Group should be private or Public? - Please vote

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

I have voted long back. Would like to add a few words. By voting

against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in a

selfish manner , and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not

allow recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and

spreading what each of us posesses. When it is Public, then people

passing through, get an idea of the going ons here, and would help in

creating membership. Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum,

but never entered thinking that it must be like all the others, until I

was invited , I never knew the potential here.

 

Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as a

good member. The ultimate decesions lies with You . But in this case the

numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do,

rightly. Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,

only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so

we have no fears.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> There is a poll happening in the Polls section of the group to answer

> the question - " Whether the group should be kept public or private? " .

> Currently 55% of the votes are in favor of keeping the group Private

and

> 45% in favor of keeping the group Private!!

> With this kind of poll results the group may change to a Private

> group as earlier at the earliest. If any one want to express their

> opinian in favor of or against this, please hurry and express your

> opinian soon by visiting the Polls section of the group at:

>

/surveys?id=240296\

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> 4

>

</surveys?id=24029\

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> 64>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your well-meaning and gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not be aware of.

//By voting against a

Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not allow

recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and spreading

what each of us posesses.//

I agree that one should share and impart

knowledge. And I will be the first one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs for the kind of

knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared with a supatra only. This

is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is there is no screening or

filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be allowed to access all

resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This is already a big

problem.

There are 2400+ members but not more than

50 active members. Many of the rest only have a nuisance value for the active

members. They don't participate in any discussion and their knowledge of

astrology is zilch, yet they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only

astrological but of all kinds…. This is

like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious. Is it a price that I have to pay

to be in a group?

If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't

you think this will make more such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to

request the moderators to screen the membership so that people like us can

express peacefully. Always I have to be careful about the nasty elements while

writing in the group, both for astrological writings and for non-astrological

topics. I can forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group

can be public, but then do the active participants become public properties!

 

//When it is Public,

then people passing through, get an idea of the going ons here, and would help

in creating membership.// For this, moderators can showcase their

credentials and some exemplary conversations for all to view. //Even I myself knew the

existence of this Forum, but never entered thinking that it must be like all

the others, until I was invited, I never knew the potential here.//If one is destined to meet someone or get

something, he'll reach there anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one

has to go upto the library, make an effort to see what is available and

continue if he sees any worth in it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available

membership and see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.

 

//Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my

views forward as a good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case the

numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do, rightly. Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,

only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so we have no fears./.

I think I answered this one… divinity is in

the eyes of the beholder… not all treat this as a divine science. This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here, at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for that...

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

All your points are well taken and stand on firm ground. Yes the nuisance part, i just overlooked. Whatever problems you may be facing, i am too facing continously since last 2 years . All sorts of people turn up with wierd queries on chat ( Now I have already stopped chatting ), email, and phones, and some cannot take no for an answer. I can understand you being a active member with a attractive name, what could be your fate.

Most of the important points of your mail crossed my mind before I put my thoughts in writing, especially the " supatra " point, but then another point immediately crossed my point, that the " kupatras " also have access to many books available in the market and read.

But all the same, apart from whatever I have said, your take is absolutely justified.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your well-meaning and> gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not be> aware of.> > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in> a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not allow> recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and spreading> what each of us posesses.//> > I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the first> one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs for the> kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared with a> supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is there is> no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be allowed to> access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This is> already a big problem.> > There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of the> rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't> participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is zilch, yet> they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological but of> all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious. Is it a> price that I have to pay to be in a group?> > If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make more> such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the moderators to> screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully. Always> I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the group,> both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can> forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can be> public, but then do the active participants become public properties!> > //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the going> ons here, and would help in creating membership.//> For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary> conversations for all to view.> > //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered thinking> that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew the> potential here.//> If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there> anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the library,> make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any worth in> it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available membership and> see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> > > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as a> good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case the> numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do, rightly.> Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,> only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so we> have no fears./.> > I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the beholder… not> all treat this as a divine science.> > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here,> at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for that...> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,Thank you for understanding. This is such a nuisance despite the fact that people do not know anything about me. Can you imagine if they have access to our details, phone nos. address, etc??

