should we remain silent ?? a reproduction of osho 's speach

June 30, 2008

Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many scandals involved? Vinod

Khanna? and other stuff's.

Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM

should we remain silent ?? a reproduction of

osho 's speach

JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are benefitted by reducing the

whole humanity into slaves, and all the powerful ones are going to be against

you.

AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent, the masses are poor;

they are not going to listen to me -- because what I can give to them? I can

give to them understanding, but they cannot eat understanding, they cannot live

by understanding. And their own conditioning is all that they have been taught

-- that it is wisdom.

It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being exploited, whose power

has been taken away by the powerful ones -- otherwise from where will they get

the power? -- they are also going to follow them. THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE

SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE WHOLE HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.

IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised humanity and its

consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never been heard -- although

they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE THAT EITHER

THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMAIN SILENT, OR THEY SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED.Those who

had not the courage -- seeing the whole thing -- have remained silent; but in

remaining silent you are also participating in the suffering the whole humanity

is going through.

Only very few people have spoken -- and they have been poisoned, crucified,

killed, assassinated. YOU HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR FRIENDS.You have been killing

those who have loved you so much that they were ready to sacrifice their life,

but not to remain silent. And you have followed your enemies, who are sucking

your blood every moment.

OSHO

The Messiah

Vol 2, Ch #4:

Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it on

http://in.promos./groups/bestof/

June 30, 2008

Hare ramakrishna

dear ramesh ji

Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old ratnakar ) is not our concern .

pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help u ,and we are not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or even main journalism these days ) .

hope its clear to u

we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of rivers and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that enlightened ,but i appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its good for physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or spirituality .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, ramesh tendulkar <ram_t_1968 wrote:>> Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many scandals involved? Vinod Khanna? and other stuff's.> > Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM> should we remain silent ?? a reproduction of osho 's speach> > > JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are benefitted by reducing the whole humanity into slaves, and all the powerful ones are going to be against you. > > AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent, the masses are poor; they are not going to listen to me -- because what I can give to them? I can give to them understanding, but they cannot eat understanding, they cannot live by understanding. And their own conditioning is all that they have been taught -- that it is wisdom.> > It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being exploited, whose power has been taken away by the powerful ones -- otherwise from where will they get the power? -- they are also going to follow them. THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE WHOLE HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.> > IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised humanity and its consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never been heard -- although they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE THAT EITHER THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMAIN SILENT, OR THEY SHOULD BE CRUCIFIED.Those who had not the courage -- seeing the whole thing -- have remained silent; but in remaining silent you are also participating in the suffering the whole humanity is going through.> > Only very few people have spoken -- and they have been poisoned, crucified, killed, assassinated. YOU HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR FRIENDS.You have been killing those who have loved you so much that they were ready to sacrifice their life, but not to remain silent. And you have followed your enemies, who are sucking your blood every moment.> > OSHO> The Messiah> Vol 2, Ch #4: > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it on http://in.promos./groups/bestof/>

June 30, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,

"we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of rivers"....

A good message to everyone....well said!

blessings

Renu

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear ramesh ji> > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old ratnakar )> is not our concern .> > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help u ,and we are> not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or even main> journalism these days ) .> > hope its clear to u> > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of rivers> and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that enlightened ,but i> appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its good for> physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or spirituality .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > , ramesh tendulkar> ram_t_1968@ wrote:> >> > Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many scandals> involved? Vinod Khanna? and other stuff's.> >> > Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)> >> >> >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM> > should we remain silent ?? a> reproduction of osho 's speach> >> >> > JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are benefitted by> reducing the whole humanity into slaves, and all the powerful ones are> going to be against you.> >> > AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent, the masses> are poor; they are not going to listen to me -- because what I can give> to them? I can give to them understanding, but they cannot eat> understanding, they cannot live by understanding. And their own> conditioning is all that they have been taught -- that it is wisdom.> >> > It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being exploited,> whose power has been taken away by the powerful ones -- otherwise from> where will they get the power? -- they are also going to follow them.> THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE WHOLE> HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.> >> > IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised humanity and> its consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never been heard> -- although they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY EFFORT HAS BEEN> MADE THAT EITHER THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMAIN SILENT, OR THEY SHOULD> BE CRUCIFIED.Those who had not the courage -- seeing the whole thing --> have remained silent; but in remaining silent you are also participating> in the suffering the whole humanity is going through.> >> > Only very few people have spoken -- and they have been poisoned,> crucified, killed, assassinated. YOU HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR FRIENDS.You> have been killing those who have loved you so much that they were ready> to sacrifice their life, but not to remain silent. And you have followed> your enemies, who are sucking your blood every moment.> >> > OSHO> > The Messiah> > Vol 2, Ch #4:> >> >> > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it> on http://in.promos./groups/bestof/> >>

