Postmortem studies on 100 charts, is it Jyotisham?

May 5, 2008

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know why I am

saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he wouldn't

taken Sanyasa as early.

Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree krishna nor

sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.

Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the truth,

whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??We all

want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs over the

false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? " Satyameva jayate naanritam ..

etc " )

My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old things

bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait till May

30th. (U know why!!)

Thank you,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Gaurav,

>

> You learn more to understand the meaning of what Mayavadi Sankara

has

> said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say Jaganmithya.

Jagat is

> the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in surrender.

For

> me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not part of

any

> mithya.

>

> And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your moment

suitable

> to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the grace at

> Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time under Karma

> instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.

>

> Shed your mind of the software that dims your receptivity. You are

too

> young, keep an open mind.

>

> I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids need thorough

> scolding. ..

>

> I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to perpetuate a

> wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only trying to

know

> the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the experience of

Cosmos -

> one has to experience the computed sun in his breathing...If you

are

> ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.

>

> chandra hari

>

> , " "

> <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> >

> > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> >

> > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world map, but the

soul

> is

> > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi Shankaracharya

said in

> > half sloka, " Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo brahmaiva naapara " .

> >

> > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the birth of the

mortal

> > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta & shuddha.

> > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood considering

that I

> > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why shall I

criticise

> > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha ayanamsha, &

unless some

> > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.

> >

> > What you noticed frm my website is jus commercialisation of

Jyotish

> > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy. You are

free to

> > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always have the

> liberty

> > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that right. But

> before

> > making any comment, remember that i told you the reason for paid

> service

> > through our private mails.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that India " was

> > > born " on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint exist for

1000s

> > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or suddenly it came

up in

> > > the world map???

> > >

> > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared on the world

map

> as

> > > ?

> > >

> > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate your

birthday?

> > >

> > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic Republic and they

make

> > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation from British

> India

> > to

> > > Independent India.

> > >

> > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand the answers

please

> > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you have the

potential

> > to

> > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you the answer

now.

> But

> > > then you must study and present the pros and cons/merits of

the work

> > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers published

in

> > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of professors.

Are you

> > > ready to make an attempt?

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> >

>

May 5, 2008

Dear Gaurav,

This is what I call indolence. I don't want to comment further because

you are a kid and I don't want to hurt you in public. I don't want to

show you a mirror now at this time. You already know what I said is true

or not and no need to wait till 30 May. Don't try to be oversmart. If I

said that you had a bad time, then you have a bad time. I don't wait to

know anything. If you are lucky then it is punyam of your parents.

I don't need any Upanishadic quotations. What have you studied from

Upanishads? How many Upanishads have you studied beyond may be googling?

What do you know about Sankara's advaitam? What have you read on

Darsanams? Don't try to chat with me here after googling on Ramakrishna

or advaitam or Sankara?

What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and

collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological service to

people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?

Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age

difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may be you

are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet so

that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a

teacher can come in disguise also.

chandra hari

, " "

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know why I am

> saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he wouldn't

> taken Sanyasa as early.

> Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree krishna nor

> sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.

> Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the truth,

> whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??We all

> want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs over the

> false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? " Satyameva jayate naanritam ..

> etc " )

> My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old things

> bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait till May

> 30th. (U know why!!)

> Thank you,

>

> http://gauravastro.150m.com

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gaurav,

> >

> > You learn more to understand the meaning of what Mayavadi Sankara

> has

> > said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say Jaganmithya.

> Jagat is

> > the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in surrender.

> For

> > me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not part of

> any

> > mithya.

> >

> > And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your moment

> suitable

> > to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the grace at

> > Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time under Karma

> > instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.

> >

> > Shed your mind of the software that dims your receptivity. You are

> too

> > young, keep an open mind.

> >

> > I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids need thorough

> > scolding. ..

> >

> > I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to perpetuate a

> > wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only trying to

> know

> > the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the experience of

> Cosmos -

> > one has to experience the computed sun in his breathing...If you

> are

> > ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , " "

> > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > >

> > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> > >

> > > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world map, but the

> soul

> > is

> > > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi Shankaracharya

> said in

> > > half sloka, " Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo brahmaiva naapara " .

> > >

> > > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the birth of the

> mortal

> > > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta & shuddha.

> > > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood considering

> that I

> > > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why shall I

> criticise

> > > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha ayanamsha, &

> unless some

> > > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.

> > >

> > > What you noticed frm my website is jus commercialisation of

> Jyotish

> > > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy. You are

> free to

> > > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always have the

> > liberty

> > > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that right. But

> > before

> > > making any comment, remember that i told you the reason for paid

> > service

> > > through our private mails.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that India " was

> > > > born " on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint exist for

> 1000s

> > > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or suddenly it came

> up in

> > > > the world map???

> > > >

> > > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared on the world

> map

> > as

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate your

> birthday?

> > > >

> > > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic Republic and they

> make

> > > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation from British

> > India

> > > to

> > > > Independent India.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand the answers

> please

> > > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you have the

> potential

> > > to

> > > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you the answer

> now.

> > But

> > > > then you must study and present the pros and cons/merits of

> the work

> > > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers published

> in

> > > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of professors.

> Are you

> > > > ready to make an attempt?

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 5, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

I am at a loss to understand as to what makes you think of 360 day year in explaining the marriage of this native on 24.02.2008?

With the solar year of 365.256 days you can place the event in

Budha dasa_Guru bhukti_Sani chidram and Sukra sookshma. You may be finding fault with Sani chidram as you have not looked into Navamsa. Sani is posited in Navamsa Lagna and such placement of planets play a role in marriage.

What better correlation are you finding with 360 day year?