RegardsNeelam2008/7/23 Bhaskar <rajiventerprises:

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelamji,

All your points are well taken and stand on firm ground. Yes the nuisance part, i just overlooked. Whatever problems you may be facing, i am too facing continously since last 2 years . All sorts of people turn up with wierd queries on chat ( Now I have already stopped chatting ), email, and phones, and some cannot take no for an answer. I can understand you being a active member with a attractive name, what could be your fate.

Most of the important points of your mail crossed my mind before I put my thoughts in writing, especially the " supatra " point, but then another point immediately crossed my point, that the " kupatras " also have access to many books available in the market and read.

But all the same, apart from whatever I have said, your take is absolutely justified.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,

> > I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your well-meaning and> gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not be> aware of.> > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in

> a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not allow> recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and spreading> what each of us posesses.//> > I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the first

> one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs for the> kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared with a> supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is there is

> no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be allowed to> access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This is> already a big problem.> > There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of the

> rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't> participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is zilch, yet> they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological but of

> all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious. Is it a> price that I have to pay to be in a group?> > If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make more

> such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the moderators to> screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully. Always> I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the group,

> both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can> forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can be> public, but then do the active participants become public properties!

> > //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the going> ons here, and would help in creating membership.//> For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary

> conversations for all to view.> > //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered thinking> that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew the> potential here.//

> If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there> anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the library,> make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any worth in

> it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available membership and> see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> > > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as a

> good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case the> numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do, rightly.> Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,

> only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so we> have no fears./.> > I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the beholder… not> all treat this as a divine science.

> > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here,> at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for that...> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji, Sunil ji and other members,

 

I look at it in two ways, while accepting the contentions of Neelam ji and

Bhaskar ji.  One :  forbidding new entrants, will not help those who 'recently'

got aware of this group and the number of new participants will be few.  Second

: the advanced discussions on a vast subject as Astrology, will be difficult to

be understood by a new entrant into this group, in a middle stage, and this will

end his association as a silent follower sitting on a gallery. Then we will say

that 50 out of 2500 are only active.  In my opinion all the 2500 are active and

they develop their interest in these discussions.

 

To find a middle path, one has to filter the membership before accepting the

submission.  That could end up as a full time job for some one in the group.

 

I find a great enthusiasm among the experts to give lengthy details in some of

the postings.  I submit my suggestion with humbleness that we need not continue

to give lengthy 'reasons'.  Of course, the discussions are within those who have

interest and knowledge in the subject.  So the length of 'post' could be short.

 

In conclusion, this group could become a group of 'selected' members, while not

exclusively 'private'.

 

 

 A.V.Pathi,                                      

 

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

 

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:50:49 AM

Re: Re: Group should be private or Public? -

Please vote

 

 

Dear Bhaskarji,

I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your well-meaning and

gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not be aware

of.

 

//By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in a

selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not allow

recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and spreading what

each of us posesses.//

I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the first one

to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs for the kind of

knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared with a supatra

only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is there is no screening

or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be allowed to access all

resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This is already a big

problem.

There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of the rest

only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't participate in any

discussion and their knowledge of astrology is zilch, yet they keep pestering us

privately for requests, not only astrological but of all kinds….  This is like

harassment, and I find it most obnoxious. Is it a price that I have to pay to be

in a group?

If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make more such

characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the moderators to screen

the membership so that people like us can express peacefully. Always I have to

be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the group, both for

astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can forward you the

kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can be public, but then do the

active participants   become public properties!

//When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the going ons

here, and would help in creating membership./ /

For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary

conversations for all to view.

//Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered thinking

that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew the

potential here.//

If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there anyhow.

And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the library, make an

effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any worth in it. For

this group, one can sign in for the freely available membership and see what is

there for him, otherwise drop out.

 

//Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as a good

member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case the

numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do, rightly.

Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,

only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so we have

no fears./.

I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the beholder… not all

treat this as a divine science.

 

This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here, at

least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for that...

