Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 PS - I forgot to add something important... " How much freewill do we have " ? It is inversely proportionate to the amount of Avidya we have. Therefore study of sastra, especially upanishads, under blessings and tutelage of sadhu and guru will increase our freewill. Development of Bhakti will directly destroy avidya even more forcefully than the jnana of the upanishads, because the nature of avidya is to ignore our eternal RELATIONSHIP to parambrahman. Thus practice of margs in jnana and bhakti bestow upon us more and more capability to act outside of the influence of the planets. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE that calamities will still befall a sadhu!!! Therefore astrological predictions can still be made about great saints. We can not control what will happen to us, we already had our say in that by our past actions. What a sadhu can control is how he or she REACTS to and utilizes what happens. However, when one further advances on his or her marg, the jnana and bhakti that is destroying avidya will also begin destroying aprarabdha BEFORE it becomes manifest. Thus, in very advanced stages of spiritual development, the planets themselves start to loose power over the native, and Sri Bhagavan and Sri Radha / Laxma / Parvati (as you like) take direct control over what happens to the person. - Vic On May 28, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Vic D wrote: > Dear Krishna > > (that sounds so nice!) > >> What I understand is that all the actions we take is either >> prompted by past karma or by our free-will. However, each >> individual has different degrees of free-will based on his >> prarabdha. As each and every life on earth is bond by prarabdha, >> free-will for anyone is much lower than 100%. That way we are not >> fully free! However, the question is how many of us utilizing >> whatever free-will available to us to the full extent? The problem >> is that we don't know how free we are. Hence, every attempt should >> be made to maximize our actions vetted by our conscience. That way >> we could try utilizing most of our available free-will! >> > > I agree completely. Here's some further information: > > Karma has certain divisions. I've learned them via Srila Rupa > Goswami in Bhaktirasamrta-sindhu and he has taken them from standard > Vedic texts. > > First there is AVIDYA. this is " ignroance " which makes the jiva soul > consider herself to have self-interests outside her relationship > with Param-Vishaya, Bhagavan, " god " you could say. > > With such a self-concept separated from Bhagavan, the jiva acquires > the second stage of Karma, KUTAM. this is the psychological > disposition to act independently of Bhagavan. > > From this springs the third stage of karma, namely BIJAM. this is > the direct " seed " of the action itself. It is the *desire* towards a > specific action or experience independent of relation to Sri Bhagavan. > > From this springs the action itself, the KARMA. > > From the karma we get a chain reaction of byproducts. Firstly we get > APRARABDHA karma - which is the " unmanifest " reaction to what we > did. This in turn strengthens the beej (bijam), making us desire > more similar actions, perhaps to prolong or improve upon our > experience. increasing beej in turn increases kutam, which in it's > turn strengthens avidya. > > Finally the reaction does manifest at the correct time - as can be > ascertained by the governing Grahas - this is called PRARABDHA. > > I believe the Jyotish science is a science of foretelling when > aprarabdha will become prarabdha. > > Now, what about freewill? > > Prarabdha karma (and by extension, the nine planets) does NOT > dictate what we will experience. It dictates what will occur, but > not how we will experience what occurs. What occurs is objective, > and our experience of it is subjective. Nor does prarabdha (nor the > planets) dictate how we can REACT to what we experience. > > Thus what is within the realm of our freewill is not what happens to > us. That is fixed. We cannot change it. It is " written in the stars " > - but what IS within the realm of our freewill is how we choose to > experience and react to what happens to us. > > Based on that choice of freewill, we generate new karma, and future > horoscopes and births. > > THANKS, > Vic > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Dear Vic, That was interesting. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Krishna Vic D <vicdicara wrote: PS - I forgot to add something important... " How much freewill do we have " ? It is inversely proportionate to the amount of Avidya we have. Therefore study of sastra, especially upanishads, under blessings and tutelage of sadhu and guru will increase our freewill. Development of Bhakti will directly destroy avidya even more forcefully than the jnana of the upanishads, because the nature of avidya is to ignore our eternal RELATIONSHIP to parambrahman. Thus practice of margs in jnana and bhakti bestow upon us more and more capability to act outside of the influence of the planets. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE that calamities will still befall a sadhu!!! Therefore astrological predictions can still be made about great saints. We can not control what will happen to us, we already had our say in that by our past actions. What a sadhu can control is how he or she REACTS to and utilizes what happens. However, when one further advances on his or her marg, the jnana and bhakti that is destroying avidya will also begin destroying aprarabdha BEFORE it becomes manifest. Thus, in very advanced stages of spiritual development, the planets themselves start to loose power over the native, and Sri Bhagavan and Sri Radha / Laxma / Parvati (as you like) take direct control over what happens to the person. - Vic On May 28, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Vic D wrote: > Dear Krishna > > (that sounds so nice!) > >> What I understand is that all the actions we take is either >> prompted by past karma or by our free-will. However, each >> individual has different degrees of free-will based on his >> prarabdha. As each and every life on earth is bond by prarabdha, >> free-will for anyone is much lower than 100%. That way we are not >> fully free! However, the question is how many of us utilizing >> whatever free-will available to us to the full extent? The problem >> is that we don't know how free we are. Hence, every attempt should >> be made to maximize our actions vetted by our conscience. That way >> we could try utilizing most of our available free-will! >> > > I agree completely. Here's some further information: > > Karma has certain divisions. I've learned them via Srila Rupa > Goswami in Bhaktirasamrta-sindhu and he has taken them from standard > Vedic texts. > > First there is AVIDYA. this is " ignroance " which makes the jiva soul > consider herself to have self-interests outside her relationship > with Param-Vishaya, Bhagavan, " god " you could say. > > With such a self-concept separated from Bhagavan, the jiva acquires > the second stage of Karma, KUTAM. this is the psychological > disposition to act independently of Bhagavan. > > From this springs the third stage of karma, namely BIJAM. this is > the direct " seed " of the action itself. It is the *desire* towards a > specific action or experience independent of relation to Sri Bhagavan. > > From this springs the action itself, the KARMA. > > From the karma we get a chain reaction of byproducts. Firstly we get > APRARABDHA karma - which is the " unmanifest " reaction to what we > did. This in turn strengthens the beej (bijam), making us desire > more similar actions, perhaps to prolong or improve upon our > experience. increasing beej in turn increases kutam, which in it's > turn strengthens avidya. > > Finally the reaction does manifest at the correct time - as can be > ascertained by the governing Grahas - this is called PRARABDHA. > > I believe the Jyotish science is a science of foretelling when > aprarabdha will become prarabdha. > > Now, what about freewill? > > Prarabdha karma (and by extension, the nine planets) does NOT > dictate what we will experience. It dictates what will occur, but > not how we will experience what occurs. What occurs is objective, > and our experience of it is subjective. Nor does prarabdha (nor the > planets) dictate how we can REACT to what we experience. > > Thus what is within the realm of our freewill is not what happens to > us. That is fixed. We cannot change it. It is " written in the stars " > - but what IS within the realm of our freewill is how we choose to > experience and react to what happens to us. > > Based on that choice of freewill, we generate new karma, and future > horoscopes and births. > > THANKS, > Vic > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Dear Mr. Vic-di-cara, It is heartening to hear such a good understanding of hindu scriptures..... with reards, Sreeram_Srinivas Vic D <vicdicara wrote:PS - I forgot to add something important..."How much freewill do we have"?It is inversely proportionate to the amount of Avidya we have.Therefore study of sastra, especially upanishads, under blessings andtutelage of sadhu and guru will increase our freewill.Development of Bhakti will directly destroy avidya even moreforcefully than the jnana of the upanishads, because the nature ofavidya is to ignore our eternal RELATIONSHIP to parambrahman.Thus practice of margs in jnana and bhakti bestow upon us more andmore capability to act outside of the influence of the planets. IT ISIMPORTANT TO NOTE that calamities will still befall a sadhu!!!Therefore astrological predictions can still be made about greatsaints. We can not control what will happen to us, we already had oursay in that by our past actions. What a sadhu can control is how he orshe REACTS to and utilizes what happens.However, when one further advances on his or her marg, the jnana andbhakti that is destroying avidya will also begin destroying aprarabdhaBEFORE it becomes manifest. Thus, in very advanced stages of spiritualdevelopment, the planets themselves start to loose power over thenative, and Sri Bhagavan and Sri Radha / Laxma / Parvati (as you like)take direct control over what happens to the person.- Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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