Ayanamsa_Tagore

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Dear Members,

I am posting here the birth details of Mr. Rabindranath Tagore..... "only literary pride of India" !!?? with list of events in his life....would request members to use ayanamsa of their choice to predict the events and justify it with logics....

Rabindranath Tagore, 07-May-1861, 02:27 Indian Standard Time, 02:51 Local Mean Time, Place co-ordinates : 22N40, 88E30, now called Kolkatta, earlier it was Calcutta, State of West Bengal, India.

1) Marriage 9 December 1883

2) First Daughter 1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata

3) Birth of Shantiniketan 22-Dec-1901, Shantiniketan

4) Death of Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902

5) Death of daughter Renuka Sept. 1903

6) Death of Younger Son in Nov. 1907

7) Nobel Prize in Sept. 1913

8) Doctorate in Nov. 1913

9) Death on 7-Aug-1941. Tagore's last 4 yrs of his life were of illness & chronic pain. Lost Conscious in 1937 for a long period....then again in 1940 to which he finally succumbed.

10) Tagore had total 5 children

11) Joined a Public School in Brighton, England in Year 1878

12) Returned to now Kolkatta then "Calcutta" in 1880 without degree

13) Between 1878-1932 he visited 30 countries

14) In Japan between 03-May-1916 till April-1917

15) Drawing & Painting activity in his 60th year i.e. 1861+60 = 1921 onwards.

16) Theatre participation & experience started in his 16th Year i.e. 1861+16 = 1877.

 

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Hare rama krishna

dear srinivas ji and grp ,

 

I request every one to see tru both ayanamsas ( lahiri and lahiri +44 or lahiri +46 (mooladhara ayanamsa ) and ur favrble yr lenght also( saura -365 days or 360 days savana) ,and can ask quetions on it and compare it .This will help us to see which ayanamsa are working with vimshottry scheme better .

 

this problem of ayanamsa is giving to lot of new theoreis like sani improves and jup demotes theoreys as rahu sub dasa may be showing as jup and it may show all bad and jup will get blaime and jup sub dasa may be showing sat and sat will get all praise and merits ,so to stop astrology frm further corrupting with new theoreies and new schools also hide behind parmapara and no proven results and creats shouting brigade under them can eclipese u with their grp tactics and guerilla attacks .

 

So as follower of devine lite called astrology i request every one to particpate ,

 

pls contribute and help each other

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxami namah

 

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > I am posting here the birth details of Mr. Rabindranath Tagore.....> "only literary pride of India" !!?? with list of events in his> life....would request members to use ayanamsa of their choice to predict> the events and justify it with logics....> > Rabindranath Tagore, 07-May-1861, 02:27 Indian Standard Time, 02:51> Local Mean Time, Place co-ordinates : 22N40, 88E30, now called> Kolkatta, earlier it was Calcutta, State of West Bengal, India.> > 1) Marriage 9 December 1883> > 2) First Daughter 1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata> > 3) Birth of Shantiniketan 22-Dec-1901, Shantiniketan> > 4) Death of Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902> > 5) Death of daughter Renuka Sept. 1903> > 6) Death of Younger Son in Nov. 1907> > 7) Nobel Prize in Sept. 1913> > 8) Doctorate in Nov. 1913> > 9) Death on 7-Aug-1941. Tagore's last 4 yrs of his life were of> illness & chronic pain. Lost Conscious in 1937 for a long> period....then again in 1940 to which he finally succumbed.> > 10) Tagore had total 5 children> > 11) Joined a Public School in Brighton, England in Year 1878> > 12) Returned to now Kolkatta then "Calcutta" in 1880 without degree> > 13) Between 1878-1932 he visited 30 countries> > 14) In Japan between 03-May-1916 till April-1917> > 15) Drawing & Painting activity in his 60th year i.e. 1861+60 = 1921> onwards.> > 16) Theatre participation & experience started in his 16th Year i.e.> 1861+16 = 1877.>

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Srinivasji,

I have another " variation " of RN Tagore's birthtime as 2:38:37 am

LMT (as there was no IST during that time).

Pls check & confirm.

Thank you,

.

 

 

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I am posting here the birth details of Mr. Rabindranath Tagore.....

> " only literary pride of India " !!?? with list of events in his

> life....would request members to use ayanamsa of their choice to

predict

> the events and justify it with logics....

>

> Rabindranath Tagore, 07-May-1861, 02:27 Indian Standard Time,

02:51

> Local Mean Time, Place co-ordinates : 22N40, 88E30, now called

> Kolkatta, earlier it was Calcutta, State of West Bengal, India.

>

> 1) Marriage 9 December 1883

>

> 2) First Daughter 1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata

>

> 3) Birth of Shantiniketan 22-Dec-1901, Shantiniketan

>

> 4) Death of Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902

>

> 5) Death of daughter Renuka Sept. 1903

>

> 6) Death of Younger Son in Nov. 1907

>

> 7) Nobel Prize in Sept. 1913

>

> 8) Doctorate in Nov. 1913

>

> 9) Death on 7-Aug-1941. Tagore's last 4 yrs of his life were of

> illness & chronic pain. Lost Conscious in 1937 for a long

> period....then again in 1940 to which he finally succumbed.

>

> 10) Tagore had total 5 children

>

> 11) Joined a Public School in Brighton, England in Year 1878

>

> 12) Returned to now Kolkatta then " Calcutta " in 1880 without

degree

>

> 13) Between 1878-1932 he visited 30 countries

>

> 14) In Japan between 03-May-1916 till April-1917

>

> 15) Drawing & Painting activity in his 60th year i.e. 1861+60 =

1921

> onwards.

>

> 16) Theatre participation & experience started in his 16th Year

i.e.

> 1861+16 = 1877.

>

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Dear Gaurav,

 

I have checked from other well known sources including few astro

magazines....prior to posting this data... Knowing that there is NO

Indian Standard Time, I have mentioned Local Mean Time also

alongside....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " "

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Shree Srinivasji,

> I have another " variation " of RN Tagore's birthtime as 2:38:37 am

> LMT (as there was no IST during that time).

> Pls check & confirm.

> Thank you,

> .

>

>

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Dear Sreeram ji,

 

Please confirm lagna & navamsa: Pisces & Leo.

 

 

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I am posting here the birth details of Mr. Rabindranath Tagore.....

> " only literary pride of India " !!?? with list of events in his

> life....would request members to use ayanamsa of their choice to

predict

> the events and justify it with logics....

>

> Rabindranath Tagore, 07-May-1861, 02:27 Indian Standard Time,

02:51

> Local Mean Time, Place co-ordinates : 22N40, 88E30, now called

> Kolkatta, earlier it was Calcutta, State of West Bengal, India.

>

> 1) Marriage 9 December 1883

>

> 2) First Daughter 1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata

>

> 3) Birth of Shantiniketan 22-Dec-1901, Shantiniketan

>

> 4) Death of Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902

>

> 5) Death of daughter Renuka Sept. 1903

>

> 6) Death of Younger Son in Nov. 1907

>

> 7) Nobel Prize in Sept. 1913

>

> 8) Doctorate in Nov. 1913

>

> 9) Death on 7-Aug-1941. Tagore's last 4 yrs of his life were of

> illness & chronic pain. Lost Conscious in 1937 for a long

> period....then again in 1940 to which he finally succumbed.

>

> 10) Tagore had total 5 children

>

> 11) Joined a Public School in Brighton, England in Year 1878

>

> 12) Returned to now Kolkatta then " Calcutta " in 1880 without

degree

>

> 13) Between 1878-1932 he visited 30 countries

>

> 14) In Japan between 03-May-1916 till April-1917

>

> 15) Drawing & Painting activity in his 60th year i.e. 1861+60 =

1921

> onwards.

>

> 16) Theatre participation & experience started in his 16th Year

i.e.

> 1861+16 = 1877.

>

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Namaste Madam ji,

Yes......it is correct....Lagna & Navamsa is confirmed.

with regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreeram ji,> > Please confirm lagna & navamsa: Pisces & Leo.> > > > blessings> > Renu>

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Dear Srinivas ji,Did you choose a 7th May chart purposely to post on 7th May? I was wondering if it was akshaya tritiya also. But no, moon is not yet exalted. I think five more days to go for that. But its good to remember the great soul on his birth day.

RegardsNeelam

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Srinivasji & learned Members,

I have tried my best to solve the "riddle" as given by Shree Srinivasji. The ayanamsha I have used is Chitripaksha Ayanamsa(which you also call Lahiri) & 365.25 days for Dasa calculation. Please forgive any shortcomings. There have been few exceptions with the actual event. The exceptions are underlined however.

 

Details:Rabindranath Tagore, 07-May-1861, 02:27 Indian Standard Time, 02:51 Local Mean Time, Place co-ordinates : 22N40, 88E30, now called Kolkatta, earlier it was Calcutta, State of West Bengal, India.

 

 

1) Marriage 9 December 1883---

(i)Dasa was of Venus Mahadasa, Sun antardasa . Venus is the natural significator, & sun is associated with the natural significator

(ii)Jupiter in trine from Natal Venus in Navamsha

(iii)In Navamsha Venus is in 3rd from Navamsha Lagna, Sun in 4th from Navamsha but in 2nd from Dasapati Venus. Its clear that marriage happening in Dasa, where the Dasa lord is in apoklima from Navamsha Lagna, doesn't continue. The marital life was there for 19 years only.

2) First Daughter 1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata

(i) Dasa was Venus, Antardasa was Moon/Mars. I think it was Moon antardasa. Moon is in the Nakshatra of Yogi.

(ii)Transits on 1st January, 1886 --- Jupiter aspects the natal 5th lord from Virgo, Saturn transits over the natal 9th lord & also aspects the natal 5th lord, Mars was aspecting the natal 5th lord & natal 9th house.(Rao's theory).

(iii)What wonders me is the position of Venus in 12th house from Saptamsha Lagna. Again Venus is no way connected to the Lagna/ Lagna Lord, 5th house/5th lord, 9th house/9th Lord or 5th house/lord & 9th house/lord of Jupiter. As per my understanding, the first issue should have been a son, not a daughter. This part is highly misleading to me!!

3) Birth of Shantiniketan 22-Dec-1901, Shantiniketan

(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's & negative Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative Nakshatra (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).