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear neelam ji and bhaskar ji,

we r a grp of like minded ppl gathered here for a common cause ,so i also feel our grp shud keep private ,it does not mean that we r restricting any one but like neelam ji said we can only giv any thing to rightful ppl only to those who deserve .

The pestering elements how we can tackle i dont know .this will carry on so long as others dont hav self respect.

Other wise bhaskar ji all ur points are valid and taken in good spirit .As i know ur contributions and still ready to face any hardships even tho many has harassed u and still u stand for good causes.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

 

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,> > All your points are well taken and stand on firm ground. Yes the> nuisance part, i just overlooked. Whatever problems you may be facing, i> am too facing continously since last 2 years . All sorts of people turn> up with wierd queries on chat ( Now I have already stopped chatting ),> email, and phones, and some cannot take no for an answer. I can> understand you being a active member with a attractive name, what could> be your fate.> > Most of the important points of your mail crossed my mind before I put> my thoughts in writing, especially the " supatra " point, but then> another point immediately crossed my point, that the " kupatras " also> have access to many books available in the market and read.> > But all the same, apart from whatever I have said, your take is> absolutely justified.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> >> > I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your> well-meaning and> > gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not> be> > aware of.> >> > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are> behaving in> > a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not> allow> > recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and> spreading> > what each of us posesses.//> >> > I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the> first> > one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs> for the> > kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared> with a> > supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is> there is> > no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be> allowed to> > access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This> is> > already a big problem.> >> > There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of> the> > rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't> > participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is> zilch, yet> > they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological> but of> > all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious.> Is it a> > price that I have to pay to be in a group?> >> > If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make> more> > such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the> moderators to> > screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully.> Always> > I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the> group,> > both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can> > forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can> be> > public, but then do the active participants become public properties!> >> > //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the> going> > ons here, and would help in creating membership.//> > For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary> > conversations for all to view.> >> > //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered> thinking> > that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew> the> > potential here.//> > If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there> > anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the> library,> > make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any> worth in> > it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available> membership and> > see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> >> >> > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as> a> > good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case> the> > numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do,> rightly.> > Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,> > only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here,> so we> > have no fears./.> >> > I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the> beholder… not> > all treat this as a divine science.> >> > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views> here,> > at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for> that...> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji and group,In any case, it can hardly be called a private group. It takes less than 30 seconds for any one to sign in and there are some people who sign in with multiple ids.Such a group may even become a hunting ground for people having hidden agendas of personal gains in the garb of sharing astro-gyan. We have already witnessed one such instance in the recent past. Sharing knowledge should be pure and selfless, but in this age of materialisation and commercialisation, how many in this group would be here for the plain pleasure of sharing?

RegardsNeelam2008/7/23 sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala:

 

 

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna

dear neelam ji and bhaskar ji,

we r a grp of like minded ppl gathered here for a common cause ,so i also feel our grp shud keep private ,it does not mean that we r restricting any one but like neelam ji said we can only giv any thing to rightful ppl only to those who deserve .

The pestering elements how we can tackle i dont know .this will carry on so long as others dont hav self respect.

Other wise bhaskar ji all ur points are valid and taken in good spirit .As i know ur contributions and still ready to face any hardships even tho many has harassed u and still u stand for good causes.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,

> > All your points are well taken and stand on firm ground. Yes the> nuisance part, i just overlooked. Whatever problems you may be facing, i> am too facing continously since last 2 years . All sorts of people turn

> up with wierd queries on chat ( Now I have already stopped chatting ),> email, and phones, and some cannot take no for an answer. I can> understand you being a active member with a attractive name, what could

> be your fate.> > Most of the important points of your mail crossed my mind before I put> my thoughts in writing, especially the " supatra " point, but then> another point immediately crossed my point, that the " kupatras " also

> have access to many books available in the market and read.> > But all the same, apart from whatever I have said, your take is> absolutely justified.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.

> > > > > , " neelam gupta " > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> >> > I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your> well-meaning and> > gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not

> be> > aware of.> >> > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are> behaving in> > a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not

> allow> > recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and> spreading> > what each of us posesses.//> >> > I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the

> first> > one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs> for the> > kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared> with a> > supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is

> there is> > no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be> allowed to> > access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This> is> > already a big problem.

