Saraswati's Curse on Astrologers!!??And rishis ???

June 28, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,

"so all this act like a flow which forms like a river which flows frm time immomorial and it has gr8 influence the pyche of society ."

Agreed...and thanks... You have conveyed your message beautifully.

blessings

Renu

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > hare rama krishna> > dear renu ji> > > > All thse storys i read long back and always given the reasons for it> in the epics itself ,It say if my memory is correct even the the hunter> who killed krishna was bali in last birth and krishna was sreeram who> killed by bali by shooting arrow while he was in a fight .> > > > so why can we think this rishis were also instrument in fulfilling the> karmic effect and if see in its extreme the mother means the mother> nature is also protesting ,exmple earth quacks and droughts and famine> and no rain ,no water> > > > so keep teaching good lessons in various ways is also a part of dharmic> activity .> > > > It will b very rare a jesus can b crucified in india or a mohamed will> chase out by society ,(offcource on individual level its possible ) but> think abt the other societies where every prophet is being hounded or> killed or humiliated ?> > > > so all this act like a flow which forms like a river which flows frm> time immomorial and it has gr8 influence the pyche of society .> > > > hope i convey what i wanted to say ,any mistake dear grp forgiv and> correct me> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> >> > Thanks for the interesting stories...and I do love reading them.> >> > "rishis are very evolved and noble souls ,but it does not mean that we> > will go un touched by our karmas resulting frm hurting ,insulting or> > making their life miserable ."> >> > Please consider that I am not trying to argue with you...but still I> > cannot understand how an evolved and a noble soul would fall pray to> > anger and curse someone. Would Rishi Kumara's father, the sanyasi,> have> > cursed King Dasaratha if it was someone other than Rishi Kumara who> got> > killed by the King? An evolved soul should be free from anger and> > totally unselfish.> >> > Let me give you an example from Mahabharata...[i know everyone here> > should be well versed in Mahabharatha than I ...so correct me if I am> > wrong]> >> > "The only son of a Brahmin woman, Gautami, was bitten by a snake. The> > boy died. A snake charmer caught the snake., brought it to the woman> and> > asked her how he should kill it; cut it to pieces or burn it alive.> The> > woman asked him to leave the snake alone, alive, since none could do> > anything against the strokes of destiny; to do anything in this matter> > like killing the snake would be a sin. In any case, her dead son would> > not come back to life now.> >> > The argument went on and the wise woman said that the death of her son> > had not caused her agony as the boy had met his destiny."......the> story> > goes on...and I am sure most of you are aware of it. Finally it is> said> > that the snake was only instrumental in fulfilling the karma of that> > boy. If a mere woman could realize that punishing the cuprit would not> > bring her son back to her, why could not Rishi Kumara's Sanyasi father> > see that vital truth? I think Gautami is more evolved and noble than> the> > Rishis you have mentioned in your mail, Sunil ji.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear renu ji> > >> > > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble souls> > > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas> > resulting> > > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .> > >> > >> > >> > > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind> rishi> > (> > > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed by> > > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the technic of> > > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real word> for> > > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and the> > > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same> sound> > > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the> > direction> > > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not deliberate> > ,and> > > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat> happened> > > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son> during> > > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits will> > > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )> > >> > >> > >> > > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction of> yadava> > > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in Mahabharatha )> .> > >> > > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a rishi> > > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .> > >> > > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and it was> > > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings and> this> > > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch them .So> > > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at peak ,they> > used> > > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .> > >> > >> > >> > > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a pregnant> > woman> > > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender of> > this> > > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their> > activities> > > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body> dared> > > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an iron> bar> > > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i think> > sri> > > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and> > > remaining peice also trown away .> > >> > >> > >> > > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long> > bamboo> > > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the poles> as> > > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population is> dead> > > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one arrow> hit> > > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet and> it> > > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .> > >> > >> > >> > > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies and> girls> > > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters attacked he> > > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery power> ,which> > > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt kind> > of> > > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .> > >> > >> > >> > > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am> > writing> > > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with me> > now> > > as i am far away frm nativ place )> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair.> > >> > >> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah>

June 28, 2008

Dear Chandu2chill ji,

'That lady (Gautami), not just " wise Woman " she's called " NOBLE WOMAN "

in my humble opinion "

Thanks for pointing out this. Since I have not read Mahabharatha the

piece I wrote, I copied word to word ...from Sri K. N. Rao's book

.... " Astrology Destiny and the Wheel of Time " .