June 30, 2008

Hare ramakrishna

dear renu ji

thanks and welcome

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > "we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of> rivers"....> > A good message to everyone....well said!> > blessings> > Renu> > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare ramakrishna> >> > dear ramesh ji> >> >> >> > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old ratnakar )> > is not our concern .> >> >> >> > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help u ,and we are> > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or even main> > journalism these days ) .> >> > hope its clear to u> >> >> >> > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of> rivers> > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that enlightened ,but i> > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its good for> > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or spirituality .> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> > , ramesh tendulkar> > ram_t_1968@ wrote:> > >> > > Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many scandals> > involved? Vinod Khanna? and other stuff's.> > >> > > Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM> > > should we remain silent ?? a> > reproduction of osho 's speach> > >> > >> > > JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are benefitted by> > reducing the whole humanity into slaves, and all the powerful ones are> > going to be against you.> > >> > > AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent, the masses> > are poor; they are not going to listen to me -- because what I can> give> > to them? I can give to them understanding, but they cannot eat> > understanding, they cannot live by understanding. And their own> > conditioning is all that they have been taught -- that it is wisdom.> > >> > > It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being exploited,> > whose power has been taken away by the powerful ones -- otherwise from> > where will they get the power? -- they are also going to follow them.> > THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE WHOLE> > HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.> > >> > > IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised humanity> and> > its consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never been heard> > -- although they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY EFFORT HAS> BEEN> > MADE THAT EITHER THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMAIN SILENT, OR THEY> SHOULD> > BE CRUCIFIED.Those who had not the courage -- seeing the whole thing> --> > have remained silent; but in remaining silent you are also> participating> > in the suffering the whole humanity is going through.> > >> > > Only very few people have spoken -- and they have been poisoned,> > crucified, killed, assassinated. YOU HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR> FRIENDS.You> > have been killing those who have loved you so much that they were> ready> > to sacrifice their life, but not to remain silent. And you have> followed> > your enemies, who are sucking your blood every moment.> > >> > > OSHO> > > The Messiah> > > Vol 2, Ch #4:> > >> > >> > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it> > on http://in.promos./groups/bestof/> > >> >>

June 30, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,

Namaste..

Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts or

deeds/actions??

I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but where thoughts

are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?

warmest regards

Sheevani

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna

>

> dear renu ji

>

> thanks and welcome

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >

> > " we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of

> > rivers " ....

> >

> > A good message to everyone....well said!

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna

> > >

> > > dear ramesh ji

> > >

> > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old

ratnakar )

> > > is not our concern .

> > >

> > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help u ,and

we

> are

> > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or even

> main

> > > journalism these days ) .

> > >

> > > hope its clear to u

> > >

> > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of

> > rivers

> > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that enlightened ,but i

> > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its good

for

> > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or spirituality .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > > , ramesh

tendulkar

> > > ram_t_1968@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many scandals

> > > involved? Vinod Khanna? and other stuff's.

> > > >

> > > > Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM

> > > > should we remain

silent ?? a

> > > reproduction of osho 's speach

> > > >

> > > > JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are benefitted

by

> > > reducing the whole humanity into slaves, and all the powerful

ones

> are

> > > going to be against you.

> > > >

> > > > AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent, the

> masses

> > > are poor; they are not going to listen to me -- because what I

can

> > give

> > > to them? I can give to them understanding, but they cannot eat

> > > understanding, they cannot live by understanding. And their own

> > > conditioning is all that they have been taught -- that it is

wisdom.

> > > >

> > > > It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being

> exploited,

> > > whose power has been taken away by the powerful ones --

otherwise

> from

> > > where will they get the power? -- they are also going to follow

> them.

> > > THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE

WHOLE

> > > HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.

> > > >

> > > > IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised

humanity

> > and

> > > its consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never been

> heard

> > > -- although they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY EFFORT

HAS

> > BEEN

> > > MADE THAT EITHER THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMAIN SILENT, OR THEY

> > SHOULD

> > > BE CRUCIFIED.Those who had not the courage -- seeing the whole

thing

> > --

> > > have remained silent; but in remaining silent you are also

> > participating

> > > in the suffering the whole humanity is going through.

