Choice of year length

May 6, 2008

Dear Neelam, Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face value, even if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for your reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008). The Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various Ayanamsa and year length combinations are given below.

CH(L+44);365.2425 days

Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve

Fails miserably

CH(L+44); 360 days

Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve

Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.

CH(L+46); 365.2425 days

Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma

Fails miserably.

CH (L+46); 360 days

Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa

Matches with the event; Perfect

L+365.2425 days

Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo

Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?

L+360 days

Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa

Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?

From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we buy his argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the conditions 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic for deriving the marriage timing. As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me the simple and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord and Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved. The involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own Sign are also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple thumb rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve are - Ju (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th lord, since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet placed in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find only 2 sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition, viz, 1) CH (L+46); 360 days 2) CH (L+44); 360 days. The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara level but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the following reasons - 1) None is in support of such an argument 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing as the other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44 with L+46, I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes. Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But I know that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425 days would also be "Almost there". Hope I am clear.Love and regards,SreenadhNeelam gupta07 wrote:>> In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is perfect> for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed after hassles> and much delay.> > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the 7L of> marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and addition to> family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L sun. This> yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There is a> perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter who> aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor is with> MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition from> relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might becoming wary> of everything and wanting to renounce!> > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan in> bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of past> connection only.> > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the blemish> of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions. There> might have> been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other possibilities.> But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so please> bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm opinion.> > Regards> > Neelam>

May 6, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,Namaste,With PL 7.1, lahiri ayanamsha, 365.25 days I am getting Mer-Ju-sa-ve as the dasha sequence from 12 Feb -5 mar.This to me is showing an absolute possibility for marriage that happened on 24-feb.

Hence I said so. Reasons already given in my mail.RegardsNeelam

May 6, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,I would like to share my humble opinion on the issue being discussed here.To me, it appears to be a chicken-and-egg problem that we are trying to solve in this manner. Because, if one should go into such a level in vimshottari dasha, the birth time ought to be rectified. Otherwise, no point going beyond three levels. In order to rectify the chart, what parameters are we going to use? Which ayanamsha and what length of the year? If there are real good techniques for rectifying a chart, with each combination that you have suggested in your table, the time rectified would be unique to that combination. Then, how are we going to compare the results of each of the combination.I hope I am able to convey my point of view.Regards,KrishnaSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Neelam, Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face value, even if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for your reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008). The Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various Ayanamsa and year length combinations are given below. CH(L+44);365.2425 days Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve Fails miserably CH(L+44); 360 days Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination. CH(L+46); 365.2425 days Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma Fails miserably. CH (L+46); 360 days Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa Matches with the event; Perfect L+365.2425 days Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve? L+360 days Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present? From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we buy his argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the conditions 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic for deriving the marriage timing. As normal astrologers what would we expect,

for something like marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me the simple and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord and Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved. The involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own Sign are also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple thumb rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve are - Ju (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th lord, since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet placed in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find only 2 sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition, viz, 1) CH (L+46); 360 days 2) CH (L+44); 360 days. The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara level but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to

the following reasons - 1) None is in support of such an argument 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing as the other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44 with L+46, I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes. Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But I know that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425 days would also be "Almost there". Hope I am clear.Love and regards,SreenadhNeelam gupta07 wrote:>> In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is perfect> for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed after hassles> and much delay.> > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the 7L of>

marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and addition to> family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L sun. This> yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There is a> perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter who> aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor is with> MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition from> relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might becoming wary> of everything and wanting to renounce!> > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan in> bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of past> connection only.> > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the blemish> of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L

mars in 5H of love and emotions. There> might have> been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other possibilities.> But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so please> bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm opinion.> > Regards> > Neelam>

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May 6, 2008

Dear Neelam ji, Please verify it agin - especially the comparison of what Chandra hari is speaking about and what you are speaking about. * Please note that Chandra hari is speaking about L+44 along with 365.2425 days and NOT ABOUT Lahari + 365.2425 days; and you are speaking about Lahari + 365.25 days (Of course you are true that with Lahari+365.25 we will get Me-Ju-Sa. But that is NOT the issue here and that will not solve the problem - since the argument is, whether to use 365.2425 or 360 days along with CHANDRAHARI AYANAMSA) * DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; POB: Trivandrum, Kerala. Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008. Year length: 365.2425 days (and NOT 365.25 days). Use the latest version of JHora. (It could be a JHora bug/correction as well) * Consider the Dasa from Moon only (and NOT from Lagna sputa) * Go up to the 5th level (and not just upto 3rd level) to ensure that Unintended planets are not involved. (When you go upto 5th level, you can easly see that L+365.2425 day combination too fails) Conclusion: Only L+46 along with 360 days savana year holds good.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Namaste,> > With PL 7.1, lahiri ayanamsha, 365.25 days I am getting Mer-Ju-sa-ve as the> dasha sequence from 12 Feb -5 mar.> This to me is showing an absolute possibility for marriage that happened on> 24-feb.> Hence I said so. Reasons already given in my mail.> > Regards> > Neelam>

May 6, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message 10058 -

Dear Chandra hari ji, Take this simple example. DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna) Trivandrum. Marriage 24 Feb 2008

You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are criticizing me and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I think I worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.

Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are placing the event in Rahu etc.

What is this?

chandra hari

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Neelam,> Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face value, even> if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for your> reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008). The> Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various Ayanamsa> and year length combinations are given below.> > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > Fails miserably> > CH(L+44); 360 days> > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > Fails miserably.> > CH (L+46); 360 days> > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > Matches with the event; Perfect> > L+365.2425 days> > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > L+360 days> > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we buy his> argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the conditions> 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic for> deriving the marriage timing.> As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me the simple> and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord and> Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved. The> involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own Sign are> also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple thumb> rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve are - Ju> (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th lord,> since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet placed> in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find only 2> sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition, viz,> 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara level> but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the following> reasons -> 1) None is in support of such an argument> 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing as the> other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44 with L+46,> I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But I know> that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425 days> would also be "Almost there". > Hope I am clear.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> >> > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is> perfect> > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed after> hassles> > and much delay.> >> > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the 7L> of> > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and addition> to> > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L sun.> This> > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There> is a> > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter who> > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor> is with> > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition> from> > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might becoming> wary> > of everything and wanting to renounce!> >> > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan> in> > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of past> > connection only.> >> > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> >> > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the blemish> > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions. There> > might have> > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> >> > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> possibilities.> > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so> please> > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm> opinion.> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