Anyway according to my perceptives noblility can be achieved not by

birth but by one's actions. Such noble actions would be guided by

wisdom...not the wisdom gained by passing college exams but wisdom

achieved by seeing the world as it is. Hence I don't see much

difference between 'wise woman' and 'noble woman'. A truly noble woman

will be worldy-wise and a truly wise woman will be absolutely noble.

blessings

Renu

, " Chandu2chill "

<nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu Ji,

>

> If i may add my two cents..

>

> That lady (Gautami), not just " wise Woman " she's called " NOBLE WOMAN "

> in my humble opinion

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> //The argument went on and the wise woman said that the death of her

> son had not caused her agony as the boy had met his destiny. " .//

>

> , " renunw "

> renunw@ wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> Thanks for the interesting stories...and I do love reading them.

>

> > " rishis are very evolved and noble souls ,but it does not mean that

> we

> > will go un touched by our karmas resulting frm hurting ,insulting or

> > making their life miserable . "

> >

> > Please consider that I am not trying to argue with you...but still I

> > cannot understand how an evolved and a noble soul would fall pray to

> > anger and curse someone. Would Rishi Kumara's father, the sanyasi,

> have

> > cursed King Dasaratha if it was someone other than Rishi Kumara who

> got

> > killed by the King? An evolved soul should be free from anger and

> > totally unselfish.

> >

> > Let me give you an example from Mahabharata...[i know everyone here

> > should be well versed in Mahabharatha than I ...so correct me if I

> am

> > wrong]

> >

> > " The only son of a Brahmin woman, Gautami, was bitten by a snake.

> The

> > boy died. A snake charmer caught the snake., brought it to the

> woman and

> > asked her how he should kill it; cut it to pieces or burn it alive.

> The

> > woman asked him to leave the snake alone, alive, since none could do

> > anything against the strokes of destiny; to do anything in this

> matter

> > like killing the snake would be a sin. In any case, her dead son

> would

> > not come back to life now.

> >

> > The argument went on and the wise woman said that the death of her

> son

> > had not caused her agony as the boy had met his destiny. " ......the

> story

> > goes on...and I am sure most of you are aware of it. Finally it is

> said

> > that the snake was only instrumental in fulfilling the karma of that

> > boy. If a mere woman could realize that punishing the cuprit would

> not

> > bring her son back to her, why could not Rishi Kumara's Sanyasi

> father

> > see that vital truth? I think Gautami is more evolved and noble

> than the

> > Rishis you have mentioned in your mail, Sunil ji.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear renu ji

> > >

> > > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble souls

> > > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas

> > resulting

> > > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .

> > >

> > > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind

> rishi

> > (

> > > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed

> by

> > > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the technic

> of

> > > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real

> word for

> > > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and

> the

> > > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same

> sound

> > > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the

> > direction

> > > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not deliberate

> > ,and

> > > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat

> happened

> > > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son

> during

> > > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits

> will

> > > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )

> > >

> > > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction of

> yadava

> > > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in

> Mahabharatha ) .

> > >

> > > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a

> rishi

> > > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .

> > >

> > > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and it

> was

> > > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings and

> this

> > > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch

> them .So

> > > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at

> peak ,they

> > used

> > > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .

> > >

> > > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a pregnant

> > woman

> > > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender

> of

> > this

> > > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their

> > activities

> > > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body

> dared

> > > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an

> iron bar

> > > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i

> think

> > sri

> > > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and

> > > remaining peice also trown away .

> > >

> > > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long

> > bamboo

> > > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the

> poles as

> > > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population is

> dead

> > > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one arrow

> hit

> > > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet

> and it

> > > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .

> > >

> > > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies and

> girls

> > > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters attacked

> he

> > > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery

> power ,which

> > > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt

> kind

> > of

> > > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .

> > >

> > > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am

> > writing

> > > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with

> me

> > now

> > > as i am far away frm nativ place )

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair.

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " renunw " renunw@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks...for the reply.

> > > >

> > > > " see even they dont hav a valid reason why saraswathi shud curse

> > > certain

> > > > ppl who handles some branch of knowledge .And she is supposed

> to b

> > > > godess of learning .'

> > > >

> > > > Exactly...controversial statements. Sounds stupid.

> > > >

> > > > " other wise even rishis curse with a solution given .And they

> hav

> > > valid

> > > > reason too .if u check on puranas "

> > > >

> > > > What do you mean? That risihis DO curse...and they have valid

> > reasons

> > > > for that?

> > > >

> > > > Rishis are supposed to be good people. Right? So why would they

> > curse

> > > > anyone? [i'm ignorant on this...that is why asking from you.]

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 28, 2008

Dear Bhagavathi ji,

Thanks for pointing out the difference between a Rishi and a Saint.

Yes, if Rishis are human beings who have not attained the ultimate

stage of enlightenment...I agree...they are bound to get angry.

According to Buddhism, one cannot attain 'arhathood' if one is

susceptible to anger.

blessings,

Renu

--- In

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear Sunilji,

>

> The Rishi kumara's name was " sravana " or Sravana kumara. Stavana

has

> many meanings, one meaning is also the art to be heard, this was

the

> speciality of King Dasharth, he could aim his shot on the basis of

> sound.

>

> Renuji- Rishis are supposed to be holy people, but they are also

> human beings. Anger is the basic trait of a human. Throughout

myth,

> Sage Druvasa has been projected as an angry rishi only. Sage

> Vishwamitra did not leave his traits of a king even after he

became a

> Brahmarishi. The human who was never angry was a saint rather than

a

> rishi. So there is a clear distinction between a Rishi and a

Saint.

> The Rishis tried to carry the teachings of God, while the saint

> practised the teachings of God.

>

> Regards,

>

> bhagavathi

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear renu ji

> >

> > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble

> souls

> > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas

> resulting

> > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .

> >

> > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind

> rishi (

> > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed

by

> > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the

technic of

> > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real

word

> for

> > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and

the

> > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same

> sound

> > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the

> direction

> > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not

> deliberate ,and

> > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat

> happened

> > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son

> during

> > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits

will

> > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )

> >

> > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction

of

> yadava

> > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in

> Mahabharatha ) .

> >

> > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a

rishi

> > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .

> >

> > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and

it

> was

> > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings

and

> this

> > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch

> them .So

> > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at

peak ,they

> used

> > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .

> >

> > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a

pregnant

> woman

> > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender

of

> this

> > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their

> activities

> > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body

> dared

> > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an

iron

> bar

> > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i

think

> sri

> > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and

> > remaining peice also trown away .

> >

> > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long

> bamboo

> > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the

> poles as

> > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population

is

> dead

> > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one

arrow

> hit

> > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet

and

> it

> > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .

> >

> > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies

and

> girls

> > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters

attacked

> he

> > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery

> power ,which

> > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt

> kind of

> > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .

> >

> > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am

> writing

> > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with

me

> now

> > as i am far away frm nativ place )

> >

> > regrds sunil nair.

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks...for the reply.

> > >

> > > " see even they dont hav a valid reason why saraswathi shud

curse

> > certain

> > > ppl who handles some branch of knowledge .And she is supposed

to b

> > > godess of learning .'

> > >

> > > Exactly...controversial statements. Sounds stupid.

> > >

> > > " other wise even rishis curse with a solution given .And they

hav

> > valid

> > > reason too .if u check on puranas "

> > >

> > > What do you mean? That risihis DO curse...and they have valid

> reasons

> > > for that?

