Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Dear Renu ji, We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into Buddhism (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great example to follow. Yes, we love to believe so - because that fits in with our mental picture, that is what we want to believe; especially if we are into Buddhist religion. But this may not be the truth, there is a possibility that it could be exactly otherwise, when looked in a different perspective, in the light of facts/info available. * Asoka FORCEFULLY CONVERTED even the Greeks to Buddhist religion in an effort to spread Buddhism. * He NEVER became a Buddhist Monk * He NEVER dropped the weapon and stopped using force EVEN AFTER started adoring Buddhism. He used force throughout him ruling period when ever required, if the peaceful approach was not enough, even after started adoring Buddhist religion. * He was a Non-vegetarian even after the thought to have Buddhist adoption (This point I need to cross verify) * Asoka’s spirituality was a spiritual WAR against the Jain (followed by his forefathers) and Brahmanic religions Of course it is true that the rule of Asoka helped the spreading not only the Buddhist and Jain religions; and later caused/invited their destruction and mass murder of Buddhist monks due to the strong revolt/retort of the Brahmanic religion after the period of Asoka (during the period of Sunga and Gupta kingdoms). Remember the Buddhist monks who plough the fields with ropes drilled through their nostrils like Oxes as described in Mudra Rakshasam of Gupta period. There was no ideal situation - no certainly not in the case of Askoka; everything was turbulent; his life and deeds; He never became a Buddha/ Buddhist who was mentally settled; one who was in peace with himself. He was a king and remained a king and never ever became a monk; because he was never that. He was a warrior, and fought throughout in life; even in his spirituality. For him even spirituality was a violent affair; this is the current picture I have. The one who won and one who failed have separate history; for the people who adopt separate religions their religions and religious leaders/propagators won always, where ideal always. Thus history differs from place to place, community to community! This is true for Hindus, this is true for Christians, this is true for Buddhists, this is true for Muslims, this true for us all! There is no true history; history is a sinfull affair of lying! Those win lie, those who adopt one path lie, not willingly; that is what we wish and adore.... that is what we are taught...that is what ideal situations and wishful limelight stories tell us.... That is how things are... always turbulent...always providing the wrong vision....blurred...it is so...and will remain so..... Every thing is a lie..may be what I said too.... But the only truth we should understand and learn is .... "Since history is so, since lif is so, it is better to be skeptical... it is better to be skeptical than becoming believers....because when we believe and not trust...when we believe and don't wish to question, we will start fighting...fighting anything that comes against our wishful thinking.....our dream stories....." So let be skeptical, of what I said and what you said.... a skeptic is better armed...one who doubts and asks questions has a better chance to know the truth...reach closer to truth... Regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > 'It seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war> than peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence. "> > Asoka embraced Buddhism after realizing the futility of war. He> conquered land but he was not happy. He became the greatest emperor at> that time yet he was not happy. How could he when he had committed mass> murder in the name of war. The bloody battlefields with thousand corpses> of innocent people made him feel defeated and not victorious. Then he> met this young Buddhist monk, was inspired by his preaching and embraced> Buddhism. Afterwards he spread Buddhism all over Asia, and as a special> gesture of respect and friendship sent his own son, Arahat Mahinda with> the message of Buddhsim to Sri Lanka. There was no war involved in> spreading. Arahat Mahinda, first approached then King of Sri Lanka,> Devanampiyatissa, and made him understand the message of Buddhism. Later> Emperor Ashoka sent his daughter Sangamitta with the sacred bo sapling> to Sri Lanka. He realized that only Dhamma could make one victorious and> not war. In simple words, he faught to conquer kingdoms, it did not> bring him happiness, then embraced Buddhism and spread it all over> peacefully.> > Buddhism is not a religion to be spread as such. It is a philosophy,> which can be embraced by anyone at anytime if he /she has wisdom to do> so. Hence there is no necessity to wage war to spreac Buddhism. Lord> Buddha did not force to convert anyone to become a Buddhist. He preached> his dhamma and those who thought it was the right path, chose to follow> it.> > No king would wage war to spread Buddhism. Buddhism speaks of compassion> and not of hatred. Whether people who call themselves Buddhists,> pracitse it or not is a different matter. But the message in Buddhism is> peace, compassion, universal love and finally detachment from all> worldly cravings.