May 6, 2008

Dear Chandra hari ji, The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo is in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm - the marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given based on that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and table I supplied, I believe.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh,> > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message 10058> -> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> Take this simple example.> DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> Trivandrum.> Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are criticizing me> and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I think I> worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are placing the> event in Rahu etc.> > What is this?> > chandra hari> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam,> > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face value, even> > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for your> > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008). The> > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various Ayanamsa> > and year length combinations are given below.> >> > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> >> > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> >> > Fails miserably> >> > CH(L+44); 360 days> >> > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> >> > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> >> > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> >> > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> >> > Fails miserably.> >> > CH (L+46); 360 days> >> > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> >> > Matches with the event; Perfect> >> > L+365.2425 days> >> > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> >> > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> >> > L+360 days> >> > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> >> > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> >> >> > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we buy> his> > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the> conditions> > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic for> > deriving the marriage timing.> > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me the> simple> > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord and> > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved. The> > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own Sign are> > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple thumb> > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve are -> Ju> > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th lord,> > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet placed> > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find only 2> > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition, viz,> > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara level> > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the following> > reasons -> > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing as the> > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44 with> L+46,> > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But I know> > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425 days> > would also be "Almost there". > > Hope I am clear.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is> > perfect> > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed after> > hassles> > > and much delay.> > >> > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the> 7L> > of> > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and addition> > to> > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L> sun.> > This> > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There> > is a> > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter> who> > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor> > is with> > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition> > from> > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might> becoming> > wary> > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > >> > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan> > in> > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of past> > > connection only.> > >> > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > >> > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the> blemish> > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions. There> > > might have> > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> > >> > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> > possibilities.> > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so> > please> > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm> > opinion.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Neelam> > >> >>

May 6, 2008

Dear Neelam ji, There is a typo in my previous mail; It is NOT 2 Feb 2008 but instead 24th Feb 2008 as stated in previous mails. The table of Dasa-Antara provided in my earlier mail is prepared for 24 Feb 2008 it self and is correct.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:

Re: Choice of year length

Dear Neelam ji, Please verify it agin - especially the comparison of what Chandra hari is speaking about and what you are speaking about. * Please note that Chandra hari is speaking about L+44 along with 365.2425 days and NOT ABOUT Lahari + 365.2425 days; and you are speaking about Lahari + 365.25 days (Of course you are true that with Lahari+365.25 we will get Me-Ju-Sa. But that is NOT the issue here and that will not solve the problem - since the argument is, whether to use 365.2425 or 360 days along with CHANDRAHARI AYANAMSA) * DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; POB: Trivandrum, Kerala. Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008. Year length: 365.2425 days (and NOT 365.25 days). Use the latest version of JHora. (It could be a JHora bug/correction as well) * Consider the Dasa from Moon only (and NOT from Lagna sputa) * Go up to the 5th level (and not just upto 3rd level) to ensure that Unintended planets are not involved. (When you go upto 5th level, you can easly see that L+365.2425 day combination too fails) Conclusion: Only L+46 along with 360 days savana year holds good.Love and regards,Sreenadh> , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > With PL 7.1, lahiri ayanamsha, 365.25 days I am getting Mer-Ju-sa-ve> as the> > dasha sequence from 12 Feb -5 mar.> > This to me is showing an absolute possibility for marriage that> happened on> > 24-feb.> > Hence I said so. Reasons already given in my mail.> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

May 6, 2008

I think you have given another typo.

Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We all do such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is possible I will change your birth time, date or year...

c.hari , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Chandra hari ji,> The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo is> in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm - the> marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given based on> that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and table I> supplied, I believe.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> >> > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message 10058> > -> >> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > Take this simple example.> > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > Trivandrum.> > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> >> >> > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are criticizing> me> > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I think I> > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> >> > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are placing the> > event in Rahu etc.> >> > What is this?> >> > chandra hari> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam,> > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face value,> even> > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for your> > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008).> The> > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> Ayanamsa> > > and year length combinations are given below.> > >> > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > >> > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > >> > > Fails miserably> > >> > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > >> > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > >> > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > >> > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > >> > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > >> > > Fails miserably.> > >> > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > >> > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > >> > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > >> > > L+365.2425 days> > >> > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > >> > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > >> > > L+360 days> > >> > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > >> > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > >> > >> > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we buy> > his> > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the> > conditions> > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic for> > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me the> > simple> > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord and> > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved. The> > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own Sign> are> > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple thumb> > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve are> -> > Ju> > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th> lord,> > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet> placed> > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find only> 2> > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition, viz,> > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara level> > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> following> > > reasons -> > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing as> the> > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44 with> > L+46,> > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But I> know> > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425 days> > > would also be "Almost there". > > > Hope I am clear.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is> > > perfect> > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed> after> > > hassles> > > > and much delay.> > > >> > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also> the> > 7L> > > of> > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and> addition> > > to> > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L> > sun.> > > This> > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing.> There> > > is a> > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter> > who> > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> dispositor> > > is with> > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition> > > from> > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might> > becoming> > > wary> > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > >> > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> rinanubandhan> > > in> > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of> past> > > > connection only.> > > >> > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > >> > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the> > blemish> > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions.> There> > > > might have> > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> > > >> > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> > > possibilities.> > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and> so> > > please> > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some> firm> > > opinion.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> >>

