Re:Shani in Sukhsthan(4th House)

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Dear Sanjeev ji, I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally. Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good. In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of the dictum. Regards, Krishnapashu_sanju <pashu_sanju wrote: Namaskar,Nairji,I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In one such reply u said following:{if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose theproperty ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .Therelative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .Hewill cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,hisvehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end

up as aruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)Birth data given below:DoB:5/8/1966ToB:16-10 HrsPlace: GwaliorPlease explain.Regards,Sanjeev

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Dear Members,

 

In the stated example, difficult to me to accept the feedback that 6HL &

7HL Saturn in Scorpio aspecting Lagna, has given good result or that the

planet has NOT delivered its intended results.

 

The transit of 6HL & 7HL on Lagna, over LL Sun..... Connection of Natal

Saturn with Transit Saturn..... NO effect of 6HL ??

 

Natal Rahu in 2H.

 

But for being in a public forum, need to reserve the comments.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Krishna ji, That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to that let me present some points - * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it. The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a rheumatic patient".

These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that, Saturn has the nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more correct to the truth. But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house); Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!). How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house? Significator in its own house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land property, the native would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house, and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!). The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met (yes, the exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..) * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum that no planet is malefic or benefit) * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn which is placed in that house) * You can consider the benefic aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above result such as land property)

Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji knows this rules already, as I could guess.) Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sanjeev ji,> > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally. Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of the dictum.> > Regards,> Krishna> > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju wrote:> Namaskar,> Nairji,> I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In > one such reply u said following:> > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The> relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his> vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> Birth data given below:> DoB:5/8/1966> ToB:16-10 Hrs> Place: Gwalior> > Please explain.> Regards,> Sanjeev> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, True, it does not make sense to just to talk about planet 'X' placed in house 'Y' ignoring the rest of the environment as the results could be 180 degree opposite based on the other factors in the chart. We could come up with innumerable examples to demonstrate this. Though Satrun is placed in the 4th house in my chart, I did not face any ill effects of a malefic being placed in the 4th for the following reasons: - Saturn's dispositor is yogakaraka Mars. Mars is placed in a Kendra. - Satrun is aspected by its dispositor yogakaraka Mars - Saturn does not have any aspect of Jupiter or Mercury. But, Satrun is placed in the nakshatra of Mercury. Mercury is in a Kendra closely conjunct Venus. - Saturn himself is yogakaraka fom Moon - Satrun is aspected by Moon, Moon being in its exaltation sign in a

Kendra. - Satrun does not disposit any other planet, hence is not influenced by other planets other than Mars, Moon and Mercury. All these three planets are positively influencing Satrun. Therefore, it is important to look at so many things before arriving at a conclusion whether Satrun acts good or bad in the chart. We can not just go by "Saturn is in 4th, therefore...". It is important to also know what damage Satrun can casue in the 4th house, when it is behaving as a malefic. The problem is that we usually look at only one side of the coin. But, when we toss a coin, it could show its other face as well ;-) Regards, KrishnaSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna ji, That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to that let me present some points - * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it. The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a rheumatic patient". These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that, Saturn has the nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more correct to the truth. But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house); Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!). How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house? Significator in its own house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land

property, the native would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house, and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!). The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met (yes, the exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..) * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum that no planet is malefic or benefit) * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn which is placed in that house) * You can consider the benefic

aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above result such as land property) Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji knows this rules already, as I could guess.) Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sanjeev ji,> > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion written down) and passed them only to their

trusted students orally. Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of the dictum.> > Regards,> Krishna> > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju wrote:> Namaskar,> Nairji,> I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In > one such reply u said following:> > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> property ,money and houses given by father or

he cant enjoy it .The> relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his> vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> Birth data given below:> DoB:5/8/1966> ToB:16-10 Hrs> Place: Gwalior> > Please explain.> Regards,> Sanjeev> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Hare rama krishna

dear krishna

 

u r right but in a wrong way .pls see what was the tread .A simple question ,what sat is sukh stana ( 4th house ) giv ,no chart or no data is given ,so assume it as one planet in one rasi question .