> > > >

> > > > Only very few people have spoken -- and they have been

poisoned,

> > > crucified, killed, assassinated. YOU HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR

> > FRIENDS.You

> > > have been killing those who have loved you so much that they

were

> > ready

> > > to sacrifice their life, but not to remain silent. And you have

> > followed

> > > your enemies, who are sucking your blood every moment.

> > > >

> > > > OSHO

> > > > The Messiah

> > > > Vol 2, Ch #4:

> > > >

> > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we

have

> it

> > > on http://in.promos./groups/bestof/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 30, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear sheevani ji

Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in celestial song called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i follow it too blindly .

mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and fruits .

in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem or even a curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana ( means u afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some one ) /or u said bad abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see in that order amd predict remedies .

Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .

hope i made it clear now

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalxmai namah .

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > Namaste..> > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts or > deeds/actions?? > > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but where thoughts > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?> > > warmest regards> Sheevani> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > dear renu ji> > > > > > > > thanks and welcome> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > "we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of> > > rivers"....> > >> > > A good message to everyone....well said!> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > >> > > > dear ramesh ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old > ratnakar )> > > > is not our concern .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help u ,and > we> > are> > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or even> > main> > > > journalism these days ) .> > > >> > > > hope its clear to u> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for origins of> > > rivers> > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that enlightened ,but i> > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its good > for> > > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or spirituality .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , ramesh > tendulkar> > > > ram_t_1968@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many scandals> > > > involved? Vinod Khanna? and other stuff's.> > > > >> > > > > Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM> > > > > should we remain > silent ?? a> > > > reproduction of osho 's speach> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are benefitted > by> > > > reducing the whole humanity into slaves, and all the powerful > ones> > are> > > > going to be against you.> > > > >> > > > > AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent, the> > masses> > > > are poor; they are not going to listen to me -- because what I > can> > > give> > > > to them? I can give to them understanding, but they cannot eat> > > > understanding, they cannot live by understanding. And their own> > > > conditioning is all that they have been taught -- that it is > wisdom.> > > > >> > > > > It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being> > exploited,> > > > whose power has been taken away by the powerful ones -- > otherwise> > from> > > > where will they get the power? -- they are also going to follow> > them.> > > > THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE > WHOLE> > > > HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.> > > > >> > > > > IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised > humanity> > > and> > > > its consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never been> > heard> > > > -- although they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY EFFORT > HAS> > > BEEN> > > > MADE THAT EITHER THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMAIN SILENT, OR THEY> > > SHOULD> > > > BE CRUCIFIED.Those who had not the courage -- seeing the whole > thing> > > --> > > > have remained silent; but in remaining silent you are also> > > participating> > > > in the suffering the whole humanity is going through.> > > > >> > > > > Only very few people have spoken -- and they have been > poisoned,> > > > crucified, killed, assassinated. YOU HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR> > > FRIENDS.You> > > > have been killing those who have loved you so much that they > were> > > ready> > > > to sacrifice their life, but not to remain silent. And you have> > > followed> > > > your enemies, who are sucking your blood every moment.> > > > >> > > > > OSHO> > > > > The Messiah> > > > > Vol 2, Ch #4:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we > have> > it> > > > on http://in.promos./groups/bestof/> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

July 4, 2008

Dear Sunilji,

Namaste..

Thank you for your reply.. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging your

kind reply..

My Guru Mahadasha has began, and not been auspicious so far.. Still I

shall keep a smile on the face, once the bad things are over, there

will be more room for 'GOOD' things to happen!!!

warmest regards

Sheevani

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear sheevani ji

>

> Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in celestial song

> called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i follow

it

> too blindly .

>

> mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and fruits .

>

> in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem or even

a

> curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana ( means u

> afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some one ) /or u

said bad

> abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see in that

order

> amd predict remedies .

>

> Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .

>

> hope i made it clear now

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalxmai namah .

>

> , " sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >

> > Namaste..

> >

> > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts or

> > deeds/actions??

> >

> > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but where

thoughts

> > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna

> > >

> > > dear renu ji

> > >

> > > thanks and welcome

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > " we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for

origins of

> > > > rivers " ....

> > > >

> > > > A good message to everyone....well said!

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear ramesh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old

> > ratnakar )

> > > > > is not our concern .

> > > > >

> > > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help

u ,and

> > we

> > > are

> > > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or

even

> > > main

> > > > > journalism these days ) .

