Example on Bhava Vargottama

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Example of Sri Goel

I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events discussed by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can be well explained using classical dictums on schooling.

Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in different signs.

27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi.

In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani bhukti when the right Zodiac is used.

How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from 4th. How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT?

On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution.

 

30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again in IIT Delhi

Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates Financial Management?

In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in 10th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification.

Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January 1981.

 

5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia Vidya bhavan

Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha – intuition/creativity oriented subject.

 

10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University through competitive examination

Sun_Guru is the period.

Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th lord is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this native. His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the Chandala (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious mind.

Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native.

Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a phase in which he can shed his false wisdom.

Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some severe crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native may have to take "poison" may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu bhukti.

No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger brother-deceased younger brother?

What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of Mother and possibly elder sister too.

Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.

 

Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of the kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle.

 

One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord.

Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru as per the ayanamsa I have given.

Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding Sani bhukti

Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in Guru bhukti.

 

Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like me also are into practice of astrology.

 

chandra hari

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,Namaste,Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with our issue with KNR...Ayanamsha and

dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not capable of touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava

Vargottam or whatever theory…

Most of what you're

thinking about mars, rahu etc is also acceptable.(pls note this)

But to me

27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to

Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi.

looks possible. These are my reasons:

There is of course a

big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and education. Same like 9/10 houses

for father. We have a choice to follow any, but there is another approach which

comes from the karkatwas given in classics.

Jatak Alankar,

Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi, Vidya, Vivek, Prabhav etc to

5H. They do not give 4H for learning.

There appears to be a

middle approach, where 4H relates to education where one does not exercise his

choice and goes about learning like in normal graduate studies. The moment a

person uses his vivek and budhhi, the vidya obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is

thus applicable for professional courses, training courses, management courses,

etc.

This explains a lot of

cases which do fall in the purview of either of the previous two approaches.

In the present case, Saturn is

the 5L, aspecting his own house. The Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10

lords. 10L mercury is strongly posited in 5H showing education related to

profession. Saturn and Mer become atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the civil engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of

bhagya and 10H of profession. Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for

hard work and success through self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms

engineering, and probably he had some options at that time and he chose civil

because of saturn and mars.

In navamsh, there is Capricorn

rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's

sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding

in favour of civil engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with

moon, the mind. Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

Mars rising in D-24

and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between mercury and Saturn in 3rd

and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort giving gains for karma.Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high points. I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter was in capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.

I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has clinched this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to enjoy the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his happiness.

It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy again!RegardsNeelam

2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18:

 

 

 

 

Example of Sri Goel

I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events discussed by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can be well explained using classical dictums on schooling.

Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in different signs.

27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi.

In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani bhukti when the right Zodiac is used.

How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from 4th. How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT?

On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution.

 

30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again in IIT Delhi

Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates Financial Management?

In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in 10th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification.

Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January 1981.

 

5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia Vidya bhavan

Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha – intuition/creativity oriented subject.

 

10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University through competitive examination

Sun_Guru is the period.

Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th lord is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this native. His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the Chandala (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious mind.

Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native.

Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a phase in which he can shed his false wisdom.

Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some severe crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native may have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu bhukti.

No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger brother-deceased younger brother?

What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of Mother and possibly elder sister too.

Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.

 

Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of the kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle.

 

One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord.

Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru as per the ayanamsa I have given.

Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding Sani bhukti

Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in Guru bhukti.

 

Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like me also are into practice of astrology.

 

chandra hari

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra Hari Ji and others,I'm sorry there is a mistake in the writr up. I read the navamsh from 7H, these lines may be corrected please:In navamsh, there is Capricorn

rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's

sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding

in favour of civil engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with

moon, the mind. Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.It is cancer rising which is 11H of D-1. But the aspect of saturn is placed in virgo which is the lagna of D-1. So saturn maintains the capacity to do good for self. He aspects the 5H again and a vargottam mars there. Dashanath mercury is in 10H in mars's sign. Jupiter blesses both saturn and 5H and mars. Saturn forms a good yoga with 4L/11L and exalted venus in 9H. The situation still remains in favour of saturn. Also Saturn and Ketu make engineers.

I'm sorry again for the error.RegardsNeelam.

2008/4/26 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07:

Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,Namaste,Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with our issue with KNR...Ayanamsha and

dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not capable of touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava

Vargottam or whatever theory…

Most of what you're

thinking about mars, rahu etc is also acceptable.(pls note this)

But to me

27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to

Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi.

looks possible. These are my reasons:

There is of course a

big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and education. Same like 9/10 houses

for father. We have a choice to follow any, but there is another approach which

comes from the karkatwas given in classics.

Jatak Alankar,

Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi, Vidya, Vivek, Prabhav etc to

5H. They do not give 4H for learning.

There appears to be a

middle approach, where 4H relates to education where one does not exercise his

choice and goes about learning like in normal graduate studies. The moment a

person uses his vivek and budhhi, the vidya obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is

thus applicable for professional courses, training courses, management courses,

etc.

This explains a lot of

cases which do fall in the purview of either of the previous two approaches.

In the present case, Saturn is

the 5L, aspecting his own house. The Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10

lords. 10L mercury is strongly posited in 5H showing education related to

profession. Saturn and Mer become atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the civil engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of

bhagya and 10H of profession. Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for

hard work and success through self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms

engineering, and probably he had some options at that time and he chose civil

because of saturn and mars.

In navamsh, there is Capricorn

rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's

sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding

in favour of civil engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with

moon, the mind. Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

Mars rising in D-24

and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between mercury and Saturn in 3rd

and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort giving gains for karma.Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high points. I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter was in capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.

I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has clinched this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to enjoy the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his happiness.

It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy again!RegardsNeelam

2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18:

 

 

 

 

Example of Sri Goel

I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events discussed by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can be well explained using classical dictums on schooling.

Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in different signs.

27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi.

In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani bhukti when the right Zodiac is used.

How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from 4th. How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT?

On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution.

 

30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again in IIT Delhi

Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates Financial Management?

In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in 10th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification.

Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January 1981.

 

5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia Vidya bhavan

Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha – intuition/creativity oriented subject.

 

10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University through competitive examination

Sun_Guru is the period.

Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th lord is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this native. His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the Chandala (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious mind.

Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native.

Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a phase in which he can shed his false wisdom.

Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some severe crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native may have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu bhukti.

No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger brother-deceased younger brother?

What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of Mother and possibly elder sister too.

Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.

 

Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of the kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle.

 

One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord.

Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru as per the ayanamsa I have given.

Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding Sani bhukti

Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in Guru bhukti.

 

Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like me also are into practice of astrology.

 

chandra hari

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji, That was a beautiful analysis! Yes, as you have mentioned it is a big contention whether to consider 4th or 5th house. You have given appropriate logic and I believe in the same. When 5th house is taken for technial education, Satrun clearly influences the 5th. Also, in D24 Saturn sits in capricor, which is again 5th in Rasi. I can see a role of Satrun clearly for technical education in this chart. Regards, Krishnaneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Chandra Hari Ji and others,I'm sorry there is a mistake in the writr up. I read the navamsh from 7H, these lines may be corrected please:In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the mind. Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.It is cancer rising which is 11H of D-1. But the aspect of saturn is placed in virgo which is the lagna of D-1. So saturn maintains the capacity to do good for self. He aspects the 5H again and a vargottam mars there. Dashanath mercury is in 10H in mars's sign. Jupiter blesses both saturn and 5H and mars. Saturn forms a good yoga with 4L/11L and exalted venus in

9H. The situation still remains in favour of saturn. Also Saturn and Ketu make engineers. I'm sorry again for the error.RegardsNeelam. 2008/4/26 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 >: Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,Namaste,Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with our issue with KNR... Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not capable of touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or whatever theory… Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also acceptable.(pls note

this) But to me 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi. looks possible. These are my reasons: There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to follow any, but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in classics. Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi, Vidya, Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning. There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education where one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in normal graduate studies. The

moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the vidya obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional courses, training courses, management courses, etc. This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of the previous two approaches. In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is strongly posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer become atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the civil engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of profession. Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success through self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably he had some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and mars. In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising

which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the mind. Also aspected by Jupiter and sun. Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort giving gains for karma. Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high points. I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter was in capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable. I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has clinched this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to enjoy the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his

happiness. It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy again! Regards Neelam 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 >: Example of Sri Goel I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events discussed by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can be well explained using classical

dictums on schooling. Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13 Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in different signs. 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in I.I.T.Delhi. In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from 4th. How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT?

