Rahu/Ketu

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At 04:22 AM 1/13/05 -0000, Ron Grimes wrote:

 

>Some use Rahu in the 7th since it is Saturn-like, and Ketu in the

>10th since it is Mars-like.

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You know, I wonder about these definitions. In Chinese astrology it's just

the opposite: Rahu is said to be like Mars and Ketu like Saturn.

 

Ketu is said to rule liberation, which is Saturnian. Rahu is said to rule

ambition, which requires the energy of Mars. When Ketu transited my Sun and

Moon last year I felt so small and worthless--invisible, and I seemed to be

very far away (in my mind) from the 'real' world. Not the least bit like

Mars. Now that the transit is over, I find more and more of life

meaningless, the attachment is gone. That sounds like Saturn, no? (I do

find myself meditating for longer periods of time.)

 

Ketu was on the ascendant of John Edwards' solar return this year. He

suffered a loss (Saturn), and his wife found that she had cancer. That was

another election clue: Ketu on the ascendant. (Don't even ASK me how I

rationalized that away.)

 

Ketu was conjunct the MC (also near the EH 10th cusp) for the Asian

quake/tsunami. Lots of water, no fire, but much misery (Saturn).

 

Therese

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, Therese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 04:22 AM 1/13/05 -0000, Ron Grimes wrote:

>

> You know, I wonder about these definitions. In Chinese astrology

> it's just the opposite: Rahu is said to be like Mars and Ketu like

> Saturn.

>

> Ketu is said to rule liberation, which is Saturnian. Rahu is

> said to rule ambition, which requires the energy of Mars.

> When Ketu transited my Sun and Moon last year I felt so small

> and worthless--invisible, and I seemed to be very far away

> (in my mind) from the 'real' world. Not the least bit like

> Mars. Now that the transit is over, I find more and more of

> life meaningless, the attachment is gone. That sounds like

> Saturn, no? (I do find myself meditating for longer periods

> of time.)

 

Caution....looooong ramble.

 

I guess here's how I would make the comparison.

 

I always associate Rahu with ambition as you said, but it is also

associated with deceit and manipulation. Consquently, what that

creates is a situation whereby sudden gains are made through lazy,

ill-conceived, poorly thought-out plans, which is why gains that are

made in Rahu periods are usually lost by the end.

 

If Rahu is then the " planet " of attachment, Ketu is the planet of

non-attachment, and therefore spirituality. He strips you of all the

things that Rahu bestowed upon you and deceived you as part of you -

all the things that Rahu adorned you with in an attempt to make you

think that those things were necessary to be a part of your ego.

This is the churning of the ocean spoken of in Hindu mythology,

whereby the elixir of immortality is released from the bottom of the

ocean. This constant churning (Rahu giving, Ketu taking) eventually

makes you see the transient nature of reality and how that nothing

is permanent - not your thoughts, not your emotions, not your

possessions, and not your body. What remains is you - the

enlightened you.

 

Given this, then how is Ketu said to be Mars-like? Ketu is a Spartan

energy, much like Mars, doing with only the bare essentials,

stripping one of ego. If we think of the military, ruled by Mars,

what do their leaders always get them to do? The intent is a

diminishing of ego by becoming part of something greater - part of a

unit or team, adhering to a discipline, sacrificing themselves for a

cause greater than themselves, etc.

 

I know it's always said that Saturn is the spiritual planet, and I

would agree that it represents those engaged in renunciative

practices, but in reality, how many of them ever perceive their true

nature? I don't see Saturn as spiritual at all, but a fleeing from

the world in order to find something that doesn't exist. Mars, on

the other hand, fully engages in the world, while seeing itself as

part of a a greater whole, balancing action with a willingness to

sacrifice it all for others.

 

Saturn, in my view, is the delusion of spirituality because one has

withdrawn from the world and gone within himself (sounds like

extreme egoism to me), while Mars forgets self and engages in the

world, thinking of the whole, the team, and in so doing finds

himself and his own purpose. Saturn's self absorption with his own

enlightenment keeps him from ever finding it. As it is said, until

one abandon's the search for enlightenment, it is impossible to find

it. One must turn outward and away from the Saturn mentality to

serve others before one's own purpose and enlightenment can be

discovered. It is said in Zen that you will never awaken until you

lose your desire for your own enlightenment and desire above all the

enlightement of all beings. Enlightenment is found in the turning

outward. Saturn's turn inward is the extreme of egoism disguised as

renunciation (a spiritual term assigned to the most selfish of all

actions). Saturn is the predecessor of the spiritual path because it

represents as far as you can go before you must turn around to

finally see the light, but it is not the spiritual path. It is

extreme darkness because it is extreme contraction into a tiny ego

hardened shell.

 

I'm not preaching to you. It's just that, at times, someone's

post interests me, and I start off to respond to it, and I end up

writing down a flood of thoughts and ideas and it ends up being a

letter to myself more than to anyone else. It clarifies my own mind.