 

so some one come out sani improves the bhava and jup destrys adage which he repeat frm time to time and i hav to comment on it as this 100th time i am asking him to prov or mov frm that than pamparing stupid theorys .

 

so this vishy nair came and as usual his provocation strted -as usual he wants charts .how i can giv chart do u think it is possible ,even any discussion some one starts a discussion suppose debialted planets and its dasa s we write some common applicable treads and its the grp has to interact ,that is the essence of discussion or reserching ,if every thing i hav to do then i can strt like a internet astrology tution centre .

 

Now ur chart u shud think ur sani is 6th Lord also so it will giv that results as who is in 4th house

i dont wanted to elaborate abt it .

A planet in a sign givs 2 effects either supports or reduces the strenght of the chart ,and it givs its effects in its dasa ( dasa is more important ) this is subjuct to to total strenght of the chart ,also u hav to see streght of the lagna ,sun and moon .But this every time is not possible to repeat .

 

so keep in mind what is discussion and what is teaching ,u ppl seems to forget this ,its not ego ,its some one trying to stop the flow of good things with his business mind and trying to block it .

identify first what is ego and what is evil missions

 

so let me retire frm this tread

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > True, it does not make sense to just to talk about planet 'X' placed in house 'Y' ignoring the rest of the environment as the results could be 180 degree opposite based on the other factors in the chart. We could come up with innumerable examples to demonstrate this.> > Though Satrun is placed in the 4th house in my chart, I did not face any ill effects of a malefic being placed in the 4th for the following reasons:> > - Saturn's dispositor is yogakaraka Mars. Mars is placed in a Kendra.> - Satrun is aspected by its dispositor yogakaraka Mars> - Saturn does not have any aspect of Jupiter or Mercury. But, Satrun is placed in the nakshatra of Mercury. Mercury is in a Kendra closely conjunct Venus.> - Saturn himself is yogakaraka fom Moon> - Satrun is aspected by Moon, Moon being in its exaltation sign in a Kendra.> - Satrun does not disposit any other planet, hence is not influenced by other planets other than Mars, Moon and Mercury. All these three planets are positively influencing Satrun.> > Therefore, it is important to look at so many things before arriving at a conclusion whether Satrun acts good or bad in the chart. We can not just go by "Saturn is in 4th, therefore...". It is important to also know what damage Satrun can casue in the 4th house, when it is behaving as a malefic.> > The problem is that we usually look at only one side of the coin. But, when we toss a coin, it could show its other face as well ;-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to that let me present some points - > * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it. The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a rheumatic patient". > These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that, Saturn has the nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more correct to the truth.> But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house); Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!). > How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house? Significator in its own house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land property, the native would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house, and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!). > The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met (yes, the exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..)> * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum that no planet is malefic or benefit)> * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn which is placed in that house)> * You can consider the benefic aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above result such as land property)> Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji knows this rules already, as I could guess.) > Love and regards,> Sreenadh

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Dear Sunil, I respect your views. And, I refrain from responding to the points in your mail as you state that you would like to retire from this thread, again respecting your wish. Regards, Krishnasunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear

krishna u r right but in a wrong way .pls see what was the tread .A simple question ,what sat is sukh stana ( 4th house ) giv ,no chart or no data is given ,so assume it as one planet in one rasi question . so some one come out sani improves the bhava and jup destrys adage which he repeat frm time to time and i hav to comment on it as this 100th time i am asking him to prov or mov frm that than pamparing stupid theorys . so this vishy nair came and as usual his provocation strted -as usual he wants charts .how i can giv chart do u think it is possible