May 6, 2008

Dear Chandra hari ji, Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct date is: is 24th Feb 2008.==>> now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> possible I will change your birth time, date or year...<== Lol.... Well said! Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember. Regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > I think you have given another typo.> > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We all do> such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > c.hari> , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo is> > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm - the> > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given based> on> > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and table> I> > supplied, I believe.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > >> > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message> 10058> > > -> > >> > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > Take this simple example.> > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > Trivandrum.> > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > >> > >> > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> criticizing> > me> > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I think> I> > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > >> > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are placing> the> > > event in Rahu etc.> > >> > > What is this?> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face value,> > even> > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for your> > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb 2008).> > The> > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > Ayanamsa> > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > >> > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > >> > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > >> > > > Fails miserably> > > >> > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > >> > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > >> > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > >> > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > >> > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > >> > > > Fails miserably.> > > >> > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > >> > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > >> > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > >> > > > L+365.2425 days> > > >> > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > >> > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > >> > > > L+360 days> > > >> > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > >> > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > >> > > >> > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we> buy> > > his> > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the> > > conditions> > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic for> > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me the> > > simple> > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord> and> > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved.> The> > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own Sign> > are> > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple> thumb> > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve> are> > -> > > Ju> > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th> > lord,> > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet> > placed> > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find> only> > 2> > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition,> viz,> > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara> level> > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > following> > > > reasons -> > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing as> > the> > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44 with> > > L+46,> > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But I> > know> > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425> days> > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat> is> > > > perfect> > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed> > after> > > > hassles> > > > > and much delay.> > > > >> > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also> > the> > > 7L> > > > of> > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and> > addition> > > > to> > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and> 10L> > > sun.> > > > This> > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing.> > There> > > > is a> > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> jupiter> > > who> > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > dispositor> > > > is with> > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> opposition> > > > from> > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might> > > becoming> > > > wary> > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > >> > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > rinanubandhan> > > > in> > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of> > past> > > > > connection only.> > > > >> > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > >> > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the> > > blemish> > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions.> > There> > > > > might have> > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> > > > >> > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> > > > possibilities.> > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and> > so> > > > please> > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some> > firm> > > > opinion.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 6, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,I didn't know it was your data! would've exercised caution before saying all what i said. Anyways I had taken 24 feb only in consideration.

Lahiri + 365 days in parashar lite 7.1 gives me-ju-sa-ve which is till 24 feb. So I felt it was correct. regardsNeelam

May 6, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim any other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa had been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.

I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too ended up making a slip...

chandra hari

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct> date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> ==>> > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> <==> Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage> was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> Regards,> Sreenadh> > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > I think you have given another typo.> >> > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We all do> > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> >> > c.hari> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo is> > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm -> the> > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given> based> > on> > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and> table> > I> > > supplied, I believe.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > >> > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message> > 10058> > > > -> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > Take this simple example.> > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > Trivandrum.> > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > >> > > >> > > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > criticizing> > > me> > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I> think> > I> > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > >> > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are placing> > the> > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > >> > > > What is this?> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> value,> > > even> > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for> your> > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb> 2008).> > > The> > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > > Ayanamsa> > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > >> > > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > > >> > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > >> > > > > Fails miserably> > > > >> > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > >> > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > > >> > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > > >> > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > >> > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > > >> > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > >> > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > >> > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > > >> > > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > >> > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > >> > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > > >> > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > >> > > > > L+360 days> > > > >> > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > > >> > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if we> > buy> > > > his> > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the> > > > conditions> > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic> for> > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me> the> > > > simple> > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna lord> > and> > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be involved.> > The> > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own> Sign> > > are> > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple> > thumb> > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to involve> > are> > > -> > > > Ju> > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa (5th> > > lord,> > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke (planet> > > placed> > > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find> > only> > > 2> > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition,> > viz,> > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara> > level> > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > > following> > > > > reasons -> > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> > > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as convincing> as> > > the> > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44> with> > > > L+46,> > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days. But> I> > > know> > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with 365.2425> > days> > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat> > is> > > > > perfect> > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed> > > after> > > > > hassles> > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is> also> > > the> > > > 7L> > > > > of> > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and> > > addition> > > > > to> > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and> > 10L> > > > sun.> > > > > This> > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing.> > > There> > > > > is a> > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> > jupiter> > > > who> > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > > dispositor> > > > > is with> > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > opposition> > > > > from> > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might> > > > becoming> > > > > wary> > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > >> > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > rinanubandhan> > > > > in> > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of> > > past> > > > > > connection only.> > > > > >> > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > >> > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the> > > > blemish> > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions.> > > There> > > > > > might have> > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady> love.> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow> and> > > so> > > > > please> > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some> > > firm> > > > > opinion.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 6, 2008

i had such a good laugh reading this:

I will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is possible I will change your birth time, date or year...

and then this:

When I had a slip you too> ended up making a slip...

so astrology is a slippery bussiness....even for post mortem analysis!!!?? like trying to pin down a particle in quantum mechanics? maybe that's why it is even more difficult to predict the future????

in school when somebody's slip showed we used to say, "Sunday is longer than Monday"....this of course, has no astrological connotations like the length of the year.....

Chandrahari ji, you must show your human side more often..........

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh,> > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim any> other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend> in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa had> been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth> time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> ended up making a slip...> > chandra hari> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct> > date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> > ==>> > > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing> is> > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > <==> > Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage> > was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I think you have given another typo.> > >> > > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We all> do> > > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software.> I> > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing> is> > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > >> > > c.hari> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo is> > > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm -> > the> > > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given> > based> > > on> > > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and> > table> > > I> > > > supplied, I believe.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > >> > > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message> > > 10058> > > > > -> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > Take this simple example.> > > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > > Trivandrum.> > > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > > criticizing> > > > me> > > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I> > think> > > I> > > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > > >> > > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are> placing> > > the> > > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > > >> > > > > What is this?> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> > value,> > > > even> > > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for> > your> > > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb> > 2008).> > > > The> > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > > > Ayanamsa> > > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > > >> > > > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > > >> > > > > > Fails miserably> > > > > >> > > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > > > >> > > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > > > >> > > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > > > >> > > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > > >> > > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > > > >> > > > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > > >> > > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > > > >> > > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > > >> > > > > > L+360 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > > > >> > > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> > > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if> we> > > buy> > > > > his> > > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the> > > > > conditions> > > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic> > for> > > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> > > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me> > the> > > > > simple> > > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna> lord> > > and> > > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be> involved.> > > The> > > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own> > Sign> > > > are> > > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple> > > thumb> > > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to> involve> > > are> > > > -> > > > > Ju> > > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa> (5th> > > > lord,> > > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke> (planet> > > > placed> > > > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find> > > only> > > > 2> > > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition,> > > viz,> > > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara> > > level> > > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > > > following> > > > > > reasons -> > > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> > > > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as> convincing> > as> > > > the> > > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44> > with> > > > > L+46,> > > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> > > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days.> But> > I> > > > know> > > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with> 365.2425> > > days> > > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji,> Mer-Jup-Sat> > > is> > > > > > perfect> > > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally> performed> > > > after> > > > > > hassles> > > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is> > also> > > > the> > > > > 7L> > > > > > of> > > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and> > > > addition> > > > > > to> > > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord> and> > > 10L> > > > > sun.> > > > > > This> > > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better> timing.> > > > There> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> > > jupiter> > > > > who> > > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > > > dispositor> > > > > > is with> > > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > > opposition> > > > > > from> > > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself> might> > > > > becoming> > > > > > wary> > > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > > rinanubandhan> > > > > > in> > > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result> of> > > > past> > > > > > > connection only.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears> the> > > > > blemish> > > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and> emotions.> > > > There> > > > > > > might have> > > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady> > love.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> > > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow> > and> > > > so> > > > > > please> > > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form> some> > > > firm> > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 6, 2008

