25 Centuries since Buddha.The world's fate depends on what we do

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Dear Sunil ji,

Thanks for the post.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> PYTHAGORAS IS THE FIRST EXPERIMENT in creating a synthesis. Twenty-

five

> centuries have passed since then and nobody else has tried it again.

> Nobody else before had done it, and nobody else has done it

afterwards

> either. It needs a mind which is both scientific and mystic. It is a

> rare phenomenon. It happens once in a while.

>

> There have been great mystics -- Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zarathustra. And

there

> have been great scientists -- Newton, Edison, Einstein. But to find

a

> man who is at home with both the worlds, easily at home, is very

> difficult. PYTHAGORAS IS THAT KIND OF MAN -- A CLASS UNTO HIMSELF.

He

> cannot be categorized by anybody else.

>

> The synthesis that he tried was needed, particularly in his days,

as it

> is needed today -- because the world is again at the same point. The

> world moves in a wheel. The Sanskrit word for 'the world' is

samsara.

> SAMSARA means the wheel. THE WHEEL IS BIG: ONE CIRCLE IS COMPLETED

IN

> TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES. Twenty-five centuries before Pythagoras,

Atlantis

> committed suicide -- out of man's own scientific growth. But without

> wisdom, scientific growth is dangerous. It is putting a sword in the

> hands of a child.

>

> NOW TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES HAVE PASSED SINCE PYTHAGORAS. Again the

world

> is in a chaos. Again the wheel has come to the same point -- it

always

> comes to the same point. It takes twenty-five centuries for this

moment

> to happen.

>

> AFTER EACH TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES THE WORLD COMES INTO A STATE OF

GREAT

> CHAOS. Man becomes uprooted, starts feeling meaningless. All the

values

> of life disappear. A great darkness surrounds. Sense of direction is

> lost. One simply feels accidental. There seems to be no purpose, no

> significance. Life seems to be just a by-product of chance. It seems

> existence does not care for you. It seems there is no life after

death.

> It seems whatsoever you do is futile, routine, mechanical. All

seems to

> be pointless.

>

> THESE TIMES OF CHAOS, DISORDER, can either be a great curse, as it

> happened in Atlantis, or they can prove a quantum leap in human

growth.

> It depends on how we use them. IT IS ONLY IN SUCH GREAT TIMES OF

CHAOS

> THAT GREAT STARS ARE BORN.

>

> Pythagoras was not alone. In Greece, Pythagoras and Heraclitus were

> born. In India, Buddha and Mahavira and many others. In China, Lao

Tzu,

> Chuang Tzu, Confucius, Mencius, Lieh Tzu, and many more. In Iran,

> Zarathustra. In the brahmin tradition, many great Upanishadic

seers. In

> the world of Judaism, Moses... ALL THESE PEOPLE, THESE GREAT MASTERS

> WERE BORN AT A CERTAIN STAGE IN HUMAN HISTORY -- TWENTY-FIVE

CENTURIES

> BEFORE.

>

> NOW WE ARE AGAIN IN A GREAT CHAOS, AND MAN'S FATE WILL DEPEND ON

WHAT WE

> DO. Either we will destroy ourselves like the civilization that

> destroyed itself in Atlantis -- the whole world will become a

Hiroshima;

> we will be drowned in our own knowledge; in our own science; we will

> commit suicide, a collective suicide. A few, a Noah and a few of his

> followers, may be saved, or may not be... Or, there is a possibility

> that we can take a quantum leap.

>

> EITHER MAN CAN COMMIT SUICIDE, OR MAN CAN BE REBORN. Both the doors

are

> open. If the times can create people like Heraclitus and Lao Tzu and

> Zarathustra and Pythagoras and Buddha and Confucius, why can they

not

> create a great humanity? They can. But we go on missing the

opportunity.

>

> THE ORDINARY MASSES LIVE IN SUCH UNCONSCIOUSNESS THAT THEY CAN'T SEE

> EVEN A FEW STEPS AHEAD. They are blind. And they are the

majority!... If

> we can create a great momentum in the world for meditation, for the

> inward journey, for tranquility, for stillness, for love, for

God... if

> we can create a space.... for God to happen to many many people,

> humanity will have a new birth, a resurrection -- A NEW MAN WILL BE

> BORN.

>

> AND ONCE YOU MISS THESE TIMES, THEN FOR TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES AGAIN

YOU

> WILL REMAIN THE SAME. Few people will achieve enlightenment, but it

will

> remain only for few people. Here and there, once in a while, a

person

> will become alert and aware and divine. But the greater part of

humanity

> goes on lagging behind -- in darkness, in utter darkness, in

absolute

> misery. THE GREATER PART OF HUMANITY GOES ON LIVING IN HELL.