On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again in IIT Delhi Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates Financial Management? In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in 10th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with

Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification. Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January 1981. 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia Vidya bhavan Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha – intuition/creativity oriented subject. 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law

classes in Delhi University through competitive examination Sun_Guru is the period. Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th lord is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this native. His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the Chandala (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious mind. Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. Moon saved the native from mental maladies.

Moon dasa offers him a phase in which he can shed his false wisdom. Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some severe crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native may have to take "poison" may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu bhukti. No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger brother-deceased younger brother? What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and

blessings of Mother and possibly elder sister too. Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used. Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of the kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru as per the ayanamsa I

have given. Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding Sani bhukti Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in Guru bhukti. Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like me also are into practice of astrology. chandra

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Dear Neelamji,

My reply has little delay as I was on tour. Your discussion that puts the Sani_Rahu_Kuja combination above Vidyakaraka and 4th lord Jupiter in facilitating the College education, is the result of habituation to a wrong ayanamsa. You are under the compulsion to defend Saturn not only in this chart but also in many others as the Citrapaksha ayanamsa shifts the natural role of Guru to Saturn in Vimsottari dasa. This is because for many nakshatras, the CP dasa at birth will be less by nearly 1 year.

How do you look at Vidyakaraka Guru in Leo?

What about the other points discussed? It is not scientific to discuss a chart in piecemeal. That is why I tried to touch upon other events and indicated the planetary roles.

I could not see any feedback from Sri Goel.

School and College - formal education falls under 4th house.

chandra hari

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> > Namaste,> > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with our> issue with KNR...> > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not capable of> touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or whatever> theory…> > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also acceptable.(pls> note this)> > But to me> > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> I.I.T.Delhi.> > looks possible.> These are my reasons:> > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and> education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to follow any,> but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> classics.> > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi, Vidya,> Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education where> one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in normal> graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the vidya> obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> courses, training courses, management courses, etc.> > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of the> previous two approaches.> > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The> Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is strongly> posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer become> atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the civil> engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of profession.> Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success through> self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably he had> some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and mars.> > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn> is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A> vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the mind.> Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort giving> gains for karma.> > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high points.> I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter was in> capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.> > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has clinched> this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to enjoy> the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his> happiness.> > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy again!> > Regards> > Neelam> > > > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18:> > > *Example of Sri Goel*> >> > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events discussed> > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can be> > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> >> > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13> >> > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in different> > signs.> >> > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > I.I.T.Delhi.> >> > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani> > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> >> > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a> > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from 4th.> > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> >> > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which rules> > hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *> >> >> >> > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again in> > IIT Delhi> >> > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > Financial Management? *> >> > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in 10thHarmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa).> > Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with> > Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification. *> >> > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January> > 1981. *> >> > * *> >> > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia Vidya> > bhavan> >> > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as he> > is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha –> > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> >> >> >> > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University> > through competitive examination> >> > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> >> > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th lord is> > under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this native.> > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the Chandala> > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious mind.> > *> >> > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has> > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> >> > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a phase> > in which he can shed his false wisdom. *> >> > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some severe> > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native may> > have to take "poison" may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu bhukti.> > *> >> > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger> > brother-deceased younger brother? *> >> > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is> > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of Mother> > and possibly elder sister too.*> >> > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> >> >> >> > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be> > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of the> > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> >> > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon> > is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. *> > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru> > as per the ayanamsa I have given. *> > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may> > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding Sani> > bhukti*> > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in> > Guru bhukti. *> >> > * *> >> > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like me> > also are into practice of astrology. *> >> > * *> >> > *chandra hari*> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

Without referring to 10th house, how do you say that Mars_Saturn in 3rd decided the Civil Eng profession?

For me Navamsa Lagna is Mithuna and 10th Lord Mercury has Mars as the lord of Navamsa. This feature I think explains the Civil Eng.

Dasamsa derived as Rasix 10, in the same logic as Navamsa is Rasix9, yields Sagittarius aspected by Mars as Lagna and Sat goes neecha. Guru takes amsa in Lagna in 10th of Dasamsa i.e Kanya. I think these features explain Civil Eng + Financial Management. Guru takes amsa in 9th of Rasi.

Is not Saturn neecha in Vimsamsa? If not it may be a problem of your ayanamsa i.e. Chitrapaksha. For all his achievements, you need Saturn in place of Jupiter, Vidyakaraka in the royal sign Leo. Guru's dispositor is in the 5th if you need a 5th house connection.

A wrong ayanamsa always leads to corruption of classical principles. A disastrous combination like Sat-Mars-Rahu is getting sanctified only to defend an arbitrary value of ayanamsa.

Let Sri Gopal Goel come out with more details on the native so that we can have some more discussion.

chandra hari

 

 

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chandra Hari Ji and others,> > I'm sorry there is a mistake in the writr up. I read the navamsh from 7H,> these lines may be corrected please:> In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord Saturn> is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A> vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the mind.> Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> > It is cancer rising which is 11H of D-1. But the aspect of saturn is placed> in virgo which is the lagna of D-1. So saturn maintains the capacity to do> good for self. He aspects the 5H again and a vargottam mars there. Dashanath> mercury is in 10H in mars's sign. Jupiter blesses both saturn and 5H and> mars. Saturn forms a good yoga with 4L/11L and exalted venus in 9H. The> situation still remains in favour of saturn. Also Saturn and Ketu make> engineers.> > I'm sorry again for the error.> > Regards> Neelam> .> > 2008/4/26 neelam gupta neelamgupta07:> > > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> >> > Namaste,> >> > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with our> > issue with KNR...> >> > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not capable> > of touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or whatever> > theory…> >> > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also acceptable.(pls> > note this)> >> > But to me> >> > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > I.I.T.Delhi.> >> > looks possible.> > These are my reasons:> >> > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and> > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to follow any,> > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> > classics.> >> > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi, Vidya,> > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> >> > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education where> > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in normal> > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the vidya> > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.> >> > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of the> > previous two approaches.> >> > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The> > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is strongly> > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer become> > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the civil> > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of profession.> > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success through> > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably he had> > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and mars.> >> > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> > Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A> > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the mind.> > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> >> > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort giving> > gains for karma.> >> > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high> > points. I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74> > Jupiter was in capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.> >> > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has> > clinched this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able> > to enjoy the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in> > his happiness.> >> > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy again!> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18:> >> > *Example of Sri Goel*> > >> > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events discussed> > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can be> > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> > >> > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13> > >> > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in> > > different signs.> > >> > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > >> > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani> > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> > >> > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a> > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from 4th.> > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> > >> > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which> > > rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again in> > > IIT Delhi> > >> > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > > Financial Management? *> > >> > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in 10> > > th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial> > > Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu,> > > Financial Management finds justification. *> > >> > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January> > > 1981. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia Vidya> > > bhavan> > >> > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as> > > he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha –> > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University> > > through competitive examination> > >> > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> > >> > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th lord> > > is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this native.> > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the Chandala> > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious mind.> > > *> > >> > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has> > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> > >> > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a> > > phase in which he can shed his false wisdom. *> > >> > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some severe> > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native may> > > have to take "poison" may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu> > > bhukti. *> > >> > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger> > > brother-deceased younger brother? *> > >> > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is> > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of Mother> > > and possibly elder sister too.*> > >> > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> > >> > >> > >> > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be> > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of the> > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> > >> > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as> > > Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord.> > > *> > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of> > > Guru as per the ayanamsa I have given. *> > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may> > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding Sani> > > bhukti*> > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in> > > Guru bhukti. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like me> > > also are into practice of astrology. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *chandra hari*> > > > > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

Based on classical principles, if you look at the situation of Sani versus Guru favoring Civil Eng, Finance Management, Astrology schooling

1. 5th lord Sani is in an enemey house and joined by enemey. Bhava suffers according to classical principles. Rahu in association adds to the affliction.

2. 4th lord Guru - aspects its bhava from Leo and in Bhava trikona.

3. For 4th house and Education, you can refer to any classical work and see how the significations have been enumerated and also how the impact of malefics and benefics in 4th house find description.