,even any discussion some one starts a discussion suppose debialted planets and its dasa s we write some common applicable treads and its the grp has to interact ,that is the essence of discussion or reserching ,if every thing i hav to do then i can strt like a internet astrology tution centre . Now ur chart u shud think ur sani is 6th Lord also so it will giv that results as who is in 4th house i dont wanted to elaborate abt it . A planet in a sign givs 2 effects either supports or reduces the strenght of the chart ,and it givs its effects in its dasa ( dasa is more important ) this is subjuct to to total strenght of the chart ,also u hav to see streght of the lagna ,sun and moon .But this every time is not possible to

repeat . so keep in mind what is discussion and what is teaching ,u ppl seems to forget this ,its not ego ,its some one trying to stop the flow of good things with his business mind and trying to block it . identify first what is ego and what is evil missions so let me retire frm this tread regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > True, it does not make sense to just to talk about planet 'X' placed in house 'Y' ignoring the rest of the environment as the results could be 180 degree opposite based on the other factors in the chart. We could come up with innumerable examples to demonstrate this.> > Though Satrun is placed in the 4th house in my chart, I did not face any ill effects of a malefic being placed in the 4th for the following reasons:> > - Saturn's dispositor is yogakaraka Mars. Mars is placed in a Kendra.> - Satrun is aspected by its dispositor yogakaraka Mars> - Saturn does not have any aspect of Jupiter or Mercury. But, Satrun is placed in the nakshatra of Mercury. Mercury is in a Kendra closely conjunct Venus.> - Saturn himself is yogakaraka fom Moon> - Satrun is aspected by Moon, Moon being in its exaltation sign in a Kendra.> - Satrun

does not disposit any other planet, hence is not influenced by other planets other than Mars, Moon and Mercury. All these three planets are positively influencing Satrun.> > Therefore, it is important to look at so many things before arriving at a conclusion whether Satrun acts good or bad in the chart. We can not just go by "Saturn is in 4th, therefore...". It is important to also know what damage Satrun can casue in the 4th house, when it is behaving as a malefic.> > The problem is that we usually look at only one side of the coin. But, when we toss a coin, it could show its other face as well ;-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to that let me present some points - > * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or

he cant enjoy it. The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a rheumatic patient". > These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that, Saturn has the nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more correct to the truth.> But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house); Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!). > How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house? Significator in its own

house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land property, the native would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house, and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!). > The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met (yes, the exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..)> * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum that no planet is malefic or benefit)> * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn which is placed in that

house)> * You can consider the benefic aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above result such as land property)> Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji knows this rules already, as I could guess.) > Love and regards,> Sreenadh

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Dear friend,

 

Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And Moon and

Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss of 4th

house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.

Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may have

made the native more spiritual...

 

chandra hari

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sanjeev ji,

>

> I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears

that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They

held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion

written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally.

Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in

writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without

knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the

applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.

>

> In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have

Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th

lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what

are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of

the dictum.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> pashu_sanju pashu_sanju wrote:

> Namaskar,

> Nairji,

> I read this thread in other " group " , which contained urs response. In

> one such reply u said following:

>

> {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the

> property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The

> relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He

> will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his

> vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a

> ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)

>

> I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to

> him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)

> Birth data given below:

> DoB:5/8/1966

> ToB:16-10 Hrs

> Place: Gwalior

>

> Please explain.

> Regards,

> Sanjeev

 

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Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji

 

he informed me that non of this happened in that nativs life .what to say ??If some one is a small success and feel their chart is unique and rest of the life is better ( as he is may b 42 only now ) their what i can say .

 

He has a govt job ,a house and no vehicles ( other than Govt vehicles ) and may be some education this is wat i can read frm his feed back

 

i rejected the mail because its was a sort of fanning the problems in grp ( intentioanl and acting innocent ) and asked him to concntrate only on feed back and askd him resend the mail ,which he did not .

 

Yes when a person is spiritual he can find happiness every where .But we r seeing astrology with some real hallmark of very successful to ordianry successes .So we deal the charts like very good ,good ,medium and bad ( all actual sense it is a material classification ) .