>

> But these moments when chaos spreads and man loses his roots in the

> past, becomes unhinged from the past, are great moments. If we can

learn

> something from the past history, if we can learn something from

> Pythagoras.. . People could not use Pythagoras and his

understanding,

> they could not use his great synthesis, they could not use the doors

> that he had made available. A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL HAD DONE SOMETHING

> IMMENSE, SOMETHING IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT WAS NOT USED.

>

> I AM TRYING TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME AGAIN; I FEEL A VERY DEEP

SPIRITUAL

> AFFINITY WITH PYTHAGORAS. I am also bringing you a synthesis of

East and

> West, of science and religion, of intellect and intuition, of the

male

> mind and the female mind, of the head and the heart, of the right

and

> the left. I AM ALSO TRYING IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY TO CREATE A GREAT

> HARMONY, BECAUSE ONLY THAT HARMONY CAN SAVE. Only that harmony can

give

> you a new birth.

>

> BUT THERE IS EVERY POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT WAS DONE TO PYTHAGORAS

WILL BE

> DONE TO ME. AND THERE IS EVERY POSSIBILITY WHAT WAS DONE TO

PYTHAGORAS'

> FOLLOWERS WILL BE DONE TO MY SANNYASINS. But still, even knowing

that

> possibility, the effort has to be made again. Because this is

valuable

> time. It comes only once in twenty-five centuries when the wheel can

> move in a new way, can take a new direction.

>

> YOU ALL HAVE TO RISK, AND YOU HAVE TO RISK ALL THAT YOU HAVE. And

risk

> it with great joy! Because what can be more joyous than to give

birth to

> a new man, to become vehicles for a new man, for a new humanity?

>

> IT IS GOING TO BE PAINFUL AS EVERY BIRTH IS PAINFUL. But the pain

can be

> welcomed if you understand what is going to happen through it. If

you

> can see the child coming out of it, then the pain is no more pain --

> just as the mother can accept the pain of the child's birth. The

pain is

> irrelevant: her heart is dancing with joy -- she is going to give

birth

> to life, she is being creative. She is making this world more

alive; a

> new child is being born through her. God has used her as a vehicle;

her

> womb has proved fertile. She is happy, in great joy. She rejoices,

> although the pain is there on the periphery. BUT WHEN THIS GREAT

JOY IS

> THERE, THE PAIN SIMPLY FUNCTIONS AS A BACKGROUND AND MAKES THE JOY

EVEN

> MORE LOUD. Remember...

>

> My sannyasins can become an energy womb, an energy field. A GREAT

> SYNTHESIS IS HAPPENING HERE -- EAST AND WEST ARE MEETING HERE. And

if we

> can make this impossible thing happen, man will live in a totally

> different way in the future. He will not need to live in the same

old

> hell. MAN CAN LIVE IN LOVE, IN PEACE. Man can live IN GREAT

> FRIENDLINESS. Man can live a life which is nothing but a

celebration.

> Man can make this earth divine.

>

> Yes: this very earth can become the paradise and this very body the

> Buddha.

>

> OSHO

> Philosophia Perennis

> Vol 1, Ch #1: The Greatest Luxury

> am in Buddha Hall

>

[Guest guest]