 

Rony

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At 9:28pm Jan 12, 2005 (CST-2) Therese Hamilton wrote:

 

>At 04:22 AM 1/13/05 -0000, Ron Grimes >wrote:

     

>>Some use Rahu in the 7th since it is >>Saturn-like, and Ketu in the

>>10th since it is Mars-like.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     

>You know, I wonder about these >definitions. In Chinese astrology it's

just

>the opposite: ---

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Dear Therese,

I wonder about _most_ of these definitions in Jyotish. I first learned

of western Sidereal astrology through American Astrology magazine. I

enjoyed reading reprints of Cyril Fagan's Solunar's columns and

Perspectives in the Sidereal by Donald Bradley (aka Garth Allen). Also

interesting were the technical articles of people like Clay Reed and

Jimm Erickson. There was a clarity and simplicity in the presentation

that I hadn't found in most other astrological writing.

 

I didn't know much about 'Vedic' astrology however, so I visited several

internet sites dedicated to the subject. I found it very difficult to

understand the material. There were too many complicated rules and

aphorisms to follow, which aren't all agreed upon by the different

teachers. For example, given the reputed accuracy of the Vimshottari

Dasa system, why do you find the Lahiri, Krishnamurti, Raman, Chandra

Hari and other ayanamsas which give different timings for the periods in

a persons life? Of course, with my weak power of recall, I may just be

prejudiced against any system which requires memorizing a long list of

rules. But my eyes glaze over when I read statements like: " Mars is a

functional benefic because in a Cancer rising chart, he is owner of the

5th and 10th houses, which are both considered positive

houses to own. " (no offense to Mr. Grimes).

 

Therese, you wrote in a previous post that Cyril Fagan never developed

western Sidereal astrology into a finished system. Could it be that it

was because he was always wary of what he called schematism. He didn't

want to force the unique individual elements of astrology into a neat

pattern that might not have actual validity. He wrote that it was for

this very reason that he had doubted the usefulness of the Vedic Navamsa

or ninefold chart, since the sign placements of the Navamsa Moon and

planets in relation to the birth chart were not convincing. But on a

suggestion from Donald Bradley he tried multiplying longitudes from 0*

sidereal Taurus rather than Aries. He was very happy with the results

and dubbed this new chart the Novien. He also found that the 2nd Novien

(9x9) was significant. This was useful in confirming the accuracy of the

Synetic Vernal Point. Fagan later wrote regarding Bradley's suggestion:

" Without realizing it, his casual remark led to the unearthing of the

long lost kernal of true lunar interpretation, thus adding enormously to

the understanding of the effects of the Moon in astrology. " I would add

that I've seen Novien charts which convince me that Fagan was correct.

 

Gary

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At 07:20 AM 1/13/05 -0000, Ron Grimes wrote:

>...

>If Rahu is then the " planet " of attachment, Ketu is the planet of

>non-attachment, and therefore spirituality. He strips you of all the

>things that Rahu bestowed upon you and deceived you as part of you -

>all the things that Rahu adorned you with in an attempt to make you

>think that those things were necessary to be a part of your ego.

>This is the churning of the ocean spoken of in Hindu mythology,

>whereby the elixir of immortality is released from the bottom of the

>ocean. This constant churning (Rahu giving, Ketu taking) eventually

>makes you see the transient nature of reality and how that nothing

>is permanent - not your thoughts, not your emotions, not your

>possessions, and not your body. What remains is you - the

>enlightened you.

 

Nice analysis here. Actually, what remains is nothing but *God* No

personality/personal identity remains. This is actually my life goal, so I

suppose it's no wonder that Ketu leaves little in its wake when it transits

planets in my horoscope. This is why the psychological means little to me

anymore except as something to research with horoscopes. I don't

psychoanalyze people because I can't see into the minds and souls, and I

certainly don't trust astrology to do this! I mean I have no flawless

insight that I can depend on. Human beings make mistakes.

 

>Given this, then how is Ketu said to be Mars-like? Ketu is a Spartan

>energy, much like Mars, doing with only the bare essentials,

>stripping one of ego. If we think of the military, ruled by Mars,

>what do their leaders always get them to do? The intent is a

>diminishing of ego by becoming part of something greater - part of a

>unit or team, adhering to a discipline, sacrificing themselves for a

>cause greater than themselves, etc.

 

Another thought is that Mars rules destruction (Shiva?)--in this case

destruction of the ego. (By the way, I believe that the 8th house of a

horoscope Scorpio's house, relates to being part of something greater,

sharing energies, such as military duty, the church, hospital and school

work, etc.)

 

>I know it's always said that Saturn is the spiritual planet, and I

>would agree that it represents those engaged in renunciative

>practices, but in reality, how many of them ever perceive their true

>nature? I don't see Saturn as spiritual at all...

 

Edgar Cayce said of Saturn: " In Saturn as the beginning of earthly woes,

that to which all insufficient matter is cast for the beginning. " (Reading

900-10)

 

>Saturn, in my view, is the delusion of spirituality because one has

>withdrawn from the world and gone within himself (sounds like

>extreme egoism to me), while Mars forgets self and engages in the

>world, thinking of the whole, the team, and in so doing finds

>himself and his own purpose. Saturn's self absorption with his own

>enlightenment keeps him from ever finding it.