(ii) In Rashi chart, Rahu in 9th from Sun & Rahu in 10th. Dispositor of Rahu is exalted. Rahu is aspected by a Yogakarak (Mars). This period is also good for Dhana Yoga (Sun exalted in Lagna with 8th lord & aspecting 8th house [thus inheritance] & Rahu receives aspect of Mars [2nd & 9th lord]).

(iii)In Dasamsa Chart, Sun in Dasamsa Lagna & Rahu in 9th from Dasamsa Lagna.

4) Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902

(i)Dasa was Sun MD, Jupiter AD. Jupiter & Sun in kendras of each other. Good

(ii)Sun, the 12th lord from 7th house is with 7th lord in 8th house from seventh house. Considering 7th house as wife's lagna, when the Lagna Lord is with 12th lord in 8th house with Venus, 2nd lord & 9th lord, & also aspect of Rahu, I don't attribute longevity.

(iii)Thus sun becomes a powerful marak & Jupiter is also a marak for Virgo as it owns the 7th house.

(iv) in transit, Saturn was transiting over Capricorn. Reason?? Yoga Pinda for Venus AV is 218 & 7th house from Venus in Venus's Astakavarga has 3 benefic dots. 218*3=654. 654/12=54 & balance of 6th sign i.e. Virgo. The trikonas from Virgo are Capricorn & Tauras.

5) Death of daughter Renuka Sept. 1903

(i) Period was Sun MD, Saturn AD. Sun is the 6th lord (2nd lord from 5th house) & Saturn is 11 & 12th lord (7th & 8th lord from 5th house).

(ii) In Saptamsha, Sun & Saturn in 2-12 axis. Saturn is also hemmed between malefics.

6) Death of Younger Son in Nov. 1907

(i)Period was Moon MD, Mars AD. Moon in Nakshatra of Yogi, good & Mars in own Nakshatra so good. But see Saptamsha. Mars & Moon in 6-8 axis.

(ii) I don't know the date when his son passed away. Saturn was transiting over Pisces. Reason? Yoga Pinda of Jupiter is 162*8(8 benefic dots in 7th sign from Jupiter in Jupiter's AV)= 1296 1296/12=0=Pisces & its trines.

7) Nobel Prize in Sept. 1913

(i)Period was Moon MD, Ketu AD. Moon & Ketu in 4-10 axis in rashi chart. Moon in Yogi's Nakshatra is bound to do well. Ketu is with Avayogi, so good period.

(ii) In HRS Iyer's Labhamsa, Moon & ketu in 3-11 axis. Ketu in 5th from d-11 lagna & moon in 7th from d-11 lagna. I am taking D-11 into account as through Noble you also get some money.

8) Doctorate in Nov. 1913

(i)Same as above.

9) Death on 7-Aug-1941. Tagore's last 4 yrs of his life were of illness & chronic pain. Lost Conscious in 1937 for a long period....then again in 1940 to which he finally succumbed.

(i)Dasa was Jupiter MD & Jupiter AD. Since 12th lord was in 6th house, this ensured longevity. Lagna lord is also exalted. See, in 1937, dasa was Rahu-Venus. Venus is lord of 22nd drekkan & Rahu receives aspect of Mars, lord of 64th Navamsha. Is it good for health?? Venus also in Ayudha Drekkan. Even Tagore would have passed away in this period. In fact, Saturn was also transiting over Natal Moon & Lagna & it was the 3rd phase of its transit.

(ii) In D-8, Jupiter is in Marak Sthana, 2nd house from D-8 Lagna.

10) Tagore had total 5 children

(i) 5th house from Jupiter has dots by Sun, Moon & Ascendant. Sun is exalted so 1*3(since exalted)=3. Moon=1, Ascendant=1*2 (since Ascendant aspected by Ascendant lord)=2. Total 6 issues.

(ii)5th lord from Jupiter falls in RKA, leading to premature death to sons.

11) Joined a Public School in Brighton, England in Year 1878

(i)Ketu Mahadasa, Saturn Antardasa --- Ketu in 6th frm Siddhamsa Lagna, Saturn in 2nd from Ketu in Siddhamsa Chart & 7th from Siddhamsa Lagna. Result is simple, nothing beneficial.

12) Returned to now Kolkatta then "Calcutta" in 1880 without degree

(i)Mentioned in the last reason.

13) Between 1878-1932 he visited 30 countries

(i)All MD operating during this period:-

Ketu—Connected with Mars, 9th lord.

Venus—3rd & 8th lord with 7th lord.

Sun--- with 3rd lord & 8th lord & 7th lord.

Moon—in 7th lord's Nakshatra

Mars—9th lord

Rahu—Aspected by 9th lord.

14) In Japan between 03-May-1916 till April-1917

(i)Operating Period—Moon MD, Sun AD. Sun in Nakshatra of Venus, 3rd & 8th lord. Also sun associated with Venus(3rd & 8th lord) & Mercury (4th & 7th lord). Subsequent period was Mars, being the 9th lord.

15) Drawing & Painting activity in his 60th year i.e. 1861+60 = 1921 onwards.

(i) If we look crucially, Venus is actually in 3rd Bhava. The association of venus with mercury activated the drawing & painting activity. Dasa was Mars- Venus. See D-24, where Mars & Venus aspect each other.

16) Theatre participation & experience started in his 16th Year i.e. 1861+16 = 1877.

(i) Dasa was Ketu-Rahu. Rahu in Venus's Nakshatra.

I will appreciate any inputs.

Thank you,

.

 

 

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > I am posting here the birth details of Mr. Rabindranath Tagore.....> "only literary pride of India" !!?? with list of events in his> life....would request members to use ayanamsa of their choice to predict> the events and justify it with logics....> > Rabindranath Tagore, 07-May-1861, 02:27 Indian Standard Time, 02:51> Local Mean Time, Place co-ordinates : 22N40, 88E30, now called> Kolkatta, earlier it was Calcutta, State of West Bengal, India.> > 1) Marriage 9 December 1883> > 2) First Daughter 1886 – His daughter Madhuri Lata> > 3) Birth of Shantiniketan 22-Dec-1901, Shantiniketan> > 4) Death of Death of Wife – Mrinalini Devi on 23.11.1902> > 5) Death of daughter Renuka Sept. 1903> > 6) Death of Younger Son in Nov. 1907> > 7) Nobel Prize in Sept. 1913> > 8) Doctorate in Nov. 1913> > 9) Death on 7-Aug-1941. Tagore's last 4 yrs of his life were of> illness & chronic pain. Lost Conscious in 1937 for a long> period....then again in 1940 to which he finally succumbed.> > 10) Tagore had total 5 children> > 11) Joined a Public School in Brighton, England in Year 1878> > 12) Returned to now Kolkatta then "Calcutta" in 1880 without degree> > 13) Between 1878-1932 he visited 30 countries> > 14) In Japan between 03-May-1916 till April-1917> > 15) Drawing & Painting activity in his 60th year i.e. 1861+60 = 1921> onwards.> > 16) Theatre participation & experience started in his 16th Year i.e.> 1861+16 = 1877.>

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Neelamji,

The tithi on which Tagore was born was Krishna Trayodasi.Bengalis celebrate his birthday on 25th day of the 1st bengali month(25th Boishaakh) which falls tomorrow.

Thank you,

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Srinivas ji,> > Did you choose a 7th May chart purposely to post on 7th May? I was wondering> if it was akshaya tritiya also. But no, moon is not yet exalted. I think> five more days to go for that. But its good to remember the great soul on> his birth day.> > Regards> > Neelam>

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Namaste Madam ji,

 

It happened to be pure coincidental, elsewhere it is a habit !!

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivas ji,

>

> Did you choose a 7th May chart purposely to post on 7th May? I was

wondering

> if it was akshaya tritiya also. But no, moon is not yet exalted. I

think

> five more days to go for that. But its good to remember the great soul

on

> his birth day.

>

> Regards

>

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste madam ji,

 

The day happens to be English Day as per Gregorian Calendar. However,

the lunar tithis having different calculations.... which you do know,

but might have missed it, in your hurried posting !! So there is NO

linkage.....except for minor coincidence....

 

I have been asking many of friends to absorb their body energy levels -

on their birthdays

 

1) Gregorian Calendar - English date days as we call it

 

2) Hindu tithi based dates

 

The feedback that I have till date is " Hindu Tithi " dates are of more

energy than English ones.

 

Background to this - it is said everything in creation is a product of

light rays.... when they converge based on their karmic acts, with

various intensities, an earthly objects are formed.... on those

respective birthdays....there is repetition of such convergence of light

rays in that each earthly objects { as per our hindu scriptures &

vedantam}..... for this various reasons, of recharging the body, on

birthday's it is a hindu tradition or suggestion or advice, to visit

temples, do deep meditation { do not mix it with daily

activities}...etc... there is a special brilliance reflecting in one's

body or even on face..... so long you are able to differentiate it......

if you know the art ....you can read it..... else get yourself an aura

photo by going to the nearest kirlian photographic studio and spend Rs.

250 or take it yourself...!!

 

This is another 155 mm artillery barrel take on Mr. Avatar Krishen

Kaul's obsession with his Anti-Hindu_Lunar calendar...etc..

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivas ji,

>

> Did you choose a 7th May chart purposely to post on 7th May? I was

wondering

> if it was akshaya tritiya also. But no, moon is not yet exalted. I

think

> five more days to go for that. But its good to remember the great soul

on

> his birth day.

>

> Regards

>

> Neelam

>

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Dear Gaurav/Sreeram-ji/Neelam-ji,

 

Its beautiful! Shubho Robindro Jayanti to all members. Robi Thakur is

a pride not only for Bengal and Bengalis but also for the whole

world. He considered himself a Vishobasi (Universal native).

 

Here's a little about Robi Thakur, the man who wrote Indian National

Anthem!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore

 

Sorry for a non-astrological post..couldn't help my sentiments

today..missing sweet Kolkata!

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Namaste madam ji,

>

> The day happens to be English Day as per Gregorian Calendar.

However,

> the lunar tithis having different calculations.... which you do

know,

> but might have missed it, in your hurried posting !! So there is

NO

> linkage.....except for minor coincidence....

>

> I have been asking many of friends to absorb their body energy

levels -

> on their birthdays

>

> 1) Gregorian Calendar - English date days as we call it

>

> 2) Hindu tithi based dates

>

> The feedback that I have till date is " Hindu Tithi " dates are of

more

> energy than English ones.