> > > > >

> > > > > hope its clear to u

> > > > >

> > > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for

origins of

> > > > rivers

> > > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that

enlightened ,but i

> > > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its

good

> > for

> > > > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or

spirituality .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > , ramesh

> > tendulkar

> > > > > ram_t_1968@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is Osho a saint or a Preacher? Why was there so many

scandals

> > > > > involved? Vinod Khanna? and other stuff's.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nice article! (AGAINST WAR!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Monday, 30 June, 2008 7:01:15 PM

> > > > > > should we remain

> > silent ?? a

> > > > > reproduction of osho 's speach

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JUST MAKE A SINGLE STATEMENTagainst those who are

benefitted

> > by

> > > > > reducing the whole humanity into slaves, and all the

powerful

> > ones

> > > are

> > > > > going to be against you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AND THE MASSES ARE BLIND, the masses are not intelligent,

the

> > > masses

> > > > > are poor; they are not going to listen to me -- because

what I

> > can

> > > > give

> > > > > to them? I can give to them understanding, but they cannot

eat

> > > > > understanding, they cannot live by understanding. And their

own

> > > > > conditioning is all that they have been taught -- that it is

> > wisdom.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not only the powerful ones but those who are being

> > > exploited,

> > > > > whose power has been taken away by the powerful ones --

> > otherwise

> > > from

> > > > > where will they get the power? -- they are also going to

follow

> > > them.

> > > > > THE POWERFUL ONES ARE THE SHEPHERDS,AND THEY HAVE REDUCED

THE

> > WHOLE

> > > > > HUMANITY TO A CROWD OF SHEEP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IT IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLEthat those who could have raised

> > humanity

> > > > and

> > > > > its consciousness to such beauty, wisdom and joy have never

been

> > > heard

> > > > > -- although they were shouting from the housetops. EVERY

EFFORT

> > HAS

> > > > BEEN

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July 4, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear shivani ji

Thanks for reply and i welcome ur comments as always .

as regrds to ur Jup dasa did we discuss here and as a grp policy we dont read for clients or even for most prominent memebrs here in this grp .

Then u r lucky to hav a guru who is in ur proximity , who has devinity in him and averts any danger ,even he changed tibet problem ,reduce rapes in delhi and a big list is there ,lately cured a cancer patient .

so why dont u use his services and tell grp how he used devine power and help u ,U canct him only when danger is near .so we can also learn wat is spiritual astrology .

hope u will take this mail in posiitiv spirit.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Namaste..> > Thank you for your reply.. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging your > kind reply..> > My Guru Mahadasha has began, and not been auspicious so far.. Still I > shall keep a smile on the face, once the bad things are over, there > will be more room for 'GOOD' things to happen!!!> > warmest regards> Sheevani> > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > > > dear sheevani ji> > > > > > > > Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in celestial song> > called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i follow > it> > too blindly .> > > > mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and fruits .> > > > > > > > in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem or even > a> > curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana ( means u> > afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some one ) /or u > said bad> > abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see in that > order> > amd predict remedies .> > > > > > > > Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .> > > > > > > > hope i made it clear now> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalxmai namah .> > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > Namaste..> > >> > > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts or> > > deeds/actions??> > >> > > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but where > thoughts> > > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?> > >> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear renu ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks and welcome> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "renunw" > <renunw@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > >> > > > > "we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for > origins of> > > > > rivers"....> > > > >> > > > > A good message to everyone....well said!> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > >> > > > > > dear ramesh ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi (old> > > ratnakar )> > > > > > is not our concern .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help > u ,and> > > we> > > > are> > > > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .( or > even> > > > main> > > > > > journalism these days ) .> > > > > >> > > > > > hope its clear to u> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for > origins of> > > > > rivers> > > > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that > enlightened ,but i> > > > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but its > good> > > for> > > > > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or > spirituality .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>

July 4, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,

Namaste,,

Your response did make me smile... I was not fishing for an analysis,

it was just a statement of fact.. exalted planets gives quick

results,. 8H brings sorrow/grief and ill health. and that is exactly

what I am experiencing.. My father passed away recently.

But Guru as my lagna lord, cant be all bad, so, as soon as he has

finished dispensing the fruits of inauspicious placement, He can give

good results of his house ownerships..

As regards the other 'GURU', I understand what you are saying,, but I

bear no malace to anyone,, let people believe wantever they want,

because Reality/Time has a sure way of knocking people into the right

size and shape..

Who am I to judge anybody? We all have a role to play in the drama of

this incarnation, and all interactions are opportunities to create

new karma or repay/reward past karmas..

My warmest regards to you and your family..

Sheevani

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear shivani ji

>

> Thanks for reply and i welcome ur comments as always .