4. How do you place Sani as responsible for Civil Eng, FM and astrology?

5. By what logic do you under rate Guru, the Vidyakaraka? Does it has any blemish when placed in Leo in Bhava trikona?

chandra hari

 

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,> > My reply has little delay as I was on tour. Your discussion that puts> the Sani_Rahu_Kuja combination above Vidyakaraka and 4th lord Jupiter in> facilitating the College education, is the result of habituation to a> wrong ayanamsa. You are under the compulsion to defend Saturn not only> in this chart but also in many others as the Citrapaksha ayanamsa shifts> the natural role of Guru to Saturn in Vimsottari dasa. This is because> for many nakshatras, the CP dasa at birth will be less by nearly 1 year.> > How do you look at Vidyakaraka Guru in Leo?> > What about the other points discussed? It is not scientific to discuss a> chart in piecemeal. That is why I tried to touch upon other events and> indicated the planetary roles.> > I could not see any feedback from Sri Goel.> > School and College - formal education falls under 4th house.> > chandra hari> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> >> > Namaste,> >> > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with> our> > issue with KNR...> >> > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not> capable of> > touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or> whatever> > theory…> >> > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also> acceptable.(pls> > note this)> >> > But to me> >> > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > I.I.T.Delhi.> >> > looks possible.> > These are my reasons:> >> > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and> > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to> follow any,> > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> > classics.> >> > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi,> Vidya,> > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> >> > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education> where> > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in> normal> > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the> vidya> > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.> >> > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of> the> > previous two approaches.> >> > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The> > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is> strongly> > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer> become> > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the> civil> > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of> profession.> > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success> through> > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably> he had> > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and> mars.> >> > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> Saturn> > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A> > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the> mind.> > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> >> > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort> giving> > gains for karma.> >> > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high> points.> > I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter> was in> > capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.> >> > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has> clinched> > this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to> enjoy> > the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his> > happiness.> >> > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy> again!> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@:> >> > > *Example of Sri Goel*> > >> > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events> discussed> > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given> can be> > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> > >> > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13> > >> > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in> different> > > signs.> > >> > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > >> > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani> > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> > >> > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling> in a> > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from> 4th.> > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> > >> > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which> rules> > > hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course> again in> > > IIT Delhi> > >> > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > > Financial Management? *> > >> > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in> 10thHarmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa).> > > Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled> with> > > Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification. *> > >> > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after> January> > > 1981. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia> Vidya> > > bhavan> > >> > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be> justified as he> > > is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha> –> > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University> > > through competitive examination> > >> > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> > >> > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th> lord is> > > under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this> native.> > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the> Chandala> > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted> subconscious mind.> > > *> > >> > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has> > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> > >> > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a> phase> > > in which he can shed his false wisdom. *> > >> > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some> severe> > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa.> Native may> > > have to take "poison" may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu> bhukti.> > > *> > >> > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger> > > brother-deceased younger brother? *> > >> > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa> is> > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of> Mother> > > and possibly elder sister too.*> > >> > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> > >> > >> > >> > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be> > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth> of the> > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> > >> > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon> > > is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. *> > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru> > > as per the ayanamsa I have given. *> > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may> > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding> Sani> > > bhukti*> > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in> > > Guru bhukti. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools> like me> > > also are into practice of astrology. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *chandra hari*> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra Hari ji,Namaste,Ayanamsha, and the year (solar or savanna) to be used for VD calculations can send the whole astro-analysis for a toss. Having started with Lahiri's ayanamsha and solar year for dasha calculations, I still feel comfortable with these, and most events are justifiable (obviously on the hindsight!!!).

I have still not been able to form any opinion on these issues. As you know we can't be dogmatic with this fragmented ancient knowledge in hand. We need to experiment and find workable, scientific solutions applicable across the board. With a little experience in hand, I am now ready to test some other well-accepted options…

I raised only one issue in my mail as I wanted only to cross-check about the issue of 4H or 5H for education. In fact, I was not even contesting the dasha/bhukti. It was just a matter of lordships and houses, i.e 4H or 5H.

I still have my reasons which I'm stating below:Jupiter is the karaka for vidya which is learning, knowledge and wisdom. But it is mercury who is the karaka for education. Without having a good mercury and without having any education, a person with good Jupiter placement may have all the above qualities. He might be a skilled farmer which he's learned as part of his family vocation, he might be very knowledgeable and wise by virtue of his experience and good Jupiter.

Jupiter is intellect and mercury is intelligence. A person can have either or both or neither. Learning that goes on with life and its varied experiences is governed by Jupiter. But formal education as in school and college comes under mercury. (be it 2H (initial education) 4H or 5H)

And when one does a specialization, role of various other planets also comes in as venus and mars in fashion designing, Saturn and ketu in engineering, etc. (I am giving very general examples) We all follow Uttarkalamrita for karkatwas. The first signification of mercury is education (vidyadheesh – verse 34) For Jupiter he says in verse 38 – swaguru i.e self learning. Jupiter also gives sound knowledge of sacred texts scriptures etc.

Besides, mercury also rules other related activities like speech, writing, grammer, mathematics, scholar, commerce, astronomy, astrology, etc. So far I've been following these karkatwas. For houses, as I wrote in my last mail also, most of the classics assign vidya and vivek to 5H.

Uttarkalamrita has assigned vidya to both 4H and 5H. But here also discretion and discrimination comes under 5H.Now between the 4th and 5th lie all our learning and education. I would believe that if I am doing self learning, learning as part of growing up and as imparted by the system, it would come under 4H. But if I use my discretion and want to get myself educated for my choice of subject or a training for something I would end up in 5H.

Even regarding astrology, if I am learning by myself, it is 4H affair. If I join an institute to learn this subject it will be directed by 5H. And if somebody forces me to study astrology where will I end up? Any idea??

Incidently, mercury is the karaka for 4H and Jupiter of 5H. For this reason we should be debating in reverse!!RegardsNeelam2008/4/28 chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > Without referring to 10th house, how do you say that Mars_Saturn in 3rd> decided the Civil Eng profession?

> > For me Navamsa Lagna is Mithuna and 10th Lord Mercury has Mars as the lord> of Navamsa. This feature I think explains the Civil Eng. > > Dasamsa derived as Rasix 10, in the same logic as Navamsa is Rasix9, yields

> Sagittarius aspected by Mars as Lagna and Sat goes neecha. Guru takes amsa> in Lagna in 10th of Dasamsa i.e Kanya. I think these features explain Civil> Eng + Financial Management. Guru takes amsa in 9th of Rasi.

> > Is not Saturn neecha in Vimsamsa? If not it may be a problem of your> ayanamsa i.e. Chitrapaksha. For all his achievements, you need Saturn in> place of Jupiter, Vidyakaraka in the royal sign Leo. Guru's dispositor is in

> the 5th if you need a 5th house connection. > > A wrong ayanamsa always leads to corruption of classical principles. A> disastrous combination like Sat-Mars-Rahu is getting sanctified only to

> defend an arbitrary value of ayanamsa. > > Let Sri Gopal Goel come out with more details on the native so that we can> have some more discussion. > > chandra hari > >

> > > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> >> > Dear Chandra Hari Ji and others,> > > > I'm sorry there is a mistake in the writr up. I read the navamsh from 7H,> > these lines may be corrected please:> > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord

> Saturn> > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A> > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the mind.

> > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> > > > It is cancer rising which is 11H of D-1. But the aspect of saturn is> placed> > in virgo which is the lagna of D-1. So saturn maintains the capacity to do

> > good for self. He aspects the 5H again and a vargottam mars there.> Dashanath> > mercury is in 10H in mars's sign. Jupiter blesses both saturn and 5H and> > mars. Saturn forms a good yoga with 4L/11L and exalted venus in 9H. The

> > situation still remains in favour of saturn. Also Saturn and Ketu make> > engineers.> > > > I'm sorry again for the error.> > > > Regards> > Neelam

> > .> > > > 2008/4/26 neelam gupta neelamgupta07:> > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >

> > > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with> our> > > issue with KNR...> > >> > > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not capable

> > > of touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or> whatever> > > theory…> > >> > > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also

> acceptable.(pls> > > note this)> > >> > > But to me> > >> > > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > > I.I.T.Delhi.

