Sani in sukha bhava -a chart

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Hare rama krishna

dear grp and learned memebrs ,

 

here is a chart frm my collections and now this lady i lost conct and i met her while i was in south while touring in madras .

 

14th sept 1954 at 3.54 am and born in chennai .

 

if u make her chart u can see that her 4th house has venus and exalted sat .

 

It was in 97 they could able to buy own house ( tho has lot of family properties ) ,it was dasa of venus and antara of jupiter ( also see the parivartan yoga between lagna lord moon and 9th Lord jupiter ) .so in dasa of 4th Lord and in dasa of 9th lord they bought a very beutiful house .But in 98 itself they hav to sell the house and sub dasa was sani ,so sani tho was exalted because of its 8th Lord ship it given this effect .

 

venus being with sat ( who is 7th Lord also ) ,her husband got promotions and status and same time venus (karaka for marriage and marital hapiness ) with a papi done some diffrnce of opinions and even due to transfer they hav to liv seperately also .More over sani is seeing 6th house and 6th Lord jupiter ,so sani has affected family ,sukham and general happiness .

 

over all sani period was not good personaly for her tho liv in all comforts because of exalted status of her and her husband .Also has diseases and problems resulting frm it during mars and rahu sub periods .

 

In short we hav to use rishis words as guiding force and when we anlayse a chart we hav to keep in mind all this dictums along with the total strnght of the chart also think desa ,kaala ,patra ,paristiti ,kula ,gothra principle and also rishis asked us to use our analytical skills as they said an astrologer shud be uhapoha padu same time spiritual and learned in many sastras .

 

i will try to write more on this subjuct when ever my time allows me .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil, Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some learning opportunities to all of us. One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that Satrun is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are different theories about which planet wins and which planet looses, specially when Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus and Satrun are giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It is an interesting tussel between two friends and one is the fourth lord and the other is sitting pretty in the 4th. Regards, Krishnasunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear grp and learned memebrs , here is a chart frm my collections and now this lady i lost conct and i met her while i was in south while touring in madras . 14th sept 1954 at 3.54 am and born in chennai

.. if u make her chart u can see that her 4th house has venus and exalted sat . It was in 97 they could able to buy own house ( tho has lot of family properties ) ,it was dasa of venus and antara of jupiter ( also see the parivartan yoga between lagna lord moon and 9th Lord jupiter ) .so in dasa of 4th Lord and in dasa of 9th lord they bought a very beutiful house .But in 98 itself they hav to sell the house and sub dasa was sani ,so sani tho was exalted because of its 8th Lord ship it given this effect . venus being with sat ( who is 7th Lord also ) ,her husband got promotions and status and same time venus (karaka for marriage and marital hapiness ) with a papi done some diffrnce of opinions and even due to transfer they hav to liv seperately also .More over sani is seeing 6th house and 6th Lord jupiter ,so sani has affected family ,sukham and general happiness . over all sani period was not good personaly for her tho liv in all comforts because of exalted status of her and her husband .Also has diseases and problems resulting frm it during mars and rahu sub periods . In short we hav to use rishis words as guiding force

and when we anlayse a chart we hav to keep in mind all this dictums along with the total strnght of the chart also think desa ,kaala ,patra ,paristiti ,kula ,gothra principle and also rishis asked us to use our analytical skills as they said an astrologer shud be uhapoha padu same time spiritual and learned in many sastras . i will try to write more on this subjuct when ever my time allows me . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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Hare rama krishna

dear krishna

Thanxs for the response .Regrding graha yudhas i was having opinion that since venus is lil bit prathiloma Gati i take if venus ahead it loses in war.