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > We cannot drop Osho. Once we start listening to him, then he is a> > pain in the neck for life!! That is what is special about him. But> > there is no such problem of seeking enlightenment associated with> > Chanakya. Even Chandragupta Maurya dropped Chanakya & Vishnugupta> and> > followed the Jain sage Bhadrabahu to travel to south (to Karnataka)> > living everything behind.> > Chandragupta Maurya was a Jain king; but his famous decendent Asoka> > is thought to have converted to Buddhist religion. Ujjain (Malva> > Kingdom) and Kalinga was Jain kingdoms at that time; Asoka destroyed> > them both; killed numerous Jains; then popularized Buddhist religion> (In> > an effort to conqur the Jains at least in the name of spirituality?)> It> > seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war than> > peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence.> > By the way, Osho is an individual born in Jain religion, but who> > adored the spell-bound beauty of Buddha (and not the Buddhist> religion).> > Vishnugupta was the author of the 2nd authentic ancient text we have> to> > know about this good old period in India's past, i.e. Arthasasta. (The> > 1st being Kamasutra of Valtyayana). We can also remember that Chankya> > is the author of Chanakya Sutra and lived BEFORE Vishnugupta. Vishnu> > gupta is the scholar politician who wrote Arthasastra and lived during> > the period of Chandragupta Maurya as well evident in Arthasastra> > (Chandakya, Kautilya and Vishnugupta are different individuals).> > Life is trubulant; history at any period is not different; the same> > social forces, similar vims and fancies takes the center stage; the> > names that will be remembers WILL NOT BE the names the thought to be> > famous names for the moment, but the subtle beauties.....Life is like> > that. Chanakya is strong like a tempest...but Osho is the subtle wind> > that persists throughout the ages....We cannot drop him - it is> > impossible!> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear Jaya ji,==>> What more he needed to be > great as an emperor than superiority over a vast land and prosperous > kingdom? I don't see any place for an ulterior motive for his > embrace to Buddhism other than the guilt he must have felt. <== Yes, that could be one reason; but of course there could be other reasons as well. Human psyche is not that simple.... Please note that Ashoka NEVER become Buddhist monk dropping all the wealth and position similar to Buddha; but instead he simply become affectionate towards philosophy of Buddhism and started propagating it WHILE REMAINING a king. Please note that a king cannot remain to be a king without the exertion of FORCE/POWER when ever required. There are numerous evidence in Asoka's rock edicts etc which points to the fact that Asoka's understanding about Buddhist religion was very little and almost of a layman's type. Thus in essence Asoka never 'followed' Buddhism, but only was a well wisher of Buddhist religion.==>> What makes his actions different from that of his grand father > Chandra Gupta Maurya other than the fact that he embraced Jainism > instead of Buddhism? <== Maurya started from low level as a poor man, climbed the power ladder up to became an emperor due to his own and Vishnu Gupta's wisdom and courage. When he became fascinated by Jainism he left everything behind to become a Jain Monk; He was truly spiritual. Asoka was born as a King, of course he fought many wars and expanded the empire that he was already having, when be became fascinated by Buddhism he neither left everything nor became a monk; his spirituality was just a fascination, a war to win the world in the name of spirituality; a war against the weakness he felt within himself. His spirituality is based on the falsehood of his own being. Asoka was to Buddhism similar to King Constantinople to Christianity. Power is used to PROPOGATE the religion; to CONVERT people. Why the people should get converted from one religion to other? That too simple people who believes in natural gods, who fears everything unknown? As usual the only answer could be - for the rewards, for the benefits, to follow the powerful and so on. If not Christianity is not a bribe (due to the economic benefits involved etc) and if not the other religion which they belong to cause suppression of normal human rights (E.g. Hinduism to SC/ST etc), which Hindu will get converted himself to Christianity or any other religion ? The other similar factor that drives mach conversion is POWER; forceful conversion of masses; as done by Muslims in this country and others many times. Humanity was always the same. So it can not be otherwise in the case of Buddhism as well. Which of these three was the driving force? Or is it that all of them acted together under the guidance of Asoka? The forces - economic benefits of becoming a Buddhist, the pride of following the powerful, an escape from the suppression caused by Hinduism, forceful conversion of people of other religions to Buddhism. Apart from the last one in the list i.e. 'forceful conversion' none other in the above list can cause a total conversion of all the people in some country to adopt some new religion. The force could be physical, social or psychological. This a truth, a fact, a psychological reality - Buddha is great, so as his words; the greater he became less and less number of people will understand him; less and less number of people will follow him or get converted to his religion. The strength of ideas/ideals is NOT the driving force for mass religious conversions. But Power. This is the truth of the world – which cannot be possibly the other way round in the case of propagation of Buddhist Religion as well....