> > >

> > > Rishis are supposed to be good people. Right? So why would

they

> curse

> > > anyone? [i'm ignorant on this...that is why asking from you.]

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

June 28, 2008

Hare rama krishna

madam bhagavathi ji

That was a good information ,thanks

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > The Rishi kumara's name was "sravana" or Sravana kumara. Stavana has > many meanings, one meaning is also the art to be heard, this was the > speciality of King Dasharth, he could aim his shot on the basis of > sound.> > Renuji- Rishis are supposed to be holy people, but they are also > human beings. Anger is the basic trait of a human. Throughout myth, > Sage Druvasa has been projected as an angry rishi only. Sage > Vishwamitra did not leave his traits of a king even after he became a > Brahmarishi. The human who was never angry was a saint rather than a > rishi. So there is a clear distinction between a Rishi and a Saint. > The Rishis tried to carry the teachings of God, while the saint > practised the teachings of God.> > Regards,> > bhagavathi > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna> > > > dear renu ji> > > > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble > souls> > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas > resulting> > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .> > > > > > > > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind > rishi (> > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed by> > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the technic of> > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real word > for> > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and the> > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same > sound> > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the > direction> > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not > deliberate ,and> > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat > happened> > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son > during> > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits will> > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )> > > > > > > > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction of > yadava> > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in > Mahabharatha ) .> > > > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a rishi> > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .> > > > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and it > was> > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings and > this> > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch > them .So> > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at peak ,they > used> > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .> > > > > > > > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a pregnant > woman> > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender of > this> > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their > activities> > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body > dared> > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an iron > bar> > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i think > sri> > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and> > remaining peice also trown away .> > > > > > > > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long > bamboo> > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the > poles as> > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population is > dead> > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one arrow > hit> > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet and > it> > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .> > > > > > > > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies and > girls> > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters attacked > he> > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery > power ,which> > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt > kind of> > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .> > > > > > > > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am > writing> > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with me > now> > as i am far away frm nativ place )> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > Thanks...for the reply.> > >> > > "see even they dont hav a valid reason why saraswathi shud curse> > certain> > > ppl who handles some branch of knowledge .And she is supposed to b> > > godess of learning .'> > >> > > Exactly...controversial statements. Sounds stupid.> > >> > > "other wise even rishis curse with a solution given .And they hav> > valid> > > reason too .if u check on puranas "> > >> > > What do you mean? That risihis DO curse...and they have valid > reasons> > > for that?> > >> > > Rishis are supposed to be good people. Right? So why would they > curse> > > anyone? [i'm ignorant on this...that is why asking from you.]> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> >>