chandra hari

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandra hari ji,> Take this simple example.> DOB: 18 Nov 1971; 2.55 AM (Visakha Nakshatra; Virgo Lagna)> Trivandrum.> Marriage 24 Feb 2008> Which is the Ayanamsa and Year Length that fits well, when used with> Vimsottari Dasa? It is due to numerous such examples that, I prefer True> Ayanamsa of 46 min more thn Lahari along with 360 days Savana year. > (You know, to whom the data belongs to.)> It is not due to any theoretical foundation or logic behind that I> have derived such (absurd?) conclusions - but practical> application/matching of events. Anyway I should agree that this> conclusion is specific to Vimsottari Dasa.> Another question that comes to mind is, If Parasara is the creator of> Vimsottari dasa system, and if he has suggested the use of 360 days> Savana year - should we not use it at least for Vimsottari Analysis? > May be as Neelam ji might put it, "Parasara may be using theoretically> wrong Year length to look at the planets, but he learnt to work with his> colored glasses only. While following his foot steps and the methodology> he suggests, he may go wrong his colored glasses are removed. If the> colored glasses he suggests are not used, we too may miss the correct> path while following him; because almost all of his descriptions would> be based on his vision." Avoiding the colored glasses, or jumping> without rings would be good - but only when we have mastered enough. As> a simple student without much understanding, I would prefer the> suggested ring, even though would love to keep the mind open for all> possibilities.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> >> > Any reference to 360 days as year by Parasara etc are mistaken> adoption> > from ancient astronomy. As we see in Pancasiddhantika, Vasishta> > discussions, 'days' in fact meant solar degrees and not Savana days.> >> > Keep an open mind and study more data will be my suggestion.> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandra hari ji,> > > I don't know whether 360 days Savana year has anything to do with> > > astronomy or not. But -> > > * For sure with practical experience of reading charts I know that> use> > > of 360 days Savana year gives me better results.> > > * I also know that almost all the ancient astro classics (except> > > Phala deepika) supports 360 days Savana year for result derivation.> > > Due to both the above reasons, and also because I am more interested> > > in results and correct predictions than the logic and theory behind,> I> > > prefer to use True Ayanamsa varient (46 min more than Lahari and NOT> > 44> > > min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year - irrespective of> > whether> > > you will call it ignorance or not.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelamhji,> > > >> > > > Any use of 360 days for year is simply ignorance of the very> basics> > of> > > > astronomy and astrology. In sidereal astrology (nirayana) only> > choice> > > > for the year is 365.2563624 days. Every graha is bound to Sun and> > > solar> > > > revolution is reference and the arc is 360 degree. Lagnas also> take> > > > circle of 360 degrees and not days. In 360 days sun travels only> 355> > > > degrees and 5 degs are left out. How the dasa-bhuktis derived> based> > on> > > > 360 degree revolutions of Moon and also involving 360 deg revls of> > > > planets, can manifest on an year less by 5 degrees?> > > >> > > > If anybody is using 360 days, its shows some handicap in thinking> > and> > > > reading. Savana year has nothing to do with Jyotisham. Only> sidereal> > > > solar year has to be used. Some guy in the past may have> speculated> > > for> > > > 360 days but it is wrong.> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > We are having here some very intense discussions between Renu ji> > and> > > > Chandra> > > > > Hari ji. I also feel that there is a point worth taking note> of...> > > > >> > > > > We are all aware that there are n-number of ayanamsha options> > > > prescribed for> > > > > making and reading a birth chart. Every software programme also> > > > includes a> > > > > list of ayanamshas for our choice. We as learners are always> > > > perplexed,> > > > > first by the enormity of the subject itself and then by so many> > > > options> > > > > for....ayanamshas....dashas etc. Raman himself was such a great> > name> > > > in> > > > > astrology with an entirely different ayanamsha!> > > > >> > > > > We all also know that postmortem justifications are very easy to> > > make.> > > > Then> > > > > how do we ascertain what is right. Every school of thought will> > most> > > > > vociferously defend its own system. But somewhere we all know> that> > > > there are> > > > > gaps and loose ends in our understanding. I also feel that we> > should> > > > keep> > > > > checking the charts through different ayanamshas, at least now> we> > > can> > > > see> > > > > both Lahiri's and Chandra Hari's and try to arrive at our own> > > > conclusions.> > > > >> > > > > We are having this blind chart exercise where no one knows the> > > native.> > > > We> > > > > cannot call it a postmortem study. Let us begin our probe with> > this.> > > > > I would request all those who have participated to give the> > > ayanamsha> > > > > they've used for analysis. When collating the results for> > > correctness> > > > and> > > > > precision, we can get an idea about the correctness of ayanamsha> > > used> > > > also.> > > > >> > > > > Anyone who's able to put his finger precisely on more than one> > event> > > > of her> > > > > life within one pratyantar, may be considered as using fairly> > > correct> > > > > parameters.> > > > >> > > > > Later on, once we know the events, and thus agree on natal> > promise,> > > we> > > > can> > > > > ask everyone to delineate the timing of that event within one> > > > pratyantar> > > > > only. I can withhold the dates till that time. Unbiased views> > about> > > > such> > > > > blind charts may lead to much better understanding if we adopt> an> > > open> > > > > policy....> > > > >> > > > > I shall appreciate if all the participants also submit:> > > > > 1) ayanamsha used> > > > > 2) year length for vimshottri dasha (365.25 or 360)> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2008/5/4 renunw renunw@:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > You write with so much concern and deep feeling for a *true> > > cause*.> > > > I> > > > > > get your message.> > > > > >> > > > > > What I cannot understand is why and how K. N. Rao ji and his> > books> > > > > > became popular [i presume so...if I am not misinformed] if his> > > > research was> > > > > > baseless?? Why do most of the astrologers go for Lahiri and> not> > > for> > > > > > Chandra Hari ayanamsa...may be in spite of knowing deep inside> > > them> > > > that> > > > > > Chandra Hari ayanams is more accurate??? Are good people> misled> > in> > > > this era> > > > > > of evil and of immorality?> > > > > >> > > > > > In a postmortem, I feel that any ayanamsa should be able to> > > clarify> > > > the> > > > > > past events because one way or the other one can find even a> > > remote> > > > > > relationship among planets/dasas, which explains everything.> > Hence> > > I> > > > feel> > > > > > that post mortem is like doing a jigsaw puzzle. Only a child's> > > > > > play....Hence future predictions would be the most appropriate> > > test> > > > to find> > > > > > out which ayanamsa is correct.> > > > > >> > > > > > 'According to ancient precepts an astrologer should not touch> > the> > > > chart of> > > > > > a dead person"> > > > > >> > > > > > Ancient precepts reveal some sense.> > > > > >> > > > > > "Let us reverse the practice and publish our failed> predictions> > > and> > > > > > analyze them to understand as to what we missed in making such> > > wrong> > > > > > analysis"> > > > > >> > > > > > If we fail ..the reason is we are blindfolded. Astrology> should> > > have> > > > a> > > > > > deeper meaning than just looking out for future events in a> > > persons> > > > life.> > > > > > Surely, the ancient wise men did not contemplate so hard for> > days> > > > and days> > > > > > just to find a shastra which could reveal the future of an> > > > individual???> > > > > > They wanted to teach us something more meaningful and I feel> > that> > > is> > > > what> > > > > > we miss here.> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jyotihsastram, most of the self styled champions do not> > > understand> > > > its> > > > > > > depths and the sacrifices that have gone into its> development.> > > > Mostly> > > > > > > these guys speaks of one Parasara who is extolled as Rishi> > > because> > > > he> > > > > > > summarized the Hora and then Varahmihira who in known times> > (6th> > > > cent> > > > > > > CE) compiled the knowledge of those days. Today as computers> > > have> > > > become> > > > > > > available anyone can speculate on a chart without scientific> > > > training> > > > > > > and abuse the subject for making money and claiming> > Vachaspati.> > > > Are> > > > > > > they to be taken as idols?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What about the great people Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Lalla,> > > > Munjala,> > > > > > > Haridatta, Paramesvara, Bhaskara-I and II .., men of> > > unimaginable> > > > > > > credentials who served the cause of Jyotisha through> > painstaking> > > > studies> > > > > > > on astronomy? We don't know about the works of their people> > and> > > so> > > > we> > > > > > > have come to imagine that X, Y, Z are serving Jyotisha in> some> > > > hi-fi> > > > > > > manner. Postmortem studies on 100 charts, is it Jyotisham?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Is there anyone who can predict by observing Swara? You can> > see> > > > some> > > > > > > prasna jargon in certain journals. Can any Prasna be> complete> > > > without> > > > > > > nimitta and Swara? Why the modern researchers cannot predict> > the> > > > sex of> > > > > > > the child? With Rasi and mathematics none could have> predicted> > > it> > > > > > > without the aid of Swara.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What is the birth time? I know that it is 'first cry' and is> a> > > > tantric> > > > > > > precept. But how it can be proved by research?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Computation became easy and it does not mean that research> in> > > > Jyotisha> > > > > > > is now postmortem. According to ancient precepts an> astrologer> > > > should> > > > > > > not touch the chart of a dead person. Is postmortem the only> > way> > > > for> > > > > > > astrological research? Where lies the true phenomenal,> > > operational> > > > basis> > > > > > > of Jyotisha?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > No research in Jyotisha is possible without corresponding> > > studies> > > > in> > > > > > > Yogasastra. But we must remember that grey beard and> > > > pseudospiritual> > > > > > > jargon are not the reflections of yogic vision in> astrological> > > > studies.> > > > > > > It is my request that the group may seriously contemplate on> > the> > > > > > > limitations of postmortem studies and the possibility of> > > replacing> > > > it> > > > > > > with a live Jyotisham.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, we need living Jyotisham. Experiencing the grahas and> > time,> > > > > > > experience of 'daivam'/destiny through the Siva svara, the> > > breath> > > > and> > > > > > > the tattvas. Jataka, Prasna, Nimitta and Swara must go hand> in> > > > hand to> > > > > > > make a living Jyotisham.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mortuary Jyotisham as is being produced in some journals> must> > be> > > > > > > outrightly rejected as they are cooked up stories published> > for> > > > > > > enhancing one's personal prestige. A true astrologer should> > not> > > > claim of> > > > > > > any successful predictions in public. Let us reverse the> > > practice> > > > and> > > > > > > publish our failed predictions and analyze them to> understand> > as> > > > to what> > > > > > > we missed in making such wrong analysis.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 5, 2008

In fact Sreenadh ji. I

agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is perfect for giving marriage, a long

overdue marriage finally performed after hassles and much delay.