Our main point of discussion was malefics in sukha stana ,yes ur observation is valid ,u can search more charts (offcource this is my one of the favrite subjuct my problem is i am very lazy to record many charts and some times if customer find it i hav their charts then they may strt calling and asks for predictions ,so now afraid to record it or even save it in computer ) and let us try to finalise ( we hav to see charts frm known persons than celebrities as many charts may be wrong which is circulating ,our grp if they r all active then we could hav done very well in subjuct )

 

Even we can see sani is in nakshtra of rahu who is in 6th house and conjoined with mars ,

so we can elaborate this in many ways

 

also if u see Jup degrees its in aramba rasi degrees ,so jup tho vargottam ,it may not hold that much power ,even if its showing in pushkara bhaga

 

thanxs for participating i will look for many examples and try to put in grp ,

I am planning a small write up on 4th house too

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some learning opportunities to all of us.> > One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that Satrun is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are different theories about which planet wins and which planet looses, specially when Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus and Satrun are giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It is an interesting tussel between two friends and one is the fourth lord and the other is sitting pretty in the 4th.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare rama krishna > dear grp and learned memebrs ,> > here is a chart frm my collections and now this lady i lost conct and i met her while i was in south while touring in madras .> > 14th sept 1954 at 3.54 am and born in chennai .> > if u make her chart u can see that her 4th house has venus and exalted sat .> > It was in 97 they could able to buy own house ( tho has lot of family properties ) ,it was dasa of venus and antara of jupiter ( also see the parivartan yoga between lagna lord moon and 9th Lord jupiter ) .so in dasa of 4th Lord and in dasa of 9th lord they bought a very beutiful house .But in 98 itself they hav to sell the house and sub dasa was sani ,so sani tho was exalted because of its 8th Lord ship it given this effect .> > venus being with sat ( who is 7th Lord also ) ,her husband got promotions and status and same time venus (karaka for marriage and marital hapiness ) with a papi done some diffrnce of opinions and even due to transfer they hav to liv seperately also .More over sani is seeing 6th house and 6th Lord jupiter ,so sani has affected family ,sukham and general happiness .> > over all sani period was not good personaly for her tho liv in all comforts because of exalted status of her and her husband .Also has diseases and problems resulting frm it during mars and rahu sub periods .> > In short we hav to use rishis words as guiding force and when we anlayse a chart we hav to keep in mind all this dictums along with the total strnght of the chart also think desa ,kaala ,patra ,paristiti ,kula ,gothra principle and also rishis asked us to use our analytical skills as they said an astrologer shud be uhapoha padu same time spiritual and learned in many sastras .> > i will try to write more on this subjuct when ever my time allows me .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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Dear Sunil, I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general rule that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is only a basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no ambiguity as such. My only contention is when we look at a real horoscope, just looking at this one aspect and giving a prediction is a primitive way of looking at things. One should look at the whole environment judge the strength and weakness, strenght of the house, influence of the dispositor, planets in conjunction etc., before giving a prediction. Of course, I am not trying to teach anything to anyone. I am very junior in this field as compared to most people in this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing else. Regards, Krishna sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear krishna Thanxs for the response .Regrding graha yudhas i was having opinion that since venus is lil bit prathiloma Gati i take if venus ahead it loses in war. Our main point of discussion was malefics in

sukha stana ,yes ur observation is valid ,u can search more charts (offcource this is my one of the favrite subjuct my problem is i am very lazy to record many charts and some times if customer find it i hav their charts then they may strt calling and asks for predictions ,so now afraid to record it or even save it in computer ) and let us try to finalise ( we hav to see charts frm known persons than celebrities as many charts may be wrong which is circulating ,our grp if they r all active then we could hav done very well in subjuct ) Even we can see sani is in nakshtra of rahu who is in 6th house and conjoined with mars , so we can elaborate this in many ways also if u see Jup degrees its in aramba rasi degrees ,so jup tho vargottam ,it may not hold that much power ,even if its showing in pushkara bhaga thanxs for participating i will look for many examples and try to put in grp , I am planning a small write up on 4th house too regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some learning opportunities to all of us.> > One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that Satrun is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are different theories about which planet wins and which planet looses, specially when Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus and Satrun are giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It is an interesting tussel between two friends and one is the fourth lord and the other is sitting pretty in the 4th.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare rama krishna > dear grp and learned memebrs ,> > here is a chart frm my collections and now this lady i lost conct and i met her while i was in south while touring in madras .> > 14th