>

> as regrds to ur Jup dasa did we discuss here and as a grp policy we

dont

> read for clients or even for most prominent memebrs here in this

grp .

>

> Then u r lucky to hav a guru who is in ur proximity , who has

devinity

> in him and averts any danger ,even he changed tibet problem ,reduce

> rapes in delhi and a big list is there ,lately cured a cancer

patient .

>

> so why dont u use his services and tell grp how he used devine

power and

> help u ,U canct him only when danger is near .so we can also learn

wat

> is spiritual astrology .

>

> hope u will take this mail in posiitiv spirit.

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> , " sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > Namaste..

> >

> > Thank you for your reply.. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging

your

> > kind reply..

> >

> > My Guru Mahadasha has began, and not been auspicious so far..

Still I

> > shall keep a smile on the face, once the bad things are over,

there

> > will be more room for 'GOOD' things to happen!!!

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear sheevani ji

> > >

> > > Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in celestial

song

> > > called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i

follow

> > it

> > > too blindly .

> > >

> > > mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and

fruits .

> > >

> > > in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem or

even

> > a

> > > curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana ( means

u

> > > afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some one ) /or u

> > said bad

> > > abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see in

that

> > order

> > > amd predict remedies .

> > >

> > > Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .

> > >

> > > hope i made it clear now

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalxmai namah .

> > >

> > > , " sheevani147 "

> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste..

> > > >

> > > > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts or

> > > > deeds/actions??

> > > >

> > > > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but where

> > thoughts

> > > > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear renu ji

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and welcome

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for

> > origins of

> > > > > > rivers " ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A good message to everyone....well said!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " sunil

nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear ramesh ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi

(old

> > > > ratnakar )

> > > > > > > is not our concern .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help

> > u ,and

> > > > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists here .

( or

> > even

> > > > > main

> > > > > > > journalism these days ) .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hope its clear to u

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for

> > origins of

> > > > > > rivers

> > > > > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that

> > enlightened ,but i

> > > > > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but

its

> > good

> > > > for

> > > > > > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or

> > spirituality .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

>

July 5, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear shivani ji

sorry to hear abt ur father death ,My condolense s ,

OK ,if u were saying a general opinion abt ur dasa ,i thout we had a dsicussion in grp .

,as far as other guru i said seriously and if we can do reserch on rishi horas then why i or u shud avoid some thing by casual remark as let god take care or such remarks or i dont hav malice towards none ,

Then there wont be the mahabharath war .

we shud hav courage to say who is fake or who is right ,other wise it will giv a impression that we r also co party in that fake drama .I think atleast astrology dont teach us to show high selfishness or cunning reply s.

i am saying my opinions as i always said openly .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Namaste,,> > Your response did make me smile... I was not fishing for an analysis, > it was just a statement of fact.. exalted planets gives quick > results,. 8H brings sorrow/grief and ill health. and that is exactly > what I am experiencing.. My father passed away recently.> > But Guru as my lagna lord, cant be all bad, so, as soon as he has > finished dispensing the fruits of inauspicious placement, He can give > good results of his house ownerships..> > > As regards the other 'GURU', I understand what you are saying,, but I > bear no malace to anyone,, let people believe wantever they want, > because Reality/Time has a sure way of knocking people into the right > size and shape..> > Who am I to judge anybody? We all have a role to play in the drama of > this incarnation, and all interactions are opportunities to create > new karma or repay/reward past karmas..> > My warmest regards to you and your family..> Sheevani> >

July 5, 2008

dear sheevani and sunilji,

just read your messages...and i too smiled. good that we can all

smile, isn't it? this is what internet does...it passes on some

energies of people even if u may have never met them...

maybe we can discuss what astrology has done to us spiritually....

initially for me it was wanting to know the " unknown " ...to see how

life patterns and personality characteristics fit in with what the

chart " says " . of course, there was no way of knowing fully what the

chart " said " ...as we have seen on this forum and so many such

forums.Sometimes the signals are strong, sometimes weak, and

sometimes we catch the wrong signals or no signals at all. but

putting up my antenna to catch the signals is what astrology did to

me in the beginning.

later on i realised that putting up my antenna to tune in with other

things in life was equally important, thanks once again to the grace

of guru. shreenadh was the one to talk about astrology being a study

of TIME! Now time may be linear or circular or maaya, i dont

know...but there is definitely some quality about time which unfolds

with the dashas. to just sit and observe this is a great experience.

but then even greater than that appears to be to just and observe

each moment of the present as it unfolds. all the gurus say that we

must live the present moment fully and most CONSCIOUSLY for that is

all that there is to life....NO REGRETS...NO EXPECTATIONS!

so what happens to astrology then?

it kind of dissappears, dosn't it?

for those who can live fully in the moment with perfect

consciousness, like our sages, there is no time and there is no

astrology.

maybe that is what spiritual astrology is...a stepping stone to

jump?????????

to jump TIME??????????????????????????????

i hope we are all smiling now!!!