>

> Background to this - it is said everything in creation is a product

of

> light rays.... when they converge based on their karmic acts, with

> various intensities, an earthly objects are formed.... on those

> respective birthdays....there is repetition of such convergence of

light

> rays in that each earthly objects { as per our hindu scriptures &

> vedantam}..... for this various reasons, of recharging the body, on

> birthday's it is a hindu tradition or suggestion or advice, to visit

> temples, do deep meditation { do not mix it with daily

> activities}...etc... there is a special brilliance reflecting in

one's

> body or even on face..... so long you are able to differentiate

it......

> if you know the art ....you can read it..... else get yourself an

aura

> photo by going to the nearest kirlian photographic studio and spend

Rs.

> 250 or take it yourself...!!

>

> This is another 155 mm artillery barrel take on Mr. Avatar Krishen

> Kaul's obsession with his Anti-Hindu_Lunar calendar...etc..

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srinivas ji,

> >

> > Did you choose a 7th May chart purposely to post on 7th May? I was

> wondering

> > if it was akshaya tritiya also. But no, moon is not yet exalted. I

> think

> > five more days to go for that. But its good to remember the great

soul

> on

> > his birth day.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Neelam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sreeramji and Respected Members,Namaskar!On this Akshaya Tritiya occasion, my wishes to all of you.Also, Sreeramji- If you can give me some spare room for different & deviating topic; I would like hear your opinion on a custom of "Giving gold to near & dear on this day". This Custom is practiced in Tirupathi, Chennai and Bangalore very much. Best Regards,Raj UpadhrastaPS: Please dont ask gold from me...You are all near & dear to me - and each of us to each one. HHhhh!!--- On Thu, 5/8/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

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Dear All,Namaste,Although Gaurav has quickly given his justifications for the happenings in Tagore's life. I am not commenting on that. I wish to state the following:

If the exercise is for comparison between different

ayanamshas and dashas, before trying to see the events, first we need to check

the natal positions for correctness. The promise in the natal chart can only

lead to its fructification.

In this case, there is a major difference

in the natal charts prepared with CHari ayan (CHA) and CP ayan (CPA). In CHA position of mars goes to 3H in

Taurus where as in CPA mars is in Gemini in 4H. Mars is the 9L and obviously

its role is extremely important in shaping the destiny of an individual. Here

also with CHA Mars becomes the AK and with CPA Jup is the AK. Navamsha

positions also change drastically even though the lagna remains the same.

I think before proceeding further with

dashas, the natal promise must be established.

I feel that CPA gives a closer linkage to

native's life. These are my reasons:

Mars is 9L in 4H in own nakshatra with ketu.

It is in 4H as depositor of an exalted sun, venus and mer placed in aries in

2H. It aspects 10H and 11H. In navamsh it is with venus in libra (taken

ashtam-navamsh). Still maintains aspect on aries which is the 9H of navamsh and

2H of rashi having sun, ven, mer. It aspects 10H also and is 4L. It has panchadha maitri and 3/11 relationship with mer, ven and sun.These are the

results it is expected to give.

Fame and legendary statusAs 9L produces Rajyoga in 4H of masses

(mass adulation, legendary status, patriotism, love for matrubhumi,

jan-gan-man, etc) having aspect on 10H and 11H for related karma and gains

through the karma.

Literary abilitiesSince mars is in exchange with mercury and

the exchange involves 2L-4L, 2L-7L, 4L-9L and 7L-9L, its has been good for

rising to a high position and fame. Such close relation of mars with mercury –

placed in Gemini, aspects virgo, exchange with mer and desposits venus – gives him

the intellectual and writing abilities. But 4H remais prominent in writings

with Ketu giving the fineness and literary skills. His love for Bangla matribhasha

can come from 4H and execution from aspect on 10H.

SpouseThe 4H mars can only be detrimental to

spouse. From here it aspects 7H, afflicts 4H, 7L mercury and as dispositor of

mercury and karak venus, in 8H of longevity of marriage can be very harmful for

marriage. In navamsh also it afflicts libra and venus.

Many children and loss of childrenJupiter, the LL exalted in 5H in exchange

with 5L moon is very good for children. Hence he begets many children. But

simultaneously 5H is weak, having only 20 AV score. Mars with ketu in 12H from

5th and Saturn as 7/8 lord in 2H from 5th form a strong

papkatri yog and are expected to cause loss of children in their periods. In

navamsh, cancer rises in 12H and Saturn in cancer aspects moon in 6H of navamsh

which is marak 11H for children in rashi.

Nobel prizeLL/10L Jupiter exalted in 5H of fame aspects 9H and

lagna. Since role of 9H (bhagya) and 7H (padprapti) is very important in any kind of rise, 9L mars connecting

7H, 10H and 11H can fetch him the coveted honour. Mars in Gemini and again

having mer, ven, exalted sun in his house get him the prize for literature. In

navamsha, mars-venus in libra aspecting 9H and 10H again point a connection

between fine literary abilities and honour. Mars is also the 4L/9L responsible

for public honour. Here also mars has sun and rahu in 4H which in their dashas

are expected to get him to exalted status.

From Jaimini angleExalted Jup is AK and exalted sun is Amk

and both are in angles to each other.

AK Jupiter exalted in 5H and has exalted

sun, ven and mer in 10th from it.

In navamsha Amk sun is in 10H from AK Jupiter

and Karakamsha.

AK and Amk both form a rajyog with PK Saturn

in 12H which got him the honour from distant lands.Hence, I feel that position of planets as

per CPA holds the promise to take the native to such heights. After going through this exercise only we

could proceed with checking the events through dashas.

I have explained salient points very briefly and mostly to differentiate the results of a 3H and 4H mars and differences in navamsha. This can be elaborated further and seen in relevant vargas.

Any event to happen must reflect in related varga if the chart is correct.

RegardsNeelam

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Dear All,Namaste,In continuation with my previous post, I am

giving the reasons for some of the events in Tagore's life. Since I feel CPA is

closer to natal positions, I have taken the two dasha periods for comparison within

the CPA.

Here I find 365.25 days giving

better results:

 

 

 

 

Event

 

 

CPA-365

days

 

 

CPA-360

days

 

 

 

 

Marriage

9.12.1883

 

 

ve-su-ma

 

 

ve-ve-me

 

 

 

 

daughter

 

 

Ve-mo/ve-ma

 

 

Ve-ma

 

 

 

 

Shantiniketan

22.12.1901

 

 

su-ra-me

 

 

su-ju-ju

 

 

 

 

Wife's

death 23.11.1902

 

 

su-ju-ve

 

 

su-sa-me

 

 

 

 

Daughter's

death

Sept 1903

 

 

su-sa-ve

 

 

su-me-me

 

 

 

 

Son's

death

Nov 1907

 

 

mo-ma-mo

 

 

mo-ra-me

 

 

 

 

Nobel

prize

sep 1913

 

 

mo-ke-ke

 

 

mo-ve-ve

 

 

 

 

Doctorate

Nov 1913

 

 

mo-ke-ma

 

 

mo-ve-mo

 

 

 

 

Death

7.8.41

 

 

ju-ju-ju

 

 

ju-ju-ve

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marriage 9.12.1883

ve-su-ma

Weaker connection as sun is with 7L and venus and mars

aspects 7H and disposits 7L.

But sun is also 6L.

ve-ve-me

Better connection, Venus is karaka for marriage, in 2H of

family with 7L mer. In navamsh, they are in trines to LL jup in 7H who aspects

both ven and mer.

Ve-ve-me is stronger for marriage. If gets married in

ve-su-ma, it will not last which appears to be the case

Birth of Daughter in 1886

Ven-moon appears

to be better for obvious reasons

 

Shantiniketan 22.12.1901

su-ra-me

Rahu in 10H acting like 10L jup, and

mer the 4L/7L with exalted sun and ven and mars aspected by Ra, could give the

thrust to starting of the institution which gets consolidated in su-ju, the

next antar.

 

I don't understand

what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing good…. As he says

(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in

enemy's & negative Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in

a negative Nakshatra (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd

& 8th house).

su-ju-ju

Sun exalted in 2H of family and Jup LL and 10L in 5H.

Shantiniketan is like an extended family, an institute with gurukul like

learning in tradition and Jupiter is the teacher specially in pisces, placed in

cancer. Exchange with 5L moon gives nurturing, creativity, etc. Exalted Sun

with ven and mer in 10H from exalted Jupiter results in establishment of the

famous centre for learning arts.

Sun-ju-ju appears for expansion.

Results: starts Shantiniketan in

su-ra which grows in su-ju.

 

Wife's death 23.11.1902

su-ju-ve

Sun is 6L, ven is 8L - afflicted karaka in 2H, thus

affecting longevity of marriage. In navamsha, jup is 8L in 7H of Saturn and 7L

is in 12H of navamsh which is cancer, where jup is placed in rashi. Sun is the

LL of navamsh in R/K axis and mer and ven are aspected by 8L jup.

su-sa-me

Sun is 6L of rashi, Saturn is 12th and mer is

7L, sun and mer are in marak 2H and sat is in 6H. From 7H, sun and mer are in

8H and Saturn in 12H. In navamsh, sat is 7L in 12H and 8L jup is in 7H.

Su-ju-ve is stronger for wife's

death.

 

Daughter's death Sept 1903

su-sa-ve

sun is 6L from lagna and moon, 2L from 5H and Jup. Sat is the 12L from

lagna in 6H, It is 7L/8L from 5H and karak Jupiter and placed in 2H

(maraksthan) from 5H and karak Jup. In saptamsh, both sun and ven are in 12H

and Saturn, the 12L of rashi rises in saptamsh.

su-me-me

Sun is not good as discussed above. Mer and

sun form the katri yog for 5H. In saptamsh, it is with rahu in 8H.

From saptamsh, Su-sa-ve appears to be closer to give the

event

 

Son's death Nov 1907

mo-ra-me

moon is the 5L, rahu is in 8H from 5H and karak jup, mer is

12L from 5H and karak jup.

mo-ma-mo

cannot give give son's death

 

Nobel prize sep 1913

mo-ke-ke

Moon is the 5L of poorv punya, creativity and fame. Moon is

aspected by 9L mars and 6L of competition and 7L of honour from moons own 12H

(overseas honour). Ketu is the dhwaja of 9H in 4H. It is with 9L mars and mars

we already have discussed. In navamsh, ketu is in 10H in Taurus, again aspected

by mars who is in libra with venus. Hence ketu appears to be giving the results

of bhagyesh mars who is with venus in 3H of writing aspecting 9th

and 10th houses.

mo-ve-ve

Venus is 3/8 lord and although it is with sun and mer in

rashi and with mars in D-9, as 8L it may not be able to give results.

mo-ke-ke is stronger to fetch him

the nobel prize.