sept 1954 at 3.54 am and born in chennai .> > if u make her chart u can see that her 4th house has venus and exalted sat .> > It was in 97 they could able to buy own house ( tho has lot of family properties ) ,it was dasa of venus and antara of jupiter ( also see the parivartan yoga between lagna lord moon and 9th Lord jupiter ) .so in dasa of 4th Lord and in dasa of 9th lord they bought a very beutiful house .But in 98 itself they hav to sell the house and sub dasa was sani ,so sani tho was exalted because of its 8th Lord ship it given this effect .> > venus being with sat ( who is 7th Lord also ) ,her husband got promotions and status and same time venus (karaka for marriage and marital hapiness ) with a papi done some diffrnce of opinions and even due to transfer they hav to liv seperately also .More over sani is seeing 6th house and 6th Lord jupiter ,so sani has affected family ,sukham and general happiness .> >

over all sani period was not good personaly for her tho liv in all comforts because of exalted status of her and her husband .Also has diseases and problems resulting frm it during mars and rahu sub periods .> > In short we hav to use rishis words as guiding force and when we anlayse a chart we hav to keep in mind all this dictums along with the total strnght of the chart also think desa ,kaala ,patra ,paristiti ,kula ,gothra principle and also rishis asked us to use our analytical skills as they said an astrologer shud be uhapoha padu same time spiritual and learned in many sastras .> > i will try to write more on this subjuct when ever my time allows me .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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HARE RAMA KRISHNA

dear krishna ji

Still no body is clear frm the confusion created by some evil mongers .Any theory is based on some concepts ,in astrology we hav so many rishis and we hav no authority to change it and every chart is diffrnt and even according kala desha patra paristiti the situaltions may be better and bad

i find in india majority has some house ( forget abt the quality of it ) but i find in western countries every one has car ( again forget abt the quality ) There are ppl who sleeps in car .This is the diffrnce .

Here the main point is some has too much property ,some has bigger power ful jobs ,some has too much money ,some has too much agricultural land ,some has too much houses .

so how we grade tru chart unless we follow according to the principles laid down by rishis and try to study charts ,

here forget abt individual charts and other things .Just think in large canvass.

Without learning generic rules no one can apply modifications or exceptions .

hope we r into more clear road for a good discussion ,then i can come out with more charts and write up ,if u want i will stop this tread also ,also other memebrs if they r ready to giv honest feed back they r welcome .

 

My main goal is keep the astro discussions and its reserch going and try and apply all dictums laid out by rishis and offcourse during course of time some mistake must hav happend in copying or even commenetaries .here i remebr osho rajneesh joke --its says god asked us to celibrate and some ppl misintrepret scriptures and changed it as to celibate .

 

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general rule that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is only a basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no ambiguity as such. My only contention is when we look at a real horoscope, just looking at this one aspect and giving a prediction is a primitive way of looking at things. One should look at the whole environment judge the strength and weakness, strenght of the house, influence of the dispositor, planets in conjunction etc., before giving a prediction. Of course, I am not trying to teach anything to anyone. I am very junior in this field as compared to most people in this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing else.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare rama krishna > dear krishna > Thanxs for the response .Regrding graha yudhas i was having opinion that since venus is lil bit prathiloma Gati i take if venus ahead it loses in war.> Our main point of discussion was malefics in sukha stana ,yes ur observation is valid ,u can search more charts (offcource this is my one of the favrite subjuct my problem is i am very lazy to record many charts and some times if customer find it i hav their charts then they may strt calling and asks for predictions ,so now afraid to record it or even save it in computer ) and let us try to finalise ( we hav to see charts frm known persons than celebrities as many charts may be wrong which is circulating ,our grp if they r all active then we could hav done very well in subjuct ) > > Even we can see sani is in nakshtra of rahu who is in 6th house and conjoined with mars ,> so we can elaborate this in many ways > > also if u see Jup degrees its in aramba rasi degrees ,so jup tho vargottam ,it may not hold that much power ,even if its showing in pushkara bhaga> > thanxs for participating i will look for many examples and try to put in grp ,> I am planning a small write up on 4th house too > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some learning opportunities to all of us.> > > > One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that Satrun is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are different theories about which planet wins and which planet looses, specially when Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus and Satrun are giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It is an interesting tussel between two friends and one is the fourth lord and the other is sitting pretty in the 4th.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna

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Dear Sunil,

 

Difference between the sthoola and sukshma aspects of the bhava is not

getting comprehended by people. 4th house has an external or sthoola

manifestation and internal or sookshma manifestation. 4th lord may

signify the external like land properties, vehicles etc but in enjoying

them, a malefic like Sani placed in the 4th may cause some deficiency.

Such effects can be understood only if the native is closely known to

the astrologer. Apparently everything will be fine by data statistics

but in reality the enjoyment may be hollow...

 

How much domestic happiness is there, who knows. Only the native in his

mind...

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> HARE RAMA KRISHNA

>

> dear krishna ji

>

> Still no body is clear frm the confusion created by some evil mongers

> .Any theory is based on some concepts ,in astrology we hav so many

> rishis and we hav no authority to change it and every chart is diffrnt

> and even according kala desha patra paristiti the situaltions may be

> better and bad

>

> i find in india majority has some house ( forget abt the quality of it

)

> but i find in western countries every one has car ( again forget abt

the

> quality ) There are ppl who sleeps in car .This is the diffrnce .

>

> Here the main point is some has too much property ,some has bigger

power

> ful jobs ,some has too much money ,some has too much agricultural land

> ,some has too much houses .

>

> so how we grade tru chart unless we follow according to the principles

> laid down by rishis and try to study charts ,

>

> here forget abt individual charts and other things .Just think in

large

> canvass.

>

> Without learning generic rules no one can apply modifications or

> exceptions .

>

> hope we r into more clear road for a good discussion ,then i can come

> out with more charts and write up ,if u want i will stop this tread

also

> ,also other memebrs if they r ready to giv honest feed back they r

> welcome .

>

>

>

> My main goal is keep the astro discussions and its reserch going and

try

> and apply all dictums laid out by rishis and offcourse during course

of

> time some mistake must hav happend in copying or even commenetaries

> .here i remebr osho rajneesh joke --its says god asked us to celibrate

> and some ppl misintrepret scriptures and changed it as to celibate .

>

>

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

> , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general

rule

> that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is only a

> basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no ambiguity as

such.

> My only contention is when we look at a real horoscope, just looking

at

> this one aspect and giving a prediction is a primitive way of looking

at

> things. One should look at the whole environment judge the strength

and

> weakness, strenght of the house, influence of the dispositor, planets

in

> conjunction etc., before giving a prediction. Of course, I am not

trying

> to teach anything to anyone. I am very junior in this field as

compared

> to most people in this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing

> else.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> > dear krishna

> > Thanxs for the response .Regrding graha yudhas i was having opinion

> that since venus is lil bit prathiloma Gati i take if venus ahead it

> loses in war.

> > Our main point of discussion was malefics in sukha stana ,yes ur

> observation is valid ,u can search more charts (offcource this is my

one

> of the favrite subjuct my problem is i am very lazy to record many

> charts and some times if customer find it i hav their charts then they

> may strt calling and asks for predictions ,so now afraid to record it

or

> even save it in computer ) and let us try to finalise ( we hav to see

> charts frm known persons than celebrities as many charts may be wrong

> which is circulating ,our grp if they r all active then we could hav

> done very well in subjuct )

> >

> > Even we can see sani is in nakshtra of rahu who is in 6th house and

> conjoined with mars ,

> > so we can elaborate this in many ways

> >

> > also if u see Jup degrees its in aramba rasi degrees ,so jup tho

> vargottam ,it may not hold that much power ,even if its showing in

> pushkara bhaga

> >

> > thanxs for participating i will look for many examples and try to

put

> in grp ,

> > I am planning a small write up on 4th house too

> > regrds sunil nair

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some

learning

> opportunities to all of us.