> > >> > > looks possible.> > > These are my reasons:> > >> > > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and> > > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to follow

> any,> > > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> > > classics.> > >> > > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi, Vidya,

> > > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> > >> > > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education> where> > > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in normal

> > > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the> vidya> > > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> > > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.

> > >> > > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of> the> > > previous two approaches.> > >> > > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The

> > > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is> strongly> > > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer> become> > > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the civil

> > > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of profession.> > > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success> through> > > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably he

> had> > > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and mars.> > >> > > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> > > Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from

> 5H. A> > > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the> mind.> > > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

> > >> > > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> > > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort giving> > > gains for karma.

> > >> > > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high> > > points. I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74> > > Jupiter was in capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both

> favourable.> > >> > > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has> > > clinched this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been> able

> > > to enjoy the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency> in> > > his happiness.> > >> > > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy again!

> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18:> > >

> > > *Example of Sri Goel*> > > > > >> > > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events> discussed> > > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given can

> be> > > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> > > >> > > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13> > > >> > > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in

> > > > different signs.> > > >> > > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > > >> > > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani

> > > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> > > >> > > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a> > > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from

> 4th.> > > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> > > >> > > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which> > > > rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course again> in> > > > IIT Delhi> > > >

> > > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > > > Financial Management? *> > > >> > > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in

> 10> > > > th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial> > > > Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with Dasamsa Lagna of> Dhanu,> > > > Financial Management finds justification. *

> > > >> > > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after January> > > > 1981. *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia

> Vidya> > > > bhavan> > > >> > > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified as> > > > he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha –

> > > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University

> > > > through competitive examination> > > >> > > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> > > >> > > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th

> lord> > > > is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this> native.> > > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the> Chandala

> > > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted subconscious> mind.> > > > *> > > >> > > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has

> > > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> > > >> > > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a> > > > phase in which he can shed his false wisdom. *

> > > >> > > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some> severe> > > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa. Native> may

> > > > have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu> > > > bhukti. *> > > >> > > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger

> > > > brother-deceased younger brother? *> > > >> > > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa is> > > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of

> Mother> > > > and possibly elder sister too.*> > > >> > > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be> > > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth of> the

> > > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> > > >> > > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as> > > > > Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord.

> > > > *> > > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of> > > > Guru as per the ayanamsa I have given. *> > > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may

> > > > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding> Sani> > > > bhukti*> > > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in

> > > > > Guru bhukti. *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools like> me

> > > > also are into practice of astrology. *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *chandra hari*> > > > > > > >> > >

> > >> >>

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Dear Chandra Hariji,Bhava suffers, I agree but still a lord's aspect is better than no aspect. 5H also has 10L mercury with 12L Sun who disposits jupiter, both in moon's nakshtra aspected by moon in own 11H. All these also give strength to the bhava. He might have to leave his place and go elsewhere for studies. Also shows expenditure on studies, like hostel charges, etc.

Malefics are good in 3H. I've seen some renowned charts with these planets in upchay houses.Mars saturn combinations are always inimical but they've also produced some great people. As it is in the 3H, it adds to the stamina of the person, but takes away the jeev. Similarly, saturn's weakness will also reflect more in deficiency to the jeev of the house, but ists aspect and 3/11 placement from the house will support technical education. All the malefics promote technical education. (now don't ask me why?)

Guru is not for engineers generally. Financial management and astrology yes. For that the period might have been under guru's control.Regardsneelam2008/4/28 chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelamji,

Based on classical principles, if you look at the situation of Sani versus Guru favoring Civil Eng, Finance Management, Astrology schooling

1. 5th lord Sani is in an enemey house and joined by enemey. Bhava suffers according to classical principles. Rahu in association adds to the affliction.

2. 4th lord Guru - aspects its bhava from Leo and in Bhava trikona.

3. For 4th house and Education, you can refer to any classical work and see how the significations have been enumerated and also how the impact of malefics and benefics in 4th house find description.

4. How do you place Sani as responsible for Civil Eng, FM and astrology?

5. By what logic do you under rate Guru, the Vidyakaraka? Does it has any blemish when placed in Leo in Bhava trikona?

chandra hari

 

, " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,

> > My reply has little delay as I was on tour. Your discussion that puts> the Sani_Rahu_Kuja combination above Vidyakaraka and 4th lord Jupiter in> facilitating the College education, is the result of habituation to a

> wrong ayanamsa. You are under the compulsion to defend Saturn not only> in this chart but also in many others as the Citrapaksha ayanamsa shifts> the natural role of Guru to Saturn in Vimsottari dasa. This is because

> for many nakshatras, the CP dasa at birth will be less by nearly 1 year.> > How do you look at Vidyakaraka Guru in Leo?> > What about the other points discussed? It is not scientific to discuss a

> chart in piecemeal. That is why I tried to touch upon other events and> indicated the planetary roles.> > I could not see any feedback from Sri Goel.> > School and College - formal education falls under 4th house.

> > chandra hari> > > > > , " neelam gupta "

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> >> > Namaste,> >> > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with

> our> > issue with KNR...> >> > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not> capable of> > touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or

> whatever> > theory…> >> > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also> acceptable.(pls> > note this)> >> > But to me> >

> > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > I.I.T.Delhi.> >> > looks possible.> > These are my reasons:> >> > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and

> > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to> follow any,> > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> > classics.> >> > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi,

> Vidya,> > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> >> > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education> where> > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in

> normal> > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the> vidya> > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.

> >> > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of> the> > previous two approaches.> >> > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The

> > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is> strongly> > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer> become> > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the

> civil> > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of> profession.> > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success> through> > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably

> he had> > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and> mars.> >> > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> Saturn> > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A

> > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the> mind.> > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

> >> > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort> giving> > gains for karma.

> >> > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high> points.> > I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter> was in> > capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.

> >> > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has> clinched> > this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to> enjoy> > the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his

> > happiness.> >> > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy> again!> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >

> >> > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@:> >> > > *Example of Sri Goel*> > >> > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events> discussed

> > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given> can be> > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> > >> > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

> > >> > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in> different> > > signs.> > >> > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in

> > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > >> > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani> > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> > >> > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling

> in a> > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from> 4th.> > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> > >> > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which

> rules> > > hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course

> again in> > > IIT Delhi> > >> > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > > Financial Management? *> > >> > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in

> 10thHarmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa).> > > Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled> with> > > Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification. *

> > >> > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after> January> > > 1981. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia

> Vidya> > > bhavan> > >> > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be> justified as he> > > is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha

> –> > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University> > > through competitive examination

> > >> > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> > >> > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th> lord is> > > under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this

> native.> > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the> Chandala> > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted> subconscious mind.> > > *

> > >> > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has> > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> > >> > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a

> phase> > > in which he can shed his false wisdom. *> > >> > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some> severe> > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa.

> Native may> > > have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu> bhukti.> > > *> > >> > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger

> > > brother-deceased younger brother? *> > >> > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa> is> > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of

> Mother> > > and possibly elder sister too.*> > >> > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> > >> > >> > >> > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be

> > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth> of the> > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> > >> > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon

> > > is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. *> > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru> > > as per the ayanamsa I have given. *

> > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may> > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding> Sani> > > bhukti*> > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in

> > > Guru bhukti. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools> like me> > > also are into practice of astrology. *

> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *chandra hari*> > >> > >> >>

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Dear Chandra Hari ji,Could you please tell me which zodiac you've used your calculations and also year calculations for VD. Since here's a chart with known events and counter arguments, let me apply both precisely and see the results. Ketu-saturn doesn't seem to give financial management unless and until we twist saturn's arm. I'll try to look at it with an open mind.

By the way, your Jupiter is also afflicted, LL in 12H, retrograde, aspected by highly afflicted saturn. Since Mr. Goel is not taking interest in this thread, if you permit, I'll write to you privately for further discussion.

RegardsNeelam2008/4/28 chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18:

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelamji,

Based on classical principles, if you look at the situation of Sani versus Guru favoring Civil Eng, Finance Management, Astrology schooling

1. 5th lord Sani is in an enemey house and joined by enemey. Bhava suffers according to classical principles. Rahu in association adds to the affliction.