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> Namaste,,

>

> Your response did make me smile... I was not fishing for an

analysis,

> it was just a statement of fact.. exalted planets gives quick

> results,. 8H brings sorrow/grief and ill health. and that is

exactly

> what I am experiencing.. My father passed away recently.

>

> But Guru as my lagna lord, cant be all bad, so, as soon as he has

> finished dispensing the fruits of inauspicious placement, He can

give

> good results of his house ownerships..

>

> As regards the other 'GURU', I understand what you are saying,,

but I

> bear no malace to anyone,, let people believe wantever they want,

> because Reality/Time has a sure way of knocking people into the

right

> size and shape..

>

> Who am I to judge anybody? We all have a role to play in the drama

of

> this incarnation, and all interactions are opportunities to create

> new karma or repay/reward past karmas..

>

> My warmest regards to you and your family..

> Sheevani

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear shivani ji

> >

> > Thanks for reply and i welcome ur comments as always .

> >

> > as regrds to ur Jup dasa did we discuss here and as a grp policy

we

> dont

> > read for clients or even for most prominent memebrs here in this

> grp .

> >

> > Then u r lucky to hav a guru who is in ur proximity , who has

> devinity

> > in him and averts any danger ,even he changed tibet

problem ,reduce

> > rapes in delhi and a big list is there ,lately cured a cancer

> patient .

> >

> > so why dont u use his services and tell grp how he used devine

> power and

> > help u ,U canct him only when danger is near .so we can also

learn

> wat

> > is spiritual astrology .

> >

> > hope u will take this mail in posiitiv spirit.

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> > , " sheevani147 "

> > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunilji,

> > >

> > > Namaste..

> > >

> > > Thank you for your reply.. Sorry for the delay in

acknowledging

> your

> > > kind reply..

> > >

> > > My Guru Mahadasha has began, and not been auspicious so far..

> Still I

> > > shall keep a smile on the face, once the bad things are over,

> there

> > > will be more room for 'GOOD' things to happen!!!

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > >

> > > > dear sheevani ji

> > > >

> > > > Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in

celestial

> song

> > > > called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i

> follow

> > > it

> > > > too blindly .

> > > >

> > > > mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and

> fruits .

> > > >

> > > > in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem

or

> even

> > > a

> > > > curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana (

means

> u

> > > > afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some

one ) /or u

> > > said bad

> > > > abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see

in

> that

> > > order

> > > > amd predict remedies .

> > > >

> > > > Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .

> > > >

> > > > hope i made it clear now

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalxmai namah .

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " sheevani147 "

> > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste..

> > > > >

> > > > > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts

or

> > > > > deeds/actions??

> > > > >

> > > > > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but

where

> > > thoughts

> > > > > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sunil

nair "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear renu ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks and welcome

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for

> > > origins of

> > > > > > > rivers " ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A good message to everyone....well said!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > blessings

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Renu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " sunil

> nair "

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear ramesh ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi

> (old

> > > > > ratnakar )

> > > > > > > > is not our concern .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can

help

> > > u ,and

> > > > > we

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists

here .

> ( or

> > > even

> > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > journalism these days ) .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hope its clear to u

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for

> > > origins of

> > > > > > > rivers

> > > > > > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that

> > > enlightened ,but i

> > > > > > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn

approach ,but

> its

> > > good

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or

> > > spirituality .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> >

>

July 5, 2008

Namaste Sheevani

Heartiest condolences to you and your

family over the passing away of your Father …..

May Shri Ram bless his soul ……

Best wishes as ever ……..

Jai Sita Ram

Ram

On Behalf Of sheevani147

04 July 2008 22:56

Subject:

Re: should we remain silent ?? a reproduction of

osho 's speach

Dear Sunil ji,

Namaste,,

Your response did make me smile... I was not fishing for an analysis,

it was just a statement of fact.. exalted planets gives quick

results,. 8H brings sorrow/grief and ill health. and that is exactly

what I am experiencing.. My father passed away recently.

But Guru as my lagna lord, cant be all bad, so, as soon as he has

finished dispensing the fruits of inauspicious placement, He can give

good results of his house ownerships..