Hare ramakrishna

dear sreenadh ji

Thanks .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Sreenadh" <sreelid wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> Thanks for the post. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > PYTHAGORAS IS THE FIRST EXPERIMENT in creating a synthesis. Twenty-> five> > centuries have passed since then and nobody else has tried it again.> > Nobody else before had done it, and nobody else has done it > afterwards> > either. It needs a mind which is both scientific and mystic. It is a> > rare phenomenon. It happens once in a while.> > > > There have been great mystics -- Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zarathustra. And > there> > have been great scientists -- Newton, Edison, Einstein. But to find > a> > man who is at home with both the worlds, easily at home, is very> > difficult. PYTHAGORAS IS THAT KIND OF MAN -- A CLASS UNTO HIMSELF. > He> > cannot be categorized by anybody else.> > > > The synthesis that he tried was needed, particularly in his days, > as it> > is needed today -- because the world is again at the same point. The> > world moves in a wheel. The Sanskrit word for 'the world' is > samsara.> > SAMSARA means the wheel. THE WHEEL IS BIG: ONE CIRCLE IS COMPLETED > IN> > TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES. Twenty-five centuries before Pythagoras, > Atlantis> > committed suicide -- out of man's own scientific growth. But without> > wisdom, scientific growth is dangerous. It is putting a sword in the> > hands of a child.> > > > NOW TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES HAVE PASSED SINCE PYTHAGORAS. Again the > world> > is in a chaos. Again the wheel has come to the same point -- it > always> > comes to the same point. It takes twenty-five centuries for this > moment> > to happen.> > > > AFTER EACH TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES THE WORLD COMES INTO A STATE OF > GREAT> > CHAOS. Man becomes uprooted, starts feeling meaningless. All the > values> > of life disappear. A great darkness surrounds. Sense of direction is> > lost. One simply feels accidental. There seems to be no purpose, no> > significance. Life seems to be just a by-product of chance. It seems> > existence does not care for you. It seems there is no life after > death.> > It seems whatsoever you do is futile, routine, mechanical. All > seems to> > be pointless.> > > > THESE TIMES OF CHAOS, DISORDER, can either be a great curse, as it> > happened in Atlantis, or they can prove a quantum leap in human > growth.> > It depends on how we use them. IT IS ONLY IN SUCH GREAT TIMES OF > CHAOS> > THAT GREAT STARS ARE BORN.> > > > Pythagoras was not alone. In Greece, Pythagoras and Heraclitus were> > born. In India, Buddha and Mahavira and many others. In China, Lao > Tzu,> > Chuang Tzu, Confucius, Mencius, Lieh Tzu, and many more. In Iran,> > Zarathustra. In the brahmin tradition, many great Upanishadic > seers. In> > the world of Judaism, Moses... ALL THESE PEOPLE, THESE GREAT MASTERS> > WERE BORN AT A CERTAIN STAGE IN HUMAN HISTORY -- TWENTY-FIVE > CENTURIES> > BEFORE.> > > > NOW WE ARE AGAIN IN A GREAT CHAOS, AND MAN'S FATE WILL DEPEND ON > WHAT WE> > DO. Either we will destroy ourselves like the civilization that> > destroyed itself in Atlantis -- the whole world will become a > Hiroshima;> > we will be drowned in our own knowledge; in our own science; we will> > commit suicide, a collective suicide. A few, a Noah and a few of his> > followers, may be saved, or may not be... Or, there is a possibility> > that we can take a quantum leap.> > > > EITHER MAN CAN COMMIT SUICIDE, OR MAN CAN BE REBORN. Both the doors > are> > open. If the times can create people like Heraclitus and Lao Tzu and> > Zarathustra and Pythagoras and Buddha and Confucius, why can they > not> > create a great humanity? They can. But we go on missing the > opportunity.> > > > THE ORDINARY MASSES LIVE IN SUCH UNCONSCIOUSNESS THAT THEY CAN'T SEE> > EVEN A FEW STEPS AHEAD. They are blind. And they are the > majority!... If> > we can create a great momentum in the world for meditation, for the> > inward journey, for tranquility, for stillness, for love, for > God... if> > we can create a space.... for God to happen to many many people,> > humanity will have a new birth, a resurrection -- A NEW MAN WILL BE> > BORN.> > > > AND ONCE YOU MISS THESE TIMES, THEN FOR TWENTY-FIVE CENTURIES AGAIN > YOU> > WILL REMAIN THE SAME. Few people will achieve enlightenment, but it > will> > remain only for few people. Here and there, once in a while, a > person> > will become alert and aware and divine. But the greater part of > humanity> > goes on lagging behind -- in darkness, in utter darkness, in > absolute> > misery. THE GREATER PART OF HUMANITY GOES ON LIVING IN HELL.> > > > But these moments when chaos spreads and man loses his roots in the> > past, becomes unhinged from the past, are great moments. If we can > learn> > something from the past history, if we can learn something from> > Pythagoras.. . People could not use Pythagoras and his > understanding,> > they could not use his great synthesis, they could not use the doors> > that he had made available. A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL HAD DONE SOMETHING> > IMMENSE, SOMETHING IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT WAS NOT USED.> > > > I AM TRYING TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME AGAIN; I FEEL A VERY DEEP > SPIRITUAL> > AFFINITY WITH PYTHAGORAS. I am also bringing you a synthesis of > East and> > West, of science and religion, of intellect and intuition, of the > male> > mind and the female mind, of the head and the heart, of the right > and> > the left. I AM ALSO TRYING IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY TO CREATE A GREAT> > HARMONY, BECAUSE ONLY THAT HARMONY CAN SAVE. Only that harmony can > give> > you a new birth.> > > > BUT THERE IS EVERY POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT WAS DONE TO PYTHAGORAS > WILL BE> > DONE TO ME. AND THERE IS EVERY POSSIBILITY WHAT WAS DONE TO > PYTHAGORAS'> > FOLLOWERS WILL BE DONE TO MY SANNYASINS. But still, even knowing > that> > possibility, the effort has to be made again. Because this is > valuable> > time. It comes only once in twenty-five centuries when the wheel can> > move in a new way, can take a new direction.> > > > YOU ALL HAVE TO RISK, AND YOU HAVE TO RISK ALL THAT YOU HAVE. And > risk> > it with great joy! Because what can be more joyous than to give > birth to> > a new man, to become vehicles for a new man, for a new humanity?> > > > IT IS GOING TO BE PAINFUL AS EVERY BIRTH IS PAINFUL. But the pain > can be> > welcomed if you understand what is going to happen through it. If > you> > can see the child coming out of it, then the pain is no more pain --> > just as the mother can accept the pain of the child's birth. The > pain is> > irrelevant: her heart is dancing with joy -- she is going to give > birth> > to life, she is being creative. She is making this world more > alive; a> > new child is being born through her. God has used her as a vehicle; > her> > womb has proved fertile. She is happy, in great joy. She rejoices,> > although the pain is there on the periphery. BUT WHEN THIS GREAT > JOY IS> > THERE, THE PAIN SIMPLY FUNCTIONS AS A BACKGROUND AND MAKES THE JOY > EVEN> > MORE LOUD. Remember...> > > > My sannyasins can become an energy womb, an energy field. A GREAT> > SYNTHESIS IS HAPPENING HERE -- EAST AND WEST ARE MEETING HERE. And > if we> > can make this impossible thing happen, man will live in a totally> > different way in the future. He will not need to live in the same > old> > hell. MAN CAN LIVE IN LOVE, IN PEACE. Man can live IN GREAT> > FRIENDLINESS. Man can live a life which is nothing but a > celebration.> > Man can make this earth divine.> > > > Yes: this very earth can become the paradise and this very body the> > Buddha.> > > > OSHO> > Philosophia Perennis> > Vol 1, Ch #1: The Greatest Luxury> > am in Buddha Hall> >>