> >> > There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of> the> > rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't> > participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is

> zilch, yet> > they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological> but of> > all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious.> Is it a> > price that I have to pay to be in a group?

> >> > If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make> more> > such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the> moderators to> > screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully.

> Always> > I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the> group,> > both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can> > forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can

> be> > public, but then do the active participants become public properties!> >> > //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the> going> > ons here, and would help in creating membership.//

> > For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary> > conversations for all to view.> >> > //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered

> thinking> > that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew> the> > potential here.//> > If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there

> > anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the> library,> > make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any> worth in> > it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available

> membership and> > see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> >> >> > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as> a> > good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case

> the> > numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do,> rightly.> > Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,> > only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here,

> so we> > have no fears./.> >> > I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the> beholder… not> > all treat this as a divine science.> >> > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views

> here,> > at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for> that...> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear Neelam ji

sure ,a prvt grp is not a nuclear club ,just strok of mouse any body can join here even the nuisance makers .That is why i support for a private grp .

 

Sharing knowledge should be pure and selfless, but in this age of materialisation and commercialisation, how many in this group would be here for the plain pleasure of sharing? Yes ,No one can do sharing of knowledge in plain pleasure of sharing for various reasons .we can do to the extent of wat ever we can do in this Kali yuga till our situations allow us

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji and group,> > In any case, it can hardly be called a private group. It takes less than 30> seconds for any one to sign in and there are some people who sign in with> multiple ids.> Such a group may even become a hunting ground for people having hidden> agendas of personal gains in the garb of sharing astro-gyan. We have already> witnessed one such instance in the recent past. Sharing knowledge should be> pure and selfless, but in this age of materialisation and commercialisation,> how many in this group would be here for the plain pleasure of sharing?> > Regards> Neelam> > 2008/7/23 sunil nair astro_tellerkerala:> > >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > dear neelam ji and bhaskar ji,> >> > we r a grp of like minded ppl gathered here for a common cause ,so i> > also feel our grp shud keep private ,it does not mean that we r restricting> > any one but like neelam ji said we can only giv any thing to rightful ppl> > only to those who deserve .> >> > The pestering elements how we can tackle i dont know .this will carry on> > so long as others dont hav self respect.> >> > Other wise bhaskar ji all ur points are valid and taken in good spirit .As> > i know ur contributions and still ready to face any hardships even tho many> > has harassed u and still u stand for good causes.> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > >> > > All your points are well taken and stand on firm ground. Yes the> > > nuisance part, i just overlooked. Whatever problems you may be facing, i> > > am too facing continously since last 2 years . All sorts of people turn> > > up with wierd queries on chat ( Now I have already stopped chatting ),> > > email, and phones, and some cannot take no for an answer. I can> > > understand you being a active member with a attractive name, what could> > > be your fate.> > >> > > Most of the important points of your mail crossed my mind before I put> > > my thoughts in writing, especially the " supatra " point, but then> > > another point immediately crossed my point, that the " kupatras " also> > > have access to many books available in the market and read.> > >> > > But all the same, apart from whatever I have said, your take is> > > absolutely justified.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > >> > > > I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your> > > well-meaning and> > > > gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not> > > be> > > > aware of.> > > >> > > > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are> > > behaving in> > > > a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not> > > allow> > > > recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and> > > spreading> > > > what each of us posesses.//> > > >> > > > I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the> > > first> > > > one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs> > > for the> > > > kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared> > > with a> > > > supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is> > > there is> > > > no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be> > > allowed to> > > > access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This> > > is> > > > already a big problem.> > > >> > > > There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of> > > the> > > > rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't> > > > participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is> > > zilch, yet> > > > they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological> > > but of> > > > all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious.> > > Is it a> > > > price that I have to pay to be in a group?> > > >> > > > If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make> > > more> > > > such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the> > > moderators to> > > > screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully.> > > Always> > > > I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the> > > group,> > > > both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can> > > > forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can> > > be> > > > public, but then do the active participants become public properties!> > > >> > > > //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the> > > going> > > > ons here, and would help in creating membership.//> > > > For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary> > > > conversations for all to view.> > > >> > > > //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered> > > thinking> > > > that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew> > > the> > > > potential here.//> > > > If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there> > > > anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the> > > library,> > > > make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any> > > worth in> > > > it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available> > > membership and> > > > see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> > > >> > > >> > > > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as> > > a> > > > good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case> > > the> > > > numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do,> > > rightly.> > > > Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,> > > > only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here,> > > so we> > > > have no fears./.> > > >> > > > I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the> > > beholder… not> > > > all treat this as a divine science.> > > >> > > > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views> > > here,> > > > at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for> > > that...> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> > > >>