 

Death 7.8.41

ju-ju-ju

Just as births take place in dashas

connected with LL, death also takes place in LL periods especially in cases of

full longevity. Jupiter is exalted in 5H of purva punya and aspects 9H and

lagna. So death also leads to exalted status of the soul. Some of the best

works by Tagore were also during his last 2-3 years. Jup qualifies as marak

because in navamsh, it is the 8L in 7H aspecting lagna and its dispositor sat

has gone to 12H.

If we see from exalted sun, Jupiter is the

12L in 4H. Simply qualifies for going away of the exalted soul. Probably his

poorva karmas got exhausted and he left. It was also the dasha of AK.

ju-ju-ve

is also possible, but a soul like Tagore's may

have left in LL's control only.Thus, I feel CPA + 365.25

days gives a closer portrayal of his life events. Other learned members may be having a difference of opinion. Regards

Neelam

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Neelamji,

> I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing good…. As> he says> > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's & negative> Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative Nakshatra> (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*

In Shree HR Sheshadri Iyer's book "New Techniques of Prediction" I have read that Rahu & ketu are negative planets. If they happen to occupy negative nakshatras they give good results. This is more valid with Rahu. I have checked this working. It is like negative*negative=positive.

I hope you got my point.

Thank you,

. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Namaste,> > In continuation with my previous post, I am giving the reasons for some of> the events in Tagore's life.> > Since I feel CPA is closer to natal positions, I have taken the two dasha> periods for comparison within the CPA.> > Here I find 365.25 days giving better results:> > > > Event> > CPA-365 days> > CPA-360 days> > Marriage 9.12.1883> > ve-su-ma> > ve-ve-me> > daughter> > Ve-mo/ve-ma> > Ve-ma> > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901> > su-ra-me> > su-ju-ju> > Wife's death 23.11.1902> > su-ju-ve> > su-sa-me> > Daughter's death> Sept 1903> > su-sa-ve> > su-me-me> > Son's death> Nov 1907> > mo-ma-mo> > mo-ra-me> > Nobel prize> sep 1913> > mo-ke-ke> > mo-ve-ve> > Doctorate> Nov 1913> > mo-ke-ma> > mo-ve-mo> > Death> > 7.8.41> > ju-ju-ju> > ju-ju-ve> > > > > > > Marriage 9.12.1883> > ve-su-ma> > Weaker connection as sun is with 7L and venus and mars aspects 7H and> disposits 7L.> > But sun is also 6L.> > ve-ve-me> > Better connection, Venus is karaka for marriage, in 2H of family with 7L> mer. In navamsh, they are in trines to LL jup in 7H who aspects both ven and> mer.> > Ve-ve-me is stronger for marriage. If gets married in ve-su-ma, it will not> last which appears to be the case> > > Birth of Daughter in 1886> > Ven-moon appears to be better for obvious reasons> > > > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901> > su-ra-me> Rahu in 10H acting like 10L jup, and mer the 4L/7L with exalted sun and ven> and mars aspected by Ra, could give the thrust to starting of the> institution which gets consolidated in su-ju, the next antar.> > > > I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing good…. As> he says> > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's & negative> Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative Nakshatra> (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*> > su-ju-ju> > Sun exalted in 2H of family and Jup LL and 10L in 5H. Shantiniketan is like> an extended family, an institute with gurukul like learning in tradition and> Jupiter is the teacher specially in pisces, placed in cancer. Exchange with> 5L moon gives nurturing, creativity, etc. Exalted Sun with ven and mer in> 10H from exalted Jupiter results in establishment of the famous centre for> learning arts.> > *Sun-ju-ju appears for expansion.*> > *Results: starts Shantiniketan in su-ra which grows in su-ju.*> > > > Wife's death 23.11.1902> su-ju-ve> > Sun is 6L, ven is 8L - afflicted karaka in 2H, thus affecting longevity of> marriage. In navamsha, jup is 8L in 7H of Saturn and 7L is in 12H of navamsh> which is cancer, where jup is placed in rashi. Sun is the LL of navamsh in> R/K axis and mer and ven are aspected by 8L jup.> > su-sa-me> > Sun is 6L of rashi, Saturn is 12th and mer is 7L, sun and mer are in marak> 2H and sat is in 6H. From 7H, sun and mer are in 8H and Saturn in 12H. In> navamsh, sat is 7L in 12H and 8L jup is in 7H.> > *Su-ju-ve is stronger for wife's death.*> > > > Daughter's death Sept 1903> su-sa-ve> sun is 6L from lagna and moon, 2L from 5H and Jup. Sat is the 12L from lagna> in 6H, It is 7L/8L from 5H and karak Jupiter and placed in 2H (maraksthan)> from 5H and karak Jup. In saptamsh, both sun and ven are in 12H and Saturn,> the 12L of rashi rises in saptamsh.> > su-me-me> > Sun is not good as discussed above. Mer and sun form the katri yog for 5H.> In saptamsh, it is with rahu in 8H.> > *From saptamsh, Su-sa-ve appears to be closer to give the event*> > > > Son's death Nov 1907> > mo-ra-me> > moon is the 5L, rahu is in 8H from 5H and karak jup, mer is 12L from 5H and> karak jup.> > mo-ma-mo> > cannot give give son's death> > > > Nobel prize sep 1913> > mo-ke-ke> > Moon is the 5L of poorv punya, creativity and fame. Moon is aspected by 9L> mars and 6L of competition and 7L of honour from moons own 12H (overseas> honour). Ketu is the dhwaja of 9H in 4H. It is with 9L mars and mars we> already have discussed. In navamsh, ketu is in 10H in Taurus, again aspected> by mars who is in libra with venus. Hence ketu appears to be giving the> results of bhagyesh mars who is with venus in 3H of writing aspecting 9thand 10> th houses.> > mo-ve-ve> > Venus is 3/8 lord and although it is with sun and mer in rashi and with mars> in D-9, as 8L it may not be able to give results.> > *mo-ke-ke is stronger to fetch him the nobel prize.*> > > > Death 7.8.41> > ju-ju-ju> > Just as births take place in dashas connected with LL, death also takes> place in LL periods especially in cases of full longevity. Jupiter is> exalted in 5H of purva punya and aspects 9H and lagna. So death also leads> to exalted status of the soul. Some of the best works by Tagore were also> during his last 2-3 years. Jup qualifies as marak because in navamsh, it is> the 8L in 7H aspecting lagna and its dispositor sat has gone to 12H.> > If we see from exalted sun, Jupiter is the 12L in 4H. Simply qualifies for> going away of the exalted soul. Probably his poorva karmas got exhausted and> he left. It was also the dasha of AK.> > ju-ju-ve> > is also possible, but a soul like Tagore's may have left in LL's control> only.> > Thus, I feel CPA + 365.25 days gives a closer portrayal of his life> events. Other> learned members may be having a difference of opinion.> > Regards> > Neelam>

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Ms. Neelam Gupta's discussion on chart and its features and her description of events with Dasa-bhukti details are showing divergence. A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in her words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any justification in the events. Here I am replying to her discussion on the chart.

Fame and legendary statusAs 9L produces Rajyoga in 4H of masses (mass adulation, legendary status, patriotism, love for matrubhumi, jan-gan-man, etc) having aspect on 10H and 11H for related karma and gains through the karma.

9th lord aspecting its own house from 3rd produces more Yoga or the 9th lord placed in 8th from its house and in assocn with the Node?

Mass adulation, legendary status, all materialistic things to my mind falls under Kama-trikona of 7-11-3 and so a Mars in 3rd as 9th lord well placed in Bhavatbhavam and also in amsa is more appropriate to Tagore. Tagore was the youngest child and Mars in 3rd is the most famous indication for one having no younger brother and thus forced to be an isolated child.

Literary abilitiesSince mars is in exchange with mercury and the exchange involves 2L-4L, 2L-7L, 4L-9L and 7L-9L, its has been good for rising to a high position and fame. Such close relation of mars with mercury – placed in Gemini, aspects virgo, exchange with mer and desposits venus – gives him the intellectual and writing abilities. But 4H remais prominent in writings with Ketu giving the fineness and literary skills. His love for Bangla matribhasha can come from 4H and execution from aspect on 10H.

In the above Neelam has associated 4th house with name and fame of Tagore. This is a wrong thing and only reflects her ignorance of the creative people. Tagore's name and fame arose out of Moon-Jup exchange involving 1-5 houses. A strong 4th house and any significant impact of 4th house on a being nails him to commonsense and he can never go beyond logic and calculations.

Further , Tagore was a painter and the placement of 2nd lord in 3rd house is a combination for painters. 2nd and 3rd house together constitutes painting – hands and the drawing ability. 2nd lord in 3rd house with the amsa of Budha gave Tagore the abilities of a Painter.

SpouseThe 4H mars can only be detrimental to spouse. From here it aspects 7H, afflicts 4H, 7L mercury and as dispositor of mercury and karak venus, in 8H of longevity of marriage can be very harmful for marriage. In navamsh also it afflicts libra and venus.

See what Neelam speaks. She is going by the superficial notion of Kuja-dosha. She forgets that 3rd house is Kamatrikona. Malefics in Kamatrikona is more adverse to marital happiness than in 4th house. Detriment for marital life can be easily understood for Pisces natives and especially in this case we need no such Kuja factor. Many people having Kuja factor lead long marital life – wife don't die as in this case, early. In fact, here there is not much detriment – she died after bearing many children for him. Why people are interpreting his horoscope like that of a Sannyasi?

He was a romantic at heart and may not have fulfilled the romance to his heart's content. It need make the astrologer's lament as the biographers do. Mars-Venus exchange also may be noted.

His enjoyment was too much – he was given to libido with a surrendering wife and so he had kids one after another. In the case of obstruction to marital happiness from Kuja dosha, detriment to happiness comes from an indolent, nagging non-cooperative wife who will deny conjugal happiness.

Tagore was really lucky and no Kuja dosha existed may be understood from his series of children born.

Many children and loss of childrenJupiter, the LL exalted in 5H in exchange with 5L moon is very good for children. Hence he begets many children. But simultaneously 5H is weak, having only 20 AV score. Mars with ketu in 12H from 5th and Saturn as 7/8 lord in 2H from 5th form a strong papkatri yog and are expected to cause loss of children in their periods. In navamsh, cancer rises in 12H and Saturn in cancer aspects moon in 6H of navamsh which is marak 11H for children in rashi.