 

i cant say some one sitting without job( not this chart ) and no income and enjoying some gains frm some investment chart is good and still hard working Ratan Tatas chart is bad because he has to work still ,tho he may be rich by 5 crore times frm a purticular person .So we shud understand or make some guide lines for ourselfs .How we rate a chart .Like carat in gold business .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear friend,> > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And Moon and> Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss of 4th> house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.> Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may have> made the native more spiritual...> > chandra hari> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sanjeev ji,> >> > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears> that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They> held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion> written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally.> Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in> writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without> knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the> applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> >> > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have> Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th> lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what> are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of> the dictum.> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > Namaskar,> > Nairji,> > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In> > one such reply u said following:> >> > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The> > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his> > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> >> > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to> > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > Birth data given below:> > DoB:5/8/1966> > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > Place: Gwalior> >> > Please explain.> > Regards,> > Sanjeev> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> it now.> >>

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Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji

 

I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person appraoched me with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .

 

he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to know abt its success .

regds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear friend,> > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And Moon and> Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss of 4th> house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.> Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may have> made the native more spiritual...> > chandra hari> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sanjeev ji,> >> > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears> that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They> held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion> written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally.> Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in> writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without> knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the> applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> >> > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have> Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th> lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what> are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of> the dictum.> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > Namaskar,> > Nairji,> > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In> > one such reply u said following:> >> > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The> > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his> > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> >> > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to> > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > Birth data given below:> > DoB:5/8/1966> > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > Place: Gwalior> >> > Please explain.> > Regards,> > Sanjeev> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> it now.> >>

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Dear Sunil,

 

Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have

suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is possible.

Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e. into

spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice

created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of Guru

and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual guy

seeking grace thru sadhana.

 

But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear chandra ji

>

>

>

> I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person appraoched me

> with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .

>

>

>

> he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to know abt

> its success .

>

> regds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And Moon

and

> > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss of

4th

> > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.

> > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may

have

> > made the native more spiritual...

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjeev ji,

> > >

> > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it

> appears

> > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They

> > held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion

> > written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally.

> > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in

> > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without

> > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the

> > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.

> > >

> > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too

> have

> > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and

7th

> > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see

what

> > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone

of

> > the dictum.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:

> > > Namaskar,

> > > Nairji,

> > > I read this thread in other " group " , which contained urs response.

> In

> > > one such reply u said following:

> > >

> > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the

> > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it

..The

> > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them

..He

> > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house

> ,his

> > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a

> > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)

> > >

> > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened

> to

> > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)

> > > Birth data given below:

> > > DoB:5/8/1966

> > > ToB:16-10 Hrs

> > > Place: Gwalior

> > >

> > > Please explain.

> > > Regards,

> > > Sanjeev

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

> Try

> > it now.

> > >

> >

>

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Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji

 

I am reproducing his post on asking abt spirituality and my replies

Comment on spritual prowess of the native I know. How his sprituallife> will take shape and culminate. Birth data:> DoB:05-08-1966> ToB:16:10 hrs (corrected)> Place : Gwalior (India)>> i will post answer after 2 days.> Regards,

 

Hare rama krishna ,dear sanjeev ji , All the coming dasa means ketu and venus are in kama trikona(3/7/11).And also lagna lord and 5th L has connection with 11th lord (labhesh ) ,so how can he sustain this spirituality .yes he has sanyas yoga ,also i dont know how far is corrected birth time is correct ,In thatcase vimsamsa Lagna lord is also weak ,so see the basic foundation ( aslagna is pivotal point in any varga chart --tho i dont use it ,but udiscussed it so i was using the same )How is his health .and what is he doing ??He must b born in good familyaccording to time of birth .regrds sunil nairom shreem maha laxmai namah .

Next MD of Su will be excellent for him point of view of spritualism.He is a Class I officer in Government of India, and pursues astrologyand spritualism. He had bit of health troble last year.Reagrdssanjeev

this native was born in a good family (good from point of view ofreputation). his grandfather and uncles were renowned doctors, thoughhis father was not high ranking officer. As I mentioned earlier thisnative is class I officer in Govt of India. since he pious and godfearing aand spritually inclined, so he is an honest man. An honestofficer who has been provided with house and vehicle by Govt. Butbank balance, u can guess, not much.Regards,sanjeev

Sunil ji, namaskarI had good discussion on subject with u and enjoyed. Thanks for allof this. I will kkep discussing some more things about otherexamples. Thanks annd regards,Sanjeev

