticism. > > 1. Now the sun-moon yuti in tula is ok. It happens every year.But the > exact degree of 8/7 yuti does not happen every year. Sun reaches 8deg > in tula on Oct25 every year, but moon changes, so Diwali> always varies. The said yuti of 8/7 degrees happened on Oct 25 1992> around 23.00 hrs, and I do not think anytime recently> > 2. The leaving of the aspect- the degrees in tula 8/9, this would > still be the same day (vedic year). close to 4hrs on oct26, 1992 the > sun changes to 9 deg while moon is 9/10, the tithi also changes to > shukla pratipat. But the Sun-moon conjunction still continues.> > So is your question based on the degrees of the yuti? Because the > yuti still continues and moon actually separates from sun only after > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, shukla dwitiya > close to 15hrs.> > > Kindly clarify, I thank you for giving me some food for thought> > Regards,> > bhagavathi> > > > , "Bhaskar" > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Answer-> > > > 1) This combination indicates that the birth of the native is on > Ashwin> > Krishna 30 Hindu deepawali.> > > > 2) This combination indicates that the Birth of the native is on > > Kartik Shukla Ekam Hindu New Year.> > > > The puzzle was about this. I thank Shri Sunilji and Shru Sumit > bajajji> > who were also right in their views, from the predictive side.> > > > My intention was just to show that a small data can give a host of> > information. I myself could not answer this puzzle even from afar, > in> > any way. Those well versed in the Hindu names of months, and tithi> > part, that is about the Panchang factors, could be able to solve > this,> > but for me its near to impossible, if some one does not give me the> > clue.> > > > Well here in the above examples, the clues are-> > > > 1) Sun In Libra would remain only in a certain month and change its > sign> > every 15th app. So one needs to check when the Sun is in Libra every> > year. This can be done through memory.> > > > 2) The Hindu months those who know by memory, can easily say this.> > > > 3) Next , applying conjunction of Moon ( As the faster moving > Planet )> > to the Sun, reveals Amavasya .> > > > 4) Those who know when Deepavali falls, its easy for them to > immediaely> > connect.> > > > 5) Same rules for the other example, except here Moon has started > moving> > away from the Sun who would remain in its place for one month, so > its> > now Shukla Paksha or the beginning of the Bright half.> > > > Hope i have been able to explain properly. I am myself not knowing > much> > about these ......> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > I came across a puzzle -> > >> > > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > >> > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign?> > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > >> > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign?> > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > >> > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise> > their> > > minds.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Dear Bhaskarji, Thank you for the nice and very clear explanation. About yuti On Oct 25, 1992- sun/moon = 8/7 @ 23hrs Even after shukla pratipat begins, the yuti continues till Oct26, 1992 about 20hrs, because sun and moon will be within 10degrees of each other and in the same constellation, Swati 9/19. So my understanding is yuti is uptil this point. After that moon moves to visakha, sun-moon still in the same rasi, continues till about 4hrs on Oct 27, when moon enters scorpio. I am eagerly awaiting your response Regards, bhagavathi , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear Bhagavathiji, > > Good. You are using your mind and excersising it. > > 1) The exact degree of 8/7 would not happen every year > in Libra . This is right. That is also understood. > > 2) As soon as the conjunction starts seperating, the Pratipada would > begin. Even if it moves few minutes ahead of the degrees of the Moon, > pratipada is said to start beginning. In the Panchangs what is the > configuration present in the morning time, that is written, but this may > change during the day. > > My question was based on the Yuti arising due to the Degree part. > > Now you also wrote- > > //Because the > yuti still continues and moon actually separates from > sun only after > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, > shukla dwitiya > close to 15hrs. // > > I do not understand that if The Sun was at 9 degrees, and if you say > that the yuti continues uptil Moons crossing 30 degrees, then do you > mean that suppose Moon was at 29 degrees , You would consider a > Seperating Orb of 20 degrees as Yuti still ? > > What would be your definition of a Yuti ? > When does it begin ? and When does it end ? > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > --- In , " bhagavathi_hariharan " > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhaskarji, > > > > First, I am not learned like you. I am still a student. So you are > > most welcome to reply in whichever way you like, as you would reply > > to a student. I am always open to criticism. > > > > 1. Now the sun-moon yuti in tula is ok. It happens every year.But the > > exact degree of 8/7 yuti does not happen every year. Sun reaches 8deg > > in tula on Oct25 every year, but moon changes, so Diwali > > always varies. The said yuti of 8/7 degrees happened on Oct 25 1992 > > around 23.00 hrs, and I do not think anytime recently > > > > 2. The leaving of the aspect- the degrees in tula 8/9, this would > > still be the same day (vedic year). close to 4hrs on