Here what is the contrast of CPA and CHA? How the CPA is better? What the Saptamsa speaks? What comes first Saptamsa (Varga) or Ashtaka Varga number?

Placement of Mars stands refuted above. It is not required to make the Papakartari stronger. 6th house Saturn aspected by Mars and this a more potent detriment to kids, 6th house being maraca for kids and also causative of mental anguish. It is lack of details reflection that make Neelam to see more danger in Mars of 4th house.

Nobel prizeLL/10L Jupiter exalted in 5H of fame aspects 9H and lagna. Since role of 9H (bhagya) and 7H (padprapti) is very important in any kind of rise, 9L mars connecting 7H, 10H and 11H can fetch him the coveted honour. Mars in Gemini and again having mer, ven, exalted sun in his house get him the prize for literature. In navamsha, mars-venus in libra aspecting 9H and 10H again point a connection between fine literary abilities and honour. Mars is also the 4L/9L responsible for public honour. Here also mars has sun and rahu in 4H which in their dashas are expected to get him to exalted status.

I have underlined Neelam's comments which I could not understand. Has anyone of Mars in Gemini and in parivartana with Mercury did any work in poetics in the history of literature?

Mars-Mercury association always adds to one's commonsense, logic and analysis. It has little to do with poetical imagination and creativity. Mars-Venus exchange of Tagore had made him a romantic and the same had been significant in his stay at Ahmedabad along with Kadambari.

What the CPA Dasamsa says? Without Dasamsa how can we discuss honours received by a man?

What bhavatbhavam says?

Which combination is important for a writer, painter and singer?

Exchange of Mars and Venus as 2nd and 3rd lord? Or as Neelam says 2-4 lords Mars and Mercury in exchange?

From Jaimini angleExalted Jup is AK and exalted sun is Amk and both are in angles to each other. AK Jupiter exalted in 5H and has exalted sun, ven and mer in 10th from it. In navamsha Amk sun is in 10H from AK Jupiter and Karakamsha. AK and Amk both form a rajyog with PK Saturn in 12H which got him the honour from distant lands.

It is meaningless to have a partial discussion on Jaimini. We need to have a contrast of Mars as Atmakaraka and Jupiter as Amatyakaraka with what is given by Neelam in CPA.

If Jaimini Charakarakas can be applied in classical Jyotisham we know from the reliable record of Brhatjjataka?

9th lord of Punya becoming Atmakaraka and Karma lord becoming Amatya is a real wonderful position with Tagore. How is the Chara dasa profile? Does it reflect the CPA Karakamsa? , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Namaste,> > Although Gaurav has quickly given his justifications for the happenings in> Tagore's life. I am not commenting on that.> > I wish to state the following:> > If the exercise is for comparison between different ayanamshas and dashas,> before trying to see the events, first we need to check the natal positions> for correctness. The promise in the natal chart can only lead to its> fructification.> > In this case, there is a major difference in the natal charts prepared with> CHari ayan (CHA) and CP ayan (CPA). In CHA position of mars goes to 3H in> Taurus where as in CPA mars is in Gemini in 4H. Mars is the 9L and obviously> its role is extremely important in shaping the destiny of an individual.> Here also with CHA Mars becomes the AK and with CPA Jup is the AK. Navamsha> positions also change drastically even though the lagna remains the same.> > I think before proceeding further with dashas, the natal promise must be> established.> > I feel that CPA gives a closer linkage to native's life. These are my> reasons:> > Mars is 9L in 4H in own nakshatra with ketu. It is in 4H as depositor of an> exalted sun, venus and mer placed in aries in 2H. It aspects 10H and 11H. In> navamsh it is with venus in libra (taken ashtam-navamsh). Still maintains> aspect on aries which is the 9H of navamsh and 2H of rashi having sun, ven,> mer. It aspects 10H also and is 4L. It has panchadha maitri and 3/11> relationship with mer, ven and sun.> > These are the results it is expected to give.> > Fame and legendary status> As 9L produces Rajyoga in 4H of masses (mass adulation, legendary status,> patriotism, love for matrubhumi, jan-gan-man, etc) having aspect on 10H and> 11H for related karma and gains through the karma.> > Literary abilities> Since mars is in exchange with mercury and the exchange involves 2L-4L,> 2L-7L, 4L-9L and 7L-9L, its has been good for rising to a high position and> fame. Such close relation of mars with mercury – placed in Gemini, aspects> virgo, exchange with mer and desposits venus – gives him the intellectual> and writing abilities. But 4H remais prominent in writings with Ketu giving> the fineness and literary skills. His love for Bangla matribhasha can come> from 4H and execution from aspect on 10H.> > Spouse> The 4H mars can only be detrimental to spouse. From here it aspects 7H,> afflicts 4H, 7L mercury and as dispositor of mercury and karak venus, in 8H> of longevity of marriage can be very harmful for marriage. In navamsh also> it afflicts libra and venus.> > Many children and loss of children> Jupiter, the LL exalted in 5H in exchange with 5L moon is very good for> children. Hence he begets many children. But simultaneously 5H is weak,> having only 20 AV score. Mars with ketu in 12H from 5th and Saturn as 7/8> lord in 2H from 5th form a strong papkatri yog and are expected to cause> loss of children in their periods. In navamsh, cancer rises in 12H and> Saturn in cancer aspects moon in 6H of navamsh which is marak 11H for> children in rashi.> > Nobel prize> LL/10L Jupiter exalted in 5H of fame aspects 9H and lagna. Since role of 9H> (bhagya) and 7H (padprapti) is very important in any kind of rise, 9L mars> connecting 7H, 10H and 11H can fetch him the coveted honour. Mars in Gemini> and again having mer, ven, exalted sun in his house get him the prize for> literature. In navamsha, mars-venus in libra aspecting 9H and 10H again> point a connection between fine literary abilities and honour. Mars is also> the 4L/9L responsible for public honour. Here also mars has sun and rahu in> 4H which in their dashas are expected to get him to exalted status.> > From Jaimini angle> Exalted Jup is AK and exalted sun is Amk and both are in angles to each> other.> > AK Jupiter exalted in 5H and has exalted sun, ven and mer in 10th from it.> > In navamsha Amk sun is in 10H from AK Jupiter and Karakamsha.> > AK and Amk both form a rajyog with PK Saturn in 12H which got him the honour> from distant lands.> Hence, I feel that position of planets as per CPA holds the promise to take> the native to such heights.> > After going through this exercise only we could proceed with checking the> events through dashas.> > I have explained salient points very briefly and mostly to differentiate the> results of a 3H and 4H mars and differences in navamsha. This can be> elaborated further and seen in relevant vargas.> > Any event to happen must reflect in related varga if the chart is correct.> > Regards> > Neelam>

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Dear Chandra Hari ji,Namaste,You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition everywhere......just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own integrity than anything else.

A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in her words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any justification in the events.

I am not biased (…as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and there is no ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake of an on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are no counter arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing exercises (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no association what so ever – with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how will I decide in favour of one or the other?

Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect to your statement: " This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri and the ayanamsa " (ref your document on Tagore)

When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also changed drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are trying to find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).Either I have got the chart wrong…then the argument can be on grounds as to 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be the case as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also he is sort of placed in one but a foot in other.

Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any justification in the events....Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes….

Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the strongest kona and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its placement.Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e 9L. How one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi chart will define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh and vargas.

Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both manpower and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes help him achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars is the dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and 4H. In navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the fine abilities in painting.

But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and literary skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in natural 3H in Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings he is famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and language skills.

Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for defining the purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets confirmed and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus. Classics always say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and lords. In 3H there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H also forms another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.

Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be doomed across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding 9H, but it also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, research-mindedness. His father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and spirituality. In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L and 12L in 6H from 9H.

Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes become yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This is well known dictum.We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we find solid grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please check the navamsh given by CPA in this case.

I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided approach is useless ending up with naming and blaming.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Gaurav,

 

Are you speaking of a Universal rule? NEGATIVE AND NEGATIVE MAKES

POSITIVE? What do you do in summer? Nowdays at noon do you take a glass

of boiled water?

 

If someone has published something in his book, does it become an axiom

in Jyotisha? Do you have any examples? Sun in Aries is positive

depending on the chartpositions, Rasi, Lagna, amsa, Varga etc. Many

factors influence the working of a particular planet. By being malefic

and placed in malefic rasi and nakshatra if made sun beneficial, what

about similar placements for Sani. Sani in Leo in Uttaraphalguni will be

beneficial to all?

 

If you are referring to Tagore's chart, what about Saturn? Saturn is

malefic and in malefic and enemey rasi. So what? Saturn has become

positive?

 

If your negative and negative = positive rule is accepted, then do you

think people having the same disease can be cured by staying together?

 

Why your rule is more valid more with Rahu? How many examples did you

study to see that your conclusion is not a coincidence? Do you

understand the significance of quality of sample population in the

quality of statistical conclusions drawn?

 

Negative and negative may look positive to negative minds. If two people

are having negative thinking, for both of them they may look positive to

each other. But not for others. Others can easily understnad that a play

of " negatives' is happening.

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " "

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

>

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

>

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> > I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing

> good…. As

> > he says

> >

> > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's &

> negative

> > Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative

> Nakshatra

> > (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*

>

>

> In Shree HR Sheshadri Iyer's book " New Techniques of Prediction " I

have

> read that Rahu & ketu are negative planets. If they happen to occupy

> negative nakshatras they give good results. This is more valid with

> Rahu. I have checked this working. It is like

> negative*negative=positive.

>

> I hope you got my point.

>

> Thank you,

>

> .

> , " neelam gupta "

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > In continuation with my previous post, I am giving the reasons for

> some of

> > the events in Tagore's life.

> >

> > Since I feel CPA is closer to natal positions, I have taken the two

> dasha

> > periods for comparison within the CPA.