 

 

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil,> > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have> suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is possible. > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e. into> spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice> created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of Guru> and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual guy> seeking grace thru sadhana.> > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle> > chandra hari> > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > dear chandra ji> >> >> >> > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person appraoched me> > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .> >> >> >> > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to know abt> > its success .> >> > regds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

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Dear Krishna ji, The point of most relevance among the points listed by you as per the astrological education and experience I got is - - Saturn is aspected by its depositor (yogakaraka) Mars Note that for Leo Lagna 4th house is Scorpio; Saturn is placed in Scorpio; and Scorpio is aspected Mars, the lord of Scorpio. Thus the House (Scorpio) becomes strong indicating good results such as land, maternal property, continuous livelihood, good reputation in native place etc and this results are supposed come out through the lens of Saturn (because Saturn is the planet placed in that house) and naturally all these good results will manifest especially in Saturn dasa. A natural derivation any good astrologer will make. Whether Mars is yogakaraka or not is irrelevent in the above example. Also note that this comes under the exception number two I mentioned; Because I needed the depositor of Saturn (here Mars) to be strong because that will strengthen the house itself, thus AMPLIFYING the good results of the house. It is the same this (i.e. AMPLICICATION OF THINGS SIGNIFIED BY HOUSE) that happens even if - - house lord is strong - the house is aspected by its owner. - either Jupiter or Mercury aspects the house - the lord of the house is placed in Upachaya house from that house itself. Note the simple fact behind - Amplification of significance of the house due to ANY of the above said reasons indicates that those significance (indicated by the house) should manifest positively THROUGH THE PLANET PLACED IN THAT HOUSE. Whether it is saturn, mars, or Jupiter DOES NOT make much difference. This is one of the prime rules of astrology, which every learned astrologer should know and use. Note: Most of the other reasons you listed are outside the systematic approach of result derivation I was taught and practicing. Remember that, considering numerous parameters will make one confused. He he loss his confidence for making solid predication based on the prime factors he observed (since he would be unable to consider all parameters and the opposing parameters will put him in confusion).

Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > True, it does not make sense to just to talk about planet 'X' placed in house 'Y' ignoring the rest of the environment as the results could be 180 degree opposite based on the other factors in the chart. We could come up with innumerable examples to demonstrate this.> > Though Satrun is placed in the 4th house in my chart, I did not face any ill effects of a malefic being placed in the 4th for the following reasons:> > - Saturn's dispositor is yogakaraka Mars. Mars is placed in a Kendra.> - Satrun is aspected by its dispositor yogakaraka Mars> - Saturn does not have any aspect of Jupiter or Mercury. But, Satrun is placed in the nakshatra of Mercury. Mercury is in a Kendra closely conjunct Venus.> - Saturn himself is yogakaraka fom Moon> - Satrun is aspected by Moon, Moon being in its exaltation sign in a Kendra.> - Satrun does not disposit any other planet, hence is not influenced by other planets other than Mars, Moon and Mercury. All these three planets are positively influencing Satrun.> > Therefore, it is important to look at so many things before arriving at a conclusion whether Satrun acts good or bad in the chart. We can not just go by "Saturn is in 4th, therefore...". It is important to also know what damage Satrun can casue in the 4th house, when it is behaving as a malefic.> > The problem is that we usually look at only one side of the coin. But, when we toss a coin, it could show its other face as well ;-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to that let me present some points - > * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it. The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a rheumatic patient". > These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that, Saturn has the nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more correct to the truth.> But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house); Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!). > How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house? Significator in its own house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land property, the native would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house, and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!). > The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met (yes, the exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..)> * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum that no planet is malefic or benefit)> * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn which is placed in that house)> * You can consider the benefic aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above result such as land property)> Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji knows this rules already, as I could guess.) > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sanjeev ji,> > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally. Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone of the dictum.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > Namaskar,> > Nairji,> > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In > > one such reply u said following:> > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The> > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his> > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > Birth data given below:> > DoB:5/8/1966> > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > Place: Gwalior> > > > Please explain.> > Regards,> > Sanjeev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji

some way mother suffered is showing in the chart

As sani in 4th house as 2nd lord and 3rd Lord a vakri sani dasa at birth .and sub sub period was merc

which is maraka frm lagna for him and frm 4th house and karaka for mother MOON

Now he says contrary to what he posted b4 some months and says non of this is happened .