2. 4th lord Guru - aspects its bhava from Leo and in Bhava trikona.

3. For 4th house and Education, you can refer to any classical work and see how the significations have been enumerated and also how the impact of malefics and benefics in 4th house find description.

4. How do you place Sani as responsible for Civil Eng, FM and astrology?

5. By what logic do you under rate Guru, the Vidyakaraka? Does it has any blemish when placed in Leo in Bhava trikona?

chandra hari

 

, " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,

> > My reply has little delay as I was on tour. Your discussion that puts> the Sani_Rahu_Kuja combination above Vidyakaraka and 4th lord Jupiter in> facilitating the College education, is the result of habituation to a

> wrong ayanamsa. You are under the compulsion to defend Saturn not only> in this chart but also in many others as the Citrapaksha ayanamsa shifts> the natural role of Guru to Saturn in Vimsottari dasa. This is because

> for many nakshatras, the CP dasa at birth will be less by nearly 1 year.> > How do you look at Vidyakaraka Guru in Leo?> > What about the other points discussed? It is not scientific to discuss a

> chart in piecemeal. That is why I tried to touch upon other events and> indicated the planetary roles.> > I could not see any feedback from Sri Goel.> > School and College - formal education falls under 4th house.

> > chandra hari> > > > > , " neelam gupta "

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> >> > Namaste,> >> > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with

> our> > issue with KNR...> >> > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not> capable of> > touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or

> whatever> > theory…> >> > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also> acceptable.(pls> > note this)> >> > But to me> >

> > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > I.I.T.Delhi.> >> > looks possible.> > These are my reasons:> >> > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and

> > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to> follow any,> > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> > classics.> >> > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi,

> Vidya,> > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> >> > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education> where> > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in

> normal> > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the> vidya> > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.

> >> > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of> the> > previous two approaches.> >> > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The

> > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is> strongly> > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer> become> > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the

> civil> > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of> profession.> > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success> through> > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably

> he had> > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and> mars.> >> > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> Saturn> > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A

> > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the> mind.> > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

> >> > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort> giving> > gains for karma.

> >> > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high> points.> > I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74 Jupiter> was in> > capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.

> >> > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has> clinched> > this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been able to> enjoy> > the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency in his

> > happiness.> >> > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy> again!> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >

> >> > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@:> >> > > *Example of Sri Goel*> > >> > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events> discussed

> > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given> can be> > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> > >> > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

> > >> > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in> different> > > signs.> > >> > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in

> > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > >> > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani> > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> > >> > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling

> in a> > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from> 4th.> > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> > >> > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which

> rules> > > hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course

> again in> > > IIT Delhi> > >> > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > > Financial Management? *> > >> > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in

> 10thHarmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa).> > > Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled> with> > > Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds justification. *

> > >> > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after> January> > > 1981. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia

> Vidya> > > bhavan> > >> > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be> justified as he> > > is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha

> –> > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> > >> > >> > >> > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University> > > through competitive examination

> > >> > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> > >> > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th> lord is> > > under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this

> native.> > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the> Chandala> > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted> subconscious mind.> > > *

> > >> > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has> > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> > >> > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a

> phase> > > in which he can shed his false wisdom. *> > >> > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some> severe> > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa.

> Native may> > > have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu> bhukti.> > > *> > >> > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger

> > > brother-deceased younger brother? *> > >> > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa> is> > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of

> Mother> > > and possibly elder sister too.*> > >> > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> > >> > >> > >> > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be

> > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth> of the> > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> > >> > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as Moon

> > > is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. *> > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of Guru> > > as per the ayanamsa I have given. *

> > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may> > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding> Sani> > > bhukti*> > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in

> > > Guru bhukti. *> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools> like me> > > also are into practice of astrology. *

> > >> > > * *> > >> > > *chandra hari*> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

I use an ayanamsa 44 kalas more than Chitrapaksha for the Zodiac which I

have named as Muladhara Rahu-Sikhi Chakram.

 

In the new version of Jhora, chandra hari ayanamsa is given wrongly and

it is not to be confused with. Sri Rao is correcting the software. User

defined option may be used as 44 minutes more than Lahiri.

 

My aim is to see the truth and I don't want to perpetuate anything wrong

in my name - especially something like a Zodiac - the most mysterious of

all Yantras. Ayanamsa I have given is based on mathematical evidence

which have been published. Also, my proof against the Lahiri

recommendation is also a published work. But in astrology, scientific

works are not accepted because of the allegiance to wrong tradition.

 

You are welcome to write to me and I can pass on the evidences at my

hand. An open mind invites grace with all and it is my prayer that I

may please be not deluded as to close my mind.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Chandra Hari ji,

>

> Could you please tell me which zodiac you've used your calculations

and also

> year calculations for VD. Since here's a chart with known events and

counter

> arguments, let me apply both precisely and see the results.

Ketu-saturn

> doesn't seem to give financial management unless and until we twist

saturn's

> arm. I'll try to look at it with an open mind.

>

> By the way, your Jupiter is also afflicted, LL in 12H, retrograde,

aspected

> by highly afflicted saturn.

>

> Since Mr. Goel is not taking interest in this thread, if you permit,

I'll

> write to you privately for further discussion.

>

> Regards

>

> Neelam

>

> 2008/4/28 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18:

>

> > Dear Neelamji,

> >

> > Based on classical principles, if you look at the situation of Sani

versus

> > Guru favoring Civil Eng, Finance Management, Astrology schooling

> >

> > 1. 5th lord Sani is in an enemey house and joined by enemey. Bhava

suffers

> > according to classical principles. Rahu in association adds to the

> > affliction.

> >

> > 2. 4th lord Guru - aspects its bhava from Leo and in Bhava trikona.

> >

> > 3. For 4th house and Education, you can refer to any classical work

and

> > see how the significations have been enumerated and also how the

impact of

> > malefics and benefics in 4th house find description.

> >

> > 4. How do you place Sani as responsible for Civil Eng, FM and

astrology?

> >

> > 5. By what logic do you under rate Guru, the Vidyakaraka? Does it

has any

> > blemish when placed in Leo in Bhava trikona?

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> >

> >

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelamji,

> > >

> > > My reply has little delay as I was on tour. Your discussion that

puts

> > > the Sani_Rahu_Kuja combination above Vidyakaraka and 4th lord

Jupiter in

> > > facilitating the College education, is the result of habituation

to a

> > > wrong ayanamsa. You are under the compulsion to defend Saturn not

only

> > > in this chart but also in many others as the Citrapaksha ayanamsa

shifts

> > > the natural role of Guru to Saturn in Vimsottari dasa. This is

because

> > > for many nakshatras, the CP dasa at birth will be less by nearly 1

year.

> > >

> > > How do you look at Vidyakaraka Guru in Leo?

> > >

> > > What about the other points discussed? It is not scientific to

discuss a

> > > chart in piecemeal. That is why I tried to touch upon other events

and

> > > indicated the planetary roles.

> > >

> > > I could not see any feedback from Sri Goel.

> > >

> > > School and College - formal education falls under 4th house.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " neelam gupta "

> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to

do with

> > > our

> > > > issue with KNR...

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not

> > > capable of

> > > > touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or

> > > whatever

> > > > theory…

> > > >

> > > > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also

> > > acceptable.(pls

> > > > note this)

> > > >

> > > > But to me

> > > >

> > > > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course

in

> > > > I.I.T.Delhi.

> > > >

> > > > looks possible.

> > > > These are my reasons:

> > > >

> > > > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses

and

> > > > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to

> > > follow any,

> > > > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas

given in

> > > > classics.

> > > >

> > > > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi,

> > > Vidya,

> > > > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.

> > > >

> > > > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to

education

> > > where

> > > > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in

> > > normal

> > > > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi,

the

> > > vidya

> > > > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for

professional

> > > > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.

> > > >

> > > > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of

either of

> > > the

> > > > previous two approaches.

> > > >

> > > > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house.

The

> > > > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is

> > > strongly

> > > > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn

and Mer

> > > become

> > > > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains

the

> > > civil

> > > > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of

> > > profession.

> > > > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and

success

> > > through

> > > > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and

probably

> > > he had

> > > > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn

and

> > > mars.

> > > >

> > > > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its

lord

> > > Saturn

> > > > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from

5H. A

> > > > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of

civil

> > > > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon,

the

> > > mind.

> > > > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

> > > >

> > > > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange

between

> > > > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing

effort

> > > giving

> > > > gains for karma.

> > > >

> > > > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores

high

> > > points.

> > > > I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74

Jupiter

> > > was in

> > > > capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.

> > > >

> > > > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that

has

> > > clinched

> > > > this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been

able to

> > > enjoy

> > > > the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency

in his

> > > > happiness.

> > > >

> > > > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy

> > > again!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@:

> > > >

> > > > > *Example of Sri Goel*

> > > > >

> > > > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events

> > > discussed

> > > > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events

given

> > > can be

> > > > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *

> > > > >

> > > > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but

in

> > > different

> > > > > signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering

course in

> > > > > I.I.T.Delhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and

not Sani

> > > > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education –

Schooling

> > > in a

> > > > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th

from

> > > 4th.

> > > > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *

> > > > >

> > > > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo

which

> > > rules

> > > > > hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management

course

> > > again in

> > > > > IIT Delhi

> > > > >

> > > > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn

indicates

> > > > > Financial Management? *

> > > > >

> > > > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of

Lagan in

> > > 10thHarmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa).

> > > > > Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and

coupled

> > > with

> > > > > Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds

justification. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after

> > > January

> > > > > 1981. *

> > > > >

> > > > > * *

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in

Bhartia

> > > Vidya

> > > > > bhavan

> > > > >

> > > > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be

> > > justified as he

> > > > > is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like

Jyotisha

> > > –

> > > > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi

University

> > > > > through competitive examination

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn.

5th

> > > lord is

> > > > > under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of

this

> > > native.

> > > > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to

the

> > > Chandala

> > > > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted

> > > subconscious mind.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If

he has

> > > > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers

him a

> > > phase

> > > > > in which he can shed his false wisdom. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of

some

> > > severe

> > > > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa.

> > > Native may

> > > > > have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in

Mars-Rahu

> > > bhukti.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger

> > > > > brother-deceased younger brother? *

> > > > >

> > > > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But

Saptamsa

> > > is

> > > > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and

blessings of

> > > Mother

> > > > > and possibly elder sister too.*

> > > > >

> > > > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are

used.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question

can be

> > > > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of

birth

> > > of the

> > > > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as

Moon

> > > > > is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. *

> > > > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of

Guru

> > > > > as per the ayanamsa I have given. *

> > > > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride

may

> > > > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in

succeeding

> > > Sani

> > > > > bhukti*

> > > > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles

in

> > > > > Guru bhukti. *

> > > > >

> > > > > * *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold

fools

> > > like me

> > > > > also are into practice of astrology. *

> > > > >

> > > > > * *

> > > > >

> > > > > *chandra hari*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

Your discussion on Mars_Sat_Rahu in the 3rd house, may not be correct.

You have not assessed the well placed Jupiter aspecting its own 4th

house of Education in contrast to the afflicted severely Sani. You are

counting on such a Sani's aspect to its house. Don't got by the

impression that malefics are good in 3rd, Upachaya etc.

 

What is the result of 3rd lord Mars joined by Saturn and Rahu? Is it a

good combination?

 

If you have felt it as good in other charts, then there your perceptions

may have been wrong. You have drawn wrong inference as in the present

case.

 

Sani in enemey house with enemey and Rahu. Guru in bossom friend's

house, Leo and aspecting its own house 4th. Leo is a hilly place like

Delhi. In the bhukti of a planet placed in Scorpio, a native may not

join an Institution like IIT, Delhi.

 

See 10th from Moon also. Owned by Mars and fully aspected by Jupiter

from 2nd house. We cannot make so afflicted a Saturn to represent

studies in FM and Jyotisha. Jupiter, Mars and Mercury have to be there.

 

What you say about Budha etc is true for his intelligence. See, if the

chart is of Sri Gopal Goel, what kind of research he is producing in

astrology. 5th house and an afflicted 3rd house i.e. subconscious

matches with the researches that he brings out. Native got saved by

Venus in 6th.

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Chandra Hariji,

>

> Bhava suffers, I agree but still a lord's aspect is better than no

aspect.

> 5H also has 10L mercury with 12L Sun who disposits jupiter, both in

moon's

> nakshtra aspected by moon in own 11H. All these also give strength to

the

> bhava. He might have to leave his place and go elsewhere for studies.

Also

> shows expenditure on studies, like hostel charges, etc.

>

> Malefics are good in 3H. I've seen some renowned charts with these

planets

> in upchay houses.

>

> Mars saturn combinations are always inimical but they've also produced

some

> great people. As it is in the 3H, it adds to the stamina of the

person, but

> takes away the jeev. Similarly, saturn's weakness will also reflect

more in

> deficiency to the jeev of the house, but ists aspect and 3/11

placement from

> the house will support technical education. All the malefics promote

> technical education. (now don't ask me why?)

>

> Guru is not for engineers generally. Financial management and

astrology yes.

> For that the period might have been under guru's control.

>

> Regards

>

> neelam

>

> 2008/4/28 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18:

>

> > Dear Neelamji,

> >

> > Based on classical principles, if you look at the situation of Sani

versus

> > Guru favoring Civil Eng, Finance Management, Astrology schooling

> >

> > 1. 5th lord Sani is in an enemey house and joined by enemey. Bhava

suffers

> > according to classical principles. Rahu in association adds to the

> > affliction.

> >

> > 2. 4th lord Guru - aspects its bhava from Leo and in Bhava trikona.

> >

> > 3. For 4th house and Education, you can refer to any classical work

and

> > see how the significations have been enumerated and also how the

impact of

> > malefics and benefics in 4th house find description.

> >

> > 4. How do you place Sani as responsible for Civil Eng, FM and

astrology?

> >

> > 5. By what logic do you under rate Guru, the Vidyakaraka? Does it

has any

> > blemish when placed in Leo in Bhava trikona?

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> >

> >

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelamji,

> > >

> > > My reply has little delay as I was on tour. Your discussion that

puts

> > > the Sani_Rahu_Kuja combination above Vidyakaraka and 4th lord

Jupiter in

> > > facilitating the College education, is the result of habituation

to a

> > > wrong ayanamsa. You are under the compulsion to defend Saturn not

only

> > > in this chart but also in many others as the Citrapaksha ayanamsa

shifts

> > > the natural role of Guru to Saturn in Vimsottari dasa. This is

because

> > > for many nakshatras, the CP dasa at birth will be less by nearly 1

year.

> > >

> > > How do you look at Vidyakaraka Guru in Leo?

> > >

> > > What about the other points discussed? It is not scientific to

discuss a

> > > chart in piecemeal. That is why I tried to touch upon other events

and

> > > indicated the planetary roles.

> > >

> > > I could not see any feedback from Sri Goel.

> > >

> > > School and College - formal education falls under 4th house.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " neelam gupta "

> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to

do with

> > > our

> > > > issue with KNR...

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not

> > > capable of

> > > > touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or

> > > whatever

> > > > theory…

> > > >

> > > > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also

> > > acceptable.(pls

> > > > note this)

> > > >

> > > > But to me

> > > >

> > > > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course

in

> > > > I.I.T.Delhi.

> > > >

> > > > looks possible.

> > > > These are my reasons:

> > > >

> > > > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses

and

> > > > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to

> > > follow any,

> > > > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas

given in

> > > > classics.

> > > >

> > > > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi,

> > > Vidya,

> > > > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.

> > > >

> > > > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to

education

> > > where

> > > > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in

> > > normal

> > > > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi,

the

> > > vidya

> > > > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for

professional

> > > > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.

> > > >

> > > > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of

either of

> > > the

> > > > previous two approaches.

> > > >

> > > > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house.

The

> > > > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is

> > > strongly

> > > > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn

and Mer

> > > become

> > > > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains

the

> > > civil

> > > > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of

> > > profession.

> > > > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and

success

> > > through

> > > > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and

probably

> > > he had

> > > > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn

and

> > > mars.

> > > >

> > > > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its

lord

> > > Saturn

> > > > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from

5H. A

> > > > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of

civil

> > > > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon,

the

> > > mind.

> > > > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.

> > > >

> > > > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange

between

> > > > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing

effort

> > > giving

> > > > gains for karma.