[Guest guest]

'Man'? 'Newton, Edison, Einstein'?

 

that was written by one {an Osho quote?} who was

without philosophical and spiritual understanding.

 

our sacred body, global consciousness, is not

either provincial or patriarchal, nor about

capitalist or judeochristian rapacity against

nature -- supported by the sick propaganda that

divine nature is not sacred!

 

the realm of consciousness, spirit, the dreaming,

the Songline of creation is neither distant nor

diffuse. it is electromagnetic all ... of which

when we are in harmony with divinity, we see

the spectrum, continuum, indeed physicality

of ...

 

the umbilical of the NOW, Great Mothers' womb

within womb, within we each are born, and we

each create. the Song within which we are Sung,

and we Sing!

 

thus our astronomical ancestors, our lineage

of Mothers, includes 1) the Sun (a hurricane of fire

of 150 AU diameter within which the Earth and ALL

the planets are immersed), 2) the Milky Way, Amanogawa,

a greater hurricane of fire some 100,000 light years

in diameter in which ten million stars are nurtured

in HER womb, 3) the Virgo Supercluster amongst which

many galaxies, including the Milky Way, was conceived

and is being grown, and 4) the Matter-Verse, convenient

name Maat, whose hurricane of fire (plasma, electricity)

encompasses the WHOLE extent of that portion of the

cosmos which is likely to be of positive-parity or

handedness (i.e., matter rather than antimatter).

 

this hierarchy of our ancestral and contemporary

deities -- of which the BlueStar or Global Humanity,

within Gaia, within the Earth, is the centermost --

also includes you and I, within HER, the BlueStar.

 

it does not mean that every planet, and every star,

is not an equally resplendent deity, or without

ancestors or progeny, only that the stars and galaxies

and metagalaxies and AstroVerses of other systems

are not OUR immediate mothers, grandmothers, great

grandmothers and great great grandmothers.

 

they are cousins, aunts, great-aunts, etc.

 

all our relations, yet not our parents or

grandparents ... of whose umbilicals we are

still, and always, connected ...

 

in the all-now, all-times, chorus,

 

of all our relations,

 

 

Millennium Twain

 

-- " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

-- " Newton, Edison, Einstein. But to find a man who

is at home with both the worlds, easily at home, is

very difficult " ... OSHO