> >

> > Here I find 365.25 days giving better results:

> >

> >

> >

> > Event

> >

> > CPA-365 days

> >

> > CPA-360 days

> >

> > Marriage 9.12.1883

> >

> > ve-su-ma

> >

> > ve-ve-me

> >

> > daughter

> >

> > Ve-mo/ve-ma

> >

> > Ve-ma

> >

> > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901

> >

> > su-ra-me

> >

> > su-ju-ju

> >

> > Wife's death 23.11.1902

> >

> > su-ju-ve

> >

> > su-sa-me

> >

> > Daughter's death

> > Sept 1903

> >

> > su-sa-ve

> >

> > su-me-me

> >

> > Son's death

> > Nov 1907

> >

> > mo-ma-mo

> >

> > mo-ra-me

> >

> > Nobel prize

> > sep 1913

> >

> > mo-ke-ke

> >

> > mo-ve-ve

> >

> > Doctorate

> > Nov 1913

> >

> > mo-ke-ma

> >

> > mo-ve-mo

> >

> > Death

> >

> > 7.8.41

> >

> > ju-ju-ju

> >

> > ju-ju-ve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Marriage 9.12.1883

> >

> > ve-su-ma

> >

> > Weaker connection as sun is with 7L and venus and mars aspects 7H

and

> > disposits 7L.

> >

> > But sun is also 6L.

> >

> > ve-ve-me

> >

> > Better connection, Venus is karaka for marriage, in 2H of family

with

> 7L

> > mer. In navamsh, they are in trines to LL jup in 7H who aspects both

> ven and

> > mer.

> >

> > Ve-ve-me is stronger for marriage. If gets married in ve-su-ma, it

> will not

> > last which appears to be the case

> >

> >

> > Birth of Daughter in 1886

> >

> > Ven-moon appears to be better for obvious reasons

> >

> >

> >

> > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901

> >

> > su-ra-me

> > Rahu in 10H acting like 10L jup, and mer the 4L/7L with exalted sun

> and ven

> > and mars aspected by Ra, could give the thrust to starting of the

> > institution which gets consolidated in su-ju, the next antar.

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing

> good…. As

> > he says

> >

> > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's &

> negative

> > Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative

> Nakshatra

> > (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*

> >

> > su-ju-ju

> >

> > Sun exalted in 2H of family and Jup LL and 10L in 5H. Shantiniketan

is

> like

> > an extended family, an institute with gurukul like learning in

> tradition and

> > Jupiter is the teacher specially in pisces, placed in cancer.

Exchange

> with

> > 5L moon gives nurturing, creativity, etc. Exalted Sun with ven and

mer

> in

> > 10H from exalted Jupiter results in establishment of the famous

centre

> for

> > learning arts.

> >

> > *Sun-ju-ju appears for expansion.*

> >

> > *Results: starts Shantiniketan in su-ra which grows in su-ju.*

> >

> >

> >

> > Wife's death 23.11.1902

> > su-ju-ve

> >

> > Sun is 6L, ven is 8L - afflicted karaka in 2H, thus affecting

> longevity of

> > marriage. In navamsha, jup is 8L in 7H of Saturn and 7L is in 12H of

> navamsh

> > which is cancer, where jup is placed in rashi. Sun is the LL of

> navamsh in

> > R/K axis and mer and ven are aspected by 8L jup.

> >

> > su-sa-me

> >

> > Sun is 6L of rashi, Saturn is 12th and mer is 7L, sun and mer are in

> marak

> > 2H and sat is in 6H. From 7H, sun and mer are in 8H and Saturn in

12H.

> In

> > navamsh, sat is 7L in 12H and 8L jup is in 7H.

> >

> > *Su-ju-ve is stronger for wife's death.*

> >

> >

> >

> > Daughter's death Sept 1903

> > su-sa-ve

> > sun is 6L from lagna and moon, 2L from 5H and Jup. Sat is the 12L

from

> lagna

> > in 6H, It is 7L/8L from 5H and karak Jupiter and placed in 2H

> (maraksthan)

> > from 5H and karak Jup. In saptamsh, both sun and ven are in 12H and

> Saturn,

> > the 12L of rashi rises in saptamsh.

> >

> > su-me-me

> >

> > Sun is not good as discussed above. Mer and sun form the katri yog

for

> 5H.

> > In saptamsh, it is with rahu in 8H.

> >

> > *From saptamsh, Su-sa-ve appears to be closer to give the event*

> >

> >

> >

> > Son's death Nov 1907

> >

> > mo-ra-me

> >

> > moon is the 5L, rahu is in 8H from 5H and karak jup, mer is 12L from

> 5H and

> > karak jup.

> >

> > mo-ma-mo

> >

> > cannot give give son's death

> >

> >

> >

> > Nobel prize sep 1913

> >

> > mo-ke-ke

> >

> > Moon is the 5L of poorv punya, creativity and fame. Moon is aspected

> by 9L

> > mars and 6L of competition and 7L of honour from moons own 12H

> (overseas

> > honour). Ketu is the dhwaja of 9H in 4H. It is with 9L mars and mars

> we

> > already have discussed. In navamsh, ketu is in 10H in Taurus, again

> aspected

> > by mars who is in libra with venus. Hence ketu appears to be giving

> the

> > results of bhagyesh mars who is with venus in 3H of writing

aspecting

> 9thand 10

> > th houses.

> >

> > mo-ve-ve

> >

> > Venus is 3/8 lord and although it is with sun and mer in rashi and

> with mars

> > in D-9, as 8L it may not be able to give results.

> >

> > *mo-ke-ke is stronger to fetch him the nobel prize.*

> >

> >

> >

> > Death 7.8.41

> >

> > ju-ju-ju

> >

> > Just as births take place in dashas connected with LL, death also

> takes

> > place in LL periods especially in cases of full longevity. Jupiter

is

> > exalted in 5H of purva punya and aspects 9H and lagna. So death also

> leads

> > to exalted status of the soul. Some of the best works by Tagore were

> also

> > during his last 2-3 years. Jup qualifies as marak because in

navamsh,

> it is

> > the 8L in 7H aspecting lagna and its dispositor sat has gone to 12H.

> >

> > If we see from exalted sun, Jupiter is the 12L in 4H. Simply

qualifies

> for

> > going away of the exalted soul. Probably his poorva karmas got

> exhausted and

> > he left. It was also the dasha of AK.

> >

> > ju-ju-ve

> >

> > is also possible, but a soul like Tagore's may have left in LL's

> control

> > only.

> >

> > Thus, I feel CPA + 365.25 days gives a closer portrayal of his life

> > events. Other

> > learned members may be having a difference of opinion.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear All,

 

Some facts that might

help us look into the planets' roles in Rabindranath's chart...

Rabindranath

was the fourteenth and youngest living child of his parents. Jyotirindranath

was thirteen years his senior. Kadambari Devi was the child bride of

Jyotirindranath Tagore. Hence Kadambri was same age as Tagore. Tagore's most authoritative biographer, Probhat Kumar

Mukhopadhyay, writes: " He had been her playmate and companion ever since

her marriage. "

 

On December 9th of 1883 at the age of 22 Tagore himself was

married to a girl of 11, whom he renamed Mrinalini. Tagore's marriage at the end of 1883 had been " sudden and

unexpected. " Four

months after his wedding, Kadambari Devi committed suicide. Why she took her

own life, if known, has never been made public.

Tagore wrote in 1917 " …. I suffered a devastating sorrow…. a very close relative of mine committed

suicide, and she had been my life's total support, right from childhood onward.

And so with her unexpected death it was as if the earth itself receded from

beneath my feet, as though the skies above me all went dark. My universe turned

empty, my zest for life departed. "

In the reminiscences entitled Jiban-smriti

(1911-12), Tagore wrote in a similar vein. His mother's death, occurred

when he was quite young, and did not affect him strongly, part of the reason for

this was Kadambari Devi, who immediately assumed the role of surrogate maternal

figure. It is her passing that traumatized him or, as he put it, " It was

my acquaintance with death at the age of 24 that left a permanent impression on

me. "

Was Kadambri a mother-like figure in

his life, a companion, friend, mate??

Many of his

biographical works talk about this – Chitrangada, and later translation by Ray

called Charulata. And his autobiographical Nastanir, etc.

 

Mrinalini gave him five children and died a premature death in 1902.

What about

the 9L (brother's wife in 4H of mother affecting his life so much. And Ketu

adding to mystery?? Motherly role-play by brother's wife. There is nothing in a chart that does not have a meaning....

Regards

Neelam

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelami,

So you have settled the question of ayanamsa and identified the Chitrapaksha as the correct one by looking at Mars in 4th house in exchange with Mercury in contrast to CHA which gives Tagore the parivartana of Venus and Mars which made him romantic and sensuous. Many of his writings and stories carry the shades of a Mars-Venus exchange - his seeking of romance upon earth and also above earth with divine also Tagore sought romance.

You have failed to appreciate that -

1. Tagore is the youngest kid - Mars in 3rd house, Karakao Bhavanasaya.

2. Tagore has Putrakaraka Guru in 5th leading to Putradukha, again illustrating Karako Bhavanasaya

3. Tagore has the exchange of 2nd and 3rd lords = Author, writer, painter, musician, singer

4. May be Mars exchanging Venus and in 3rd had made him play music on instruments also.

5. Mars aspecting its own 9th house (overseas) and taking namsa in 7th (long journeys)

6. Death in Rahu_Mars where Mars is a dire Marka being in exchange with 3rd and 8th lord and owning 2nd.

You have found some astrology by which great people die in Yogakaraka Guru Dasa? That too in the dasa of Guru in exchange with triangular lord Moon and exalted?

And then you have answered the 365.25 days versus 360 days problem too - with the same astrology. Given the above performance of yours where you have stampeded every classical principles to give expression of your bias, do you consider that any quest for truth on ayanamsa has any meaning...? Your 365.25 versus 360 account shall have no meaning to any intelligent people who have the grasp of fundamentals.

You have also given expression of your fear of contrasting the event based account I gave of Tagore with your CPA account and so you took the route of eulogizing 4th house Mars_Mercury impact and then setting aside the ayanamsa truth question in favor of Chitrapaksha.

Why have you not given any reference to Vargas?

How much of the new astrology you spoke is evident in your 365.25 versus 360 discussion?

I saw you quoting classical works. Please quote classical works to deny the above six points I have mentioned and to support the new principles you have brought in.