> > > >

> > > > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores

high

> > > points.

> > > > I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74

Jupiter

> > > was in

> > > > capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both favourable.

> > > >

> > > > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that

has

> > > clinched

> > > > this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been

able to

> > > enjoy

> > > > the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a deficiency

in his

> > > > happiness.

> > > >

> > > > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy

> > > again!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@:

> > > >

> > > > > *Example of Sri Goel*

> > > > >

> > > > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events

> > > discussed

> > > > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events

given

> > > can be

> > > > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *

> > > > >

> > > > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but

in

> > > different

> > > > > signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering

course in

> > > > > I.I.T.Delhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and

not Sani

> > > > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education –

Schooling

> > > in a

> > > > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th

from

> > > 4th.

> > > > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *

> > > > >

> > > > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo

which

> > > rules

> > > > > hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management

course

> > > again in

> > > > > IIT Delhi

> > > > >

> > > > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn

indicates

> > > > > Financial Management? *

> > > > >

> > > > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of

Lagan in

> > > 10thHarmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa).

> > > > > Guru indicates Financial Management. 10th Lord is Budha and

coupled

> > > with

> > > > > Dasamsa Lagna of Dhanu, Financial Management finds

justification. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after

> > > January

> > > > > 1981. *

> > > > >

> > > > > * *

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in

Bhartia

> > > Vidya

> > > > > bhavan

> > > > >

> > > > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be

> > > justified as he

> > > > > is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like

Jyotisha

> > > –

> > > > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi

University

> > > > > through competitive examination

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn.

5th

> > > lord is

> > > > > under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of

this

> > > native.

> > > > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to

the

> > > Chandala

> > > > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted

> > > subconscious mind.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If

he has

> > > > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers

him a

> > > phase

> > > > > in which he can shed his false wisdom. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of

some

> > > severe

> > > > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa.

> > > Native may

> > > > > have to take " poison " may be in the form of medicine in

Mars-Rahu

> > > bhukti.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger

> > > > > brother-deceased younger brother? *

> > > > >

> > > > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But

Saptamsa

> > > is

> > > > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and

blessings of

> > > Mother

> > > > > and possibly elder sister too.*

> > > > >

> > > > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are

used.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question

can be

> > > > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of

birth

> > > of the

> > > > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as

Moon

> > > > > is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord. *

> > > > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of

Guru

> > > > > as per the ayanamsa I have given. *

> > > > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride

may

> > > > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in

succeeding

> > > Sani

> > > > > bhukti*

> > > > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles

in

> > > > > Guru bhukti. *

> > > > >

> > > > > * *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold

fools

> > > like me

> > > > > also are into practice of astrology. *

> > > > >

> > > > > * *

> > > > >

> > > > > *chandra hari*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

I have no difference of opinion on 5th house Vidya, Mercury intelligence etc. My point is school and college education are governed by 4th house. Please note:

1. Mother is the first Guru and a function of 4th house.

2. Native starts learning at Home - 4th house is the first school.

3. Native learns from environment - 4th house represents environment.

4. Schooling in general sense means disciplining and it is trade oriented or training and it can be classified as 'learning in a bigger home of the Society'. School and Colleges are social set ups and the admissions in such places are governed by 4th house.

5. In modern world, every planet represents some form of Vidya. It does not mean that everyone will shine in the same manner in schooling. School and College merits have nothing to do with 5th house. Disciplined students gain success because it is training that need minimal or average 5th house apparatus.

chandra hari

 