 

even rahu ( always retro planet is in 2nd to 4th house and karaka for mother ) if rahu also joins moon along with sat and he born in this dasa nativ may be abandoned by family or mother .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil,> > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have> suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is possible. > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e. into> spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice> created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of Guru> and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual guy> seeking grace thru sadhana.> > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle> > chandra hari> > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > dear chandra ji> >> >> >> > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person appraoched me> > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .> >> >> >> > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to know abt> > its success .> >> > regds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear friend,> > >> > > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And Moon> and> > > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss of> 4th> > > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.> > > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may> have> > > made the native more spiritual...> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sanjeev ji,> > > >> > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it> > appears> > > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They> > > held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion> > > written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally.> > > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in> > > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without> > > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the> > > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > > >> > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too> > have> > > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and> 7th> > > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see> what> > > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone> of> > > the dictum.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > > > Namaskar,> > > > Nairji,> > > > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response.> > In> > > > one such reply u said following:> > > >> > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it> .The> > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them> .He> > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house> > ,his> > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> > > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > > >> > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened> > to> > > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > > > Birth data given below:> > > > DoB:5/8/1966> > > > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > > > Place: Gwalior> > > >> > > > Please explain.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sanjeev

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Dear Sunil,

 

About mother, I see the positions as Moon joining Sat. Then Sun of the

native in 8th in Cara rasi. Budha 7th from Moon retro in Cara, Karka

rasi. Even the chart qualifies for a posthumous birth.

 

He may not speak the truth fully because of some 'past' which he may not

like to place in public. Like if his birth was posthumous, now he may

not like to express it.

 

His navamsa has sun and rahu in 8th. He is highly educated and well

placed - I have no doubt. 5th house makes native a hypocrat.

 

 

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear chandra ji

>

> some way mother suffered is showing in the chart

>

> As sani in 4th house as 2nd lord and 3rd Lord a vakri sani dasa at

birth

> .and sub sub period was merc

>

> which is maraka frm lagna for him and frm 4th house and karaka for

> mother MOON

>

> Now he says contrary to what he posted b4 some months and says non of

> this is happened .

>

>

>

> even rahu ( always retro planet is in 2nd to 4th house and karaka for

> mother ) if rahu also joins moon along with sat and he born in this

> dasa nativ may be abandoned by family or mother .

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

>

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have

> > suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is

possible.

> > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e.

> into

> > spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice

> > created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of Guru

> > and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual

guy

> > seeking grace thru sadhana.

> >

> > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear chandra ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person appraoched

me

> > > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to know

abt

> > > its success .

> > >

> > > regds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > >

> > > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear friend,

> > > >

> > > > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And

Moon

> > and

> > > > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss

of

> > 4th

> > > > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.

> > > > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may

> > have

> > > > made the native more spiritual...

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy

> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjeev ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it

> > > appears

> > > > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing.

> They

> > > > held back some key things (or important riders for each

combintion

> > > > written down) and passed them only to their trusted students

> orally.

> > > > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations

given

> in

> > > > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or

without

> > > > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the

> > > > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I

too

> > > have

> > > > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th

and

> > 7th

> > > > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see

> > what

> > > > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable

> zone

> > of

> > > > the dictum.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:

> > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > Nairji,

> > > > > I read this thread in other " group " , which contained urs

> response.