 

The answer is that one becomes absorbed in God rather than the self. But

many 'renuncients' don't make it and become self-absorbed.

 

>Enlightenment is found in the turning outward.

 

No, this isn't true unless you're referring to concern for the world and

everyone/everything in it, which is part of real enlightenment--feeling the

universe as one's self. If one is truly developing spiritually, everyone in

the world is one's 'family.' There are no enemies or strangers. Equal

concern for all. You won't find peace and real spiritual expansion in the

outer world. All you'll get is an overly restless mind unless you're a

liberated soul. But service is one of the paths to God.

 

But this is getting off the topic of Rahu/Ketu. There's no doubt that Ketu

diminishes, and Rahu seems to be variable depending on location and aspects.

 

Therese

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Hello,

 

Was just seeing your chart ... primarily because I

feel instinctively close to you, having the same

ascendant and secondarily because I have the same need

to dig deeper and deeper into myself to understand

myself as a part of the macrocosmic universe. I am

sure it will ring to you as to what I am talking

about.

 

I do however wonder if this indeed is your horoscope??

Its very wonderful !! you must have been a great soul

to get this chart ...

 

In what I am writing below I will mention the obvious

things out for later ...

 

a few things that strike me are from your horoscope

are:

a) Lonely Moon - Kemadruma yoga, compensated with Sat

and Jup in 10th house. All though there is no

kemadruma yoga

per say, somehow lonely moon always makes you live in

emotional isolation even when you are with people.

Interestingly

I have the same moon in 2nd house alone with Jup in

7th compensating ...

 

Moon is in Anuradha for you ... a star that I always

had great regard for (I am moola btw) and to me

Anuradha is

an idealistic lover of beauty and sophestication yet

is prone to bouts of lonliness ... somehow I

understand

anuradha very well my sister having the same star ...

 

Moon itself is in 1st house ... that is to say that

your emotional life will be in tune with the

circumstances

that life presents in your day to day life .. as

against your more religious, spiritual and mentoristic

personality

created by sun in 9th house ...

 

b) Sa + Ju in 10th house ... firstly if you ask me any

chart with Saturn and Jupiter together indicates great

spiritual

growth in this lifetime ..

 

c) I have a feeling that though Ketu is well placed,

it will make you depressive .. minor things can get u

depressed ..

this is not to say that you lack courage to face

issues .. you will be more than strong if the

situations demand

irrespective of how you feel before you start dealing

with them ..

 

Again Ketu is in saturns house ... if you ask me you

probably need patience before the clouds clear to see

the rainbow ...

 

Also I feel this Ketu will make you a little aloof

with siblings or friends ... Your own unselfishness

might

or might not (most likely not) project into your

relations ...

 

d) self made and your own teacher and greatly

spiritual - 1st moon

 

e) Excellent teacher both spiritual as well and for

self .. sun in 9th .. however the rahu with sun will

create

circumstances of deception .. although for spiritual

causes ..

 

Obvious things:

- 9th lord in 1st - wonderful placement .. strong link

between your father and you .. great fortune ...

specially

because 2nd 10th 11th and 5th lords are well placed

....

- Great career - 5th + 4th Lord in 10th - Dharma

Karmadhipati yoga - what you get in your career will

be largely

be based on your past karma and will need you to be

patient ... slow and steady wins the race if u ask me

... work

can be logical, creative, legal, medical ... Good deal

of power and wealth if you ask me...

- Ke in 3rd

- 7th lord in 7th .. that too venus .. wonderful

passionate husband .. lots of luxuries .. good looking

husband and

good looking self as well ... (do you have a roundish

face??), you personally have a great influence on

others

in all your personal relations ... this might push you

to have multiple partners but that is not a hinderance

in your life

However considering that Venus is also lording 12th

house losses on one level or other in all partnerships

and

relationships are inevitable ..

- 2nd lord in 9th - shaky start but steady rise ...

self made fortune as well as inheritance ..

- sat as 3rd lord in 10 - powerful rise

professionally, but might put spot of bothers in all

your personal

relationships

- 8th lord in 8th house ... strong marriage ... long

life ... since merc is also ruler of 11th house

this muight indicate some debts ...

- 1st and 6th ruler in 11th - continuous flow of help

from friends, self relatives for income and

fulfillment of desires

however some amount of strain in relations with them

....

 

What else can one need in life?? great marriage, good

fortune and power, great spiritual bent of mind ..

amazing combinations ...

 

 

 

 

 

--- swatijr8 <sj wrote:

 

> i have often wondered the past karmas represented by

> the placements of my R and K. i too

> have rahu placed in same house as sun. though they

> are over 10 degrees apart, would the

> same implications apply? (karmas regarding

> mishandling money, power, authority in past

> life?)they are both placed in my 9th house as well.

> ketu sits in 3rd in capricorn (scorpio

> rising) so there is that influence of 10th house

> there as well. though i have been told that

> ketu is actually very good to me, i am constantly

> working toward things that prove valuable

> lessons, but don't work out well or help me

> financially. would these implications of past life

> deeds be connected to the house they are placed in

> as well? ketu likes to snip the ties that

> bind us to the relative-forcing our evolution.

