RE: Chart for analysis (From BV Raman's book): Let us see diff opinions

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiran Rama ji,I haven't made the chart, but I see here a basic difference in understanding. You are saying, //For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so this can indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should indicate gain of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with time. 8HL is aspected by Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more strength to 8HL and also aspected by 7HL who is malefic Mars//

It is not the right interpretation.8H is longevity of self only, but maraka (2H) for husband as also for marriage. Agreed 8H is also mangalaya for marriage, but if there is no longevity for husband, how will one enjoy the mangalaya. And then always remember, 8H is 8H, so you tread there with caution. Any affliction to 2/8 axis is bad for marriage and if badly afflicted can cause death of partner. Why do you think Mars is denied the 8H in relation to marriage? Only because in 8H it is in maraksthan and not good for longevity of husband and marriage and from 8H it aspects 10H (happiness of marriage), 2H (another maraksthan for marriage) and 3H (bhagya of marriage). Parashar has only pardoned a mars in scorpio or aries, or capricorn i.e own house or exaltation to some extent, but malefics are malefics -- that too in 8H!!

Now you try your analysis in this new light and you'll sort out the problem. RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear Kiran ji

 

Pls tell me the date of marriage and the time of mishap happned exact dates if possible and will reduce our work and can come to direct answers .

 

also always giv the place of birth along with charts .

 

If u see the chart ,u see 7th Lord and karaka for married life is papakartari ,also u can see gulika with venus and gulika has given its amsa also there .So the karaka is heavily afflicted ,Also 8th house has ketu ,the place of longitivity of marriage ,( both frm lagna and karaka) .

And see the dasa happening around the time of marriage ,is rahu who is placed in 2nd house ( house of maraka ) frm the karaka and lagna .Also when 2nd house has malefics ( as its 8th house --house of death frm the house of partner ) 8th frm 7th house ) ,also in most of the charts if 2nd house has has malefics its one of the signification that ur partner will die b4 ur death .(depends on chart it may be early or later ) ,also dasa is determining .

 

Also the matching is impotant and also the longitivity factor of in husbands charts is also to be considered to declare full result .

 

that is why i am saying marriage matchting is not a childs play and only very experecned astrologer who has high proficiency in prashna and hora and jataka can be do it justifiably .Here PPl post for matchting in internet grps .

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> I am attaching my analysis of below chart in BV Raman - My analysis> differs from BV Ramanji for longevity of married life analysis> > Date of birth: 7-Oct-1954 > Time: 10 PM> Place of birth: 12N18, 76E42> > > My analysis:> 7H has Venus the lagna lord and 12H Lord in it (Mixed: Lagna lord is> good and as 12H lord - of loss is bad)> Ju Lord of 8th house and 11th house is aspecting the 7th house> (Jupiter in 7H is good as benefic, but as lord of 8th house> > 7HL Ma is in 8H which is dustana (bad for the 7th house)> 7HL Ma is with Ra - a malefic and he is afflicting Ma> Ma is aspected by Yogakaraka Sa (which is good) - and removes the> affliction partially> Ma is aspected by Ke - which is again a malefic - afflicting it> > Overall most of the things for 7H are bad in this case - so bad> marriage can be predicted> > For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so this can> indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should> indicate gain of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with time.> 8HL is aspected by Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more strength> to 8HL and also aspected by 7HL who is malefic Mars> > Given this I cannot decipher how loss of marriage and death of husband> within 10 months has been predicted> > Can anyone else help in solving the puzzle?> > Thanks> Kiran> > Thanks> Kiran>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

Queries by Kiran ji and your explanations are highly appreciated. It paves the way to clear doubts and more knowledge. ...thanks.

Just one thing...

"in 8H it is in maraksthan and not good for longevity of husband and marriage and from 8H it aspects 10H (happiness of marriage)"

From 8H, Mars aspects 11H and not 10H....right? Since 11H is 5th house from the 7H, can 11H be considered for children as well? Hence, Mars in 8H aspecting 11H [5th from 7th house], will contribute to denial of children? Correct me if I am wrong

blessings

Renu

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Kiran Rama ji,> > I haven't made the chart, but I see here a basic difference in> understanding. You are saying,> > //For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so this can> indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should indicate gain> of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with time. 8HL is aspected by> Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more strength to 8HL and also aspected> by 7HL who is malefic Mars//> > It is not the right interpretation.> > 8H is longevity of self only, but maraka (2H) for husband as also for> marriage. Agreed 8H is also mangalaya for marriage, but if there is no> longevity for husband, how will one enjoy the mangalaya. And then always> remember, 8H is 8H, so you tread there with caution. Any affliction to 2/8> axis is bad for marriage and if badly afflicted can cause death of partner.> Why do you think Mars is denied the 8H in relation to marriage? Only because> in 8H it is in maraksthan and not good for longevity of husband and marriage> and from 8H it aspects 10H (happiness of marriage), 2H (another maraksthan> for marriage) and 3H (bhagya of marriage). Parashar has only pardoned a mars> in scorpio or aries, or capricorn i.e own house or exaltation to some> extent, but malefics are malefics -- that too in 8H!!> > Now you try your analysis in this new light and you'll sort out the> problem.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiran ji,

 

In BV Raman ji's charts, he may be using Raman Ayanamsa. Hence there

is a slight possibility of change of placement of planets and/or

respective dasas.