> > >

> > > One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that

Satrun

> is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are different

> theories about which planet wins and which planet looses, specially

when

> Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus and Satrun are

> giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It is an interesting

> tussel between two friends and one is the fourth lord and the other is

> sitting pretty in the 4th.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil, I have already clarified that there is no problem with the concepts and I am not disagreeing with that. My only point is that applying conspets in isolation for a real chart and making a prediction (without considering the other factors in the chart) is suicidal. If we are lucky, if based on the factors in the chart, what we get out of the basic concept may not undergo any change and in such cases the prediction would be correct. But, that is based on chance and not based on science! Hope I am more clear this time. And, I assure you that this is my last post on this thread :-) Regards, Krishna

[Guest guest]

Dear Respected elders

 

We are indeed discussing an important as far as chart analysis is

considered.

 

Experienced astrologers have given their views.I too agree that

points should not be taken in isolation as Krishnaji has

mentioned.However as Chandra ji has rightly pointed out both the

natural as well as functional nature of the planets will definitely

play their role and have to be considered.Functional role and

beneficial association will definitely modify the effects of natural

role.

 

Thus presence of natural malefic without beneficial aspect in 4th

will cast some effect on mind.

 

From another angle 6th lord in 4th (say venus for dhanu lagna) will

have to play the role of 6th lord,though exalted.Sukha bhavadhipathi

and his strength will modify effetcs,but every role of a planet has

to be ascertained.How and when and to what degree each planet will

influence can be ascertained only through experience and blessings.

 

This may be one reason for the invention of many new theories.

If i cannot evalaute based on rashi chakra ,then i go to some other

chakra,then to 10's of chakras.It does not demand huge intelligence

to understand that ,with so many parameters,any one can explain any

event.But is that our aim?

 

It is not the number of chakras that helps,but understanding of the

planets role from various angles,is what that matters.Here the amshas

attained by planets and lagna also play a signifivant role.However it

is one among the various factors.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I have already clarified that there is no problem with the

concepts and I am not disagreeing with that. My only point is that

applying conspets in isolation for a real chart and making a

prediction (without considering the other factors in the chart) is

suicidal. If we are lucky, if based on the factors in the chart, what

we get out of the basic concept may not undergo any change and in

such cases the prediction would be correct. But, that is based on

chance and not based on science!

>

> Hope I am more clear this time.

>

> And, I assure you that this is my last post on this thread :-)

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> dear krishna ji

> Still no body is clear frm the confusion created by some evil

mongers .Any theory is based on some concepts ,in astrology we hav so

many rishis and we hav no authority to change it and every chart is

diffrnt and even according kala desha patra paristiti the situaltions

may be better and bad

> i find in india majority has some house ( forget abt the quality

of it ) but i find in western countries every one has car ( again

forget abt the quality ) There are ppl who sleeps in car .This is the

diffrnce .

> Here the main point is some has too much property ,some has

bigger power ful jobs ,some has too much money ,some has too much

agricultural land ,some has too much houses .

> so how we grade tru chart unless we follow according to the

principles laid down by rishis and try to study charts ,

> here forget abt individual charts and other things .Just think in

large canvass.

> Without learning generic rules no one can apply modifications or

exceptions .

> hope we r into more clear road for a good discussion ,then i can

come out with more charts and write up ,if u want i will stop this

tread also ,also other memebrs if they r ready to giv honest feed

back they r welcome .

>

> My main goal is keep the astro discussions and its reserch going

and try and apply all dictums laid out by rishis and offcourse during

course of time some mistake must hav happend in copying or even

commenetaries .here i remebr osho rajneesh joke --its says god asked

us to celibrate and some ppl misintrepret scriptures and changed it

as to celibate .

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general

rule that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is

only a basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no

ambiguity as such. My only contention is when we look at a real

horoscope, just looking at this one aspect and giving a prediction is

a primitive way of looking at things. One should look at the whole

environment judge the strength and weakness, strenght of the house,

influence of the dispositor, planets in conjunction etc., before

giving a prediction. Of course, I am not trying to teach anything to

anyone. I am very junior in this field as compared to most people in

this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing else.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna

> > dear krishna

> > Thanxs for the response .Regrding graha yudhas i was having

opinion that since venus is lil bit prathiloma Gati i take if venus

ahead it loses in war.