==>> I am sure you have relied on some reliable source to make that > comment, please let it out.<== Search some good books on History like the 'Wonder that was India' by Bashem or read through the edicts of Asoka, or refer to some objective opinions (i.e. usually people other than Buddhists and India Fanatics who talk about history) - you may get some glimpse of this other perspective; which only discards the 'too much idealizing and simplifying of history and scenarios' Love and Regards,Sreeandh --- On Tue, 7/15/08, revati_n27 <revati_n27 wrote: revati_n27 <revati_n27 Re: Fwd: Chanakya Quotes/Ashoka/Buddha Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:56 AM Dear Renuji and Sreenadhji:As per what I have learned in history about two decades ago, Ashoka is considered as the greatest Emperor in the history. The inclusion of Ashoka Chakra in the Indian National Flag itself conveys the message. Sorry Sreenadhji, I cannot find logic behind your comment that "But this may not be the truth, there is a possibility that it could be exactly otherwise, when looked in a different perspective, in the light of facts/info available". What more he needed to be great as an emperor than superiority over a vast land and prosperous kingdom? I don't see any place for an ulterior motive for his embrace to Buddhism other than the guilt he must have felt. What makes his actions different from that of his grand father Chandra Gupta Maurya other than the fact that he embraced Jainism instead of Buddhism? Can't we look at it in a different way as well that he had other intentions for converting from Hinduism to Jainism? I am sure you have relied on some reliable source to make that comment, please let it out.Jayaancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > As always I like the way you put up your arguments.> > 'We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after> realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into Buddhism> (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great example> to follow. "> > You make it sound like a fairytale... .....and everybody lived happy ever> after.> > History is history. Neither you nor I can tell what happened and what> not happened. May be I was too sure about my history lesson. In fact> we learnt all these under 'Introduction of Buddhism to Sri Lanka'. Your> history may tell a totally different story. You revealed so many things> that I was not aware of....thanks. Of course this doesn't mean that I> accept every word of it. This is proof enough that history is> manipulated as to the needs of the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need> to look at these things skeptically.> > Whatever the history books fantasize, the Dhamma taught by Buddha is> valid even today. No one can deny that. I hope you agree with me as to> this. One need not have to be a Buddhist by birth to accept it.> > Thanks again for the nice write-up.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> <sreesog@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > We love to believe that a great king changed, dropped war after> > realizing its futility, embraced peace, initiated himself into> Buddhism> > (may be even becoming a Buddhist monk) - and it is all a great example> > to follow. Yes, we love to believe so - because that fits in with our> > mental picture, that is what we want to believe; especially if we are> > into Buddhist religion.> > But this may not be the truth, there is a possibility that it could> > be exactly otherwise, when looked in a different perspective, in the> > light of facts/info available.> > * Asoka FORCEFULLY CONVERTED even the Greeks to Buddhist religion in> > an effort to spread Buddhism.> > * He NEVER became a Buddhist Monk> > * He NEVER dropped the weapon and stopped using force EVEN AFTER> > started adoring Buddhism. He used force throughout him ruling period> > when ever required, if the peaceful approach was not enough, even> after> > started adoring Buddhist religion.> > * He was a Non-vegetarian even after the thought to have Buddhist> > adoption (This point I need to cross verify)> > * Asoka’s spirituality was a spiritual WAR against the Jain> > (followed by his forefathers) and Brahmanic religions> >> > Of course it is true that the rule of Asoka helped the spreading not> > only the Buddhist and Jain religions; and later caused/invited their> > destruction and mass murder of Buddhist monks due to the strong> > revolt/retort of the Brahmanic religion after the period of Asoka> > (during the period of Sunga and Gupta kingdoms). Remember the Buddhist> > monks who plough the fields with ropes drilled through their nostrils> > like Oxes as described in Mudra Rakshasam of Gupta period.> >> > There was no ideal situation - no certainly not in the case of> > Askoka; everything was turbulent; his life and deeds; He never became> a> > Buddha/ Buddhist who was mentally settled; one who was in peace with> > himself. He was a king and remained a king and never ever became a> > monk; because he was never that. He was a warrior, and fought> throughout> > in life; even in his spirituality. For him even spirituality was a> > violent affair; this is the current picture I have.