Saturn from 9H aspects

Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the 7L of marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and

addition to family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L

sun. This yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There is a perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter who aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor is with MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition from relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might becoming wary of everything and wanting to renounce!

Also, Saturn retrograde

being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan in bhagyasthan, it should've given

the native a delayed result of past connection only.

Then it connects lagna

and 7H in navamsh.

From moon this Saturn is

in Mangalya house but also bears the blemish of 8th lordship. It

aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions. There might have been a long and arduous

emotional journey to get his lady love.Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other possibilities. But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so please bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm opinion.

RegardsNeelam

May 5, 2008

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Chandra Hariji,

Well said.Its upto you whether you want to hurt me in public or

sending me some mails. Seems, that you are more than the Creator,

who can say with certainty what exactly is going to happen; an

astrologer can only indicate, never can say with certainty. If he

does so, its nothing but a fake claim & ego. Your ego is oozing from

each & every word of your mail.

Yes,you dont want truth, thats why you dont need Upanishadic

quotations.Though its needless to say the number of Upanishads I

have gone through,based on Sankara's commentary, still for your

info, I have gone through isha,kena, katha, manduka, mundka,

taittiriya, prasna, swetaswatara & brihadaranyaka (couldn't read

Chhandogya as dint get time ).So, I guess you wont say that I was

googling with the Upanishads, neither Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna

(If you haven't gone through that book, I have an ebook for you. If

you want, I would love to send it thru email!!).

//> What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and

> collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological

service to

> people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?

>

> Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age

> difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may

be you

> are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet

so

> that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a

> teacher can come in disguise also.

>

> chandra hari//

These words reflect nothing but ego, superiority complex, arrogance

& lack of humility. Do you consider that you know everything of

astrology????Do you have thorough knowledge of all subjects in this

world & life also???Even if i am a genius, I will never place you

below my feet only because of your false ego, & lack of humility!!..

You are a devotee of Bhavani, good , but remember, Bhavani can you

pull you down anytime she wants (recollect experience of Shankara in

Kashi).

Thank you,

http://gauravastro.150m.com

P.S.-Yes, I will advertise & market my website & collect money

through paid readings. What does it matter to you???

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Gaurav,

>

> This is what I call indolence. I don't want to comment further

because

> you are a kid and I don't want to hurt you in public. I don't want

to

> show you a mirror now at this time. You already know what I said

is true

> or not and no need to wait till 30 May. Don't try to be oversmart.

If I

> said that you had a bad time, then you have a bad time. I don't

wait to

> know anything. If you are lucky then it is punyam of your parents.

>

> I don't need any Upanishadic quotations. What have you studied from

> Upanishads? How many Upanishads have you studied beyond may be

googling?

>

> What do you know about Sankara's advaitam? What have you read on

> Darsanams? Don't try to chat with me here after googling on

Ramakrishna

> or advaitam or Sankara?

>

> What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and

> collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological

service to

> people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?

>

> Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age

> difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may

be you

> are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet

so

> that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a

> teacher can come in disguise also.

>

> chandra hari

, " "

> <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> > Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know why I am

> > saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he wouldn't

> > taken Sanyasa as early.

> > Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree krishna

nor

> > sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.

> > Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the truth,

> > whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??We all

> > want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs over

the

> > false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? " Satyameva jayate naanritam ..

> > etc " )

> > My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old things

> > bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait till May

> > 30th. (U know why!!)

> > Thank you,

> >

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> >

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gaurav,

> > >

> > > You learn more to understand the meaning of what Mayavadi

Sankara

> > has

> > > said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say Jaganmithya.

> > Jagat is

> > > the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in

surrender.

> > For

> > > me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not part

of

> > any

> > > mithya.

> > >

> > > And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your moment

> > suitable

> > > to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the grace at

> > > Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time under

Karma

> > > instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.

> > >

> > > Shed your mind of the software that dims your receptivity. You

are

> > too

> > > young, keep an open mind.

> > >

> > > I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids need

thorough

> > > scolding. ..

> > >

> > > I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to

perpetuate a

> > > wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only trying

to

> > know

> > > the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the experience of

> > Cosmos -

> > > one has to experience the computed sun in his breathing...If

you

> > are

> > > ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > , " "

> > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world map, but

the

> > soul

> > > is

> > > > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi

Shankaracharya

> > said in

> > > > half sloka, " Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo brahmaiva

naapara " .

> > > >

> > > > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the birth of

the

> > mortal

> > > > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta & shuddha.

> > > > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood considering

> > that I

> > > > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why shall I

> > criticise

> > > > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha ayanamsha, &

> > unless some

> > > > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.

> > > >

> > > > What you noticed frm my website is jus commercialisation of

> > Jyotish

> > > > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy. You are

> > free to

> > > > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always have

the

> > > liberty

> > > > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that right.

But

> > > before

> > > > making any comment, remember that i told you the reason for

paid

> > > service

> > > > through our private mails.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that

India " was

> > > > > born " on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint exist

for

> > 1000s

> > > > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or suddenly it

came

> > up in

> > > > > the world map???

> > > > >

> > > > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared on the

world

> > map

> > > as

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate your

> > birthday?

> > > > >

> > > > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic Republic and

they

> > make

> > > > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation from

British

> > > India

> > > > to

> > > > > Independent India.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand the

answers

> > please

> > > > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you have the

> > potential

> > > > to

> > > > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you the

answer

> > now.

> > > But

> > > > > then you must study and present the pros and cons/merits of

> > the work

> > > > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers

published

> > in

> > > > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of professors.

> > Are you

> > > > > ready to make an attempt?

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra hari

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 5, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,Sorry there was a typo, pls correctVenus for family and

addition to family and Bhagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L Mercury. RegardsNeelam

2008/5/5 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07:

In fact Sreenadh ji. I

agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is perfect for giving marriage, a long

overdue marriage finally performed after hassles and much delay.

Saturn from 9H aspects

Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the 7L of marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and

addition to family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L

sun. This yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There is a perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter who aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor is with MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition from relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might becoming wary of everything and wanting to renounce!

Also, Saturn retrograde

being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan in bhagyasthan, it should've given

the native a delayed result of past connection only.

Then it connects lagna

and 7H in navamsh.

From moon this Saturn is

in Mangalya house but also bears the blemish of 8th lordship. It

aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions. There might have been a long and arduous

emotional journey to get his lady love.Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other possibilities. But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so please bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm opinion.

RegardsNeelam

May 5, 2008

Dear Gaurav,

Yes, I have the ego and so I was on the look out for a Guru. Can you teach me something that you have learned from these Upanishads so that my ego is dissolved?