> painful sometimes. i have also learned that

> where ever rahu is placed, this is a part of your

> life in a past life that needed more attention.

> now you are fixated poss. obsessed with this aspect

> of life. conversely, with ketu you were

> probably very much ruled in the past by what ever he

> wants you to get rid of this time. he is

> snipping away this ignorance. it certainly makes

> sense in my chart. but i still want what i had

> in my last life, so i have to reorient my self to

> what this life is for.

> thanks for the insights

> sj

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

well dan, perhaps this means you were a wealthy recluse in

a past life! at least you are well aware of these

concerns. awareness is the first step. jyotish helps us

with this. then we can begin to take action in order for

change to occur.

rahu in the 2nd might make you fixated on worldy things.

ketu brings great experiences and snips those worldy

desires. the 8th is very transcendental. do you have great

" experiences " and visuals? where is your shukra?

sj

 

 

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:00:44 -0800 (PST)

Dan Dubie <dandubie wrote:

> Hi Swatjir...

> I have Rahu in the 2nd and Ketu in the 8th..

> I am constantly trying to make ends meet financially,

>and

> deal with strong sexual desires...

>

> Dan

>

> swatijr8 <sj wrote:

> i have often wondered the past karmas represented by

>the placements of my R and K. i too

> have rahu placed in same house as sun. though they are

>over 10 degrees apart, would the

> same implications apply? (karmas regarding mishandling

>money, power, authority in past

> life?)they are both placed in my 9th house as well.

> ketu sits in 3rd in capricorn (scorpio

> rising) so there is that influence of 10th house there

>as well. though i have been told that

> ketu is actually very good to me, i am constantly

>working toward things that prove valuable

> lessons, but don't work out well or help me financially.

>would these implications of past life

> deeds be connected to the house they are placed in as

>well? ketu likes to snip the ties that

> bind us to the relative-forcing our evolution. painful

>sometimes. i have also learned that

> where ever rahu is placed, this is a part of your life

>in a past life that needed more attention.

> now you are fixated poss. obsessed with this aspect of

>life. conversely, with ketu you were

> probably very much ruled in the past by what ever he

>wants you to get rid of this time. he is

> snipping away this ignorance. it certainly makes sense

>in my chart. but i still want what i had

> in my last life, so i have to reorient my self to what

>this life is for.

> thanks for the insights

> sj

 

[Guest guest]

Dan,

 

It is important to understand what sexual desire is in

this context to begin with ... who dosent have sexual

desires?? so have a desire is in itself is not to be

looked at if you ask me .. a more important thing to

ask would be where it expresses itself and why ...

 

Is it physical - what if Mars is pushing you for sex

but moon itself is in a neuter sign? Mental? what is

the state of Mars? The state of 12th house? is there

any planetary conjunction that makes the expression of

sex itself inappropriate (again inappropriate by whose

standards?? each culture has its own standards) ..

 

Again which planet involves in sexual expression .. is

it a confining planet or a planet of expansion?

 

Generally Rahu or Ketu will cause unusal prefernces to

sex ... but their mere association with any house

would be of no complete consequence unless you look at

the house lord and his expression itself ...

 

Ultimately Rahu and Ketu are both involved in bringing

about awareness ... Rahu brings awareness via

expression in material world and its obsessions ...

Ketu brings about awareness via expression in

spiritual world .. the truth is that for a bird to fly

both the wings should be balanced .. so if you learn

to balance yoru ketu and Rahu you can make your entire

chart more balanced if you ask me (a view holds that

planets between rahu and ketu drive you to material

awareness and those between ketu and rahu drive you to

spiritual awareness)

 

but both rahu and ketu express themselves from the

planet they are associated either by association or

lordship .... both usually cause isolation by choice

or deception and make you come in terms with ur own

past deeds (like saturn .. although in a different

sense)...

 

Ketu in 8th causes hardships ... but will elevate u to

higher planes of consciousness ... understanding them

is like understanding your own shadows ... assume u r

a lump of gold ...a gold smith still has to burn you

and hammer you to make a jewel out of you ... that is

what your life expreiences will be like ...

 

Just remember that if universe evolved by design ..

then we are too small to alter the destination that we

are to reach ...

 

If it happened by chance ... then everything you

experience is only a emergent behaviour that you have

to live out ...

 

However being a true believer I would say that if

universe indeed happened by chance .. then god played

a big gamble

 

Ciao

 

--- Dan Dubie <dandubie wrote:

 

> Hi Swatjir...

> I have Rahu in the 2nd and Ketu in the 8th..

> I am constantly trying to make ends meet

> financially, and

> deal with strong sexual desires...

>

> Dan

>

> swatijr8 <sj wrote:

> i have often wondered the past karmas represented

> by the placements of my R and K. i too

> have rahu placed in same house as sun. though they

> are over 10 degrees apart, would the

> same implications apply? (karmas regarding

> mishandling money, power, authority in past

> life?)they are both placed in my 9th house as well.