Dear Vintaji,

I claim no virtues except my effort to be honest in my studies. I said in those words the tendency that may be expected of in a man like me who advocates a 'new discovery' in Jyotisha. I wanted that people must guard against me and others who may venture to make such cooking in Jyotisha.

I hope you read my subsequent comments also. In choosing, analyzing and in drawing conclusions we need scientific approach. Data chosen is correct or not? Whether data itself may add bias? Do we have sufficient data as to make the study immune to coincidences or accidental agreement that can be due to many reasons?

Anyway thaink you for your attention.

chandra hari

, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> > i had such a good laugh reading this:> > I will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > and then this:> > When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> > so astrology is a slippery bussiness....even for post mortem> analysis!!!?? like trying to pin down a particle in quantum mechanics?> maybe that's why it is even more difficult to predict the future????> > in school when somebody's slip showed we used to say, "Sunday is longer> than Monday"....this of course, has no astrological connotations like> the length of the year..... []> > Chandrahari ji, you must show your human side more often..........> > > > > > > > > > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> >> > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim> any> > other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> > comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend> > in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> > Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa> had> > been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> >> > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth> > time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> > getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct> > > date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> > > ==>> > > > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> some> > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> nothing> > is> > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > <==> > > Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage> > > was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> > > Regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I think you have given another typo.> > > >> > > > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We> all> > do> > > > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no> software.> > I> > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> some> > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> nothing> > is> > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > >> > > > c.hari> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo> is> > > > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm> -> > > the> > > > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given> > > based> > > > on> > > > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and> > > table> > > > I> > > > > supplied, I believe.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ,> "chandra_hari18"> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > >> > > > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in> Message> > > > 10058> > > > > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > > Take this simple example.> > > > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > > > Trivandrum.> > > > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > > > criticizing> > > > > me> > > > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I> > > think> > > > I> > > > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are> > placing> > > > the> > > > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > What is this?> > > > > >> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> > > value,> > > > > even> > > > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values> for> > > your> > > > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb> > > 2008).> > > > > The> > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > > > > Ayanamsa> > > > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Fails miserably> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > > > >> > > > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > L+360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed> by> > > > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong> if> > we> > > > buy> > > > > > his> > > > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per> the> > > > > > conditions> > > > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal> logic> > > for> > > > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something> like> > > > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For> me> > > the> > > > > > simple> > > > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna> > lord> > > > and> > > > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be> > involved.> > > > The> > > > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its> own> > > Sign> > > > > are> > > > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this> simple> > > > thumb> > > > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to> > involve> > > > are> > > > > -> > > > > > Ju> > > > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa> > (5th> > > > > lord,> > > > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke> > (planet> > > > > placed> > > > > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I> find> > > > only> > > > > 2> > > > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this> condition,> > > > viz,> > > > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto> Paryantara> > > > level> > > > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > > > > following> > > > > > > reasons -> > > > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we> consider> > > > > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as> > convincing> > > as> > > > > the> > > > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting> L+44> > > with> > > > > > L+46,> > > > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical> purposes.> > > > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days.> > But> > > I> > > > > know> > > > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with> > 365.2425> > > > days> > > > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji,> > Mer-Jup-Sat> > > > is> > > > > > > perfect> > > > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally> > performed> > > > > after> > > > > > > hassles> > > > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is> > > also> > > > > the> > > > > > 7L> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family> and> > > > > addition> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord> > and> > > > 10L> > > > > > sun.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better> > timing.> > > > > There> > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> > > > jupiter> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > > > > dispositor> > > > > > > is with> > > > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > > > opposition> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself> > might> > > > > > becoming> > > > > > > wary> > > > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > > > rinanubandhan> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed> result> > of> > > > > past> > > > > > > > connection only.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears> > the> > > > > > blemish> > > > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and> > emotions.> > > > > There> > > > > > > > might have> > > > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady> > > love.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the> other> > > > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be> slow> > > and> > > > > so> > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form> > some> > > > > firm> > > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 6, 2008

Dear Chandra Hari ji,

Unlike you, I am a beginner in astrology.

However, your approach to theories in astrolgy and intellectual honesty

- it really strikes a chord somewhere.

Probably I belong to 'more tolerant' or phlegmatic type of persons,

and sometimes wish that your fierce language becomes mellower

(it may drive away some part of audience too), I really

read / re-read your mails.

Please don't take this as as criticism or adulation.

It is an honest statement only.

I also do feel Truth must emerge - even if the emerging

truth is inconvenient for self / others.

regards

Chakraborty

chandra_hari18 [chandra_hari18]Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Choice of year length

Dear Vintaji,

I claim no virtues except my effort to be honest in my studies. I said in those words the tendency that may be expected of in a man like me who advocates a 'new discovery' in Jyotisha. I wanted that people must guard against me and others who may venture to make such cooking in Jyotisha.

I hope you read my subsequent comments also. In choosing, analyzing and in drawing conclusions we need scientific approach. Data chosen is correct or not? Whether data itself may add bias? Do we have sufficient data as to make the study immune to coincidences or accidental agreement that can be due to many reasons?