1. Are you convinced after reading all these that a soul exists?

2. Have you developed the discrimination to understand good and bad?

3. Are you convinced that rebirth exists?

4. Are you convinced that non-possessivenss is the best virtue?

5. Have you understood what is Dharma and Adharma?

I will be very much obliged if you can enlighten me with your understanding.

chandra hari

, "" <gaurav.ghosh wrote:>> ||Jai Ramakrishna||> Dear Shree Chandra Hariji,> Well said.Its upto you whether you want to hurt me in public or > sending me some mails. Seems, that you are more than the Creator, > who can say with certainty what exactly is going to happen; an > astrologer can only indicate, never can say with certainty. If he > does so, its nothing but a fake claim & ego. Your ego is oozing from > each & every word of your mail.> Yes,you dont want truth, thats why you dont need Upanishadic > quotations.Though its needless to say the number of Upanishads I > have gone through,based on Sankara's commentary, still for your > info, I have gone through isha,kena, katha, manduka, mundka, > taittiriya, prasna, swetaswatara & brihadaranyaka (couldn't read > Chhandogya as dint get time ).So, I guess you wont say that I was > googling with the Upanishads, neither Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna > (If you haven't gone through that book, I have an ebook for you. If > you want, I would love to send it thru email!!).> //> What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and> > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological > service to> > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?> > > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age> > difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may > be you> > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet > so> > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a> > teacher can come in disguise also.> > > > chandra hari//> > These words reflect nothing but ego, superiority complex, arrogance > & lack of humility. Do you consider that you know everything of > astrology????Do you have thorough knowledge of all subjects in this > world & life also???Even if i am a genius, I will never place you > below my feet only because of your false ego, & lack of humility!!..> You are a devotee of Bhavani, good , but remember, Bhavani can you > pull you down anytime she wants (recollect experience of Shankara in > Kashi).> Thank you,> > http://gauravastro.150m.com> P.S.-Yes, I will advertise & market my website & collect money > through paid readings. What does it matter to you???> > > > > , "chandra_hari18" > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Gaurav,> > > > This is what I call indolence. I don't want to comment further > because> > you are a kid and I don't want to hurt you in public. I don't want > to> > show you a mirror now at this time. You already know what I said > is true> > or not and no need to wait till 30 May. Don't try to be oversmart. > If I> > said that you had a bad time, then you have a bad time. I don't > wait to> > know anything. If you are lucky then it is punyam of your parents.> > > > I don't need any Upanishadic quotations. What have you studied from> > Upanishads? How many Upanishads have you studied beyond may be > googling?> > > > What do you know about Sankara's advaitam? What have you read on> > Darsanams? Don't try to chat with me here after googling on > Ramakrishna> > or advaitam or Sankara?> > > > What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and> > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological > service to> > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?> > > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age> > difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may > be you> > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet > so> > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a> > teacher can come in disguise also.> > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ""> > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > >> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,> > > Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know why I am> > > saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he wouldn't> > > taken Sanyasa as early.> > > Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree krishna > nor> > > sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.> > > Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the truth,> > > whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??We all> > > want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs over > the> > > false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? "Satyameva jayate naanritam ..> > > etc")> > > My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old things> > > bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait till May> > > 30th. (U know why!!)> > > Thank you,> > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gaurav,> > > >> > > > You learn more to understand the meaning of what Mayavadi > Sankara> > > has> > > > said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say Jaganmithya.> > > Jagat is> > > > the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in > surrender.> > > For> > > > me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not part > of> > > any> > > > mithya.> > > >> > > > And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your moment> > > suitable> > > > to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the grace at> > > > Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time under > Karma> > > > instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.> > > >> > > > Shed your mind of the software that dims your receptivity. You > are> > > too> > > > young, keep an open mind.> > > >> > > > I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids need > thorough> > > > scolding. ..> > > >> > > > I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to > perpetuate a> > > > wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only trying > to> > > know> > > > the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the experience of> > > Cosmos -> > > > one has to experience the computed sun in his breathing...If > you> > > are> > > > ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , ""> > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,> > > > >> > > > > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world map, but > the> > > soul> > > > is> > > > > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi > Shankaracharya> > > said in> > > > > half sloka, "Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo brahmaiva > naapara".> > > > >> > > > > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the birth of > the> > > mortal> > > > > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta & shuddha.> > > > > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood considering> > > that I> > > > > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why shall I> > > criticise> > > > > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha ayanamsha, & > > > unless some> > > > > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.> > > > >> > > > > What you noticed frm my website is jus commercialisation of> > > Jyotish> > > > > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy. You are> > > free to> > > > > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always have > the> > > > liberty> > > > > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that right. > But> > > > before> > > > > making any comment, remember that i told you the reason for > paid> > > > service> > > > > through our private mails.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that > India "was> > > > > > born" on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint exist > for> > > 1000s> > > > > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or suddenly it > came> > > up in> > > > > > the world map???> > > > > >> > > > > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared on the > world> > > map> > > > as> > > > > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate your> > > birthday?> > > > > >> > > > > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic Republic and > they> > > make> > > > > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation from > British> > > > India> > > > > to> > > > > > Independent India.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand the > answers> > > please> > > > > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you have the> > > potential> > > > > to> > > > > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you the > answer> > > now.> > > > But> > > > > > then you must study and present the pros and cons/merits of> > > the work> > > > > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers > published> > > in> > > > > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of professors.> > > Are you> > > > > > ready to make an attempt?> > > > > >> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 5, 2008

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear SHree Chandrahariji,

Yes, I will reply to your questions, but only when you shed ego.

Thank you,

http://gauravastro.150m.com--- In , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Gaurav,> > Yes, I have the ego and so I was on the look out for a Guru. Can you> teach me something that you have learned from these Upanishads so that> my ego is dissolved?> > 1. Are you convinced after reading all these that a soul exists?> > 2. Have you developed the discrimination to understand good and bad?> > 3. Are you convinced that rebirth exists?> > 4. Are you convinced that non-possessivenss is the best virtue?> > 5. Have you understood what is Dharma and Adharma?> > I will be very much obliged if you can enlighten me with your> understanding.> > chandra hari> > , ""> gaurav.ghosh@ wrote:> >> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > Dear Shree Chandra Hariji,> > Well said.Its upto you whether you want to hurt me in public or> > sending me some mails. Seems, that you are more than the Creator,> > who can say with certainty what exactly is going to happen; an> > astrologer can only indicate, never can say with certainty. If he> > does so, its nothing but a fake claim & ego. Your ego is oozing from> > each & every word of your mail.> > Yes,you dont want truth, thats why you dont need Upanishadic> > quotations.Though its needless to say the number of Upanishads I> > have gone through,based on Sankara's commentary, still for your> > info, I have gone through isha,kena, katha, manduka, mundka,> > taittiriya, prasna, swetaswatara & brihadaranyaka (couldn't read> > Chhandogya as dint get time ).So, I guess you wont say that I was> > googling with the Upanishads, neither Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna> > (If you haven't gone through that book, I have an ebook for you. If> > you want, I would love to send it thru email!!).> > //> What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and> > > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological> > service to> > > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?> > >> > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age> > > difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may> > be you> > > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet> > so> > > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a> > > teacher can come in disguise also.> > >> > > chandra hari//> >> > These words reflect nothing but ego, superiority complex, arrogance> > & lack of humility. Do you consider that you know everything of> > astrology????Do you have thorough knowledge of all subjects in this> > world & life also???Even if i am a genius, I will never place you> > below my feet only because of your false ego, & lack of humility!!..> > You are a devotee of Bhavani, good , but remember, Bhavani can you> > pull you down anytime she wants (recollect experience of Shankara in> > Kashi).> > Thank you,> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com> > P.S.-Yes, I will advertise & market my website & collect money> > through paid readings. What does it matter to you???> > > >> >> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gaurav,> > >> > > This is what I call indolence. I don't want to comment further> > because> > > you are a kid and I don't want to hurt you in public. I don't want> > to> > > show you a mirror now at this time. You already know what I said> > is true> > > or not and no need to wait till 30 May. Don't try to be oversmart.> > If I> > > said that you had a bad time, then you have a bad time. I don't> > wait to> > > know anything. If you are lucky then it is punyam of your parents.> > >> > > I don't need any Upanishadic quotations. What have you studied from> > > Upanishads? How many Upanishads have you studied beyond may be> > googling?> > >> > > What do you know about Sankara's advaitam? What have you read on> > > Darsanams? Don't try to chat with me here after googling on> > Ramakrishna> > > or advaitam or Sankara?> > >> > > What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and> > > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological> > service to> > > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?> > >> > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age> > > difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may> > be you> > > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet> > so> > > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a> > > teacher can come in disguise also.> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , ""> > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > >> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,> > > > Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know why I am> > > > saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he wouldn't> > > > taken Sanyasa as early.> > > > Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree krishna> > nor> > > > sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.> > > > Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the truth,> > > > whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??We all> > > > want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs over> > the> > > > false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? "Satyameva jayate naanritam ..> > > > etc")> > > > My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old things> > > > bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait till May> > > > 30th. (U know why!!)> > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gaurav,> > > > >> > > > > You learn more to understand the meaning of what Mayavadi> > Sankara> > > > has> > > > > said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say Jaganmithya.> > > > Jagat is> > > > > the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in> > surrender.> > > > For> > > > > me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not part> > of> > > > any> > > > > mithya.> > > > >> > > > > And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your moment> > > > suitable> > > > > to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the grace at> > > > > Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time under> > Karma> > > > > instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.> > > > >> > > > > Shed your mind of the software that dims your receptivity. You> > are> > > > too> > > > > young, keep an open mind.> > > > >> > > > > I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids need> > thorough> > > > > scolding. ..> > > > >> > > > > I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to> > perpetuate a> > > > > wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only trying> > to> > > > know> > > > > the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the experience of> > > > Cosmos -> > > > > one has to experience the computed sun in his breathing...If> > you> > > > are> > > > > ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , ""> > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world map, but> > the> > > > soul> > > > > is> > > > > > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi> > Shankaracharya> > > > said in> > > > > > half sloka, "Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo brahmaiva> > naapara".> > > > > >> > > > > > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the birth of> > the> > > > mortal> > > > > > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta & shuddha.> > > > > > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood considering> > > > that I> > > > > > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why shall I> > > > criticise> > > > > > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha ayanamsha, & > > > > unless some> > > > > > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.> > > > > >> > > > > > What you noticed frm my website is jus commercialisation of> > > > Jyotish> > > > > > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy. You are> > > > free to> > > > > > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always have> > the> > > > > liberty> > > > > > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that right.> > But> > > > > before> > > > > > making any comment, remember that i told you the reason for> > paid> > > > > service> > > > > > through our private mails.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that> > India "was> > > > > > > born" on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint exist> > for> > > > 1000s> > > > > > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or suddenly it> > came> > > > up in> > > > > > > the world map???> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared on the> > world> > > > map> > > > > as> > > > > > > ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate your> > > > birthday?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic Republic and> > they> > > > make> > > > > > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation from> > British> > > > > India> > > > > > to> > > > > > > Independent India.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand the> > answers> > > > please> > > > > > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you have the> > > > potential> > > > > > to> > > > > > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you the> > answer> > > > now.> > > > > But> > > > > > > then you must study and present the pros and cons/merits of> > > > the work> > > > > > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers> > published> > > > in> > > > > > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of professors.> > > > Are you> > > > > > > ready to make an attempt?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 5, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear gaurv and dear chandra ji