> ketu sits in 3rd in capricorn (scorpio

> rising) so there is that influence of 10th house

> there as well. though i have been told that

> ketu is actually very good to me, i am constantly

> working toward things that prove valuable

> lessons, but don't work out well or help me

> financially. would these implications of past life

> deeds be connected to the house they are placed in

> as well? ketu likes to snip the ties that

> bind us to the relative-forcing our evolution.

> painful sometimes. i have also learned that

> where ever rahu is placed, this is a part of your

> life in a past life that needed more attention.

> now you are fixated poss. obsessed with this aspect

> of life. conversely, with ketu you were

> probably very much ruled in the past by what ever he

> wants you to get rid of this time. he is

> snipping away this ignorance. it certainly makes

> sense in my chart. but i still want what i had

> in my last life, so i have to reorient my self to

> what this life is for.

> thanks for the insights

> sj

[Guest guest]

Hi Surya! Yes, it is a strong physical drive... and, I have Mars in the 12th conjunct Moon in my 11th... A Very passionate and emotional - physical drive... I am having fun with it, but it has taken a lot of time to get to where I understand how to use the energy.. Tantra would be a logical choice for me I think.. To use sex to gain higher levels of consciousness... if that is possible... Dansurya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: Dan,It is important to understand what sexual desire is inthis context to begin with ... who dosent have sexualdesires?? so have a desire is in itself is not to belooked at if you ask me .. a more important thing toask would be where it expresses itself and

why ... Is it physical - what if Mars is pushing you for sexbut moon itself is in a neuter sign? Mental? what isthe state of Mars? The state of 12th house? is thereany planetary conjunction that makes the expression ofsex itself inappropriate (again inappropriate by whosestandards?? each culture has its own standards) .. Again which planet involves in sexual expression .. isit a confining planet or a planet of expansion?Generally Rahu or Ketu will cause unusal prefernces tosex ... but their mere association with any housewould be of no complete consequence unless you look atthe house lord and his expression itself ... Ultimately Rahu and Ketu are both involved in bringingabout awareness ... Rahu brings awareness viaexpression in material world and its obsessions ...Ketu brings about awareness via expression inspiritual world .. the truth is that for a bird to flyboth the wings should be

balanced .. so if you learnto balance yoru ketu and Rahu you can make your entirechart more balanced if you ask me (a view holds thatplanets between rahu and ketu drive you to materialawareness and those between ketu and rahu drive you tospiritual awareness)but both rahu and ketu express themselves from theplanet they are associated either by association orlordship .... both usually cause isolation by choiceor deception and make you come in terms with ur ownpast deeds (like saturn .. although in a differentsense)... Ketu in 8th causes hardships ... but will elevate u tohigher planes of consciousness ... understanding themis like understanding your own shadows ... assume u ra lump of gold ...a gold smith still has to burn youand hammer you to make a jewel out of you ... that iswhat your life expreiences will be like ... Just remember that if universe evolved by design ..then we are too small to

alter the destination that weare to reach ... If it happened by chance ... then everything youexperience is only a emergent behaviour that you haveto live out ...However being a true believer I would say that ifuniverse indeed happened by chance .. then god playeda big gamble :)Ciao--- Dan Dubie <dandubie wrote:> Hi Swatjir...> I have Rahu in the 2nd and Ketu in the 8th..> I am constantly trying to make ends meet> financially, and > deal with strong sexual desires...> > Dan> > swatijr8 <sj wrote:> i have often wondered the past karmas represented> by the placements of my R and K. i too > have rahu placed in same house as sun. though they> are over 10 degrees apart, would the > same

implications apply? (karmas regarding> mishandling money, power, authority in past > life?)they are both placed in my 9th house as well. > ketu sits in 3rd in capricorn (scorpio > rising) so there is that influence of 10th house> there as well. though i have been told that > ketu is actually very good to me, i am constantly> working toward things that prove valuable > lessons, but don't work out well or help me> financially. would these implications of past life > deeds be connected to the house they are placed in> as well? ketu likes to snip the ties that > bind us to the relative-forcing our evolution.> painful sometimes. i have also learned that > where ever rahu is placed, this is a part of your> life in a past life that needed more attention. > now you are fixated poss. obsessed with this aspect> of life. conversely, with ketu you were >

probably very much ruled in the past by what ever he> wants you to get rid of this time. he is > snipping away this ignorance. it certainly makes> sense in my chart. but i still want what i had > in my last life, so i have to reorient my self to> what this life is for.> thanks for the insights> sj > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi SJ.. Yes I think I was a priest or something like a monk in my previous life... The Lord of my 8th house is Shukra which is 6 degrees Tula and my Ascendent is 12 degrees Tula... People vary on if it is in the 12th house or the 1st.... Do you know..? Dansj wrote: well dan, perhaps this means you were a wealthy recluse in a past life! at least you are well aware of these concerns. awareness is the first step. jyotish helps us with this. then we can begin to take action in order for change to occur.rahu in the 2nd might make you fixated on worldy things. ketu brings great experiences and snips those worldy desires. the 8th is very transcendental. do you have great "experiences" and visuals? where is your

shukra?sjOn Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:00:44 -0800 (PST) Dan Dubie <dandubie wrote:> Hi Swatjir...> I have Rahu in the 2nd and Ketu in the 8th..> I am constantly trying to make ends meet financially, >and > deal with strong sexual desires...> > Dan> > swatijr8 <sj wrote:> i have often wondered the past karmas represented by >the placements of my R and K. i too > have rahu placed in same house as sun. though they are >over 10 degrees apart, would the > same implications apply? (karmas regarding mishandling >money, power, authority in past > life?)they are both placed in my 9th house as well. > ketu sits in 3rd in capricorn (scorpio > rising) so there is that influence of 10th house there >as well. though i have been told that