Anyway thaink you for your attention.

chandra hari

, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> > i had such a good laugh reading this:> > I will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > and then this:> > When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> > so astrology is a slippery bussiness....even for post mortem> analysis!!!?? like trying to pin down a particle in quantum mechanics?> maybe that's why it is even more difficult to predict the future????> > in school when somebody's slip showed we used to say, "Sunday is longer> than Monday"....this of course, has no astrological connotations like> the length of the year..... []> > Chandrahari ji, you must show your human side more often..........> > > > > > > > > > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> >> > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim> any> > other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> > comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend> > in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> > Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa> had> > been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> >> > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth> > time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> > getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct> > > date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> > > ==>> > > > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> some> > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> nothing> > is> > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > <==> > > Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage> > > was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> > > Regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I think you have given another typo.> > > >> > > > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We> all> > do> > > > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no> software.> > I> > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> some> > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> nothing> > is> > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > >> > > > c.hari> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo> is> > > > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm> -> > > the> > > > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given> > > based> > > > on> > > > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and> > > table> > > > I> > > > > supplied, I believe.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ,> "chandra_hari18"> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > >> > > > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in> Message> > > > 10058> > > > > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > > Take this simple example.> > > > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > > > Trivandrum.> > > > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > > > criticizing> > > > > me> > > > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I> > > think> > > > I> > > > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are> > placing> > > > the> > > > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > What is this?> > > > > >> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> > > value,> > > > > even> > > > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values> for> > > your> > > > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb> > > 2008).> > > > > The> > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > > > > Ayanamsa> > > > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Fails miserably> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > > > >> > > > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > L+360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed> by> > > > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong> if> > we> > > > buy> > > > > > his> > > > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per> the> > > > > > conditions> > > > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal> logic> > > for> > > > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something> like> > > > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For> me> > > the> > > > > > simple> > > > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna> > lord> > > > and> > > > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be> > involved.> > > > The> > > > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its> own> > > Sign> > > > > are> > > > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this> simple> > > > thumb> > > > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to> > involve> > > > are> > > > > -> > > > > > Ju> > > > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa> > (5th> > > > > lord,> > > > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke> > (planet> > > > > placed> > > > > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I> find> > > > only> > > > > 2> > > > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this> condition,> > > > viz,> > > > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto> Paryantara> > > > level> > > > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > > > > following> > > > > > > reasons -> > > > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we> consider> > > > > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as> > convincing> > > as> > > > > the> > > > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting> L+44> > > with> > > > > > L+46,> > > > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical> purposes.> > > > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days.> > But> > > I> > > > > know> > > > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with> > 365.2425> > > > days> > > > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji,> > Mer-Jup-Sat> > > > is> > > > > > > perfect> > > > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally> > performed> > > > > after> > > > > > > hassles> > > > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is> > > also> > > > > the> > > > > > 7L> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family> and> > > > > addition> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord> > and> > > > 10L> > > > > > sun.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better> > timing.> > > > > There> > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> > > > jupiter> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > > > > dispositor> > > > > > > is with> > > > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > > > opposition> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself> > might> > > > > > becoming> > > > > > > wary> > > > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > > > rinanubandhan> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed> result> > of> > > > > past> > > > > > > > connection only.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears> > the> > > > > > blemish> > > > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and> > emotions.> > > > > There> > > > > > > > might have> > > > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady> > > love.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the> other> > > > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be> slow> > > and> > > > > so> > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form> > some> > > > > firm> > > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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May 7, 2008

Dear Chakroborty,

I too felt the same for a bit, and I can see where you are coming from. I was never at the other end of the gun and so some people may disagree.

However this brutal frankness is second to Sri Chandra Hari ji's prominent facet of astrology study and application. Frankness is an atrribute we all appreciate and we must take it with its edge.

If every one was mellow then our reality would be heaven with clouds and angels.

In all very boring IMHO. I think we all choose to be here.

No offence intended and sorry for the non astrological post.

Regarding the original subject line, I use 360 days for Vimshottari dashas and 365 for for Narayan dasha's for cross check.

Regards

Soumit

--- On Tue, 5/6/08, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2RE: Re: Choice of year length Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 9:21 PM

Dear Chandra Hari ji,

Unlike you, I am a beginner in astrology.

However, your approach to theories in astrolgy and intellectual honesty

- it really strikes a chord somewhere.

Probably I belong to 'more tolerant' or phlegmatic type of persons,

and sometimes wish that your fierce language becomes mellower

(it may drive away some part of audience too), I really

read / re-read your mails.

Please don't take this as as criticism or adulation.

It is an honest statement only.

I also do feel Truth must emerge - even if the emerging

truth is inconvenient for self / others.

regards

Chakraborty

chandra_hari18 [chandra_ hari18 ]Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:27 AMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Choice of year length

Dear Vintaji,

I claim no virtues except my effort to be honest in my studies. I said in those words the tendency that may be expected of in a man like me who advocates a 'new discovery' in Jyotisha. I wanted that people must guard against me and others who may venture to make such cooking in Jyotisha.

I hope you read my subsequent comments also. In choosing, analyzing and in drawing conclusions we need scientific approach. Data chosen is correct or not? Whether data itself may add bias? Do we have sufficient data as to make the study immune to coincidences or accidental agreement that can be due to many reasons?

Anyway thaink you for your attention.

chandra hari

ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta@ ...> wrote:>> > i had such a good laugh reading this:> > I will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > and then this:> > When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> > so astrology is a slippery bussiness... .even for post mortem> analysis!!!? ? like trying to pin down a particle in quantum mechanics?> maybe that's why it is even more difficult to predict the future????> > in school when somebody's slip showed we used to say, "Sunday is longer> than Monday"....this of course, has no astrological connotations like> the length of the year..... []>

> Chandrahari ji, you must show your human side more often....... ...> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> >> > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim> any> > other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> > comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend> > in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> > Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa> had> > been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> >> > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth> > time can be

02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> > getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct> > > date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> > > ==>> > > > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> some> > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> nothing> > is> > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> >

> <==> > > Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage> > > was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> > > Regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I think you have given another typo.> > > >> > > > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We> all> > do> > > > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no> software.> > I> > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> some> > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> nothing> > is>

> > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > >> > > > c.hari> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo> is> > > > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm> -> > > the> > > > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given> > > based> > > > on> > > > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and> > > table> > > > I> > > > > supplied, I believe.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > >

Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "chandra_hari18"> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > >> > > > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in> Message> > > > 10058> > > > > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > > Take this simple example.> > > > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > > > Trivandrum.> > > > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > You gave the

date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > > > criticizing> > > > > me> > > > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I> > > think> > > > I> > > > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are> > placing> > > > the> > > > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > What is this?> > > > > >> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> > > > > >

sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> > > value,> > > > > even> > > > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values> for> > > your> > > > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb> > > 2008).> > > > > The> > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > > > > Ayanamsa> > > > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+44);365. 2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-

Ra-Ve> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Fails miserably> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke- Ju-Ve> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa- Sa-Ma> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me- Ve-Sa> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > > > >> > > > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su- Ma-Mo> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > L+360 days> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo- Ju-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed> by> > > > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong>

if> > we> > > > buy> > > > > > his> > > > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per> the> > > > > > conditions> > > > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke- Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal> logic> > > for> > > > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something> like> > > > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For> me> > > the> > > > > > simple> > > > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna> > lord> > > > and> >

> > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be> > involved.> > > > The> > > > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its> own> > > Sign> > > > > are> > > > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this> simple> > > > thumb> > > > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to> > involve> > > > are> > > > > -> > > > > > Ju> > > > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator) , Sa> > (5th> > > > > lord,> > > > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke> > (planet> > > > > placed> > > > >

> > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I> find> > > > only> > > > > 2> > > > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this> condition,> > > > viz,> > > > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto> Paryantara> > > > level> > > > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > > > > following> > > > > > > reasons -> > > > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we> consider> > > > > > > numerous charts this

usually does not seems to be as> > convincing> > > as> > > > > the> > > > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting> L+44> > > with> > > > > > L+46,> > > > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical> purposes.> > > > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days.> > But> > > I> > > > > know> > > > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with> > 365.2425> > > > days> > > > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji,> > Mer-Jup-Sat> > > > is> > > > > > > perfect> > > > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally> > performed> > > > > after> > > > > > > hassles> > > > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is> > > also> > > > > the> > > > > > 7L> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family> and> > >

> > addition> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord> > and> > > > 10L> > > > > > sun.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better> > timing.> > > > > There> > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> > > > jupiter> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > > > > dispositor> > > > > > > is with> > > > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > > >

opposition> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself> > might> > > > > > becoming> > > > > > > wary> > > > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > > > rinanubandhan> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed> result> > of> > > > > past> > > > > > > > connection only.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears> > the> > > > > > blemish> > > > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and> > emotions.> > > > > There> > > > > > > > might have> > > > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady> > > love.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the> other> > > > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be> slow> > > and> > > > > so> > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding

us till we are able to form> > some> > > > > firm> > > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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May 7, 2008

Dear Chandra hari ji, An error except to the maximum minor error of 3 minutes or so (which could happen naturally) cannot be expected in my chart because my parents where well educated (teachers) and where believers in astrology and took special care to note the time. If we are using L+44 along with 365.2425 days then, minor corrections will not be of much use since to bring the Dasa to Jupiter dasa (dasa of 7th lord) we would have to change the BT to at least 3.30 AM which is an impossibility. Please note also that, since here we are considering Vimsottari dasa from Moon, minor changes in birth time will not have much effect in the dasa at the time of event. There fore, as usual, as common practical astrologers are almost always forced to do, we should accept the given time as the correct time (especially in the case of Vimsottari dasa analysis), and proceed with our analysis and justification (of Ayanamsa and year length) - it is my opinian.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh,> > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim any> other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend> in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa had> been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth> time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> ended up making a slip...> > chandra hari> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The correct> > date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> > ==>> > > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing> is> > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > <==> > Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of marriage> > was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I think you have given another typo.> > >> > > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We all> do> > > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software.> I> > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing> is> > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > >> > > c.hari> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The typo is> > > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I confirm -> > the> > > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is given> > based> > > on> > > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data and> > table> > > I> > > > supplied, I believe.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > >> > > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in Message> > > 10058> > > > > -> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > Take this simple example.> > > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > > Trivandrum.> > > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > > criticizing> > > > me> > > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and I> > think> > > I> > > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > > >> > > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are> placing> > > the> > > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > > >> > > > > What is this?> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> > value,> > > > even> > > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values for> > your> > > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2 Feb> > 2008).> > > > The> > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for various> > > > Ayanamsa> > > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > > >> > > > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > > >> > > > > > Fails miserably> > > > > >> > > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > > > >> > > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this combination.> > > > > >> > > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > > > >> > > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > > >> > > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > > > >> > > > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > > >> > > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > > > >> > > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > > >> > > > > > L+360 days> > > > > >> > > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > > > >> > > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion expressed by> > > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong if> we> > > buy> > > > > his> > > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per the> > > > > conditions> > > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be only> > > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal logic> > for> > > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something like> > > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For me> > the> > > > > simple> > > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord, lagna> lord> > > and> > > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be> involved.> > > The> > > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its own> > Sign> > > > are> > > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this simple> > > thumb> > > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to> involve> > > are> > > > -> > > > > Ju> > > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator), Sa> (5th> > > > lord,> > > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke> (planet> > > > placed> > > > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I find> > > only> > > > 2> > > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this condition,> > > viz,> > > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto Paryantara> > > level> > > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to the> > > > following> > > > > > reasons -> > > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we consider> > > > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as> convincing> > as> > > > the> > > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting L+44> > with> > > > > L+46,> > > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical purposes.> > > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360 days.> But> > I> > > > know> > > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with> 365.2425> > > days> > > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji,> Mer-Jup-Sat> > > is> > > > > > perfect> > > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally> performed> > > > after> > > > > > hassles> > > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is> > also> > > > the> > > > > 7L> > > > > > of> > > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and> > > > addition> > > > > > to> > > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord> and> > > 10L> > > > > sun.> > > > > > This> > > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better> timing.> > > > There> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L> > > jupiter> > > > > who> > > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose> > > > dispositor> > > > > > is with> > > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > > opposition> > > > > > from> > > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself> might> > > > > becoming> > > > > > wary> > > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > > rinanubandhan> > > > > > in> > > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result> of> > > > past> > > > > > > connection only.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears> the> > > > > blemish> > > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and> emotions.> > > > There> > > > > > > might have> > > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady> > love.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other> > > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow> > and> > > > so> > > > > > please> > > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form> some> > > > firm> > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 7, 2008