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Dear Shri Pathiji,

//I find a great enthusiasm among the experts to give lengthy details in some of the postings. I submit my suggestion with humbleness that we need not continue to give lengthy 'reasons'//

Sir, I am not sure what you meant exactly by the above, but let me confess that if my Gurus had not shown enthusaism in giving lengthy explanations, then I would not have been there, where I am now.

My last post on Rectification of Birth, which was also explained at length and time given to it, was not for my benefit, I dont get paid here or some Gold medal on these Forums, i am genuinely looking for people to change their techniqies to Bhava Chalit, Nakshatra usage etc. and all my efforts since last year have been directed at such activities on the forum for general good of astrology. You would also be gald to know that after that last post, i have received numerous mails informing me that they have started working as per the contents of my mail, and few of them have succeded too. I am here for this. To bring in a revolution.

The scondary part is commercial benefits. which we all know does not accrue even 1 % on these Forums, so if one puts in extra time, efforts and lengthy explanations, it may not be all the time to show ones smartness, where there are no prizes given, but it may be a genuine attempt to share Knowledge.

Those who find these postings lengthy always have the option to delete or pass those mails and move ahead.

regards,bhaskar.

 

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:>> > > Dear Neelam ji, Bhaskar ji, Sunil ji and other members,> > I look at it in two ways, while accepting the contentions of Neelam ji and Bhaskar ji. One : forbidding new entrants, will not help those who 'recently' got aware of this group and the number of new participants will be few. Second : the advanced discussions on a vast subject as Astrology, will be difficult to be understood by a new entrant into this group, in a middle stage, and this will end his association as a silent follower sitting on a gallery. Then we will say that 50 out of 2500 are only active. In my opinion all the 2500 are active and they develop their interest in these discussions.> > To find a middle path, one has to filter the membership before accepting the submission. That could end up as a full time job for some one in the group.> > I find a great enthusiasm among the experts to give lengthy details in some of the postings. I submit my suggestion with humbleness that we need not continue to give lengthy 'reasons'. Of course, the discussions are within those who have interest and knowledge in the subject. So the length of 'post' could be short.> > In conclusion, this group could become a group of 'selected' members, while not exclusively 'private'.> > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:50:49 AM> Re: Re: Group should be private or Public? - Please vote> > > Dear Bhaskarji,> I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your well-meaning and gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not be aware of.> > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not allow recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and spreading what each of us posesses.//> I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the first one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs for the kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared with a supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is there is no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be allowed to access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This is already a big problem.> There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of the rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is zilch, yet they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological but of all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious. Is it a price that I have to pay to be in a group?> If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make more such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the moderators to screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully. Always I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the group, both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can be public, but then do the active participants become public properties!> //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the going ons here, and would help in creating membership./ /> For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary conversations for all to view.> //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered thinking that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew the potential here.//> If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the library, make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any worth in it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available membership and see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as a good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case the> numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do, rightly. Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,> only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so we have no fears./.> I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the beholder… not all treat this as a divine science.> > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here, at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for that...> Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Neelam ji,==>> Always I have to be careful about the nasty elements while