> ketu is actually very good to me, i am constantly >working toward things that prove valuable > lessons, but don't work out well or help me financially. >would these implications of past life > deeds be connected to the house they are placed in as >well? ketu likes to snip the ties that > bind us to the relative-forcing our evolution. painful >sometimes. i have also learned that > where ever rahu is placed, this is a part of your life >in a past life that needed more attention. > now you are fixated poss. obsessed with this aspect of >life. conversely, with ketu you were > probably very much ruled in the past by what ever he >wants you to get rid of this time. he is > snipping away this ignorance. it certainly makes sense >in my chart. but i still want what i had > in my last life, so i have to reorient my self to what >this life is for.>

thanks for the insights> sj > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Lew,

 

No. It will have the impact in proportion to the influence it casts.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

-

" LEWIS JONES " <lewjon

 

Friday, June 08, 2007 10:40 PM

Rahu/Ketu

 

 

| Professsor,

|

| Here's a question re: an aspect of 20-25% from Rahu or Ketu on a planet.

|

| As I understand SA this 1/4 or 1/5 affliction will most likely

| manifest in later life. Now, my observation is that this minor

| affliction actually acts like a 100% affliction during those later life

| years (depending, of course, on transits and dashas). Is this

| correct?

|

| Thank you.

|

| Lew Jones

|

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Ramesh & Members,

 

All planets have their own ramification as they transit the positions in

a chart. In which episode they were created is NOT an issue, as much

that they also existed previously. Good & Evil are part of the creation

and each will have its own share of LUCK through the Dasha cycle of

YUGAS. If the Satya & Dwapara Yugas had predominance of Good, then evil

in the rest of the cases - Treta & Kali Yugas.

 

It is fact that this Kala Sarpa Yoga is a ManMade episode or incident

created with vested interest. We often find many people doing

Pariharams after some illiterate astros taking advantage of innocent

believers suggesting Pariharams.

 

I have a single question to you all - Did you ever dare to ask a

member who went through the Pariharams - what there any solace to his

original problems ??

 

We all have been regular in some or other. Did you not get

enough evidence of failure of such Gems & Pariharam remedies ?? Except

for those genuine guidance of certain astros of repute or genuine

standing.

 

Did you not read Mr. Prabodh Vigneesh who posted his chart & lengthy

list of problems in almost all - that he spent 18 hrs in

pujas, yet he lost all his monies in share market..etc.....SEEKING an

astro_answer & solution to his unending problms. NOW he is a

reverred ASTROLOGY GURU in a !!

 

Even the good combinations in the chart can give you a scare of your

life -

 

Example-1: The self declared chart of Mr. PVR Narasimha - so many yogas

...etc.. He is NOT known beyond his own house. Only contribution - a

software - that too NOT his own make - but for some good contribution &

selling by SJC -TEAM. Earlier it was charged at US $100 per CD.

 

Questions : If his chart is so good, why he is NOT known in his field

?? Why his predictions have NOTHING to speak about ?? A film start

entering politics is NOT a new phenomenon - it would surprising if they

do NOT join. Film stars in politics - are BORN failures - save for

A.P. Chief Minister - N.T.Rama Rao { who took some real good

administrative decisions }. If yogas elevated then that elevation

should have sustained the Film Actor Politician also...then after

winning election why did the Yogas did not make him more popular or give

support of the masses ??

 

Example -2: Same as above - Hindi film actor - Govinda, Hema Malini,

Dharmendra, Shatrughan Sinha......etc..

 

Can any one with KP system or NO KP methods, tell me why their

popularity is ONLY in that artificial dream world ?? Why it is not in

real mass ??

 

Example-3: I have posted a blind chart saying the combination is of a

PURPORTED prostitute, in Jyotish Group -. Every joined to

make combinations & predict to be a confirmed prostitute. Myself as

the originator of that blind birth data, kept question others all well

known astros in that group, countering their arguments - that it does

NOT indicate her profession.

 

Reality : I only took the birth data from this very group, posted by a

member to know problems of his sister who is a housewife from a good

family. I deliberately made minor changes in the birth data {for the

people who in this group have already seen it}, to keep the basic

horoscope parameters SAME including ALL the amsa/varga positions.

 

NOT a single astrologer in that group had the guts or knowledge to say

it was NOT a horoscope of a prostitute profession. This inspite of my

tacit & open countering logics.