No amnt of arguement will prove a thing

so let gaurav giv a honest chart with a event and let us see practicaly waht happened

i hope every one in grp will particpate ,as astro lovers we r here to reserch and prove ,not i win u lose attitude and we r forgetting the aim of our grp

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "" <gaurav.ghosh wrote:>> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > Dear SHree Chandrahariji,> > Yes, I will reply to your questions, but only when you shed ego.> > Thank you,> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com <http://gauravastro.150m.com>> , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gaurav,> >> > Yes, I have the ego and so I was on the look out for a Guru. Can you> > teach me something that you have learned from these Upanishads so that> > my ego is dissolved?> >> > 1. Are you convinced after reading all these that a soul exists?> >> > 2. Have you developed the discrimination to understand good and bad?> >> > 3. Are you convinced that rebirth exists?> >> > 4. Are you convinced that non-possessivenss is the best virtue?> >> > 5. Have you understood what is Dharma and Adharma?> >> > I will be very much obliged if you can enlighten me with your> > understanding.> >> > chandra hari> >> > , ""> > gaurav.ghosh@ wrote:> > >> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > Dear Shree Chandra Hariji,> > > Well said.Its upto you whether you want to hurt me in public or> > > sending me some mails. Seems, that you are more than the Creator,> > > who can say with certainty what exactly is going to happen; an> > > astrologer can only indicate, never can say with certainty. If he> > > does so, its nothing but a fake claim & ego. Your ego is oozing from> > > each & every word of your mail.> > > Yes,you dont want truth, thats why you dont need Upanishadic> > > quotations.Though its needless to say the number of Upanishads I> > > have gone through,based on Sankara's commentary, still for your> > > info, I have gone through isha,kena, katha, manduka, mundka,> > > taittiriya, prasna, swetaswatara & brihadaranyaka (couldn't read> > > Chhandogya as dint get time ).So, I guess you wont say that I was> > > googling with the Upanishads, neither Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna> > > (If you haven't gone through that book, I have an ebook for you. If> > > you want, I would love to send it thru email!!).> > > //> What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and> > > > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological> > > service to> > > > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?> > > >> > > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age> > > > difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may> > > be you> > > > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet> > > so> > > > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a> > > > teacher can come in disguise also.> > > >> > > > chandra hari//> > >> > > These words reflect nothing but ego, superiority complex, arrogance> > > & lack of humility. Do you consider that you know everything of> > > astrology????Do you have thorough knowledge of all subjects in this> > > world & life also???Even if i am a genius, I will never place you> > > below my feet only because of your false ego, & lack of humility!!..> > > You are a devotee of Bhavani, good , but remember, Bhavani can you> > > pull you down anytime she wants (recollect experience of Shankara in> > > Kashi).> > > Thank you,> > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com> > > P.S.-Yes, I will advertise & market my website & collect money> > > through paid readings. What does it matter to you???> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gaurav,> > > >> > > > This is what I call indolence. I don't want to comment further> > > because> > > > you are a kid and I don't want to hurt you in public. I don't want> > > to> > > > show you a mirror now at this time. You already know what I said> > > is true> > > > or not and no need to wait till 30 May. Don't try to be oversmart.> > > If I> > > > said that you had a bad time, then you have a bad time. I don't> > > wait to> > > > know anything. If you are lucky then it is punyam of your parents.> > > >> > > > I don't need any Upanishadic quotations. What have you studied> from> > > > Upanishads? How many Upanishads have you studied beyond may be> > > googling?> > > >> > > > What do you know about Sankara's advaitam? What have you read on> > > > Darsanams? Don't try to chat with me here after googling on> > > Ramakrishna> > > > or advaitam or Sankara?> > > >> > > > What you know of astrology that you have started advertizing and> > > > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological> > > service to> > > > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?> > > >> > > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that our age> > > > difference is more than your age. If you are still indolent, may> > > be you> > > > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your feet> > > so> > > > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I know a> > > > teacher can come in disguise also.> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , ""> > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,> > > > > Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know why I am> > > > > saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he wouldn't> > > > > taken Sanyasa as early.> > > > > Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree krishna> > > nor> > > > > sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.> > > > > Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the truth,> > > > > whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??We all> > > > > want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs over> > > the> > > > > false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? "Satyameva jayate naanritam> ..> > > > > etc")> > > > > My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old things> > > > > bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait till May> > > > > 30th. (U know why!!)> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ,> "chandra_hari18"> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gaurav,> > > > > >> > > > > > You learn more to understand the meaning of what Mayavadi> > > Sankara> > > > > has> > > > > > said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say Jaganmithya.> > > > > Jagat is> > > > > > the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in> > > surrender.> > > > > For> > > > > > me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not part> > > of> > > > > any> > > > > > mithya.> > > > > >> > > > > > And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your moment> > > > > suitable> > > > > > to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the grace at> > > > > > Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time under> > > Karma> > > > > > instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.> > > > > >> > > > > > Shed your mind of the software that dims your receptivity. You> > > are> > > > > too> > > > > > young, keep an open mind.> > > > > >> > > > > > I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids need> > > thorough> > > > > > scolding. ..> > > > > >> > > > > > I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to> > > perpetuate a> > > > > > wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only trying> > > to> > > > > know> > > > > > the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the experience of> > > > > Cosmos -> > > > > > one has to experience the computed sun in his breathing...If> > > you> > > > > are> > > > > > ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.> > > > > >> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Gaurav> Ghosh"> > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world map, but> > > the> > > > > soul> > > > > > is> > > > > > > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi> > > Shankaracharya> > > > > said in> > > > > > > half sloka, "Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo brahmaiva> > > naapara".> > > > > > >> > > > > > > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the birth of> > > the> > > > > mortal> > > > > > > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta & > shuddha.> > > > > > > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood considering> > > > > that I> > > > > > > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why shall I> > > > > criticise> > > > > > > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha ayanamsha, & > > > > > unless some> > > > > > > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What you noticed frm my website is jus commercialisation of> > > > > Jyotish> > > > > > > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy. You> are> > > > > free to> > > > > > > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always have> > > the> > > > > > liberty> > > > > > > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that right.> > > But> > > > > > before> > > > > > > making any comment, remember that i told you the reason for> > > paid> > > > > > service> > > > > > > through our private mails.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that> > > India "was> > > > > > > > born" on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint exist> > > for> > > > > 1000s> > > > > > > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or suddenly it> > > came> > > > > up in> > > > > > > > the world map???> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared on the> > > world> > > > > map> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate your> > > > > birthday?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic Republic and> > > they> > > > > make> > > > > > > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation from> > > British> > > > > > India> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > Independent India.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand the> > > answers> > > > > please> > > > > > > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you have the> > > > > potential> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you the> > > answer> > > > > now.> > > > > > But> > > > > > > > then you must study and present the pros and cons/merits> of> > > > > the work> > > > > > > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers> > > published> > > > > in> > > > > > > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of> professors.> > > > > Are you> > > > > > > > ready to make an attempt?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