oct26, 1992 the > > sun changes to 9 deg while moon is 9/10, the tithi also changes to > > shukla pratipat. But the Sun-moon conjunction still continues. > > > > So is your question based on the degrees of the yuti? Because the > > yuti still continues and moon actually separates from sun only after > > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, shukla dwitiya > > close to 15hrs. > > > > > > Kindly clarify, I thank you for giving me some food for thought > > > > Regards, > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Answer- > > > > > > 1) This combination indicates that the birth of the native is on > > Ashwin > > > Krishna 30 Hindu deepawali. > > > > > > 2) This combination indicates that the Birth of the native is on > > > Kartik Shukla Ekam Hindu New Year. > > > > > > The puzzle was about this. I thank Shri Sunilji and Shru Sumit > > bajajji > > > who were also right in their views, from the predictive side. > > > > > > My intention was just to show that a small data can give a host of > > > information. I myself could not answer this puzzle even from afar, > > in > > > any way. Those well versed in the Hindu names of months, and tithi > > > part, that is about the Panchang factors, could be able to solve > > this, > > > but for me its near to impossible, if some one does not give me the > > > clue. > > > > > > Well here in the above examples, the clues are- > > > > > > 1) Sun In Libra would remain only in a certain month and change its > > sign > > > every 15th app. So one needs to check when the Sun is in Libra every > > > year. This can be done through memory. > > > > > > 2) The Hindu months those who know by memory, can easily say this. > > > > > > 3) Next , applying conjunction of Moon ( As the faster moving > > Planet ) > > > to the Sun, reveals Amavasya . > > > > > > 4) Those who know when Deepavali falls, its easy for them to > > immediaely > > > connect. > > > > > > 5) Same rules for the other example, except here Moon has started > > moving > > > away from the Sun who would remain in its place for one month, so > > its > > > now Shukla Paksha or the beginning of the Bright half. > > > > > > Hope i have been able to explain properly. I am myself not knowing > > much > > > about these ...... > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across a puzzle - > > > > > > > > What do these two combinations suggest ? > > > > > > > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign? > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees > > > > > > > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign? > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees > > > > > > > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can excersise > > > their > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Dear Bhagvathiji, Yuti orbs what must be the consideration - is a personal matter. But when we are talking of Amavasya yuti, then it cannot be termed as Amavasya if the Yuti is 10 degrees apart. No way. 10 feet away, if the couple sleeps throughout their Life, then no child cometh from this Marriage couple. How can you call a Yuti 10 degrees apart as Amavasya ? How can You call it a Amavasya when 10 windows are open for the Sun to shine in its Light ? Amavasya Yuti has to be strictly on the same degrees. If we consider 10 degrees difference as Yuti, then Amavasya would remain till the moon crosses to the 11th degree. is this possible ? No not. Moon being in the same Rasi does not constitute Yuti in the strictest sense. It may be 29 degrees apart from the Sun. I would not consider it as a aYuti if I am a good astrologer. And for that matter even two planets in two different signs would be in Yuti, if they are just 4 degrees apart on each side of the border of the rasis. best wishes, Bhaskar. , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > Thank you for the nice and very clear explanation. > > About yuti> > On Oct 25, 1992- sun/moon = 8/7 @ 23hrs> > Even after shukla pratipat begins, the yuti continues till Oct26, > 1992 about 20hrs, because sun and moon will be within 10degrees of > each other and in the same constellation, Swati 9/19. So my > understanding is yuti is uptil this point. > > After that moon moves to visakha, sun-moon still in the same rasi, > continues till about 4hrs on Oct 27, when moon enters scorpio. I am > eagerly awaiting your response> > Regards,> > bhagavathi> > > , "Bhaskar" > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Bhagavathiji,> > > > Good. You are using your mind and excersising it.> > > > 1) The exact degree of 8/7 would not happen every year> > in Libra . This is right. That is also understood.> > > > 2) As soon as the conjunction starts seperating, the Pratipada would> > begin. Even if it moves few minutes ahead of the degrees of the > Moon,> > pratipada is said to start beginning. In the Panchangs what is the> > configuration present in the morning time, that is written, but > this may> > change during the day.> > > > My question was based on the Yuti arising due to the Degree part.> > > > Now you also wrote-> > > > //Because the > yuti still continues and moon actually separates > from> > sun only after > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct > 27,> > shukla dwitiya > close to 15hrs. //> > > > I do not understand that if The Sun was at 9 degrees, and if you say> > that the yuti continues uptil Moons crossing 30 degrees, then do you> > mean that suppose Moon was at 29 degrees , You would consider a> > Seperating Orb of 20 degrees as Yuti still ?> > > > What would be your definition of a Yuti ?> > When does it begin ? and When does it end ?> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhagavathi_hariharan"> > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Bhaskarji,> > >> > > First, I am not learned like you. I am still a student. So you are> > > most welcome to reply in whichever way you like, as you would > reply> > > to a student. I am always open to criticism.> > >> > > 1. Now the sun-moon yuti in tula is ok. It happens every year.But > the> > > exact degree of 8/7 yuti does not happen every year. Sun reaches > 8deg> > > in tula on Oct25 every year, but moon changes, so Diwali> > > always varies. The said yuti of 8/7 degrees happened on Oct 25 > 1992> > > around 23.00 hrs, and I do not think anytime recently> > >> > > 2. The leaving of the aspect- the degrees in tula 8/9, this would> > > still be the same day (vedic year). close to 4hrs on oct26, 1992 > the> > > sun changes to 9 deg while moon is 9/10, the tithi also changes to> > > shukla pratipat. But the Sun-moon conjunction still continues.> > >> > > So is your question based on the degrees of the yuti? Because the> > > yuti still continues and moon actually separates from sun only > after> > > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, shukla > dwitiya> > > close to 15hrs.> > >> > >> > > Kindly clarify, I thank you for giving me some food for thought> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > bhagavathi> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Answer-> > > >> > > > 1) This combination indicates that the birth of the native is on> > > Ashwin> > > > Krishna 30 Hindu deepawali.> > > >> > > > 2) This combination indicates that the Birth of the native is on> > > > Kartik Shukla Ekam Hindu New Year.> > > >> > > > The puzzle was about this. I thank Shri Sunilji and Shru Sumit> > > bajajji> > > > who were also right in their views, from the predictive side.> > > >> > > > My intention was just to show that a small data can give a host > of> > > > information. I myself could not answer this puzzle even from > afar,> > > in> > > > any way. Those well versed in the Hindu names of months, and > tithi> > > > part, that is about the Panchang factors, could be able to solve> > > this,> > > > but for me its near to impossible, if some one does not give me > the> > > > clue.> > > >> > > > Well here in the above examples, the clues are-> > > >> > > > 1) Sun In Libra would remain only in a certain month and change > its> > > sign> > > > every 15th app. So one needs to check when the Sun is in Libra > every> > > > year. This can be done through memory.> > > >> > > > 2) The Hindu months those who know by memory, can easily say > this.> > > >> > > > 3) Next , applying conjunction of Moon ( As the faster moving> > > Planet )> > > > to the Sun, reveals Amavasya .> > > >> > > > 4) Those who know when Deepavali falls, its easy for them to> > > immediaely> > > > connect.> > > >> > > > 5) Same rules for the other example, except here Moon has > started> > > moving> > > > away from the Sun who would remain in its place for one month, > so> > > its> > > > now Shukla Paksha or the beginning of the Bright half.> > > >> > > > Hope i have been able to explain properly. I am myself not > knowing> > > much> > > > about these ......> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I came across a puzzle -> > > > >> > > > > What do these two combinations suggest ?> > > > >> > > > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign?> > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees> > > > >> > > > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign?> > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees> > > > >> > > > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can > excersise> > > > their> > > > > minds.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Resp Bhaskarji, Thank you so much. yes, I agree completely on the amavasya yuti concept. I could not have understood this so easily but for your clear explanation. Looking forward to many such educative posts Regds, bhagavathi , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote: > > > Dear Bhagvathiji, > > Yuti orbs what must be the consideration - is a personal matter. > > But when we are talking of Amavasya yuti, then it cannot be termed as > Amavasya if the Yuti is 10 degrees apart. No way. > > 10 feet away, if the couple sleeps throughout their Life, then no child > cometh from this Marriage couple. > > How can you call a Yuti 10 degrees apart as Amavasya ? How can You call > it a Amavasya when 10 windows are open for the Sun to shine in its Light > ? > > Amavasya Yuti has to be strictly on the same degrees. If we consider 10 > degrees difference as Yuti, then Amavasya would remain till the moon > crosses to the 11th degree. is this possible ? No not. > > Moon being in the same Rasi does not constitute Yuti in the strictest > sense. It may be 29 degrees apart from the Sun. I would not consider > it as a aYuti if I am a good astrologer. > > And for that matter even two planets in two different signs would be in > Yuti, if they are just 4 degrees apart on each side of the border of the > rasis. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > --- In , " bhagavathi_hariharan " > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Thank you for the nice and very clear explanation. > > > > About yuti > > > > On Oct 25, 1992- sun/moon = 8/7 @ 23hrs > > > > Even after shukla pratipat begins, the yuti continues till Oct26, > > 1992 about 20hrs, because sun and moon will be within 10degrees of > > each other and in the same constellation, Swati 9/19. So my > > understanding is yuti is uptil this point. > > > > After that moon moves to visakha, sun-moon still in the same rasi, > > continues till about 4hrs on Oct 27, when moon enters scorpio. I am > > eagerly awaiting your response > > > > Regards, > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhagavathiji, > > > > > > Good. You are using your mind and excersising it. > > > > > > 1) The exact degree of 8/7 would not happen every year > > > in Libra . This is right. That is also understood. > > > > > > 2) As soon as the conjunction starts seperating, the Pratipada would > > > begin. Even if it moves few minutes ahead of the degrees of the > > Moon, > > > pratipada is said to start beginning. In the Panchangs what is the > > > configuration present in the morning time, that is written, but > > this may > > > change during the day. > > > > > > My question was based on the Yuti arising due to the Degree part. > > > > > > Now you also wrote- > > > > > > //Because the > yuti still continues and moon actually separates > > from > > > sun only after > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct > > 27, > > > shukla dwitiya > close to 15hrs. // > > > > > > I do not understand that if The Sun was at 9 degrees, and if you say > > > that the yuti continues uptil Moons crossing 30 degrees, then do you > > > mean that suppose Moon was at 29 degrees , You would consider a > > > Seperating Orb of 20 degrees as Yuti still ? > > > > > > What would be your definition of a Yuti ? > > > When does it begin ? and When does it end ? > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " bhagavathi_hariharan " > > > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > First, I am not learned like you. I am still a student. So you are > > > > most welcome to reply in whichever way you like, as you would > > reply > > > > to a student. I am always open to criticism. > > > > > > > > 1. Now the sun-moon yuti in tula is ok. It happens every year.But > > the > > > > exact degree of 8/7 yuti does not happen every year. Sun reaches > > 8deg > > > > in tula on Oct25 every year, but moon changes, so Diwali > > > > always varies. The said yuti of 8/7 degrees happened on Oct 25 > > 1992 > > > > around 23.00 hrs, and I do not think anytime recently > > > > > > > > 2. The leaving of the aspect- the degrees in tula 8/9, this would > > > > still be the same day (vedic year). close to 4hrs on oct26, 1992 > > the > > > > sun changes to 9 deg while moon is 9/10, the tithi also changes to > > > > shukla pratipat. But the Sun-moon conjunction still continues. > > > > > > > > So is your question based on the degrees of the yuti? Because the > > > > yuti still continues and moon actually separates from sun only > > after > > > > she completes a full 30 deg, which would be on Oct 27, shukla > > dwitiya > > > > close to 15hrs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify, I thank you for giving me some food for thought > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > rajiventerprises@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answer- > > > > > > > > > > 1) This combination indicates that the birth of the native is on > > > > Ashwin > > > > > Krishna 30 Hindu deepawali. > > > > > > > > > > 2) This combination indicates that the Birth of the native is on > > > > > Kartik Shukla Ekam Hindu New Year. > > > > > > > > > > The puzzle was about this. I thank Shri Sunilji and Shru Sumit > > > > bajajji > > > > > who were also right in their views, from the predictive side. > > > > > > > > > > My intention was just to show that a small data can give a host > > of > > > > > information. I myself could not answer this puzzle even from > > afar, > > > > in > > > > > any way. Those well versed in the Hindu names of months, and > > tithi > > > > > part, that is about the Panchang factors, could be able to solve > > > > this, > > > > > but for me its near to impossible, if some one does not give me > > the > > > > > clue. > > > > > > > > > > Well here in the above examples, the clues are- > > > > > > > > > > 1) Sun In Libra would remain only in a certain month and change > > its > > > > sign > > > > > every 15th app. So one needs to check when the Sun is in Libra > > every > > > > > year. This can be done through memory. > > > > > > > > > > 2) The Hindu months those who know by memory, can easily say > > this. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Next , applying conjunction of Moon ( As the faster moving > > > > Planet ) > > > > > to the Sun, reveals Amavasya . > > > > > > > > > > 4) Those who know when Deepavali falls, its easy for them to > > > > immediaely > > > > > connect. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Same rules for the other example, except here Moon has > > started > > > > moving > > > > > away from the Sun who would remain in its place for one month, > > so > > > > its > > > > > now Shukla Paksha or the beginning of the Bright half. > > > > > > > > > > Hope i have been able to explain properly. I am myself not > > knowing > > > > much > > > > > about these ...... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across a puzzle - > > > > > > > > > > > > What do these two combinations suggest ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Sun and Moon Applying conjunction in Nirayana Libra sign? > > > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 7 Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sun and Moon Seperating conjunction in Nirayana Libra Sign? > > > > > > Sun 8 Degrees Moon 9 Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > I will answer tonight. In the meanwhile the members can > > excersise > > > > > their > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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