 

Also kindly give the place of birth of native to whom the example

chart belongs....Thanks.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> I am attaching my analysis of below chart in BV Raman - My analysis

> differs from BV Ramanji for longevity of married life analysis

>

> Date of birth: 7-Oct-1954

> Time: 10 PM

> Place of birth: 12N18, 76E42

>

>

> My analysis:

> 7H has Venus the lagna lord and 12H Lord in it (Mixed: Lagna lord

is

> good and as 12H lord - of loss is bad)

> Ju Lord of 8th house and 11th house is aspecting the 7th house

> (Jupiter in 7H is good as benefic, but as lord of 8th house

>

> 7HL Ma is in 8H which is dustana (bad for the 7th house)

> 7HL Ma is with Ra - a malefic and he is afflicting Ma

> Ma is aspected by Yogakaraka Sa (which is good) - and removes the

> affliction partially

> Ma is aspected by Ke - which is again a malefic - afflicting it

>

> Overall most of the things for 7H are bad in this case - so bad

> marriage can be predicted

>

> For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so this

can

> indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should

> indicate gain of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with

time.

> 8HL is aspected by Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more

strength

> to 8HL and also aspected by 7HL who is malefic Mars

>

> Given this I cannot decipher how loss of marriage and death of

husband

> within 10 months has been predicted

>

> Can anyone else help in solving the puzzle?

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,Thank you very much Renu ji. Its a mistake. I really appreciate and it is reassuring that I have an audience!! Of course, it will aspect 11H from 8H. Thanks and yes could impact children, desires, etc.

Regards

[Guest guest]

dear Neelamji,

why shud aspect of mars from 8th on 11th impact

progeny? If the 5th fromlagna is not afflicted I feel

that aspect of mars on 11th will not affect progeny

though u say that 11th is 5th from 7th.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

[Guest guest]

Namaste Kiran

 

My thoughts for what they are worth are:

7th and 12th Lord

Mars is heavily afflicted in 8th Hse by Rahu and Exalted Sani in 6th

Hse. Venus being Lord of Asc and 6th Hse and natural Karaka is in 7th

Hse afflicted by Jup (Lord of 8th and 11th Hse’s)

and hemmed by Malefics Sani, Mars and Rahu. Venus as 6th Lord in 7th

is Bad ie not good from “marriage”

viewpoint. See Jup is heavily afflicted by Mars and Sani – hence has to

give negative affects as far as “marriage partners” longevity goes

even though is exalted. Mer (2nd and 5th Lord) is afflicted

in 6th Hse with exalted Sani and Ketu in 2nd Hse.

 

Per dates given –

married in Aug ’76 in Rahu/Ven/Sun …. Rahu is with

7th Lord in D1 and is co-lord of 7th Hse and placed in 2nd

Hse in Nav hence capable of giving marriage and is significator of “sudden”

events. Sun is 4th Lord placed in 5th Hse of Romance and

is Nav Asc Lord with Ven in 12th Hse of Nav hence again capable of

giving marriage.

Husband drowned and died in June ’77

in Rahu/Ven/Rahu/Ven – see earlier comments ……

 

Guess key points in this example as

explained by BV Raman were:

a) 7th

Lord Mars in 8th Hse with Sani’s aspect on it with Rahu’s

association indicates loss of husband or “vaidhavya” during Mars

and Rahu Dasa

b) classic dictum

“if Rahu combines with Mars and Sani and occupies the 7th or 8th

Hse, early widowhood is indicated”

c) Rahu is in 8th

afflicting 8th Hse with Mars and Sani

d) Venus Kalatra karaka

and Lagna lord in 7th Hse is afflicted by “papakartari“ yoga hence

deprived married life in its sub-period

 

My suggestion would be to always keep the prevailing

Dasa periods running in mind for deciphering as to what is likely to occur …….

 

Hope some of the above has helped in furthering

your understanding of the chart?