May 5, 2008

Shri Chandrahari ji, and other members,

I am new in the group, i found postings of vinithaji and chandrahari

ji, interspersed with Gaurav's posting. It was good stuff to read

particularly arguments posted by Chandrahariji and vinithaji's.Both

of them are true in many ways. This has clearly enriched this group.

This brought group to new height, which was ably supported by

sreenadhji, and Neelamji.

Chandrahariji has finest commend over communication in this group

(his some of the posting contained very good English communications),

and also has audacity to pronounce his prediction. He has good

command over subject and never beat around bush.

Vinithaji was pretty good in her forwarding the arguments. In real

world, we normally have image of persons based on our personal

experiences with that person. She was correct in her judgement.

Astrology can only be benefitted with presence of learned people like

Chandrahariji, K N Raoji, Sanjay rathji etc. May be we need,

combined efforts from them. Astrology as on date looks indadequate,

as its predictive capability is not what it should be, which makes

many rationalist sceptical about this great subject. This can only be

restored if brilliant minds can be put together on the subject.

However, it was good to witness above discussions.

Regards,

Anirudh

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear gaurv and dear chandra ji

>

> No amnt of arguement will prove a thing

>

> so let gaurav giv a honest chart with a event and let us see

practicaly

> waht happened

>

> i hope every one in grp will particpate ,as astro lovers we r here

to

> reserch and prove ,not i win u lose attitude and we r forgetting

the aim

> of our grp

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " "

> <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> >

> > Dear SHree Chandrahariji,

> >

> > Yes, I will reply to your questions, but only when you shed ego.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > http://gauravastro.150m.com <http://gauravastro.150m.com>

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gaurav,

> > >

> > > Yes, I have the ego and so I was on the look out for a Guru.

Can you

> > > teach me something that you have learned from these Upanishads

so

> that

> > > my ego is dissolved?

> > >

> > > 1. Are you convinced after reading all these that a soul exists?

> > >

> > > 2. Have you developed the discrimination to understand good and

bad?

> > >

> > > 3. Are you convinced that rebirth exists?

> > >

> > > 4. Are you convinced that non-possessivenss is the best virtue?

> > >

> > > 5. Have you understood what is Dharma and Adharma?

> > >

> > > I will be very much obliged if you can enlighten me with your

> > > understanding.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > , " "

> > > gaurav.ghosh@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Shree Chandra Hariji,

> > > > Well said.Its upto you whether you want to hurt me in public

or

> > > > sending me some mails. Seems, that you are more than the

Creator,

> > > > who can say with certainty what exactly is going to happen; an

> > > > astrologer can only indicate, never can say with certainty.

If he

> > > > does so, its nothing but a fake claim & ego. Your ego is

oozing

> from

> > > > each & every word of your mail.

> > > > Yes,you dont want truth, thats why you dont need Upanishadic

> > > > quotations.Though its needless to say the number of

Upanishads I

> > > > have gone through,based on Sankara's commentary, still for

your

> > > > info, I have gone through isha,kena, katha, manduka, mundka,

> > > > taittiriya, prasna, swetaswatara & brihadaranyaka (couldn't

read

> > > > Chhandogya as dint get time ).So, I guess you wont say that I

was

> > > > googling with the Upanishads, neither Gospel of Shree

Ramakrishna

> > > > (If you haven't gone through that book, I have an ebook for

you.

> If

> > > > you want, I would love to send it thru email!!).

> > > > //> What you know of astrology that you have started

advertizing

> and

> > > > > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological

> > > > service to

> > > > > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that

our

> age

> > > > > difference is more than your age. If you are still

indolent, may

> > > > be you

> > > > > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your

> feet

> > > > so

> > > > > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I

know

> a

> > > > > teacher can come in disguise also.

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra hari//

> > > >

> > > > These words reflect nothing but ego, superiority complex,

> arrogance

> > > > & lack of humility. Do you consider that you know everything

of

> > > > astrology????Do you have thorough knowledge of all subjects in

> this

> > > > world & life also???Even if i am a genius, I will never place

you

> > > > below my feet only because of your false ego, & lack of

> humility!!..

> > > > You are a devotee of Bhavani, good , but remember, Bhavani

can you

> > > > pull you down anytime she wants (recollect experience of

Shankara

> in

> > > > Kashi).

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > P.S.-Yes, I will advertise & market my website & collect money

> > > > through paid readings. What does it matter to you???

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gaurav,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is what I call indolence. I don't want to comment

further

> > > > because

> > > > > you are a kid and I don't want to hurt you in public. I

don't

> want

> > > > to

> > > > > show you a mirror now at this time. You already know what I

said

> > > > is true

> > > > > or not and no need to wait till 30 May. Don't try to be

> oversmart.

> > > > If I

> > > > > said that you had a bad time, then you have a bad time. I

don't

> > > > wait to

> > > > > know anything. If you are lucky then it is punyam of your

> parents.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't need any Upanishadic quotations. What have you

studied

> > from

> > > > > Upanishads? How many Upanishads have you studied beyond may

be

> > > > googling?

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you know about Sankara's advaitam? What have you

read on

> > > > > Darsanams? Don't try to chat with me here after googling on

> > > > Ramakrishna

> > > > > or advaitam or Sankara?

> > > > >

> > > > > What you know of astrology that you have started

advertizing and

> > > > > collecting money? Are you competent to give any astrological

> > > > service to

> > > > > people at the age of 23? What do you know about life?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sit at home and learn first. I have already told you that

our

> age

> > > > > difference is more than your age. If you are still

indolent, may

> > > > be you

> > > > > are some genius. Then give me the good fortune to be at your

> feet

> > > > so

> > > > > that I can learn something from you. I am very serious as I

know

> a

> > > > > teacher can come in disguise also.

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra hari

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Gaurav

Ghosh "

> > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> > > > > > Read Gospel of Shree Ramakrishna. You will get to know

why I

> am

> > > > > > saying that. Was shankar mayavadi???I guess no,else he

> wouldn't

> > > > > > taken Sanyasa as early.

> > > > > > Its not I select my time of birth, as neither I am shree

> krishna

> > > > nor

> > > > > > sukdeb, son of Vyasa. I took birth as the almighty wanted.

> > > > > > Do you think that you are the only who wants to know the

> truth,

> > > > > > whereas we all are eager to know everything except truth??

We

> all

> > > > > > want to know the truth as you its the truth that triumphs

over

> > > > the

> > > > > > false (Remember Mundak Upnishad??? " Satyameva jayate

naanritam

> > ..