Dear Vinita ji, Look at this statement of Chandra hari as well -==>In analyzing the evidence and drawing conclusions we must be very careful. We should not be drawn into some conclusion or argument just because we identify ourselves with a particular option. <== True! If some one can see himself, look back at himself, then certainly he has a best guidance from within; a best guru within; and he is the one who learns himself - whether spiritually or worldly! This is a fact regarding every individual - "one who can look within naturally becomes guru to himself and the world" And whenever it happens - others feel one with him/her; and words become nectar, a beauty to be enjoyed. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Vintaji,> > I claim no virtues except my effort to be honest in my studies. I said> in those words the tendency that may be expected of in a man like me who> advocates a 'new discovery' in Jyotisha. I wanted that people must> guard against me and others who may venture to make such cooking in> Jyotisha.> > I hope you read my subsequent comments also. In choosing, analyzing and> in drawing conclusions we need scientific approach. Data chosen is> correct or not? Whether data itself may add bias? Do we have sufficient> data as to make the study immune to coincidences or accidental agreement> that can be due to many reasons?> > Anyway thaink you for your attention.> > chandra hari> > > > > , "vinita kumar"> shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> >> > i had such a good laugh reading this:> >> > I will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up" some> > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If nothing is> > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> >> > and then this:> >> > When I had a slip you too> > > ended up making a slip...> >> > so astrology is a slippery bussiness....even for post mortem> > analysis!!!?? like trying to pin down a particle in quantum mechanics?> > maybe that's why it is even more difficult to predict the future????> >> > in school when somebody's slip showed we used to say, "Sunday is> longer> > than Monday"....this of course, has no astrological connotations like> > the length of the year..... []> >> > Chandrahari ji, you must show your human side more often..........> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > >> > > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim> > any> > > other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> > > comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my> friend> > > in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> > > Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa> > had> > > been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> > >> > > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether> birth> > > time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> > > getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> > > ended up making a slip...> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > Yes, you are right. Sorry for making another typo again. The> correct> > > > date is: is 24th Feb 2008.> > > > ==>> > > > > now unable to see your chart. This PC has no software. I> > > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> > some> > > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> > nothing> > > is> > > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > > <==> > > > Lol.... Well said! [] Ya, it is my chart and the date of> marriage> > > > was 24th Feb 2008 as everyone in this group may know and remember.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think you have given another typo.> > > > >> > > > > Now the date I am finding 24 March in your mail. It is fine. We> > all> > > do> > > > > such slips.. now unable to see your chart. This PC has no> > software.> > > I> > > > > will be back at night after seeing chart and after "cooking up"> > some> > > > > logic to explain your marriage if needed in Rahu itself. If> > nothing> > > is> > > > > possible I will change your birth time, date or year...> > > > >> > > > > c.hari> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > > The data given to you is correct. It is 24th Feb 2008. The> typo> > is> > > > > > in the second mail, (in which the 4 never got typed). I> confirm> > -> > > > the> > > > > > marriage date is 24th March 2008. And all the analysis is> given> > > > based> > > > > on> > > > > > that only - except that typo, there is no error in the data> and> > > > table> > > > > I> > > > > > supplied, I believe.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I want to give you a blast. See what you early posted in> > Message> > > > > 10058> > > > > > > -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > > > > > Take this simple example.> > > > > > > DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> > > > > > > Trivandrum.> > > > > > > Marriage 24 Feb 2008> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You gave the date of marriage as 24 Feb 2008. And you are> > > > > criticizing> > > > > > me> > > > > > > and asking people to beware of my data. To err is human and> I> > > > think> > > > > I> > > > > > > worked on the date 24 Feb you gave.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now you are giving 2 February, 22 days behind and you are> > > placing> > > > > the> > > > > > > event in Rahu etc.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What is this?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam,> > > > > > > > Please check yourself before buying some arguments on face> > > > value,> > > > > > even> > > > > > > > if provided by Chandra hari ji. Here is the actual values> > for> > > > your> > > > > > > > reference. (DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM; Marriage date: 2> Feb> > > > 2008).> > > > > > The> > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa-Antara upto 5 levels using JHora for> various> > > > > > Ayanamsa> > > > > > > > and year length combinations are given below.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > CH(L+44);365.2425 days> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Fails miserably> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > CH(L+44); 360 days> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Ke-Ju-Ve> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Matches with the event. But none proposes this> combination.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > CH(L+46); 365.2425 days> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Me-Ra-Su-Sa-Sa-Ma> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Fails miserably.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ju-Me-Ve-Sa> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Matches with the event; Perfect> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > L+365.2425 days> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ju-Ju-Sa-Su-Ma-Mo> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Almost there. But why Su, Ma and Mo? Where is Ve?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > L+360 days> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Me-Ju-Ke-Mo-Ju-Sa> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Not satisfactory. Why Ke and Mo? And why not Ve present?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From the above table it is clear that the opinion> expressed> > by> > > > > > > > Chandrahari that the event took place in Me-Ju-Sa is wrong> > if> > > we> > > > > buy> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > argument on 44 more than Lahari and 365.2425 days. As per> > the> > > > > > > conditions> > > > > > > > 44 min more than Lahari and 365.2425 days, it would be> only> > > > > > > > "Me-Ra-Su-Ke-Ra-Ve" which would fail as per every normal> > logic> > > > for> > > > > > > > deriving the marriage timing.> > > > > > > > As normal astrologers what would we expect, for something> > like> > > > > > > > marriage to fulfill in a chart as per Vimsottari dasa? For> > me> > > > the> > > > > > > simple> > > > > > > > and straight rule would be - Involvement of 7th lord,> lagna> > > lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > > Venus. If it is a love marriage the 5th lord should be> > > involved.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > involvement of 2nd lord, 11th lord, and any planet in its> > own> > > > Sign> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > also possibilities, even though secondary. As per this> > simple> > > > > thumb> > > > > > > > rule, in the above chart, the planets I would expect to> > > involve> > > > > are> > > > > > -> > > > > > > Ju> > > > > > > > (7th lord), Me (Lagna lord), Ve (marriage significator),> Sa> > > (5th> > > > > > lord,> > > > > > > > since it is a love marriage). Mo (the 11th lord) and Ke> > > (planet> > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > in 11th) could be possibilities but only secondary. And I> > find> > > > > only> > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > sets of data in the above table that satisfies this> > condition,> > > > > viz,> > > > > > > > 1) CH (L+46); 360 days> > > > > > > > 2) CH (L+44); 360 days.> > > > > > > > The third choice L + 365.2425 is almost there upto> > Paryantara> > > > > level> > > > > > > > but not beyond that. I discard CH(L+44); 360 days due to> the> > > > > > following> > > > > > > > reasons -> > > > > > > > 1) None is in support of such an argument> > > > > > > > 2) This is almost an exception, a rare case. When we> > consider> > > > > > > > numerous charts this usually does not seems to be as> > > convincing> > > > as> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > other combination CH (L+46), 360 days. After contrasting> > L+44> > > > with> > > > > > > L+46,> > > > > > > > I feel more comfortable with L+46 for all practical> > purposes.> > > > > > > > Thus I resort to my last and usual choice - L+46; 360> days.> > > But> > > > I> > > > > > know> > > > > > > > that, the people who use L+44 with 360 days and L with> > > 365.2425> > > > > days> > > > > > > > would also be "Almost there". > > > > > > > > Hope I am clear.> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelam gupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji,> > > Mer-Jup-Sat> > > > > is> > > > > > > > perfect> > > > > > > > > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally> > > performed> > > > > > after> > > > > > > > hassles> > > > > > > > > and much delay.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who> is> > > > also> > > > > > the> > > > > > > 7L> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family> > and> > > > > > addition> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna> lord> > > and> > > > > 10L> > > > > > > sun.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better> > > timing.> > > > > > There> > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with> 7L> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn,> whose> > > > > > dispositor> > > > > > > > is with> > > > > > > > > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage,> > > > > opposition> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself> > > might> > > > > > > becoming> > > > > > > > wary> > > > > > > > > of everything and wanting to renounce!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and> > > > > > rinanubandhan> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed> > result> > > of> > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > connection only.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also> bears> > > the> > > > > > > blemish> > > > > > > > > of 8thlordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and> > > emotions.> > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > might have> > > > > > > > > been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his> lady> > > > love.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the> > other> > > > > > > > possibilities.> > > > > > > > > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be> > slow> > > > and> > > > > > so> > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to> form> > > some> > > > > > firm> > > > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 7, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear sreenadh ji