 

Best wishes ……

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

P.S have taken 10:01pm to get Leo Nav Asc

per book ……

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of kiran.rama

25 May 2008 08:03

 

Subject:

Chart for analysis (From BV Raman's book): Let us

see diff opinions

 

 

 

 

 

I am attaching my analysis of below chart in BV Raman

- My analysis

differs from BV Ramanji for longevity of married life analysis

 

Date of birth: 7-Oct-1954

Time: 10 PM

Place of birth: 12N18, 76E42

 

My analysis:

7H has Venus the lagna lord and 12H Lord in it (Mixed: Lagna lord is

good and as 12H lord - of loss is bad)

Ju Lord of 8th house and 11th house is aspecting the 7th house

(Jupiter in 7H is good as benefic, but as lord of 8th house

 

7HL Ma is in 8H which is dustana (bad for the 7th house)

7HL Ma is with Ra - a malefic and he is afflicting Ma

Ma is aspected by Yogakaraka Sa (which is good) - and removes the

affliction partially

Ma is aspected by Ke - which is again a malefic - afflicting it

 

Overall most of the things for 7H are bad in this case - so bad

marriage can be predicted

 

For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so this can

indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should

indicate gain of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with time.

8HL is aspected by Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more strength

to 8HL and also aspected by 7HL who is malefic Mars

 

Given this I cannot decipher how loss of marriage and death of husband

within 10 months has been predicted

 

Can anyone else help in solving the puzzle?

 

Thanks

Kiran

 

Thanks

Kiran

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear kiran ji

sorry i took a wrong time or the feeding slipped to frm PM to Am .

so here the reading

the lagna is taurus ,u can see 8th House is heavily afflicted ,7th Lord afflicted and karaka for 7th venus afflicted and possible dasa at the time of marriage is rahu so it maraka to karaka and 7th house and afflicting 7th Lord .

Then the rest depends this ladies husbands chart and logitivity .

 

sorry for hurry writing b4 .

 

regrds sunilnair

om shreem mahalaxmainamah .

 

 

 

 

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear Kiran ji> > > > Pls tell me the date of marriage and the time of mishap happned exact> dates if possible and will reduce our work and can come to direct> answers .> > > > also always giv the place of birth along with charts .> > > > If u see the chart ,u see 7th Lord and karaka for married life is> papakartari ,also u can see gulika with venus and gulika has given its> amsa also there .So the karaka is heavily afflicted ,Also 8th house has> ketu ,the place of longitivity of marriage ,( both frm lagna and karaka)> .> > And see the dasa happening around the time of marriage ,is rahu who is> placed in 2nd house ( house of maraka ) frm the karaka and lagna .Also> when 2nd house has malefics ( as its 8th house --house of death frm the> house of partner ) 8th frm 7th house ) ,also in most of the charts if> 2nd house has has malefics its one of the signification that ur partner> will die b4 ur death .(depends on chart it may be early or later ) ,also> dasa is determining .> > > > Also the matching is impotant and also the longitivity factor of in> husbands charts is also to be considered to declare full result .> > > > that is why i am saying marriage matchting is not a childs play and only> very experecned astrologer who has high proficiency in prashna and hora> and jataka can be do it justifiably .Here PPl post for matchting in> internet grps .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > , "kiran.rama"> kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > I am attaching my analysis of below chart in BV Raman - My analysis> > differs from BV Ramanji for longevity of married life analysis> >> > Date of birth: 7-Oct-1954> > Time: 10 PM> > Place of birth: 12N18, 76E42> >> >> > My analysis:> > 7H has Venus the lagna lord and 12H Lord in it (Mixed: Lagna lord is> > good and as 12H lord - of loss is bad)> > Ju Lord of 8th house and 11th house is aspecting the 7th house> > (Jupiter in 7H is good as benefic, but as lord of 8th house> >> > 7HL Ma is in 8H which is dustana (bad for the 7th house)> > 7HL Ma is with Ra - a malefic and he is afflicting Ma> > Ma is aspected by Yogakaraka Sa (which is good) - and removes the> > affliction partially> > Ma is aspected by Ke - which is again a malefic - afflicting it> >> > Overall most of the things for 7H are bad in this case - so bad> > marriage can be predicted> >> > For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so this can> > indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should> > indicate gain of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with time.> > 8HL is aspected by Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more strength> > to 8HL and also aspected by 7HL who is malefic Mars> >> > Given this I cannot decipher how loss of marriage and death of husband> > within 10 months has been predicted> >> > Can anyone else help in solving the puzzle?> >> > Thanks> > Kiran> >> > Thanks> > Kiran> >>

[Guest guest]

Namaste K Gopu

 

Maybe perhaps from a viewpoint of 11th being 5th from 7th Hse

hence implying children from Partner’s perspective? Also 8th Hse

is 4th from 5th Hse ie giving “Argala” to 5th

Hse of children per Jaimini and hence has an impact?

 

Best regards ….