> > > > > > etc " )

> > > > > > My mind is always open to learn new things, or even old

things

> > > > > > bottled in new glasses, however, from you, I will wait

till

> May

> > > > > > 30th. (U know why!!)

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://gauravastro.150m.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gaurav,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You learn more to understand the meaning of what

Mayavadi

> > > > Sankara

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > said. One who worships Ramakrishna should not say

> Jaganmithya.

> > > > > > Jagat is

> > > > > > > the body of Mahamaya at whose feet Ramakrishna lived in

> > > > surrender.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > me Ramakrishna, Sarada, Bhairavi and Rasmani etc are not

> part

> > > > of

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > mithya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And you did not suddenly fall or appear. You chose your

> moment

> > > > > > suitable

> > > > > > > to enjoy the fruits of your own Karma. Seek out the

grace at

> > > > > > > Dakshinesvar so that if at all you had a fall this time

> under

> > > > Karma

> > > > > > > instead of a choice, next time you can make a choice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shed your mind of the software that dims your

receptivity.

> You

> > > > are

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > young, keep an open mind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I love you like my own kid. And I know sometimes kids

need

> > > > thorough

> > > > > > > scolding. ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't care anything except truth. I am not a fool to

> > > > perpetuate a

> > > > > > > wrong ayanamsa in my name as some people do. I am only

> trying

> > > > to

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > the truth. And the real test of Zodiac is in the

experience

> of

> > > > > > Cosmos -

> > > > > > > one has to experience the computed sun in his

breathing...If

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > ready to learn come, I will make you experience that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Gaurav

> > Ghosh "

> > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shree Chandrahariji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, the mortal body suddenly appeared in the world

map,

> but

> > > > the

> > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > eternal. The world is also mortal thats why Adi

> > > > Shankaracharya

> > > > > > said in

> > > > > > > > half sloka, " Brahma satya, jaganmitthya, jivo

brahmaiva

> > > > naapara " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > FYI....i dont celebrate my birthday!!cause its the

birth

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > > mortal

> > > > > > > > body, not the atman!!Atman is nitya, buddha, mukta &

> > shuddha.

> > > > > > > > Regarding ayanamsha issue, you jus misunderstood

> considering

> > > > > > that I

> > > > > > > > criticised you. You are much older than me, so why

shall I

> > > > > > criticise

> > > > > > > > you??I humbly said that I follow chitrapaksha

ayanamsha, &

> > > > > > unless some

> > > > > > > > circumstances arise, I will continue such practise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you noticed frm my website is jus

commercialisation

> of

> > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > (i.e. offering paid services) & termed it as infancy.

You

> > are

> > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > tell anything & whatever you want to speak. You always

> have

> > > > the

> > > > > > > liberty

> > > > > > > > as Article 21 of Indian COnstitution granted you that

> right.

> > > > But

> > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > making any comment, remember that i told you the

reason

> for

> > > > paid

> > > > > > > service

> > > > > > > > through our private mails.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5)Birth Horoscope--- Many astrologers consider that

> > > > India " was

> > > > > > > > > born " on 15th August, 1947. Tell me onething, dint

exist

> > > > for

> > > > > > 1000s

> > > > > > > > > of years with its rich history & culture??Or

suddenly it

> > > > came

> > > > > > up in

> > > > > > > > > the world map???

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What about you Gaurav? You have suddenly appeared

on the

> > > > world

> > > > > > map

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May be you are also eternal but still you celebrate

your

> > > > > > birthday?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same logic people apply to Indian Democratic

Republic

> and

> > > > they

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > chart for the muhurtha of political transformation

from

> > > > British

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > Independent India.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding other questions you have, to understand

the

> > > > answers

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > have a sound reading in all related areas. Do you

have

> the

> > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > understand ayanamsa issue? If yes, I can give you

the

> > > > answer

> > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > then you must study and present the pros and

cons/merits

> > of

> > > > > > the work

> > > > > > > > > truthfully before the public. I will give you papers

> > > > published

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > scientific journals after refereeing by best of

> > professors.

> > > > > > Are you

> > > > > > > > > ready to make an attempt?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 6, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear neelam ji .

again i must say a wonderful analysis

thanxs

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Sorry there was a typo, pls correct> Venus for family and addition to family and Bhagya, 12L of marital pleasures> and lagna lord and 10L Mercury.> > Regards> > Neelam> > > > 2008/5/5 neelam gupta neelamgupta07:> > > In fact Sreenadh ji. I agree with Chandra hari ji, Mer-Jup-Sat is perfect> > for giving marriage, a long overdue marriage finally performed after hassles> > and much delay.> >> > Saturn from 9H aspects Jupiter, the antardashanath, who is also the 7L of> > marriage and and 4L of domestic bliss, Venus for family and addition to> > family and hagya, 12L of marital pleasures and lagna lord and 10L sun. This> > yoga is also samsaptam. It couldn't have been a better timing. There is a> > perfect connection between MD-AD-PD lords. Mercury with 7L jupiter who> > aspects own house, both aspected by PD nath saturn, whose dispositor is with> > MD-AD lords. All this happening in 3H -- love marriage, opposition from> > relations, intercaste marriage, etc. The person himself might becoming wary> > of everything and wanting to renounce!> >> > Also, Saturn retrograde being 5L and 6L of sanchit and rinanubandhan in> > bhagyasthan, it should've given the native a delayed result of past> > connection only.> >> > Then it connects lagna and 7H in navamsh.> >> > From moon this Saturn is in Mangalya house but also bears the blemish of 8> > th lordship. It aspects 7L mars in 5H of love and emotions. There might> > have been a long and arduous emotional journey to get his lady love.> >> > Chandra Hari ji we have already started exploring the other possibilities.> > But with limited knowledge in hand the progress will be slow and so please> > bear with us and keep guiding us till we are able to form some firm opinion.> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >>

May 7, 2008

Dear members of the forum,

I absolutely agree with Sreenath that the we should

take 360 days a year. It give good results. B) dasha

of vimshottari is callculated on 120, three cycle of

the 360, C) The dasha period of planets has been

calculated on 360.D)the circle is of 360 degrees.No

doublt that the Sun takes 365.25... days to come to

the same point in astronomy,but it is due to the

movement of Sun and Earth.But the circle id of 360

dgrees.My experience supports it.

The riddle of ayanamsha is to be solved. +44 minuts or

+46 minutes is to be seen in experience. The soft ware

has no such facilities for addition.

love and regards.

--- chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> Any reference to 360 days as year by Parasara etc

> are mistaken adoption

> from ancient astronomy. As we see in

> Pancasiddhantika, Vasishta

> discussions, 'days' in fact meant solar degrees and

> not Savana days.

>

> Keep an open mind and study more data will be my

> suggestion.

>

> chandra hari

>

> ,

> " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandra hari ji,

> > I don't know whether 360 days Savana year has

> anything to do with

> > astronomy or not. But -

> > * For sure with practical experience of reading

> charts I know that use

> > of 360 days Savana year gives me better results.

> > * I also know that almost all the ancient astro

> classics (except

> > Phala deepika) supports 360 days Savana year for

> result derivation.

> > Due to both the above reasons, and also because I

> am more interested

> > in results and correct predictions than the logic

> and theory behind, I

> > prefer to use True Ayanamsa varient (46 min more

> than Lahari and NOT

> 44

> > min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year -

> irrespective of

> whether

> > you will call it ignorance or not.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

> " chandra_hari18 "

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelamhji,

> > >

> > > Any use of 360 days for year is simply ignorance

> of the very basics

> of

> > > astronomy and astrology. In sidereal astrology

> (nirayana) only

> choice

> > > for the year is 365.2563624 days. Every graha is

> bound to Sun and

> > solar

> > > revolution is reference and the arc is 360

> degree. Lagnas also take

> > > circle of 360 degrees and not days. In 360 days

> sun travels only 355

> > > degrees and 5 degs are left out. How the

> dasa-bhuktis derived based

> on

> > > 360 degree revolutions of Moon and also

> involving 360 deg revls of

> > > planets, can manifest on an year less by 5

> degrees?