> > The one who won and one who failed have separate history; for the> > people who adopt separate religions their religions and religious> > leaders/propagators won always, where ideal always. Thus history> differs> > from place to place, community to community! This is true for Hindus,> > this is true for Christians, this is true for Buddhists, this is true> > for Muslims, this true for us all! There is no true history; history> is> > a sinfull affair of lying! Those win lie, those who adopt one path> lie,> > not willingly; that is what we wish and adore.... that is what we are> > taught...that is what ideal situations and wishful limelight stories> > tell us.... That is how things are... always turbulent... always> > providing the wrong vision....blurred. ..it is so...and will remain> > so..... Every thing is a lie..may be what I said too.... But the only> > truth we should understand and learn is .... "Since history is so,> since> > lif is so, it is better to be skeptical... it is better to be> skeptical> > than becoming believers... .because when we believe and not> trust...when> > we believe and don't wish to question, we will start> fighting...fighting> > anything that comes against our wishful thinking.... .our dream> > stories..... " So let be skeptical, of what I said and what you> said....> > a skeptic is better armed...one who doubts and asks questions has a> > better chance to know the truth...reach closer to truth...> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > 'It seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war> > > than peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence. "> > >> > > Asoka embraced Buddhism after realizing the futility of war. He> > > conquered land but he was not happy. He became the greatest emperor> at> > > that time yet he was not happy. How could he when he had committed> > mass> > > murder in the name of war. The bloody battlefields with thousand> > corpses> > > of innocent people made him feel defeated and not victorious. Then> he> > > met this young Buddhist monk, was inspired by his preaching and> > embraced> > > Buddhism. Afterwards he spread Buddhism all over Asia, and as a> > special> > > gesture of respect and friendship sent his own son, Arahat Mahinda> > with> > > the message of Buddhsim to Sri Lanka. There was no war involved in> > > spreading. Arahat Mahinda, first approached then King of Sri Lanka,> > > Devanampiyatissa, and made him understand the message of Buddhism.> > Later> > > Emperor Ashoka sent his daughter Sangamitta with the sacred bo> sapling> > > to Sri Lanka. He realized that only Dhamma could make one victorious> > and> > > not war. In simple words, he faught to conquer kingdoms, it did not> > > bring him happiness, then embraced Buddhism and spread it all over> > > peacefully.> > >> > > Buddhism is not a religion to be spread as such. It is a philosophy,> > > which can be embraced by anyone at anytime if he /she has wisdom to> do> > > so. Hence there is no necessity to wage war to spreac Buddhism. Lord> > > Buddha did not force to convert anyone to become a Buddhist. He> > preached> > > his dhamma and those who thought it was the right path, chose to> > follow> > > it.> > >> > > No king would wage war to spread Buddhism. Buddhism speaks of> > compassion> > > and not of hatred. Whether people who call themselves Buddhists,> > > pracitse it or not is a different matter. But the message in> Buddhism> > is> > > peace, compassion, universal love and finally detachment from all> > > worldly cravings.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > We cannot drop Osho. Once we start listening to him, then he is a> > > > pain in the neck for life!! That is what is special about him. > > But> > > > there is no such problem of seeking enlightenment associated with> > > > Chanakya. Even Chandragupta Maurya dropped Chanakya & > Vishnugupta> > > and> > > > followed the Jain sage Bhadrabahu to travel to south (to> Karnataka)> > > > living everything behind.> > > > Chandragupta Maurya was a Jain king; but his famous decendent> Asoka> > > > is thought to have converted to Buddhist religion. Ujjain (Malva> > > > Kingdom) and Kalinga was Jain kingdoms at that time; Asoka> destroyed> > > > them both; killed numerous Jains; then popularized Buddhist> religion> > > (In> > > > an effort to conqur the Jains at least in the name of> spirituality? )> > > It> > > > seems that Asokas Buddhist religion adoption/promotion was a war> > than> > > > peace. It seems to be violence rather than non-violence.> > > > By the way, Osho is an individual born in Jain religion, but who> > > > adored the spell-bound beauty of Buddha (and not the Buddhist> > > religion).> > > > Vishnugupta was the author of the 2nd authentic ancient text we> have> > > to> > > > know about this good old period in India's past, i.e. Arthasasta.> > (The> > > > 1st being Kamasutra of Valtyayana). We can also remember that> > Chankya> > > > is the author of Chanakya Sutra and lived BEFORE Vishnugupta.> Vishnu> > > > gupta is the scholar politician who wrote Arthasastra and lived> > during> > > > the period of Chandragupta Maurya as well evident in Arthasastra> > > > (Chandakya, Kautilya and Vishnugupta are different individuals) .