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of K Gopu

25 May 2008 14:28

 

Re:

Re: Chart for analysis (From BV Raman's book): Let

us see diff opinions

 

 

 

 

 

dear Neelamji,

why shud aspect of mars from 8th on 11th impact

progeny? If the 5th fromlagna is not afflicted I feel

that aspect of mars on 11th will not affect progeny

though u say that 11th is 5th from 7th.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

You DO HAVE an audience What do you think we are doing here, when

you explain so enthusiastically and logically almost all the queries

put up here?

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> Thank you very much Renu ji. Its a mistake. I really appreciate and

it is

> reassuring that I have an audience!! Of course, it will aspect 11H

from 8H.

> Thanks and yes could impact children, desires, etc.

>

> Regards

>

[Guest guest]

Dear kiranji,

 

Dr.B.V.Raman has also included another dictum in the same volume

II,on page 5- " venus in the 7th for taurus ascendent threatens death

to wife " .He has also highlighted this in the chart on page 50, " venus

is kalatrakaraka and lagna lord but his presence in 7th house only

afflicts him by the papakartari yoga (and also by way of above dictum)

Then rest as Sunilji and others have explained

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear kiran ji

>

> sorry i took a wrong time or the feeding slipped to frm PM to

Am .

>

> so here the reading

>

> the lagna is taurus ,u can see 8th House is heavily afflicted ,7th

Lord

> afflicted and karaka for 7th venus afflicted and possible dasa at

the

> time of marriage is rahu so it maraka to karaka and 7th house and

> afflicting 7th Lord .

>

> Then the rest depends this ladies husbands chart and logitivity .

>

>

>

> sorry for hurry writing b4 .

>

>

>

> regrds sunilnair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmainamah .

>

>

>

>

, " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> >

> > dear Kiran ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Pls tell me the date of marriage and the time of mishap happned

exact

> > dates if possible and will reduce our work and can come to direct

> > answers .

> >

> >

> >

> > also always giv the place of birth along with charts .

> >

> >

> >

> > If u see the chart ,u see 7th Lord and karaka for married life is

> > papakartari ,also u can see gulika with venus and gulika has

given its

> > amsa also there .So the karaka is heavily afflicted ,Also 8th

house

> has

> > ketu ,the place of longitivity of marriage ,( both frm lagna and

> karaka)

> > .

> >

> > And see the dasa happening around the time of marriage ,is rahu

who is

> > placed in 2nd house ( house of maraka ) frm the karaka and

lagna .Also

> > when 2nd house has malefics ( as its 8th house --house of death

frm

> the

> > house of partner ) 8th frm 7th house ) ,also in most of the

charts if

> > 2nd house has has malefics its one of the signification that ur

> partner

> > will die b4 ur death .(depends on chart it may be early or later )

> ,also

> > dasa is determining .

> >

> >

> >

> > Also the matching is impotant and also the longitivity factor of

in

> > husbands charts is also to be considered to declare full result .

> >

> >

> >

> > that is why i am saying marriage matchting is not a childs play

and

> only

> > very experecned astrologer who has high proficiency in prashna and

> hora

> > and jataka can be do it justifiably .Here PPl post for matchting

in

> > internet grps .

> >

> >

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " kiran.rama "

> > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I am attaching my analysis of below chart in BV Raman - My

analysis

> > > differs from BV Ramanji for longevity of married life analysis

> > >

> > > Date of birth: 7-Oct-1954

> > > Time: 10 PM

> > > Place of birth: 12N18, 76E42

> > >

> > >

> > > My analysis:

> > > 7H has Venus the lagna lord and 12H Lord in it (Mixed: Lagna

lord is

> > > good and as 12H lord - of loss is bad)

> > > Ju Lord of 8th house and 11th house is aspecting the 7th house

> > > (Jupiter in 7H is good as benefic, but as lord of 8th house

> > >

> > > 7HL Ma is in 8H which is dustana (bad for the 7th house)

> > > 7HL Ma is with Ra - a malefic and he is afflicting Ma

> > > Ma is aspected by Yogakaraka Sa (which is good) - and removes

the

> > > affliction partially

> > > Ma is aspected by Ke - which is again a malefic - afflicting it

> > >

> > > Overall most of the things for 7H are bad in this case - so bad

> > > marriage can be predicted

> > >

> > > For longevity 8H is in upachaya house which is 3rd house (so

this

> can

> > > indicate gain of mangalya) -> 8HL in upachaya 3rd house should

> > > indicate gain of mangalya and mangalya growing in strength with

> time.

> > > 8HL is aspected by Sa (who is exalted yogakaraka) giving more

> strength

> > > to 8HL and also aspected by 7HL who is malefic Mars

> > >

> > > Given this I cannot decipher how loss of marriage and death of

> husband

> > > within 10 months has been predicted

> > >

> > > Can anyone else help in solving the puzzle?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> >

>