> > >

> > > If anybody is using 360 days, its shows some

> handicap in thinking

> and

> > > reading. Savana year has nothing to do with

> Jyotisham. Only sidereal

> > > solar year has to be used. Some guy in the past

> may have speculated

> > for

> > > 360 days but it is wrong.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > ,

> " neelam gupta "

> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > We are having here some very intense

> discussions between Renu ji

> and

> > > Chandra

> > > > Hari ji. I also feel that there is a point

> worth taking note of...

> > > >

> > > > We are all aware that there are n-number of

> ayanamsha options

> > > prescribed for

> > > > making and reading a birth chart. Every

> software programme also

> > > includes a

> > > > list of ayanamshas for our choice. We as

> learners are always

> > > perplexed,

> > > > first by the enormity of the subject itself

> and then by so many

> > > options

> > > > for....ayanamshas....dashas etc. Raman himself

> was such a great

> name

> > > in

> > > > astrology with an entirely different

> ayanamsha!

> > > >

> > > > We all also know that postmortem

> justifications are very easy to

> > make.

> > > Then

> > > > how do we ascertain what is right. Every

> school of thought will

> most

> > > > vociferously defend its own system. But

> somewhere we all know that

> > > there are

> > > > gaps and loose ends in our understanding. I

> also feel that we

> should

> > > keep

> > > > checking the charts through different

> ayanamshas, at least now we

> > can

> > > see

> > > > both Lahiri's and Chandra Hari's and try to

> arrive at our own

> > > conclusions.

> > > >

> > > > We are having this blind chart exercise where

> no one knows the

> > native.

> > > We

> > > > cannot call it a postmortem study. Let us

> begin our probe with

> this.

> > > > I would request all those who have

> participated to give the

> > ayanamsha

> > > > they've used for analysis. When collating the

> results for

> > correctness

> > > and

> > > > precision, we can get an idea about the

> correctness of ayanamsha

> > used

> > > also.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone who's able to put his finger precisely

> on more than one

> event

> > > of her

> > > > life within one pratyantar, may be considered

> as using fairly

> > correct

> > > > parameters.

> > > >

> > > > Later on, once we know the events, and thus

> agree on natal

> promise,

> > we

> > > can

> > > > ask everyone to delineate the timing of that

> event within one

> > > pratyantar

> > > > only. I can withhold the dates till that time.

> Unbiased views

> about

> > > such

> > > > blind charts may lead to much better

> understanding if we adopt an

> > open

> > > > policy....

> > > >

> > > > I shall appreciate if all the participants

> also submit:

> > > > 1) ayanamsha used

> > > > 2) year length for vimshottri dasha (365.25 or

> 360)

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > 2008/5/4 renunw renunw@:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You write with so much concern and deep

> feeling for a *true

> > cause*.

> > > I

> > > > > get your message.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I cannot understand is why and how K.

> N. Rao ji and his

> books

> > > > > became popular [i presume so...if I am not

> misinformed] if his

> > > research was

> > > > > baseless?? Why do most of the astrologers go

> for Lahiri and not

> > for

> > > > > Chandra Hari ayanamsa...may be in spite of

> knowing deep inside

> > them

> > > that

> > > > > Chandra Hari ayanams is more accurate??? Are

> good people misled

> in

> > > this era

> > > > > of evil and of immorality?

> > > > >

> > > > > In a postmortem, I feel that any ayanamsa

> should be able to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > > past events because one way or the other one

> can find even a

> > remote

> > > > > relationship among planets/dasas, which

> explains everything.

> Hence

> > I

> > > feel

> > > > > that post mortem is like doing a jigsaw

> puzzle. Only a child's

> > > > > play....Hence future predictions would be

> the most appropriate

> > test

> > > to find

> > > > > out which ayanamsa is correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > 'According to ancient precepts an astrologer

> should not touch

> the

> > > chart of

> > > > > a dead person "

> > > > >

> > > > > Ancient precepts reveal some sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Let us reverse the practice and publish our

> failed predictions

> > and

> > > > > analyze them to understand as to what we

> missed in making such

> > wrong

> > > > > analysis "

> > > > >

> > > > > If we fail ..the reason is we are

> blindfolded. Astrology should

> > have

> > > a

> > > > > deeper meaning than just looking out for

> future events in a

> > persons

> > > life.

> > > > > Surely, the ancient wise men did not

> contemplate so hard for

> days

> > > and days

> > > > > just to find a shastra which could reveal

> the future of an

> > > individual???

> > > > > They wanted to teach us something more

> meaningful and I feel

> that

> > is

> > > what

> > > > > we miss here.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> ,

> " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotihsastram, most of the self styled

> champions do not

> > understand

> > > its

> > > > > > depths and the sacrifices that have gone

> into its development.

> > > Mostly

> > > > > > these guys speaks of one Parasara who is

> extolled as Rishi

> > because

> > > he

> > > > > > summarized the Hora and then Varahmihira

> who in known times

> (6th

> > > cent

> > > > > > CE) compiled the knowledge of those days.

> Today as computers

> > have

> > > become

> > > > > > available anyone can speculate on a chart

> without scientific

> > > training

> > > > > > and abuse the subject for making money and

> claiming

> Vachaspati.

> > > Are

> > > > > > they to be taken as idols?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What about the great people Aryabhata,

> Brahmagupta, Lalla,

> > > Munjala,

> > > > > > Haridatta, Paramesvara, Bhaskara-I and II

> .., men of

> > unimaginable

> > > > > > credentials who served the cause of

> Jyotisha through

> painstaking

> > > studies

> > > > > > on astronomy? We don't know about the

> works of their people

> and

> > so

> > > we

> > > > > > have come to imagine that X, Y, Z are

> serving Jyotisha in some

> > > hi-fi

> > > > > > manner. Postmortem studies on 100 charts,

> is it Jyotisham?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there anyone who can predict by

> observing Swara? You can

> see

> > > some

> > > > > > prasna jargon in certain journals. Can any

> Prasna be complete

> > > without

> > > > > > nimitta and Swara? Why the modern

> researchers cannot predict

> the

> > > sex of

> > > > > > the child? With Rasi and mathematics none

> could have predicted

> > it

> > > > > > without the aid of Swara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the birth time? I know that it is

> 'first cry' and is a

> > > tantric

> > > > > > precept. But how it can be proved by

> research?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Computation became easy and it does not

> mean that research in

> > > Jyotisha

> > > > > > is now postmortem. According to ancient

> precepts an astrologer

> > > should

> > > > > > not touch the chart of a dead person. Is

> postmortem the only

> way

> > > for

> > > > > > astrological research? Where lies the true

> phenomenal,

> > operational

> > > basis

> > > > > > of Jyotisha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No research in Jyotisha is possible

> without corresponding

> > studies

> > > in

> > > > > > Yogasastra. But we must remember that grey

> beard and

> > > pseudospiritual

> > > > > > jargon are not the reflections of yogic

> vision in astrological

> > > studies.

> > > > > > It is my request that the group may

> seriously contemplate on

> the

> > > > > > limitations of postmortem studies and the

> possibility of

> > replacing

> > > it

> > > > > > with a live Jyotisham.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, we need living Jyotisham.

> Experiencing the grahas and

> time,

> > > > > > experience of 'daivam'/destiny through the

> Siva svara, the

> > breath

> > > and

> > > > > > the tattvas. Jataka, Prasna, Nimitta and

> Swara must go hand in

> > > hand to

> > > > > > make a living Jyotisham.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mortuary Jyotisham as is being produced in

> some journals must

> be

> > > > > > outrightly rejected as they are cooked up

> stories published

> for

> > > > > > enhancing one's personal prestige. A true

> astrologer should

> not

> > > claim of

> > > > > > any successful predictions in public. Let

> us reverse the

> > practice

> > > and

> > > > > > publish our failed predictions and analyze

> them to understand

> as

> > > to what

> > > > > > we missed in making such wrong analysis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

S.C.Kursija

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Phase-I, Delhi-110052.

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