June 28, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear renu ji

thanks and u r welcome

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > "so all this act like a flow which forms like a river which flows frm> time immomorial and it has gr8 influence the pyche of society ."> > Agreed...and thanks... You have conveyed your message beautifully.> > blessings> > Renu> > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > hare rama krishna> >> > dear renu ji> >> >> >> > All thse storys i read long back and always given the reasons for it> > in the epics itself ,It say if my memory is correct even the the> hunter> > who killed krishna was bali in last birth and krishna was sreeram who> > killed by bali by shooting arrow while he was in a fight .> >> >> >> > so why can we think this rishis were also instrument in fulfilling the> > karmic effect and if see in its extreme the mother means the mother> > nature is also protesting ,exmple earth quacks and droughts and famine> > and no rain ,no water> >> >> >> > so keep teaching good lessons in various ways is also a part of> dharmic> > activity .> >> >> >> > It will b very rare a jesus can b crucified in india or a mohamed will> > chase out by society ,(offcource on individual level its possible )> but> > think abt the other societies where every prophet is being hounded or> > killed or humiliated ?> >> >> >> > so all this act like a flow which forms like a river which flows frm> > time immomorial and it has gr8 influence the pyche of society .> >> >> >> > hope i convey what i wanted to say ,any mistake dear grp forgiv and> > correct me> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > Thanks for the interesting stories...and I do love reading them.> > >> > > "rishis are very evolved and noble souls ,but it does not mean that> we> > > will go un touched by our karmas resulting frm hurting ,insulting or> > > making their life miserable ."> > >> > > Please consider that I am not trying to argue with you...but still I> > > cannot understand how an evolved and a noble soul would fall pray to> > > anger and curse someone. Would Rishi Kumara's father, the sanyasi,> > have> > > cursed King Dasaratha if it was someone other than Rishi Kumara who> > got> > > killed by the King? An evolved soul should be free from anger and> > > totally unselfish.> > >> > > Let me give you an example from Mahabharata...[i know everyone here> > > should be well versed in Mahabharatha than I ...so correct me if I> am> > > wrong]> > >> > > "The only son of a Brahmin woman, Gautami, was bitten by a snake.> The> > > boy died. A snake charmer caught the snake., brought it to the woman> > and> > > asked her how he should kill it; cut it to pieces or burn it alive.> > The> > > woman asked him to leave the snake alone, alive, since none could do> > > anything against the strokes of destiny; to do anything in this> matter> > > like killing the snake would be a sin. In any case, her dead son> would> > > not come back to life now.> > >> > > The argument went on and the wise woman said that the death of her> son> > > had not caused her agony as the boy had met his destiny."......the> > story> > > goes on...and I am sure most of you are aware of it. Finally it is> > said> > > that the snake was only instrumental in fulfilling the karma of that> > > boy. If a mere woman could realize that punishing the cuprit would> not> > > bring her son back to her, why could not Rishi Kumara's Sanyasi> father> > > see that vital truth? I think Gautami is more evolved and noble than> > the> > > Rishis you have mentioned in your mail, Sunil ji.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear renu ji> > > >> > > > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble souls> > > > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas> > > resulting> > > > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind> > rishi> > > (> > > > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed> by> > > > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the technic> of> > > > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real word> > for> > > > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and> the> > > > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same> > sound> > > > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the> > > direction> > > > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not deliberate> > > ,and> > > > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat> > happened> > > > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son> > during> > > > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits> will> > > > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction of> > yadava> > > > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in Mahabharatha> )> > .> > > >> > > > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a> rishi> > > > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .> > > >> > > > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and it> was> > > > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings and> > this> > > > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch them> .So> > > > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at peak> ,they> > > used> > > > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a pregnant> > > woman> > > > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender> of> > > this> > > > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their> > > activities> > > > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body> > dared> > > > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an iron> > bar> > > > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i> think> > > sri> > > > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and> > > > remaining peice also trown away .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long> > > bamboo> > > > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the> poles> > as> > > > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population is> > dead> > > > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one arrow> > hit> > > > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet> and> > it> > > > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies and> > girls> > > > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters attacked> he> > > > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery power> > ,which> > > > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt> kind> > > of> > > > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am> > > writing> > > > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with> me> > > now> > > > as i am far away frm nativ place )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >>

June 29, 2008

Bhagavati ji,Well said! Rishis were seekers of knowledge and tread on the path of Jnana Marga. Whereas saints were on the path of Bhakti Marga.Regards,Krishna--- On Sat, 28/6/08, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Re: Saraswati's Curse on Astrologers!!??And rishis ??? Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 10:15 PM

Dear Sunilji,

The Rishi kumara's name was "sravana" or Sravana kumara. Stavana has

many meanings, one meaning is also the art to be heard, this was the

speciality of King Dasharth, he could aim his shot on the basis of

sound.

Renuji- Rishis are supposed to be holy people, but they are also

human beings. Anger is the basic trait of a human. Throughout myth,

Sage Druvasa has been projected as an angry rishi only. Sage

Vishwamitra did not leave his traits of a king even after he became a

Brahmarishi. The human who was never angry was a saint rather than a

rishi. So there is a clear distinction between a Rishi and a Saint.

The Rishis tried to carry the teachings of God, while the saint

practised the teachings of God.

Regards,

bhagavathi

ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> hare rama krishna

>

> dear renu ji

>

> Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble

souls

> ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas

resulting

> frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .

>

> If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind

rishi (

> he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed by

> arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the technic of

> shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real word

for

> it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and the

> sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same

sound

> of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the

direction

> of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not

deliberate ,and

> he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat

happened

> and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son

during

> the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits will

> recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )

>

> Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction of

yadava

> clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in

Mahabharatha ) .

>

> One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a rishi

> Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .

>

> The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and it

was

> sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings and

this

> giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch

them .So

> they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at peak ,they

used

> to humiliate any good souls passing in street .

>

> so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a pregnant

woman

> and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender of

this

> kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their

activities

> and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body

dared

> to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an iron

bar

> .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i think

sri

> krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and

> remaining peice also trown away .

>

> but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long

bamboo

> style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the

poles as

> batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population is

dead

> and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one arrow

hit

> him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet and

it

> was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .

>

> Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies and

girls

> under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters attacked

he

> become standstill and he could not use his famous archery

power ,which

> he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt

kind of

> arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .

>

> so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am

writing

> frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with me

now

> as i am far away frm nativ place )

>

> regrds sunil nair.

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >

> > Thanks...for the reply.

> >

> > "see even they dont hav a valid reason why saraswathi shud curse

> certain

> > ppl who handles some branch of knowledge .And she is supposed to b

> > godess of learning .'

> >

> > Exactly...controver sial statements. Sounds stupid.

> >

> > "other wise even rishis curse with a solution given .And they hav

> valid

> > reason too .if u check on puranas "

> >

> > What do you mean? That risihis DO curse...and they have valid

reasons

> > for that?

> >

> > Rishis are supposed to be good people. Right? So why would they

curse

> > anyone? [i'm ignorant on this...that is why asking from you.]

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

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June 29, 2008

Dear Bhagavathiji:

I have always thought Saint is the English translation for Rishi.

How can you then divide them into Siants and Rishis from Jamadagni

to Parasurama to Viswamitra to Durvasa to the great Dronacharya and

ofcourse Gautum Muni? Who deserves the name Saint and who deos not?

I really appreciate if you can explain.

Thanks,

Jaya

--- In

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear Sunilji,

>

> The Rishi kumara's name was " sravana " or Sravana kumara. Stavana

has

> many meanings, one meaning is also the art to be heard, this was

the

> speciality of King Dasharth, he could aim his shot on the basis of

> sound.

>

> Renuji- Rishis are supposed to be holy people, but they are also

> human beings. Anger is the basic trait of a human. Throughout

myth,

> Sage Druvasa has been projected as an angry rishi only. Sage

> Vishwamitra did not leave his traits of a king even after he

became a

> Brahmarishi. The human who was never angry was a saint rather than

a

> rishi. So there is a clear distinction between a Rishi and a

Saint.

> The Rishis tried to carry the teachings of God, while the saint

> practised the teachings of God.

>

> Regards,

>

> bhagavathi

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear renu ji

> >

> > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and noble

> souls

> > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas

> resulting

> > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .

> >

> > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one blind

> rishi (

> > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got killed

by

> > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the

technic of

> > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real

word

> for

> > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and

the

> > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the same

> sound

> > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the

> direction

> > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not

> deliberate ,and

> > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat

> happened

> > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son

> during

> > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits

will

> > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )

> >

> > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction

of

> yadava

> > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in

> Mahabharatha ) .

> >

> > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a

rishi

> > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .

> >

> > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and

it

> was

> > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings

and

> this

> > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch

> them .So

> > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at

peak ,they

> used

> > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .

> >

> > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a

pregnant

> woman

> > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the gender

of

> this

> > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their

> activities

> > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no body

> dared

> > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an

iron

> bar

> > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i

think

> sri

> > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and

> > remaining peice also trown away .

> >

> > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has long

> bamboo

> > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the

> poles as

> > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population

is

> dead

> > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one

arrow

> hit

> > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet

and

> it

> > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .

> >

> > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies

and

> girls

> > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters

attacked

> he

> > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery

> power ,which

> > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt

> kind of

> > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .

> >

> > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am

> writing

> > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books with

me

> now

> > as i am far away frm nativ place )

> >

> > regrds sunil nair.

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks...for the reply.

> > >

> > > " see even they dont hav a valid reason why saraswathi shud

curse

> > certain

> > > ppl who handles some branch of knowledge .And she is supposed

to b

> > > godess of learning .'

> > >

> > > Exactly...controversial statements. Sounds stupid.

> > >

> > > " other wise even rishis curse with a solution given .And they

hav

> > valid

> > > reason too .if u check on puranas "

> > >

> > > What do you mean? That risihis DO curse...and they have valid

> reasons

> > > for that?

> > >

> > > Rishis are supposed to be good people. Right? So why would

they

> curse

> > > anyone? [i'm ignorant on this...that is why asking from you.]

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

June 30, 2008

Dear Hariharan,

Bhagtam Mahpuran was authored by RishiÂ Vayasa , this is a purana which

establishes

Â the path of BHAKTIÂ on the highest pedestal.

This Purana gives the name of DevoteesÂ and place Prahaladji on highest

pedestal.

ThÂ names given by this purana in decreasing order of merit is as under:

1.Prahalad 2. Devrishi Narad 3.Vayasa 4, Parasara 5. Dhuruv

In the above list ,Â three devotees are Rishis.

A rishi can be a saint like Narda.

Regards,

Â G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:03:54 AM

Re: Saraswati's Curse on Astrologers!!??And

rishis ???

Jayaji,

If you see message # 11064 by kerishnamurthiji, he has explained even

better. Rihsi is towardd Gyana marga, Saint is towards bhakti marga.

The english language usually uses saint for rishi also, there is a

whole new addition of words in english like Dekho, sage, guru, avtar,

pundit, the meaning of sage is given as a learned man. Most of the

times, it is difficult to translate into english. Thjere is no single

word for " punya " in english while there is a single word for " papa "

which is sin, so that reveals the greatness of sanskrit itself.

In my humble opinion, a rishi need not be a saint, a saint need not

be a rishi. in the example which Renuji cited about the woman

Gautami, she had saintly qualities.

In Bhaktimarga, there were so many saints who were not learned at

all. Mirabai was a saint, Buddha himself was a saint, it was not easy

to giveup everything and go away. Dronacharya was no doubt highly

learned brahmin sage but he failed in everything when he went to the

battlefield, it was adharma from his part as a Brahmin, for which he

paid with his head.

This topic is never ending. I think we should realize this from

within and get enlightened about the concept of a rishi and saint

Rgds,

bhagavathi

ancient_indian_ astrology, " revati_n27 "

<revati_n27@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bhagavathiji:

>

> I have always thought Saint is the English translation for Rishi.

> How can you then divide them into Siants and Rishis from Jamadagni

> to Parasurama to Viswamitra to Durvasa to the great Dronacharya and

> ofcourse Gautum Muni? Who deserves the name Saint and who deos not?

>

> I really appreciate if you can explain.

> Thanks,

> Jaya

>

> --- In

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

> <bhagavathi_ hariharan@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > The Rishi kumara's name was " sravana " or Sravana kumara. Stavana

> has

> > many meanings, one meaning is also the art to be heard, this was

> the

> > speciality of King Dasharth, he could aim his shot on the basis

of

> > sound.

> >

> > Renuji- Rishis are supposed to be holy people, but they are also

> > human beings. Anger is the basic trait of a human. Throughout

> myth,

> > Sage Druvasa has been projected as an angry rishi only. Sage

> > Vishwamitra did not leave his traits of a king even after he

> became a

> > Brahmarishi. The human who was never angry was a saint rather

than

> a

> > rishi. So there is a clear distinction between a Rishi and a

> Saint.

> > The Rishis tried to carry the teachings of God, while the saint

> > practised the teachings of God.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > bhagavathi

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:

> > >

> > > hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear renu ji

> > >

> > > Yes ur question is valid ,rishis are very evolved and

noble

> > souls

> > > ,but it does not mean that we will go un touched by our karmas

> > resulting

> > > frm hurting ,insulting or making their life miserable .