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Namaste,> > In continuation with my previous post, I am giving the reasons for some of> the events in Tagore's life.> > Since I feel CPA is closer to natal positions, I have taken the two dasha> periods for comparison within the CPA.> > Here I find 365.25 days giving better results:> > > > Event> > CPA-365 days> > CPA-360 days> > Marriage 9.12.1883> > ve-su-ma> > ve-ve-me> > daughter> > Ve-mo/ve-ma> > Ve-ma> > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901> > su-ra-me> > su-ju-ju> > Wife's death 23.11.1902> > su-ju-ve> > su-sa-me> > Daughter's death> Sept 1903> > su-sa-ve> > su-me-me> > Son's death> Nov 1907> > mo-ma-mo> > mo-ra-me> > Nobel prize> sep 1913> > mo-ke-ke> > mo-ve-ve> > Doctorate> Nov 1913> > mo-ke-ma> > mo-ve-mo> > Death> > 7.8.41> > ju-ju-ju> > ju-ju-ve> > > > > > > Marriage 9.12.1883> > ve-su-ma> > Weaker connection as sun is with 7L and venus and mars aspects 7H and> disposits 7L.> > But sun is also 6L.> > ve-ve-me> > Better connection, Venus is karaka for marriage, in 2H of family with 7L> mer. In navamsh, they are in trines to LL jup in 7H who aspects both ven and> mer.> > Ve-ve-me is stronger for marriage. If gets married in ve-su-ma, it will not> last which appears to be the case> > > Birth of Daughter in 1886> > Ven-moon appears to be better for obvious reasons> > > > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901> > su-ra-me> Rahu in 10H acting like 10L jup, and mer the 4L/7L with exalted sun and ven> and mars aspected by Ra, could give the thrust to starting of the> institution which gets consolidated in su-ju, the next antar.> > > > I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing good…. As> he says> > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's & negative> Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative Nakshatra> (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*> > su-ju-ju> > Sun exalted in 2H of family and Jup LL and 10L in 5H. Shantiniketan is like> an extended family, an institute with gurukul like learning in tradition and> Jupiter is the teacher specially in pisces, placed in cancer. Exchange with> 5L moon gives nurturing, creativity, etc. Exalted Sun with ven and mer in> 10H from exalted Jupiter results in establishment of the famous centre for> learning arts.> > *Sun-ju-ju appears for expansion.*> > *Results: starts Shantiniketan in su-ra which grows in su-ju.*> > > > Wife's death 23.11.1902> su-ju-ve> > Sun is 6L, ven is 8L - afflicted karaka in 2H, thus affecting longevity of> marriage. In navamsha, jup is 8L in 7H of Saturn and 7L is in 12H of navamsh> which is cancer, where jup is placed in rashi. Sun is the LL of navamsh in> R/K axis and mer and ven are aspected by 8L jup.> > su-sa-me> > Sun is 6L of rashi, Saturn is 12th and mer is 7L, sun and mer are in marak> 2H and sat is in 6H. From 7H, sun and mer are in 8H and Saturn in 12H. In> navamsh, sat is 7L in 12H and 8L jup is in 7H.> > *Su-ju-ve is stronger for wife's death.*> > > > Daughter's death Sept 1903> su-sa-ve> sun is 6L from lagna and moon, 2L from 5H and Jup. Sat is the 12L from lagna> in 6H, It is 7L/8L from 5H and karak Jupiter and placed in 2H (maraksthan)> from 5H and karak Jup. In saptamsh, both sun and ven are in 12H and Saturn,> the 12L of rashi rises in saptamsh.> > su-me-me> > Sun is not good as discussed above. Mer and sun form the katri yog for 5H.> In saptamsh, it is with rahu in 8H.> > *From saptamsh, Su-sa-ve appears to be closer to give the event*> > > > Son's death Nov 1907> > mo-ra-me> > moon is the 5L, rahu is in 8H from 5H and karak jup, mer is 12L from 5H and> karak jup.> > mo-ma-mo> > cannot give give son's death> > > > Nobel prize sep 1913> > mo-ke-ke> > Moon is the 5L of poorv punya, creativity and fame. Moon is aspected by 9L> mars and 6L of competition and 7L of honour from moons own 12H (overseas> honour). Ketu is the dhwaja of 9H in 4H. It is with 9L mars and mars we> already have discussed. In navamsh, ketu is in 10H in Taurus, again aspected> by mars who is in libra with venus. Hence ketu appears to be giving the> results of bhagyesh mars who is with venus in 3H of writing aspecting 9thand 10> th houses.> > mo-ve-ve> > Venus is 3/8 lord and although it is with sun and mer in rashi and with mars> in D-9, as 8L it may not be able to give results.> > *mo-ke-ke is stronger to fetch him the nobel prize.*> > > > Death 7.8.41> > ju-ju-ju> > Just as births take place in dashas connected with LL, death also takes> place in LL periods especially in cases of full longevity. Jupiter is> exalted in 5H of purva punya and aspects 9H and lagna. So death also leads> to exalted status of the soul. Some of the best works by Tagore were also> during his last 2-3 years. Jup qualifies as marak because in navamsh, it is> the 8L in 7H aspecting lagna and its dispositor sat has gone to 12H.> > If we see from exalted sun, Jupiter is the 12L in 4H. Simply qualifies for> going away of the exalted soul. Probably his poorva karmas got exhausted and> he left. It was also the dasha of AK.> > ju-ju-ve> > is also possible, but a soul like Tagore's may have left in LL's control> only.> > Thus, I feel CPA + 365.25 days gives a closer portrayal of his life> events. Other> learned members may be having a difference of opinion.> > Regards> > Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji

 

Gaurav was using some nadi technics revealed by sri Iyyer ,which i will sent u some foot notes prvtly .

 

 

regrds sunil nair

Om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Gaurav,> > Are you speaking of a Universal rule? NEGATIVE AND NEGATIVE MAKES> POSITIVE? What do you do in summer? Nowdays at noon do you take a glass> of boiled water?> > If someone has published something in his book, does it become an axiom> in Jyotisha? Do you have any examples? Sun in Aries is positive> depending on the chartpositions, Rasi, Lagna, amsa, Varga etc. Many> factors influence the working of a particular planet. By being malefic> and placed in malefic rasi and nakshatra if made sun beneficial, what> about similar placements for Sani. Sani in Leo in Uttaraphalguni will be> beneficial to all?> > If you are referring to Tagore's chart, what about Saturn? Saturn is> malefic and in malefic and enemey rasi. So what? Saturn has become> positive?> > If your negative and negative = positive rule is accepted, then do you> think people having the same disease can be cured by staying together?> > Why your rule is more valid more with Rahu? How many examples did you> study to see that your conclusion is not a coincidence? Do you> understand the significance of quality of sample population in the> quality of statistical conclusions drawn?> > Negative and negative may look positive to negative minds. If two people> are having negative thinking, for both of them they may look positive to> each other. But not for others. Others can easily understnad that a play> of "negatives' is happening.> > chandra hari> > > > > > > , ""> gaurav.ghosh@ wrote:> >> >> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> >> > Dear Neelamji,> >> > > I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing> > good…. As> > > he says> > >> > > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's & > > negative> > > Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative> > Nakshatra> > > (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*> >> >> > In Shree HR Sheshadri Iyer's book "New Techniques of Prediction" I> have> > read that Rahu & ketu are negative planets. If they happen to occupy> > negative nakshatras they give good results. This is more valid with> > Rahu. I have checked this working. It is like> > negative*negative=positive.> >> > I hope you got my point.> >> > Thank you,> >> > .> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > In continuation with my previous post, I am giving the reasons for> > some of> > > the events in Tagore's life.> > >> > > Since I feel CPA is closer to natal positions, I have taken the two> > dasha> > > periods for comparison within the CPA.> > >> > > Here I find 365.25 days giving better results:> > >> > >> > >> > > Event> > >> > > CPA-365 days> > >> > > CPA-360 days> > >> > > Marriage 9.12.1883> > >> > > ve-su-ma> > >> > > ve-ve-me> > >> > > daughter> > >> > > Ve-mo/ve-ma> > >> > > Ve-ma> > >> > > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901> > >> > > su-ra-me> > >> > > su-ju-ju> > >> > > Wife's death 23.11.1902> > >> > > su-ju-ve> > >> > > su-sa-me> > >> > > Daughter's death> > > Sept 1903> > >> > > su-sa-ve> > >> > > su-me-me> > >> > > Son's death> > > Nov 1907> > >> > > mo-ma-mo> > >> > > mo-ra-me> > >> > > Nobel prize> > > sep 1913> > >> > > mo-ke-ke> > >> > > mo-ve-ve> > >> > > Doctorate> > > Nov 1913> > >> > > mo-ke-ma> > >> > > mo-ve-mo> > >> > > Death> > >> > > 7.8.41> > >> > > ju-ju-ju> > >> > > ju-ju-ve> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Marriage 9.12.1883> > >> > > ve-su-ma> > >> > > Weaker connection as sun is with 7L and venus and mars aspects 7H> and> > > disposits 7L.> > >> > > But sun is also 6L.> > >> > > ve-ve-me> > >> > > Better connection, Venus is karaka for marriage, in 2H of family> with> > 7L> > > mer. In navamsh, they are in trines to LL jup in 7H who aspects both> > ven and> > > mer.> > >> > > Ve-ve-me is stronger for marriage. If gets married in ve-su-ma, it> > will not> > > last which appears to be the case> > >> > >> > > Birth of Daughter in 1886> > >> > > Ven-moon appears to be better for obvious reasons> > >> > >> > >> > > Shantiniketan 22.12.1901> > >> > > su-ra-me> > > Rahu in 10H acting like 10L jup, and mer the 4L/7L with exalted sun> > and ven> > > and mars aspected by Ra, could give the thrust to starting of the> > > institution which gets consolidated in su-ju, the next antar.> > >> > >> > >> > > I don't understand what Gaurav means by negative nakshatras doing> > good…. As> > > he says> > >> > > *(i) Dasa was Sun MD, Rahu AD. Sun a negative planet in enemy's & > > negative> > > Nakshatra, which is good. Rahu is a negative planet, in a negative> > Nakshatra> > > (Venus is a negative planet as it owns 3rd & 8th house).*> > >> > > su-ju-ju> > >> > > Sun exalted in 2H of family and Jup LL and 10L in 5H. Shantiniketan> is> > like> > > an extended family, an institute with gurukul like learning in> > tradition and> > > Jupiter is the teacher specially in pisces, placed in cancer.> Exchange> > with> > > 5L moon gives nurturing, creativity, etc. Exalted Sun with ven and> mer> > in> > > 10H from exalted Jupiter results in establishment of the famous> centre> > for> > > learning arts.> > >> > > *Sun-ju-ju appears for expansion.*> > >> > > *Results: starts Shantiniketan in su-ra which grows in su-ju.*> > >> > >> > >> > > Wife's death 23.11.1902> > > su-ju-ve> > >> > > Sun is 6L, ven is 8L - afflicted karaka in 2H, thus affecting> > longevity of> > > marriage. In navamsha, jup is 8L in 7H of Saturn and 7L is in 12H of> > navamsh> > > which is cancer, where jup is placed in rashi. Sun is the LL of> > navamsh in> > > R/K axis and mer and ven are aspected by 8L jup.> > >> > > su-sa-me> > >> > > Sun is 6L of rashi, Saturn is 12th and mer is 7L, sun and mer are in> > marak> > > 2H and sat is in 6H. From 7H, sun and mer are in 8H and Saturn in> 12H.> > In> > > navamsh, sat is 7L in 12H and 8L jup is in 7H.> > >> > > *Su-ju-ve is stronger for wife's death.*> > >> > >> > >> > > Daughter's death Sept 1903> > > su-sa-ve> > > sun is 6L from lagna and moon, 2L from 5H and Jup. Sat is the 12L> from> > lagna> > > in 6H, It is 7L/8L from 5H and karak Jupiter and placed in 2H> > (maraksthan)> > > from 5H and karak Jup. In saptamsh, both sun and ven are in 12H and> > Saturn,> > > the 12L of rashi rises in saptamsh.> > >> > > su-me-me> > >> > > Sun is not good as discussed above. Mer and sun form the katri yog> for> > 5H.> > > In saptamsh, it is with rahu in 8H.> > >> > > *From saptamsh, Su-sa-ve appears to be closer to give the event*> > >> > >> > >> > > Son's death Nov 1907> > >> > > mo-ra-me> > >> > > moon is the 5L, rahu is in 8H from 5H and karak jup, mer is 12L from> > 5H and> > > karak jup.> > >> > > mo-ma-mo> > >> > > cannot give give son's death> > >> > >> > >> > > Nobel prize sep 1913> > >> > > mo-ke-ke> > >> > > Moon is the 5L of poorv punya, creativity and fame. Moon is aspected> > by 9L> > > mars and 6L of competition and 7L of honour from moons own 12H> > (overseas> > > honour). Ketu is the dhwaja of 9H in 4H. It is with 9L mars and mars> > we> > > already have discussed. In navamsh, ketu is in 10H in Taurus, again> > aspected> > > by mars who is in libra with venus. Hence ketu appears to be giving> > the> > > results of bhagyesh mars who is with venus in 3H of writing> aspecting> > 9thand 10> > > th houses.> > >> > > mo-ve-ve> > >> > > Venus is 3/8 lord and although it is with sun and mer in rashi and> > with mars> > > in D-9, as 8L it may not be able to give results.> > >> > > *mo-ke-ke is stronger to fetch him the nobel prize.*> > >> > >> > >> > > Death 7.8.41> > >> > > ju-ju-ju> > >> > > Just as births take place in dashas connected with LL, death also> > takes> > > place in LL periods especially in cases of full longevity. Jupiter> is> > > exalted in 5H of purva punya and aspects 9H and lagna. So death also> > leads> > > to exalted status of the soul. Some of the best works by Tagore were> > also> > > during his last 2-3 years. Jup qualifies as marak because in> navamsh,> > it is> > > the 8L in 7H aspecting lagna and its dispositor sat has gone to 12H.> > >> > > If we see from exalted sun, Jupiter is the 12L in 4H. Simply> qualifies> > for> > > going away of the exalted soul. Probably his poorva karmas got> > exhausted and> > > he left. It was also the dasha of AK.> > >> > > ju-ju-ve> > >> > > is also possible, but a soul like Tagore's may have left in LL's> > control> > > only.> > >> > > Thus, I feel CPA + 365.25 days gives a closer portrayal of his life> > > events. Other> > > learned members may be having a difference of opinion.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Neelam> > >> >>