 

I had the last laugh.

 

To attribute everything to Rahu & Ketu or other planets , would be a

case of reading too much of astrology. Astrology like any other

subject has its BORDERS defined.

 

Example: When we read quantum mechanics - chemistry, gives in to Physics

then to mathematics {loose example}. To keep insisting it is chemistry

in mathematics is a imagination of insomaniac.

 

There are conditions & method defined for each pariharam to fructify.

I ask members in the group & elsewhere, if they are aware of this !!

If you do not know this, keep doing it 100000 times...nothing will

happen.....you will continue the same situation in your next life also -

I gurantee this !!!???!!!

 

Remember, you can escape from this NINE planets by doing pariharams !!

they will still be there in one of the 12 houses. Unless you want to

go the lessons similar to my favorite Lord Ravana.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

 

 

, ramesh tendulkar

<ram_t_1968 wrote:

>

> Hello

>

> Got a note from my Guru.

>

> Rahu & Kethu were created during the Neelakanda episode. They are

against Sun & Moon (Heaven side guys). That is why there is evil axis of

Kala Sarpa Dosha. 90% of charts that I have seen, have it.

>

> Please explain the ramifications of transit of Rahu & Ketu in a

particular house, owned by any planet.

>

> (KP principle is to read the effects of the owner of the house lord

and results given by the sublord of the house for the event)

>

> Waiting to hear from avid practitioners, particularly from Sunil.

>

> Regards

> Ramesh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Member(s),

 

1) Yes, it is good to explore logics in astrology. Would request you

to kindly search in archives 2-3 mails of Mr. Chandra Hari - questioning

the logics of the KP System....genuine questions of a truth seeker......

let us with that first...

 

2) My opinion of other is also same - in short Internet

Astrology - if everyone wants to " suck " knowledge without contributing

a single byte....you can expect the outcome...

 

3) Praise of the group should follow the reasons behind such

praise.....seems some inconsitency in your mail ?? {while you claim

NOTHING new in the group....yet...you are hooked ?}

 

4) Paid or Passion = has NO relation in this group.....only subject

matters.

 

Let us start start with Point No. 1......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, ramesh tendulkar

<ram_t_1968 wrote:

 

There is another way to explain with a Jyotish angle isnt it? (if

something is created, ask the logix behind it? so it was reason the

question and rightly put across to a research group - on ramifications

of Rahu & Ketu.

 

I have not learn't anything further than I know in this group, except to

be asked to have it based on Astronomy - which does not tally with Pluto

and Neptune along with Uranus in picture, 12 houses versus 9 planets -

which does not help the learning/research cause).

 

 

BTW this is one very good group other than Vedic_Astrology.

 

Note - Astrology is not my profession, but a passion!

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

Regarding Ramani ji's question on Rahu/Ketu, an abstract from "KP for Beginners- Part 11, KPE-zine April 2009" is provided as under.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

45. A practice is found that if any planet is deposited in the star of Rahu/Ketu, then Rahu/Ketu will offer the results of that planet. (Astrosecrets Part I p 308; KPA 2002 p 40) However, as per KP that planet will give whatever Rahu/Ketu is to give but not Rahu/Ketu to give whatever that planet is to give. That is why Rahu/Ketu can give the result of a house by occupation, only when there is no planet in its stars. [KP Reader V pp 212, 274-5 (Old Edition pp 200, 236), Reader VI p 190, 282; C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatara Chintamani p 19]--- On Sun, 5/24/09,

Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRahu/Ketu"Tin Win" <tw853Sunday, May 24, 2009, 5:16 AM

 

Dear Sir,

 

In the file section of your article on Rahu/Ketu as reproduced from KP E-Zine of May 2007, Part III has reference about late Shri M.P.Shanmugam's theory of

Rahu/Ketu as written by him in Astro Secrets Vol.I in Pag308 (1) : '' Any planet deposited in the stars of

Rahu/Ketu, it is Rahu/Ketu that will offer the resultss of that planet''. Suppose Jupiter is in the star of Ketu, it is

Ketu that will offer the results of Jupiter. This rule seems

to be new, not found in the text of KP in any of hs Readers

or examples. I wish to know whether you have tested

this Rule and found to be correct. I request you to enlighten members on this issue.

 

Regards,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Respected Sir,

Most humbly I beg to say that i need some clarification on the issue.

Supposing VII cusp extends from 2 degrees of Leo to 2 degrees of Virgo. (Approximately). Jupiter is placed at 9 degrees of Leo and Kethu at 15 degrees. I wished to propose this basing on the message of Ramaniji. Now Kethu and Jupiter both are significators of VII Bhava. So both are significators of marriage. As per your statement in the message, Kethu can give the result of a house by occupation, only when there is no planet in its star. That means in this particular case, Kethu will not give result of VII Bhava because Jupiter occupies star of Kethu. Hope I have rightly understood. So from the outset we can exclude Kethu from the fruitful significators of VII and consider Jupiter instead. Please spare few minutes to reply. Thanking you.