> > Our main point of discussion was malefics in sukha stana ,yes ur

observation is valid ,u can search more charts (offcource this is my

one of the favrite subjuct my problem is i am very lazy to record

many charts and some times if customer find it i hav their charts

then they may strt calling and asks for predictions ,so now afraid to

record it or even save it in computer ) and let us try to finalise (

we hav to see charts frm known persons than celebrities as many

charts may be wrong which is circulating ,our grp if they r all

active then we could hav done very well in subjuct )

> >

> > Even we can see sani is in nakshtra of rahu who is in 6th house

and conjoined with mars ,

> > so we can elaborate this in many ways

> >

> > also if u see Jup degrees its in aramba rasi degrees ,so jup tho

vargottam ,it may not hold that much power ,even if its showing in

pushkara bhaga

> >

> > thanxs for participating i will look for many examples and try to

put in grp ,

> > I am planning a small write up on 4th house too

> > regrds sunil nair

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some

learning opportunities to all of us.

> > >

> > > One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that

Satrun is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are

different theories about which planet wins and which planet looses,

specially when Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus

and Satrun are giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It

is an interesting tussel between two friends and one is the fourth

lord and the other is sitting pretty in the 4th.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

 

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Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji

 

yes what u said is true .That is why when some one comments abt internal significations of a bhava regrding other nativ chart i used to laugh at myself .Because may b for out side persons its very difficult to know abt family happiness or even real financial position like sokhma bhavs of the other persons unless there was blast and it become known apparently .

 

Also abt reputation of self ,i can say i hav good reputation or no one talks bad abt me .But in realy it may b far away frm truth .

 

thanxs and regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil,> > Difference between the sthoola and sukshma aspects of the bhava is not> getting comprehended by people. 4th house has an external or sthoola> manifestation and internal or sookshma manifestation. 4th lord may> signify the external like land properties, vehicles etc but in enjoying> them, a malefic like Sani placed in the 4th may cause some deficiency.> Such effects can be understood only if the native is closely known to> the astrologer. Apparently everything will be fine by data statistics> but in reality the enjoyment may be hollow...> > How much domestic happiness is there, who knows. Only the native in his> mind...> > chandra hari> > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> >> > dear krishna ji> >> > Still no body is clear frm the confusion created by some evil mongers> > .Any theory is based on some concepts ,in astrology we hav so many> > rishis and we hav no authority to change it and every chart is diffrnt> > and even according kala desha patra paristiti the situaltions may be> > better and bad> >> > i find in india majority has some house ( forget abt the quality of it> )> > but i find in western countries every one has car ( again forget abt> the> > quality ) There are ppl who sleeps in car .This is the diffrnce .> >> > Here the main point is some has too much property ,some has bigger> power> > ful jobs ,some has too much money ,some has too much agricultural land> > ,some has too much houses .> >> > so how we grade tru chart unless we follow according to the principles> > laid down by rishis and try to study charts ,> >> > here forget abt individual charts and other things .Just think in> large> > canvass.> >> > Without learning generic rules no one can apply modifications or> > exceptions .> >> > hope we r into more clear road for a good discussion ,then i can come> > out with more charts and write up ,if u want i will stop this tread> also> > ,also other memebrs if they r ready to giv honest feed back they r> > welcome .> >> >> >> > My main goal is keep the astro discussions and its reserch going and> try> > and apply all dictums laid out by rishis and offcourse during course> of> > time some mistake must hav happend in copying or even commenetaries> > .here i remebr osho rajneesh joke --its says god asked us to celibrate> > and some ppl misintrepret scriptures and changed it as to celibate .> >> >> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general> rule> > that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is only a> > basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no ambiguity as> such.> > My only contention is when we look at a real horoscope, just looking> at> > this one aspect and giving a prediction is a primitive way of looking> at> > things. One should look at the whole environment judge the strength> and> > weakness, strenght of the house, influence of the dispositor, planets> in> > conjunction etc., before giving a prediction. Of course, I am not> trying> > to teach anything to anyone. I am very junior in this field as> compared> > to most people in this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing> > else.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > Hare rama krishna> > > dear krishna> > > Thanxs for the response .Regrding graha yudhas i was having opinion> > that since venus is lil bit prathiloma Gati i take if venus ahead it> > loses in war.> > > Our main point of discussion was malefics in sukha stana ,yes ur> > observation is valid ,u can search more charts (offcource this is my> one> > of the favrite subjuct my problem is i am very lazy to record many> > charts and some times if customer find it i hav their charts then they> > may strt calling and asks for predictions ,so now afraid to record it> or> > even save it in computer ) and let us try to finalise ( we hav to see> > charts frm known persons than celebrities as many charts may be wrong> > which is circulating ,our grp if they r all active then we could hav> > done very well in subjuct )> > >> > > Even we can see sani is in nakshtra of rahu who is in 6th house and> > conjoined with mars ,> > > so we can elaborate this in many ways> > >> > > also if u see Jup degrees its in aramba rasi degrees ,so jup tho> > vargottam ,it may not hold that much power ,even if its showing in> > pushkara bhaga> > >> > > thanxs for participating i will look for many examples and try to> put> > in grp ,> > > I am planning a small write up on 4th house too> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > >> > > > Thanks for sharing this chart. Hope this will provide some> learning> > opportunities to all of us.> > > >> > > > One very important factor about Satrun in this chart is that> Satrun> > is involved in a graha yuddha with Venus. Again, there are different> > theories about which planet wins and which planet looses, specially> when> > Venus is involved. Looking at the results that Venus and Satrun are> > giving, one could arrive at their own conlusions. It is an interesting> > tussel between two friends and one is the fourth lord and the other is> > sitting pretty in the 4th.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> >>