> > > > Life is trubulant; history at any period is not different; the> same> > > > social forces, similar vims and fancies takes the center stage;> the> > > > names that will be remembers WILL NOT BE the names the thought to> be> > > > famous names for the moment, but the subtle beauties.... .Life is> > like> > > > that. Chanakya is strong like a tempest...but Osho is the subtle> > wind> > > > that persists throughout the ages....We cannot drop him - it is> > > > impossible!> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > >> >> .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear Renu ji,==>> The point is unlike other religions none cannot force Hinduism/Buddhism into someone's > head. It is something deep that each individual should understand & experience by > him/herself. Hence, waging war to spread these two religions is a baseless talk.<== Well said - but can we be sure that it is the case? Do we have our data/facts/info in place? Can we be sure that no Hindu king waged wars to spread his religion/belief or at least during wars tried to spread his/her religion/belief as well? Can we be sure that spread of Buddhism was a total peaceful affair? Please also not that wars could have many levels - Physical or Psychological. In any community were castism is strong, young ones won't dare to marry from outside the caste - do you believe that fear of physical assault is the only reason for doing so? How my life would be as a non-vegetarian in a community full of vegetarians? How my life would be as a vegetarian in a community of non-vegetarians? How much I could continue to be a poor Hindu if special social and economic benefits are awarded to a Christian, and I have the opportunity to change my religion and avail the same? In all these situations, it is POWER that is in action; it is war that is happening - visible or invisible..... It cannot be otherwise whether the religion be Buddhism, Jainism, Sophism, Paganism, or any other religion in the world. Religion is of the mass - and the mass never have a mind, never have a soul, nor humanity. It is just hysteria, it is force, it believes in power - that too the power that flows from top, the power of the machinery, the organization, the institution - called religion! Unlike common belief - Religion is ALWAYS forced into someone's head; it is NOT natural!! Spirituality is natural, unique and cannot be forced, but usually religion is always forced into someone's head either in the childhood or later. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Prashant Kumar ji,> > 'the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.> > in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent> were> less blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their> might> for that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but for> some> big empires in short intervals."> > > Exactly. The point is unlike other religions none cannot force> Hinduism/Buddhism into someone's head. It is somethng deep that each> individual should understand & experience by him/herself. Hence, waging> war to spread these two religions is a baseless talk.> > Well, I am not sure whether the Americans are different from the British> or the Communists. The West is West ...they are here to steal our riches> and destroy our values.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > , "astro desk"> astro.prashantkumar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu> >> > //... This is proof enough that history is manipulated as to the needs> of> > the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need to look at these things> > skeptically....///> > this is a very valid point as we have a systematic destruction,> coloring by> > every ruler> >> > there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before> christian> > era left standing by the crusaders-doesn't mean there were no ethnic,> tribal> > or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing> existed> > by such acts. same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America> the> > Mayan civilisation brone the brunt.> >> > the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.> >> > in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent> were> > less blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their> might> > for that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but> for some> > big empires in short intervals> >> > else how could over 640 kingdoms merge into the Indian union post> > Independence.?> >> > now the communists have taken to doctoring history, glorifying all the> > invaders and tarnishing the image of all local religions, even to this> day> > want to worry on a dead communism, who want India to buy rusted, worn> out> > weaponry from communis countries, where as our rivals, tormentors can> get> > best from anywhere be it USA, or Israel and energy from our tormentors> esp> > that pases Pak who can cut off supplies at will or the line benefits> china> > more than us. when Nuke power we devloped will suddwe from no more> fuel> > supplies if they have their way, and industries, cities, agriculute,> > industry will suffer with ever growing energy demands.poor pouplation> makes> > them rich.> >> >> > All our energy requirements r dictated by a dead , decayed leftist> mind set> > from a perverted version of history they have forced it on us.> rewriting> > history to suit their agenda.