> > >

> > > If u know ramayana story King dasaratha was cursed by one

blind

> > rishi (

> > > he is a normal sanyasi living in forest ) and his son got

killed

> by

> > > arrow of king while he was doing hunting ,as he knows the

> technic of

> > > shooting the object only by hearing sound ( i forget the real

> word

> > for

> > > it in sanskrit ) and this rishi kumara was collecting water and

> the

> > > sound of water going inside the earthern pot was giving the

same

> > sound

> > > of elephants drinking water and the King shot arrow aiming the

> > direction

> > > of sound and he killed the rishi kumara ,but it was not

> > deliberate ,and

> > > he even took son's dead body to parents and informed them wat

> > happened

> > > and that sanyasi in rage cursed the king ,u will not see ur son

> > during

> > > the time of death and same thing happened .(Modern day pundits

> will

> > > recommend lacs of rs remedy to avert this problem [] )

> > >

> > > Again if u know the madhura dissolution and the destruction

> of

> > yadava

> > > clan during the time of srikrishna ( its described in

> > Mahabharatha ) .

> > >

> > > One of the son of Lord Krishna - i think samban -humiliated a

> rishi

> > > Durvasa ( who is other wise also famous for his anger ) .

> > >

> > > The yadavas were at the height of prosperity and richness and

> it

> > was

> > > sri krishna and mighty balaram were their protecters as kings

> and

> > this

> > > giv them too much ego and carelessness as no body can touch

> > them .So

> > > they strted drinking liquor and even the gambling was at

> peak ,they

> > used

> > > to humiliate any good souls passing in street .

> > >

> > > so once one of sri krishnas son assumed the pretext of a

> pregnant

> > woman

> > > and asked ( with his grp of frnds ) rishi what will b the

gender

> of

> > this

> > > kid in pregnancy and rishi got annoyed ( it was peak of their

> > activities

> > > and every one was cursing them but being related to king no

body

> > dared

> > > to complaint against them ) ,so rihi coolly said it will b an

> iron

> > bar

> > > .And exactly as predicted that boy delivered a iron bar and i

> think

> > sri

> > > krishna asked them to grind this into powder and put in sea and

> > > remaining peice also trown away .

> > >

> > > but those powder become seed of some funny plants which has

long

> > bamboo

> > > style pole and once a fight break out and ppl srted using the

> > poles as

> > > batons and crushed each other ,and most of the male population

> is

> > dead

> > > and gone and Later srikrishna was resting in a tree and one

> arrow

> > hit

> > > him on his ankle and the hunter thought for some bird ,his feet

> and

> > it

> > > was the remaining peice of iron bar he used in arrow head .

> > >

> > > Even prior to dissolution sri krishna transported all ladies

> and

> > girls

> > > under the protection of mighty arjuna and when foresters

> attacked

> > he

> > > become standstill and he could not use his famous archery

> > power ,which

> > > he was world famous ,even he was blessed by many to use diffrnt

> > kind of

> > > arrows .And they kidnapped all ladies and girls .

> > >

> > > so complete old yadava clan is destroyed ( the above story i am

> > writing

> > > frm memory and others pls forgiv me as i dont hav any books

with

> me

> > now

> > > as i am far away frm nativ place )

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair.

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks...for the reply.

> > > >

> > > > " see even they dont hav a valid reason why saraswathi shud

> curse

> > > certain

> > > > ppl who handles some branch of knowledge .And she is supposed

> to b

> > > > godess of learning .'

> > > >

> > > > Exactly...controver sial statements. Sounds stupid.

> > > >

> > > > " other wise even rishis curse with a solution given .And they

> hav

> > > valid

> > > > reason too .if u check on puranas "

> > > >

> > > > What do you mean? That risihis DO curse...and they have valid

> > reasons

> > > > for that?

> > > >

> > > > Rishis are supposed to be good people. Right? So why would

> they

> > curse

> > > > anyone? [i'm ignorant on this...that is why asking from you.]

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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