like chandra ji said we cannot take the correct ness of our birth time ( i am happy if its wrong in ur case ) with a single events ,a birth chart shud reflect most of the major events in life .(This is a gr8 problem for me too as there is no major events in life ,like some one wrote in his dairy ,morning get up eat break fast ,then noon lunch ,then evening dinner and nite again sleep ,then he find every day same ,so strted writing same as yestrday in dairy ,then next yr onwards he strted writing ,same as last year on the first page of dairy it self )

Now prashna maarga says in 20th chapter stanza 65

marriage can take place in major -sub periods of planets in 7th house ,Planets aspecting 7th house ,the lord of 7th house ,the lord of the sign occuppied by the lord of 7th lord ,the navamsa Lord of lord of the 7th house ,venus ,moon or lord of the 7th house ,also saying some acharyas take rahu as he is laukika karaka .(most of the classical authoties also recognise the rahus marriage -causing abilities in his dasa-antara)

Now for ur ref i corrected ur time with kunta kriya so using 2.52.15 as BT ( did not calculate bhotodaya rising and other indications )

Lahiri with 365 days is giving merc-jup-sat-venus-jup -venus

Now with chandrahari mooladhara ayanamsa i got the period ( lahiri+44) and 365 days

i got as merc--rahu -sun-sat-mars-moon

with same ayanamsa with 360days

i got this and see Merc-jup-jup-merc-rahu-sat (assuming marriage happened b4 noon )

Now with ur favrite +46 and 360 days --------merc--jup -jup-sat-rahu-rahu ( pls correct it with exact marriage time )

Now say how we can go with this datas and dasas .Now i hav only one doubt r u sure u did born in this earth ??????

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> An error except to the maximum minor error of 3 minutes or so (which> could happen naturally) cannot be expected in my chart because my> parents where well educated (teachers) and where believers in astrology> and took special care to note the time.> If we are using L+44 along with 365.2425 days then, minor corrections> will not be of much use since to bring the Dasa to Jupiter dasa (dasa of> 7th lord) we would have to change the BT to at least 3.30 AM which is an> impossibility.> Please note also that, since here we are considering Vimsottari dasa> from Moon, minor changes in birth time will not have much effect in the> dasa at the time of event.> There fore, as usual, as common practical astrologers are almost> always forced to do, we should accept the given time as the correct time> (especially in the case of Vimsottari dasa analysis), and proceed with> our analysis and justification (of Ayanamsa and year length) - it is my> opinian.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> >> > You know I try to be intellectually honest even though I can't claim> any> > other virtues. I had a slip and that is why I ended up giving wrong> > comments on that chart. I had replied from a different PC of my friend> > in which I had put my pen drive. When the Jhora is accessed from> > Pendrive it had not save the preferences and so the default ayanamsa> had> > been Chitrapaksha and thus I ended up making that wrong statement.> >> > I would like to know the original birth time as known - whether birth> > time can be 02:50? And also please give one or two events also. Like> > getting into job, leaving home state etc. When I had a slip you too> > ended up making a slip...> >> > chandra hari

May 7, 2008

Dear Mr. Rishi Prasad,

In astrology there is NO running commentary for elections which spread

for entire year..... astrologers do not change their views....with

emerging media reports...... astrology or astrologers predict

events...right or wrong ......and learn from the reality that follows

it..... if interested kindly go through the archives.... where few

analysis has been posted.....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, " Rishi Prasad "

<rishiprasad wrote:

>

> hi everyone,

> anybody have any idea on whats happening in this hillary clinton v

obama

> fight astrologically?

Choice of year length

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