As regards the other 'GURU', I understand what you are saying,, but I

bear no malace to anyone,, let people believe wantever they want,

because Reality/Time has a sure way of knocking people into the right

size and shape..

Who am I to judge anybody? We all have a role to play in the drama of

this incarnation, and all interactions are opportunities to create

new karma or repay/reward past karmas..

My warmest regards to you and your family..

Sheevani

,

" sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear shivani ji

>

> Thanks for reply and i welcome ur

comments as always .

>

> as regrds to ur

Jup dasa did we discuss here and as a grp policy we

dont

> read for clients or even for most prominent memebrs here in this

grp .

>

> Then u r lucky to hav a guru who is in ur proximity , who has

devinity

> in him and averts any danger ,even he changed tibet problem ,reduce

> rapes in delhi

and a big list is there ,lately cured a cancer

patient .

>

> so why dont u use his services and tell grp how he used devine

power and

> help u ,U canct him only when danger is near .so we can also learn

wat

> is spiritual astrology .

>

> hope u will take this mail in posiitiv spirit.

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ,

" sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > Namaste..

> >

> > Thank you for your reply.. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging

your

> > kind reply..

> >

> > My Guru Mahadasha has began, and not been auspicious so far..

Still I

> > shall keep a smile on the face, once the bad things are over,

there

> > will be more room for 'GOOD' things to happen!!!

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > ,

" sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear sheevani ji

> > >

> > > Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in celestial

song

> > > called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i

follow

> > it

> > > too blindly .

> > >

> > > mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and

fruits .

> > >

> > > in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem or

even

> > a

> > > curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana ( means

u

> > > afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some one ) /or u

> > said bad

> > > abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see in

that

> > order

> > > amd predict remedies .

> > >

> > > Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .

> > >

> > > hope i made it clear now

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalxmai namah .

> > >

> > > ,

" sheevani147 "

> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste..

> > > >

> > > > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis..

thoughts or

> > > > deeds/actions??

> > > >

> > > > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but

where

> > thoughts

> > > > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ,

" sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear renu ji

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and welcome

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

" renunw "

> > <renunw@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " we take the messge only(essense ) and dont

search for

> > origins of

> > > > > > rivers " ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A good message to everyone....well said!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

" sunil

nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear ramesh ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint

or rishi

(old

> > > > ratnakar )

> > > > > > > is not our concern .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can help

> > u ,and

> > > > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow

journalists here .

( or

> > even

> > > > > main

> > > > > > > journalism these days ) .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hope its clear to u

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont

search for

> > origins of

> > > > > > rivers

> > > > > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that

> > enlightened ,but i

> > > > > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn approach ,but

its

> > good

> > > > for

> > > > > > > physical sciences than subjucts like

astrology or

> > spirituality .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

>

July 5, 2008

Dear Ram ji.

Namaste..

Thank you for your kindness and concern.. It is much appreciated.

Life is a journey and death is the only certainty.