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > Namaste,> > Ayanamsha, and the year (solar or savanna) to be used for VD calculations> can send the whole astro-analysis for a toss. Having started with Lahiri's> ayanamsha and solar year for dasha calculations, I still feel comfortable> with these, and most events are justifiable (obviously on the hindsight!!!).> > > I have still not been able to form any opinion on these issues. As you know> we can't be dogmatic with this fragmented ancient knowledge in hand. We need> to experiment and find workable, scientific solutions applicable across the> board. With a little experience in hand, I am now ready to test some other> well-accepted options…> > I raised only one issue in my mail as I wanted only to cross-check about the> issue of 4H or 5H for education. In fact, I was not even contesting the> dasha/bhukti. It was just a matter of lordships and houses, i.e 4H or 5H.> > I still have my reasons which I'm stating below:> > Jupiter is the karaka for vidya which is learning, knowledge and wisdom. But> it is mercury who is the karaka for education. Without having a good mercury> and without having any education, a person with good Jupiter placement may> have all the above qualities. He might be a skilled farmer which he's> learned as part of his family vocation, he might be very knowledgeable and> wise by virtue of his experience and good Jupiter.> > Jupiter is intellect and mercury is intelligence. A person can have either> or both or neither.> Learning that goes on with life and its varied experiences is governed by> Jupiter. But formal education as in school and college comes under mercury.> (be it 2H (initial education) 4H or 5H)> And when one does a specialization, role of various other planets also comes> in as venus and mars in fashion designing, Saturn and ketu in engineering,> etc. (I am giving very general examples)> > We all follow Uttarkalamrita for karkatwas. The first signification of> mercury is education (vidyadheesh – verse 34) For Jupiter he says in verse> 38 – swaguru i.e self learning. Jupiter also gives sound knowledge of sacred> texts scriptures etc.> Besides, mercury also rules other related activities like speech, writing,> grammer, mathematics, scholar, commerce, astronomy, astrology, etc.> > So far I've been following these karkatwas.> > For houses, as I wrote in my last mail also, most of the classics assign> vidya and vivek to 5H.> Uttarkalamrita has assigned vidya to both 4H and 5H. But here also> discretion and discrimination comes under 5H.> > Now between the 4th and 5th lie all our learning and education. I would> believe that if I am doing self learning, learning as part of growing up and> as imparted by the system, it would come under 4H. But if I use my> discretion and want to get myself educated for my choice of subject or a> training for something I would end up in 5H.> Even regarding astrology, if I am learning by myself, it is 4H affair. If I> join an institute to learn this subject it will be directed by 5H. And if> somebody forces me to study astrology where will I end up? Any idea??> > Incidently, mercury is the karaka for 4H and Jupiter of 5H. For this reason> we should be debating in reverse!!> > Regards> > Neelam> > > 2008/4/28 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Neelamji,> >> > Without referring to 10th house, how do you say that Mars_Saturn in 3rd> > decided the Civil Eng profession?> >> > For me Navamsa Lagna is Mithuna and 10th Lord Mercury has Mars as the lord> > of Navamsa. This feature I think explains the Civil Eng.> >> > Dasamsa derived as Rasix 10, in the same logic as Navamsa is Rasix9,> yields> > Sagittarius aspected by Mars as Lagna and Sat goes neecha. Guru takes amsa> > in Lagna in 10th of Dasamsa i.e Kanya. I think these features explain> Civil> > Eng + Financial Management. Guru takes amsa in 9th of Rasi.> >> > Is not Saturn neecha in Vimsamsa? If not it may be a problem of your> > ayanamsa i.e. Chitrapaksha. For all his achievements, you need Saturn in> > place of Jupiter, Vidyakaraka in the royal sign Leo. Guru's dispositor is> in> > the 5th if you need a 5th house connection.> >> > A wrong ayanamsa always leads to corruption of classical principles. A> > disastrous combination like Sat-Mars-Rahu is getting sanctified only to> > defend an arbitrary value of ayanamsa.> >> > Let Sri Gopal Goel come out with more details on the native so that we can> > have some more discussion.> >> > chandra hari> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra Hari Ji and others,> > >> > > I'm sorry there is a mistake in the writr up. I read the navamsh from> 7H,> > > these lines may be corrected please:> > > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> > Saturn> > > is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from 5H. A> > > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the> mind.> > > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> > >> > > It is cancer rising which is 11H of D-1. But the aspect of saturn is> > placed> > > in virgo which is the lagna of D-1. So saturn maintains the capacity to> do> > > good for self. He aspects the 5H again and a vargottam mars there.> > Dashanath> > > mercury is in 10H in mars's sign. Jupiter blesses both saturn and 5H and> > > mars. Saturn forms a good yoga with 4L/11L and exalted venus in 9H. The> > > situation still remains in favour of saturn. Also Saturn and Ketu make> > > engineers.> > >> > > I'm sorry again for the error.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > > .> > >> > > 2008/4/26 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@:> >> >> > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji and others,> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > Please permit me to express my opinion on this one. Nothing to do with> > our> > > > issue with KNR...> > > >> > > > Ayanamsha and dasha calculation are ever debatable, and I am not> capable> > > > of touching them... I am also not defending the Bhava Vargottam or> > whatever> > > > theory…> > > >> > > > Most of what you're thinking about mars, rahu etc is also> > acceptable.(pls> > > > note this)> > > >> > > > But to me> > > >> > > > 27.6.1872 to.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > > >> > > > looks possible.> > > > These are my reasons:> > > >> > > > There is of course a big difference in opinion about 4/5 houses and> > > > education. Same like 9/10 houses for father. We have a choice to> follow> > any,> > > > but there is another approach which comes from the karkatwas given in> > > > classics.> > > >> > > > Jatak Alankar, Phaldeepika, Sarvarth Chintamani, etc assign Dhi,> Vidya,> > > > Vivek, Prabhav etc to 5H. They do not give 4H for learning.> > > >> > > > There appears to be a middle approach, where 4H relates to education> > where> > > > one does not exercise his choice and goes about learning like in> normal> > > > graduate studies. The moment a person uses his vivek and budhhi, the> > vidya> > > > obtained becomes a 5H affair. It is thus applicable for professional> > > > courses, training courses, management courses, etc.> > > >> > > > This explains a lot of cases which do fall in the purview of either of> > the> > > > previous two approaches.> > > >> > > > In the present case, Saturn is the 5L, aspecting his own house. The> > > > Mer-Saturn dasha is yogkarak dasha of 5/10 lords. 10L mercury is> > strongly> > > > posited in 5H showing education related to profession. Saturn and Mer> > become> > > > atimitra in panchadha. Saturn with swagrahi mars also explains the> civil> > > > engineering. This mars also aspects 9H of bhagya and 10H of> profession.> > > > Three malefics in the 3H show his capacity for hard work and success> > through> > > > self efforts. Aspect of ketu again confirms engineering, and probably> he> > had> > > > some options at that time and he chose civil because of saturn and> mars.> > > >> > > > In navamsh, there is Capricorn rising which is 5H of rashi. Its lord> > > > Saturn is in bhagya sthan in mercury's sign. Aspected by Jupiter from> > 5H. A> > > > vargottam mars plays an important role in deciding in favour of civil> > > > engineering as it has aspect of Saturn from 8H and is with moon, the> > mind.> > > > Also aspected by Jupiter and sun.> > > >> > > > Mars rising in D-24 and D-10 reconfirms this. See the exchange between> > > > mercury and Saturn in 3rd and 11th houses of D-10. Showing effort> giving> > > > gains for karma.> > > >> > > > Even going by AV scores, the Sat-mars-rahu combinations scores high> > > > points. I've not tried to calculate the exact period but during 73-74> > > > Jupiter was in capricorn in his 5H and saturn in 10H, thus both> > favourable.> > > >> > > > I think it is the role of saturn and mercury aided by mars that has> > > > clinched this issue in his favour. But i also feel that he hasn't been> > able> > > > to enjoy the fruits of his labour much. There appears to be a> deficiency> > in> > > > his happiness.> > > >> > > > It is just another opinion. Sorry if I've raked in a controversy> again!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 2008/4/26 chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@:> > > >> > > > *Example of Sri Goel*> >> >> > > > >> > > > > *I am giving my comments in blue/italics. Chart and the events> > discussed> > > > > by Sri Goel have nothing to do with Bhava-Vargottama. Events given> can> > be> > > > > well explained using classical dictums on schooling. *> > > > >> > > > > Example:Male -Jan27,1956, 23.00hrs,28n39,77e13> > > > >> > > > > Saturn is 3H in D-1,D-9 AND D-24.Though Bava Vargottama , but in> > > > > different signs.> > > > >> > > > > 27.6.1872to7.3.1975 Mer/Sat-admitted to Civil engineering course in> > > > > I.I.T.Delhi.> > > > >> > > > > *In June 1972, the native was running Budha_Guru bhukti and not Sani> > > > > bhukti when the right Zodiac is used. *> > > > >> > > > > *How Saturn in 3rd house gets related to education – Schooling in a> > > > > discipline? Schooling is a factor of 4th house and 3rd is 12th from> > 4th.> > > > > How Saturn signifies joining a course in Delhi IIT? *> > > > >> > > > > *On the other hand, Jupiter as 4th lord in the royal sign Leo which> > > > > rules hilly places, indicate joining a prestigious institution. *> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 30.1.1980to9.3.1981 Ketu/Sat Joined financial management course> again> > in> > > > > IIT Delhi> > > > >> > > > > *Ketu_Rahu bhukti and Guru bhukti prevailed. How Saturn indicates> > > > > Financial Management? *> > > > >> > > > > *In fact the event occurred in Guru bhukti, Guru is Lord of Lagan in> > 10> > > > > th Harmonic chart (rasix10 = Dasamsa). Guru indicates Financial> > > > > Management. 10th Lord is Budha and coupled with Dasamsa Lagna of> > Dhanu,> > > > > Financial Management finds justification. *> > > > >> > > > > *Native may have bought a new vehicle also at this time after> January> > > > > 1981. *> > > > >> > > > > * *> > > > >> > > > > 5.1.1995-6.3.1998 Venus/Saturn Joined Astrology course in Bhartia> > Vidya> > > > > bhavan> > > > >> > > > > *Period of early 1995 is Venus – Guru. Even Saturn can be justified> as> > > > > he is 5th lord and signifies Mantrasiddhi and topics like Jyotisha –> > > > > intuition/creativity oriented subject. *> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 10..1.2005-23.12.2005-Sun/Sat Joined Law classes in Delhi University> > > > > through competitive examination> > > > >> > > > > *Sun_Guru is the period. *> > > > >> > > > > *Sri Goel is finding merit in a disastrously afflicted Saturn. 5th> > lord> > > > > is under `Peeda' and the same must be reflected in the works of this> > native.> > > > > His choice of the source of grace in this chart from Guru to the> > Chandala> > > > > (Rahu) afflicted Sani reflects the impact of an afflicted> subconscious> > mind.> > > > > *> > > > >> > > > > *Native will have severe ENT troubles in the dasa of Mars. If he has> > > > > younger brothers, they must be inimical to the native. *> > > > >> > > > > *Moon saved the native from mental maladies. Moon dasa offers him a> > > > > phase in which he can shed his false wisdom. *> > > > >> > > > > *Sat_Mars_Rahu joined by Mandi in 3rd house is indicative of some> > severe> > > > > crisis in life at some point of time, especially in Mars dasa.> Native> > may> > > > > have to take "poison" may be in the form of medicine in Mars-Rahu> > > > > bhukti. *> > > > >> > > > > *No younger brother? Or is it a case of ill-placed younger> > > > > brother-deceased younger brother? *> > > > >> > > > > *What about kids? 5th lord is under severe affliction. But Saptamsa> is> > > > > fine and kids are protected by the well placed moon and blessings of> > Mother> > > > > and possibly elder sister too.*> > > > >> > > > > Citra-pakchha Ayanamsa, True Rahu and year of 365.256 are used.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *Sri Goel has not given the specific dates. Ayanamsa question can be> > > > > answered with the date of the marriage of the native, date of birth> of> > the> > > > > kids and the date when native purchased flat/vehicle. *> > > > >> > > > > 1. *One of native's kids must be born in the bhukti of Moon as> >> > > > > Moon is of distinctive role as a well placed Saptamsa lagna lord.> > > > > *> > > > > 2. *Native must have purchased flat/vehicles in his bhuktis of> > > > > Guru as per the ayanamsa I have given. *> > > > > 3. *Native may have got married in Guru bhukti and the bride may> >> > > > > have been from hills and probably a child/mis-caariage in succeeding> > Sani> > > > > bhukti*> > > > > 4. *Native may have taken flat as dowry/bought flats/vehicles in> >> > > > > Guru bhukti. *> > > > >> > > > > * *> > > > >> > > > > *Feed back can help the group to understand that some bold fools> like> > me> > > > > also are into practice of astrology. *> > > > >> > > > > * *> > > > >> > > > > *chandra hari*> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>