writing in the group, both for > astrological writings and for non-astrological

topics. I can forward you the kind of mails I get> and just ignore… The group

can be public, but then do the active participants > become public properties!> This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here,> at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harassing me for that...<== I love the boldness with with you express some unique ideas!! I agree with you. ==>> Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views.....<== No, bhasker ji is it OUR forum - your, mine and all of us present in this group. Let us all go by the group opinion. Group Opinion==========41 ppl voted; 22 in favor of a Private group and 19 in favor of a Public group. The difference is just 3. But still votes were always more in favor of being a private group. Since now the votes are in favor of being a private group, let us convert it to a private group, But still let us keep the poll open. If at any point of time the votes in favor of a Public group becomes more (i.e. at least 5+ votes more than the other opinion, then convert the group back to Public). I think this would be more democratic. Note: Now onwards the group is a Private one.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > I beg to differ with you on this account. I understand your well-meaning and> gracious thoughts, but I have certain reservations which you may not be> aware of.> > //By voting against a Public Forum, it may also mean that we are behaving in> a selfish manner, and wish to discuss only between ourselves and not allow> recourse to others. This contradicts the principle of sharing and spreading> what each of us posesses.//> > I agree that one should share and impart knowledge. And I will be the first> one to do that, but I guess there is always an eligibility one needs for the> kind of knowledge he wants to gain. The knowledge can be best shared with a> supatra only. This is a group of advanced astrology, and as it is there is> no screening or filtering of memberships. Any passerby may not be allowed to> access all resources of the group. It is open to all and sundry. This is> already a big problem.> > There are 2400+ members but not more than 50 active members. Many of the> rest only have a nuisance value for the active members. They don't> participate in any discussion and their knowledge of astrology is zilch, yet> they keep pestering us privately for requests, not only astrological but of> all kinds…. This is like harassment, and I find it most obnoxious. Is it a> price that I have to pay to be in a group?> > If this group becomes a thoroughfare, don't you think this will make more> such characters to creep in? In fact, I wanted to request the moderators to> screen the membership so that people like us can express peacefully. Always> I have to be careful about the nasty elements while writing in the group,> both for astrological writings and for non-astrological topics. I can> forward you the kind of mails I get and just ignore… The group can be> public, but then do the active participants become public properties!> > //When it is Public, then people passing through, get an idea of the going> ons here, and would help in creating membership.//> For this, moderators can showcase their credentials and some exemplary> conversations for all to view.> > //Even I myself knew the existence of this Forum, but never entered thinking> that it must be like all the others, until I was invited, I never knew the> potential here.//> If one is destined to meet someone or get something, he'll reach there> anyhow. And then, even for public libraries, one has to go upto the library,> make an effort to see what is available and continue if he sees any worth in> it. For this group, one can sign in for the freely available membership and> see what is there for him, otherwise drop out.> > > //Of course this is Your Forum, and I can only put my views forward as a> good member. The ultimate decisions lies with You. But in this case the> numbers may not be showing exactly what me may be supposed to do, rightly.> Knowledge is to share and even if the Forum is made Public,> only those who are attracted, to this Divine Science would come here, so we> have no fears./.> > I think I answered this one… divinity is in the eyes of the beholder… not> all treat this as a divine science.> > This group may be neither mine, or yours, but if we express our views here,> at least I would not like any tom dick and harry harrassing me for that...> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,Thank you for your love and support as always. I always appreciate your wise and balanced approach. While I am receptive to new ideas, I also try to put forth my apprehensions and raise my voice against injustice. Not because I have any problem myself....I know how to handle such situations, but the people who become a nuisance, must realize that they are not right.

While on rebels…. well its nice if you feel there are are so many of them in the group. Rebels are the catalysts of change in any society. It is they who take the system forward. A mind which does not question is a dead mind. Even our doctrines, our beliefs…. we need to question everything to get to the truth. We should not be bound or imprisoned with anything.

That includes even our religious beliefs, dogmas…. e.g. the way we think and believe....God should be like this – playing the flute, carrying the bow and arrow – and then we endeavour to impose our own imagination on God. If we get visions of Krishna playing the flute or of Rama with his bow and arrow....we don't become realized souls….these are only projections of our mind and have no connection with the Truth.

One has to break away from all these things to be able to see the truth….one has to be rebellious... and this applies equally to our quests in astrology.RegardsNeelam