warmest regards

Sheevani

July 5, 2008

Dear Vinita ji, The true realization encapsulated in the your words may escape the attention some, but at least the ones who were sincerely in the path may not miss it, I trust. True understanding and realization should about anything should come from within; same is the case with astrology. We all may have our own antena; yes, as applicable to astrology or any other subject or the worldly life; or simply thoughts in broad sense. Some signels we get, some not, some weak and some strong. Astrology is a tool to know or know not the destiny; it is another path to true spirituality. Time..... is the mediaum....Both our lifespan and the time we study about... Where what started...where it ends...who knows....or is that relevant?Love,Sreenadh , "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> dear sheevani and sunilji,> > just read your messages...and i too smiled. good that we can all > smile, isn't it? this is what internet does...it passes on some > energies of people even if u may have never met them...> > maybe we can discuss what astrology has done to us spiritually.... > initially for me it was wanting to know the "unknown"...to see how > life patterns and personality characteristics fit in with what the > chart "says". of course, there was no way of knowing fully what the > chart "said"...as we have seen on this forum and so many such > forums.Sometimes the signals are strong, sometimes weak, and > sometimes we catch the wrong signals or no signals at all. but > putting up my antenna to catch the signals is what astrology did to > me in the beginning.> > later on i realised that putting up my antenna to tune in with other > things in life was equally important, thanks once again to the grace > of guru. shreenadh was the one to talk about astrology being a study > of TIME! Now time may be linear or circular or maaya, i dont > know...but there is definitely some quality about time which unfolds > with the dashas. to just sit and observe this is a great experience. > > but then even greater than that appears to be to just and observe > each moment of the present as it unfolds. all the gurus say that we > must live the present moment fully and most CONSCIOUSLY for that is > all that there is to life....NO REGRETS...NO EXPECTATIONS!> > so what happens to astrology then? > > it kind of dissappears, dosn't it?> > for those who can live fully in the moment with perfect > consciousness, like our sages, there is no time and there is no > astrology.> > maybe that is what spiritual astrology is...a stepping stone to > jump?????????> > to jump TIME??????????????????????????????> > i hope we are all smiling now!!!> > > > , "sheevani147" > sheevani147@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > Namaste,,> > > > Your response did make me smile... I was not fishing for an > analysis, > > it was just a statement of fact.. exalted planets gives quick > > results,. 8H brings sorrow/grief and ill health. and that is > exactly > > what I am experiencing.. My father passed away recently.> > > > But Guru as my lagna lord, cant be all bad, so, as soon as he has > > finished dispensing the fruits of inauspicious placement, He can > give > > good results of his house ownerships..> > > > > > As regards the other 'GURU', I understand what you are saying,, > but I > > bear no malace to anyone,, let people believe wantever they want, > > because Reality/Time has a sure way of knocking people into the > right > > size and shape..> > > > Who am I to judge anybody? We all have a role to play in the drama > of > > this incarnation, and all interactions are opportunities to create > > new karma or repay/reward past karmas..> > > > My warmest regards to you and your family..> > Sheevani> > > > > > , "sunil nair" > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > dear shivani ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reply and i welcome ur comments as always .> > > > > > > > > > > > as regrds to ur Jup dasa did we discuss here and as a grp policy > we > > dont> > > read for clients or even for most prominent memebrs here in this > > grp .> > > > > > Then u r lucky to hav a guru who is in ur proximity , who has > > devinity> > > in him and averts any danger ,even he changed tibet > problem ,reduce> > > rapes in delhi and a big list is there ,lately cured a cancer > > patient .> > > > > > so why dont u use his services and tell grp how he used devine > > power and> > > help u ,U canct him only when danger is near .so we can also > learn > > wat> > > is spiritual astrology .> > > > > > > > > > > > hope u will take this mail in posiitiv spirit.> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunilji,> > > >> > > > Namaste..> > > >> > > > Thank you for your reply.. Sorry for the delay in > acknowledging > > your> > > > kind reply..> > > >> > > > My Guru Mahadasha has began, and not been auspicious so far.. > > Still I> > > > shall keep a smile on the face, once the bad things are over, > > there> > > > will be more room for 'GOOD' things to happen!!!> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear sheevani ji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Its very well explained by srikrishna as yogiswara in > celestial > > song> > > > > called bhagavath gheetha and i am not enlightened much so i > > follow> > > > it> > > > > too blindly .> > > > >> > > > > mind is like seed and deeds and actions are its plants and > > fruits .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > in astro also we see in kerala tru prashna how some problem > or > > even> > > > a> > > > > curse originated ,by this way manasa ,vacha ,or karmana ( > means > > u> > > > > afflict some one by mind ( u wanted to destroy some > one ) /or u> > > > said bad> > > > > abt some one to some one / or u did it by actions ) we see > in > > that> > > > order> > > > > amd predict remedies .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Noble thoughts will originate in noble mind only .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hope i made it clear now> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalxmai namah .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste..> > > > > >> > > > > > Which should carry greater importance/emphasis.. thoughts > or> > > > > > deeds/actions??> > > > > >> > > > > > I know in most cases one is because of the other.. but > where> > > > thoughts> > > > > > are noble and deeds doubtful.. how does one reconsile it?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > >> > > > > > , "sunil > nair"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear renu ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks and welcome> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for> > > > origins of> > > > > > > > rivers"....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A good message to everyone....well said!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "sunil > > nair"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear ramesh ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Osho is saint or sinner or valmiki is saint or rishi > > (old> > > > > > ratnakar )> > > > > > > > > is not our concern .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > pls search it individualy and only ur awareness can > help> > > > u ,and> > > > > > we> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > not abhinava mantharas called yellow journalists > here .> > ( or> > > > even> > > > > > > main> > > > > > > > > journalism these days ) .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hope its clear to u> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > we take the messge only(essense ) and dont search for> > > > origins of> > > > > > > > rivers> > > > > > > > > and mahtamas it says so ,again i am not that> > > > enlightened ,but i> > > > > > > > > appreaciate ur way of question and learn > approach ,but > > its> > > > good> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > physical sciences than subjucts like astrology or> > > > spirituality .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > >> >>

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