With my respect to you.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Tin Win <tw853 ; Ramani <kadavasalramaniSunday, May 24, 2009 6:53:17 PM Re: Rahu/Ketu

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends, Regarding Ramani ji's question on Rahu/Ketu, an abstract from "KP for Beginners- Part 11, KPE-zine April 2009" is provided as under. Regards, tw 45. A practice is found that if any planet is deposited in the star of Rahu/Ketu, then Rahu/Ketu will offer the results of that planet. (Astrosecrets Part I p 308; KPA 2002 p 40) However, as per KP that planet will give whatever Rahu/Ketu is to give but not Rahu/Ketu to give whatever that planet is to give. That is why Rahu/Ketu can give the result of a house by occupation, only when there is no planet in its stars. [KP Reader V pp 212, 274-5 (Old Edition pp 200, 236), Reader VI p 190, 282; C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatara Chintamani p 19]--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Rahu/Ketu"Tin Win" <tw853 >Sunday, May 24, 2009, 5:16 AM

 

Dear Sir,

 

In the file section of your article on Rahu/Ketu as reproduced from KP E-Zine of May 2007, Part III has reference about late Shri M.P.Shanmugam' s theory of

Rahu/Ketu as written by him in Astro Secrets Vol.I in Pag308 (1) : '' Any planet deposited in the stars of

Rahu/Ketu, it is Rahu/Ketu that will offer the resultss of that planet''. Suppose Jupiter is in the star of Ketu, it is

Ketu that will offer the results of Jupiter. This rule seems

to be new, not found in the text of KP in any of hs Readers

or examples. I wish to know whether you have tested

this Rule and found to be correct. I request you to enlighten members on this issue.

 

Regards,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

1. In the proposed basing of Ju & Ke in Le, in 7th house and Ju in star of Ke,

from the outset Ke is a significator of 7th house as per top priority

signification of Ke by conj. with Ju in 7th and Ke, as a Node is stronger than

planet Ju.

2. See whether there are planets in Rahu or Ketu star. If there are any, the

planets will signify the house occupied by Rahu and Ketu respectively. Suppose

there are none. Then Rahu or Ketu will acquire positional status for the house

occupied by it. (K. Subramaniam in Astrology for Beginners Vol 5 page 669)

3. In the proposed basing, if Ju is posited in 6th house, then Ra's

signification of 6th house by conj. with Ju is much stronger than Ra's

signification of 7th house by occupation. Ju is a stronger significator of 7th

by occupation of its sign lord Ra other than 6th by self occupation .

Regards,

tw

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> Most humbly I beg to say that i need some clarification on the issue.

> Supposing VII cusp extends from 2 degrees of Leo to 2 degrees of Virgo. 

(Approximately). Jupiter is placed at 9 degrees of Leo and Kethu at 15 degrees.

I wished to propose this basing on the message of Ramaniji. Now Kethu and

Jupiter both are significators of VII Bhava. So both are significators of

marriage. As per your statement in the message, Kethu can give the result of a

house by occupation, only when there is no planet in its star. That means in

this particular case, Kethu will not give result of VII Bhava because Jupiter

occupies star of Kethu. Hope I have rightly understood. So from the outset we

can exclude Kethu from the fruitful significators of VII and consider Jupiter

instead. Please spare few minutes to reply. Thanking you.

> With my respect to you.

> Dr. Rath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Tin Win <tw853

> ; Ramani <kadavasalramani

> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:53:17 PM

> Re: Rahu/Ketu

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>  

> Regarding Ramani ji's question on Rahu/Ketu, an abstract from  " KP for

Beginners- Part 11, KPE-zine April 2009 " is provided as under.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> tw

>  

>  

> 45. A practice is found that if any planet is deposited in the star of

Rahu/Ketu, then  Rahu/Ketu will offer the results of that planet. (Astrosecrets

Part I p 308; KPA 2002 p 40) However, as per KP that planet will give whatever

Rahu/Ketu is to give but not Rahu/Ketu to give whatever that planet is to give.

 That is why Rahu/Ketu can give the result of a house by occupation, only when

there is no planet in its stars. [KP Reader V pp 212, 274-5 (Old Edition pp 200,

236), Reader VI p 190, 282; C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatara Chintamani p 19]

>

> --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> Rahu/Ketu

> " Tin Win " <tw853 >

> Sunday, May 24, 2009, 5:16 AM

>

>

> Dear Sir,

>  

> In the file section of your article on Rahu/Ketu as reproduced from KP E-Zine

of May 2007, Part III has reference about late Shri M.P.Shanmugam' s theory of

> Rahu/Ketu as written by him in Astro Secrets Vol.I in Pag308 (1) : '' Any

planet deposited in the stars of

>  Rahu/Ketu, it is Rahu/Ketu that will offer the resultss of that planet''. 

Suppose Jupiter is in the star of Ketu, it is

> Ketu that will offer the results of Jupiter.  This rule seems

> to be new, not found in the text of KP in any of hs Readers

> or examples.  I wish to know whether you have tested

> this Rule and found to be correct.  I request you to enlighten members on this

issue.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> K.S.V.Ramani

>