> >> > we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own> thinking> > as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British to divide and> rules> > us, time to have some professionals do it than a agenda based ones.> >> > Best wishes> >> > Prashant kumar> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear Kursija ji,==>What ever we have at our hand is manipulated and distorted. We have to work hard to reach the truth.<== You are absolutly right! Thanks for sharing the thought.Love and Regards,Sreenadh , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Dear Prashant, Sreenath and other learned members,> The post is the food for thought. What ever we have at our hand is manipulated and distorted. We have to work hard to reach the truth.> Regards> > S.C.Kursija> > > --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > Sreenadh sreesog Re: Fwd: Chanakya Quotes/Ashoka/Buddha> > Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:37 AM> > Dear Prashant ji,> ==>> > there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before Christian> > era left standing by the crusaders-doesn' t mean there were no ethnic, tribal> > or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed> > by such acts.> <==> ?? Of course there existed a great pre-Christian religion and civilization in Europe too.? The Vedic like Wicca religion is one such ancient religion that spanned through out Europe.> ==>> > same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the> > Mayan civilization brone the brunt.> <==> ?? Right you are.... The hub of Mayan civilization?i.e. ?Guatemala gets mentioned?even in the 6th century astrological text by Mihira called "Pancha Sidhhantika" . How on earth,?the 6th century Mihira who lived in India knew about the?Guatemala origin of Maya civilization??It not it is?the ancient knowledge that descendent from the?past (from BC 18000 Garga?period? from Sindhu-Sarasvati civilization? ) there is no other chance that Mihira could know about America, ?Guatemala and Maya civilization! !! Mihira's historical period was not good enough to have such an understanding;?during 6th century AD the Indian knowledge?about?geographical locations on earth and history and politics related to various places were not good enough.? Neither much see faring was there at this period nor the technology to achieve the same.? History is NOT?Linier... We?had the?proper see faring technology once during the Sindhu-Sarasvaty period....knowledge> descended..this could be one possibility. ..?> ==>> > we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking> > as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British> <==> ? The history of India gets distorted primarily by the Indians - they are the prime culprits for distorting history with all the whims and fancies and puranas. Compared to what the British did to history was just a minor crime. But of course you are right in saying that - "we will have to re-think and revisit t history again"? "we were taught a distorted version".> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro desk" <astro.prashantkumar wrote:> >> > Dear Renu> >> > //... This is proof enough that history is manipulated as to the needs of> > the rulers. ...I agree with you. We need to look at these things> > skeptically. ...///> > this is a very valid point as we have a systematic destruction, coloring by> > every ruler> >> > there r no monuments, places, places of worship in Europe before christian> > era left standing by the crusaders-doesn' t mean there were no ethnic, tribal> > or other bigger religions earlier? but they made us believe nothing existed> > by such acts. same is story in Africa, Latin America. in Latin America the> > Mayan civilisation brone the brunt.> >> > the same happened with spread of Islam by the sword.> >> > in comparison other religions that roots itself from the sub continent were> > less blood thirsty, did not cross so many continents to thrust their might> > for that matter v few did beyond their immediate neighbour hood but for some> > big empires in short intervals> >> > else how could over 640 kingdoms merge into the Indian union post> > Independence. ?> >> > now the communists have taken to doctoring history, glorifying all the> > invaders and tarnishing the image of all local religions, even to this day> > want to worry on a dead communism, who want India to buy rusted, worn out> > weaponry from communis countries, where as our rivals, tormentors can get> > best from anywhere be it USA, or Israel and energy from our tormentors esp> > that pases Pak who can cut off supplies at will or the line benefits china> > more than us. when Nuke power we devloped will suddwe from no more fuel> > supplies if they have their way, and industries, cities, agriculute,> > industry will suffer with ever growing energy demands.poor pouplation makes> > them rich.> >> >> > All our energy requirements r dictated by a dead , decayed leftist mind set> > from a perverted version of history they have forced it on us. rewriting> > history to suit their agenda.> >> > we will have to re-think and revisit t history again from our own thinking> > as earlier we were taught a distorted version by British to divide and rules> > us, time to have some professionals do it than a agenda based ones.> >> > Best wishes> >> > Prashant kumar> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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