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Dear friends,

Kadambari was elder brother's wife and so she is represented by Moon in Tagore's chart. Had Tagore beein a logician and hard thinker as may be understood from Mars_Mercury exchange, he would not have got into such passion as to be hurt so deeply. Tragedy took place after Tagore's stay in Ahmedabad where his elder brother was posted. I don't want to make any comments on the possible reasons. But the Mars_Venus exchange that made Tagore a writer, painter and singer may be noted. It had coupling with the 1-5 exchange of great creativity involving Pisces and Cancer. His personality revolved around these exchanges of Moon-Jupiter and Mars-Venus.

I will be happy if anyone can show me any streaks of Mercury in the life and works of Tagore?

chandra hari

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Some facts that might help us look into the planets' roles in Rabindranath's> chart...> > Rabindranath was the fourteenth and youngest living child of his parents.> Jyotirindranath was thirteen years his senior. Kadambari Devi was the child> bride of Jyotirindranath Tagore. Hence Kadambri was same age as Tagore.> Tagore's most authoritative biographer, Probhat Kumar Mukhopadhyay, writes:> "He had been her playmate and companion ever since her marriage."> > On December 9th of 1883 at the age of 22 Tagore himself was married to a> girl of 11, whom he renamed Mrinalini. Tagore's marriage at the end of 1883> had been "sudden and unexpected." Four months after his wedding, Kadambari> Devi committed suicide. Why she took her own life, if known, has never been> made public.> > Tagore wrote in 1917> "…. I suffered a devastating sorrow…. a very close relative of mine> committed suicide, and she had been my life's total support, right from> childhood onward. And so with her unexpected death it was as if the earth> itself receded from beneath my feet, as though the skies above me all went> dark. My universe turned empty, my zest for life departed."> > In the reminiscences entitled *Jiban-smriti* (1911-12), Tagore wrote in a> similar vein. His mother's death, occurred when he was quite young, and did> not affect him strongly, part of the reason for this was Kadambari Devi, who> immediately assumed the role of surrogate maternal figure. It is her passing> that traumatized him or, as he put it, "It was my acquaintance with death at> the age of 24 that left a permanent impression on me."> > Was Kadambri a mother-like figure in his life, a companion, friend, mate??> > Many of his biographical works talk about this – Chitrangada, and later> translation by Ray called Charulata. And his autobiographical Nastanir, etc.> > Mrinalini gave him five children and died a premature death in 1902.> What about the 9L (brother's wife in 4H of mother affecting his life so> much. And Ketu adding to mystery?? Motherly role-play by brother's wife.> There is nothing in a chart that does not have a meaning....> > Regards> > Neelam>

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Dear Neelamji,

Ya, very true, one of us is playing politics. No doubt. Who is that is a Million$ question?

With the kind of bias we tend to show, a consensus is not possible in deciding the 'politician' also.

If my document was reference for your discussion, then you should have contrasted the Rasi-Varga-event based discussion I have given with the corresponding discussion on CPA. Instead you tried to take a short cut of settling the ayanamsa without going into an event based verification based on some superficial self created astrology. And then as if you have decided the issue, you have proceeded to decide 365.25 versus 360.

Now you feel bad about my comments. I speak truth very bluntly and I do so when I am sure that my study is fine and someone is trying to make fool of others in Jyotisha. It is a subject for which I have devoted my life and I am very much concerned when people are trying to play joke on it.

I will be at your feet to learn with due apologies if you can reply to my discussion point to point. You talk only astrological aspects - you always talk some kind of jargon as you did when speaking of Mars and leave the astrological aspects untouched. You spoke lengthy of Mars in 4th and did not touch Mars in 3rd and Mars_Venus when you wanted to say that only the CPA is reflecting the life and works of Tagore. Discuss both sides when you are denying Purvapaksha. General discussion on Tagore is not required. At least we both are well read and if we want we can read more about Tagore to see which positions better matched with his life.

chandra hari

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > Namaste,> > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition everywhere...> > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own integrity than> anything else.> > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in her> words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any> justification in the events.> > I am not biased (…as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and there is no> ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake of an> on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are no counter> arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing exercises> (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no association> what so ever – with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how will I decide> in favour of one or the other?> > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect to your> statement:> "This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri> and the ayanamsa" (ref your document on Tagore)> > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also changed> drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are trying to> find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).> > Either I have got the chart wrong…then the argument can be on grounds as to> 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be the case> as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also he is sort> of placed in one but a foot in other.> > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any> justification in the events....> > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes….> > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the strongest kona and> governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its placement.> > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e 9L. How> one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi chart will> define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh and> vargas.> > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both manpower> and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes help him> achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars is the> dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and 4H. In> navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the fine> abilities in painting.> > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and literary> skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in natural 3H in> Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings he is> famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and language> skills.> > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for defining the> purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets confirmed> and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus. Classics always> say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and lords. In 3H> there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H also forms> another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.> > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be doomed> across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding 9H, but it> also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, research-mindedness. His> father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and spirituality.> In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L and 12L in> 6H from 9H.> > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes become> yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This is well> known dictum.> > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we find solid> grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please check the> navamsh given by CPA in this case.> > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided approach> is useless ending up with naming and blaming.> > Regards> Neelam>

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Namaskar,I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has countered Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see such an attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette such as this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to Neelam.

Rishi2008/5/9 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07:

 

 

 

 

Dear Chandra Hari ji,Namaste,You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition everywhere......just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own integrity than anything else.

 

A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in her words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any justification in the events.

I am not biased (…as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and there is no ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake of an on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are no counter arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing exercises (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no association what so ever – with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how will I decide in favour of one or the other?

Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect to your statement: " This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman, Lahiri and the ayanamsa " (ref your document on Tagore)

When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also changed drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are trying to find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).Either I have got the chart wrong…then the argument can be on grounds as to 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be the case as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also he is sort of placed in one but a foot in other.

Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding any justification in the events....Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes….

Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the strongest kona and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its placement.Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e 9L. How one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi chart will define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh and vargas.

Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both manpower and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes help him achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars is the dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and 4H. In navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the fine abilities in painting.

But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and literary skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in natural 3H in Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings he is famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and language skills.

Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for defining the purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets confirmed and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus. Classics always say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and lords. In 3H there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H also forms another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.

Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be doomed across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding 9H, but it also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, research-mindedness. His father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and spirituality. In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L and 12L in 6H from 9H.

Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes become yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This is well known dictum.We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we find solid grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please check the navamsh given by CPA in this case.

I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided approach is useless ending up with naming and blaming.RegardsNeelam