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Hare rama krishna

dear krishna ji

 

yes ,i agree but as a discussion forum we r yet to reach that level ,but individualy the more knowledgeble persons can use it and i hav provided the data itself .

 

Like madam neelam ji is handling the delination of chart tru ashtavarga s and its effects ,so next time we can use it assuming other person also knows it .

 

Also i am of the opinion that what is not promised in chart is difficult to get in D-charts or vargas ( what ever way u call it ) ,so seeing bhava results in the lite of basic foundation laid out by rishis and savants of yore is more important .

here we r just discussing the simple concepts and i hope u will agree it <that is why i am trying to post less controversial or complicated charts ,As in some charts we need to dig more or need to use higher concepts .(atleast u might hav noticed that some times i hold back some concepts ,as either i cant discuss it ,or the discussion s is yet to happen in grp .)

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > I have already clarified that there is no problem with the concepts and I am not disagreeing with that. My only point is that applying conspets in isolation for a real chart and making a prediction (without considering the other factors in the chart) is suicidal. If we are lucky, if based on the factors in the chart, what we get out of the basic concept may not undergo any change and in such cases the prediction would be correct. But, that is based on chance and not based on science!> > Hope I am more clear this time.> > And, I assure you that this is my last post on this thread :-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > dear krishna ji > Still no body is clear frm the confusion created by some evil mongers .Any theory is based on some concepts ,in astrology we hav so many rishis and we hav no authority to change it and every chart is diffrnt and even according kala desha patra paristiti the situaltions may be better and bad > i find in india majority has some house ( forget abt the quality of it ) but i find in western countries every one has car ( again forget abt the quality ) There are ppl who sleeps in car .This is the diffrnce .> Here the main point is some has too much property ,some has bigger power ful jobs ,some has too much money ,some has too much agricultural land ,some has too much houses .> so how we grade tru chart unless we follow according to the principles laid down by rishis and try to study charts ,> here forget abt individual charts and other things .Just think in large canvass.> Without learning generic rules no one can apply modifications or exceptions .> hope we r into more clear road for a good discussion ,then i can come out with more charts and write up ,if u want i will stop this tread also ,also other memebrs if they r ready to giv honest feed back they r welcome .> > My main goal is keep the astro discussions and its reserch going and try and apply all dictums laid out by rishis and offcourse during course of time some mistake must hav happend in copying or even commenetaries .here i remebr osho rajneesh joke --its says god asked us to celibrate and some ppl misintrepret scriptures and changed it as to celibate .> > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general rule that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is only a basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no ambiguity as such. My only contention is when we look at a real horoscope, just looking at this one aspect and giving a prediction is a primitive way of looking at things. One should look at the whole environment judge the strength and weakness, strenght of the house, influence of the dispositor, planets in conjunction etc., before giving a prediction. Of course, I am not trying to teach anything to anyone. I am very junior in this field as compared to most people in this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing else.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna

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Dear Sunil, It is nice to reach agreements after some discussion :-) Looking for more fruitful interaction. Regards, Krishnasunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear krishna ji yes ,i agree but as a discussion forum we r yet to reach that level ,but individualy the more knowledgeble persons can use it and i hav provided the data itself . Like madam neelam ji is handling the delination of chart tru ashtavarga s and its effects ,so next time we can use it assuming other person also knows it . Also i am of the opinion that what is not promised in chart is difficult to get in D-charts or vargas ( what ever way u call it ) ,so seeing bhava results in the lite of basic foundation laid out by rishis and savants of yore is more important . here we r just discussing the simple concepts and i hope u will agree it <that is why i am trying to post less controversial or complicated charts ,As in some charts we need to dig more or need to use higher concepts .(atleast u might hav noticed that some times i hold back some concepts ,as either i cant discuss it ,or the discussion s is yet to happen in grp .) regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > I have already clarified that there is no problem with the concepts and I am not disagreeing with that. My

only point is that applying conspets in isolation for a real chart and making a prediction (without considering the other factors in the chart) is suicidal. If we are lucky, if based on the factors in the chart, what we get out of the basic concept may not undergo any change and in such cases the prediction would be correct. But, that is based on chance and not based on science!> > Hope I am more clear this time.> > And, I assure you that this is my last post on this thread :-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > dear krishna ji > Still no body is clear frm the confusion created by some evil mongers .Any theory is based on some concepts ,in astrology we hav so many rishis and we hav no authority to change it and every chart is diffrnt and even according kala desha patra paristiti the situaltions may be better and bad > i

find in india majority has some house ( forget abt the quality of it ) but i find in western countries every one has car ( again forget abt the quality ) There are ppl who sleeps in car .This is the diffrnce .> Here the main point is some has too much property ,some has bigger power ful jobs ,some has too much money ,some has too much agricultural land ,some has too much houses .> so how we grade tru chart unless we follow according to the principles laid down by rishis and try to study charts ,> here forget abt individual charts and other things .Just think in large canvass.> Without learning generic rules no one can apply modifications or exceptions .> hope we r into more clear road for a good discussion ,then i can come out with more charts and write up ,if u want i will stop this tread also ,also other memebrs if they r ready to giv honest feed back they r welcome .> > My main goal is keep the astro discussions and its

reserch going and try and apply all dictums laid out by rishis and offcourse during course of time some mistake must hav happend in copying or even commenetaries .here i remebr osho rajneesh joke --its says god asked us to celibrate and some ppl misintrepret scriptures and changed it as to celibate .> > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > I would like to make my stand clear. I am not against the general rule that malefics in sukha sthana could create problems. This is only a basic, generic rule. No problems here and there is no ambiguity as such. My only contention is when we look at a real horoscope, just looking at this one aspect and giving a prediction is a primitive way of looking at things. One should look at the whole environment judge

the strength and weakness, strenght of the house, influence of the dispositor, planets in conjunction etc., before giving a prediction. Of course, I am not trying to teach anything to anyone. I am very junior in this field as compared to most people in this group. I am only clarifying my stand. Nothing else.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna

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