> > > In

> > > > > one such reply u said following:

> > > > >

> > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose

> the

> > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it

> > .The

> > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for

them

> > .He

> > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his

house

> > > ,his

> > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up

as

> a

> > > > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)

> > > > >

> > > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above

> happened

> > > to

> > > > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)

> > > > > Birth data given below:

> > > > > DoB:5/8/1966

> > > > > ToB:16-10 Hrs

> > > > > Place: Gwalior

> > > > >

> > > > > Please explain.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Sanjeev

>

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Dear Sreenadh,

If Sani is 7th lord and placed in 4th aspected by Mars and unaspected by benefics, native may think that he is unaffected by the placement. Same may be true of Mars as 7th lord aspected by Saturn, placed anywhere without the benefic aspects. But there is a prediction that will be 100% true in such cases. We cannot share such precepts in public. It is given in classical texts.

Such combinations have a bad effect on life viewed from a conventional angle.

chandra hari

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Krishna ji,> The point of most relevance among the points listed by you as per the> astrological education and experience I got is -> - Saturn is aspected by its depositor (yogakaraka) Mars> Note that for Leo Lagna 4th house is Scorpio; Saturn is placed in> Scorpio; and Scorpio is aspected Mars, the lord of Scorpio. Thus the> House (Scorpio) becomes strong indicating good results such as land,> maternal property, continuous livelihood, good reputation in native> place etc and this results are supposed come out through the lens of > Saturn (because Saturn is the planet placed in that house) and naturally> all these good results will manifest especially in Saturn dasa. A> natural derivation any good astrologer will make. Whether Mars is> yogakaraka or not is irrelevent in the above example.> Also note that this comes under the exception number two I mentioned;> Because I needed the depositor of Saturn (here Mars) to be strong> because that will strengthen the house itself, thus AMPLIFYING the good> results of the house. It is the same this (i.e. AMPLICICATION OF THINGS> SIGNIFIED BY HOUSE) that happens even if -> - house lord is strong> - the house is aspected by its owner.> - either Jupiter or Mercury aspects the house> - the lord of the house is placed in Upachaya house from that house> itself.> Note the simple fact behind - Amplification of significance of the> house due to ANY of the above said reasons indicates that those> significance (indicated by the house) should manifest positively THROUGH> THE PLANET PLACED IN THAT HOUSE. Whether it is saturn, mars, or Jupiter> DOES NOT make much difference. This is one of the prime rules of> astrology, which every learned astrologer should know and use.> Note: Most of the other reasons you listed are outside the systematic> approach of result derivation I was taught and practicing. Remember> that, considering numerous parameters will make one confused. He he loss> his confidence for making solid predication based on the prime factors> he observed (since he would be unable to consider all parameters and the> opposing parameters will put him in confusion).> > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > True, it does not make sense to just to talk about planet 'X' placed> in house 'Y' ignoring the rest of the environment as the results could> be 180 degree opposite based on the other factors in the chart. We could> come up with innumerable examples to demonstrate this.> >> > Though Satrun is placed in the 4th house in my chart, I did not face> any ill effects of a malefic being placed in the 4th for the following> reasons:> >> > - Saturn's dispositor is yogakaraka Mars. Mars is placed in a Kendra.> > - Satrun is aspected by its dispositor yogakaraka Mars> > - Saturn does not have any aspect of Jupiter or Mercury. But, Satrun> is placed in the nakshatra of Mercury. Mercury is in a Kendra closely> conjunct Venus.> > - Saturn himself is yogakaraka fom Moon> > - Satrun is aspected by Moon, Moon being in its exaltation sign in a> Kendra.> > - Satrun does not disposit any other planet, hence is not influenced> by other planets other than Mars, Moon and Mercury. All these three> planets are positively influencing Satrun.> >> > Therefore, it is important to look at so many things before arriving> at a conclusion whether Satrun acts good or bad in the chart. We can not> just go by "Saturn is in 4th, therefore...". It is important to also> know what damage Satrun can casue in the 4th house, when it is behaving> as a malefic.> >> > The problem is that we usually look at only one side of the coin. But,> when we toss a coin, it could show its other face as well ;-)> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear Krishna ji,> > That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to> that let me present some points -> > * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it. The> relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He> will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his> vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a> rheumatic patient".> > These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A> natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is> posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that, Saturn has the> nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or> anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more> correct to the truth.> > But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as> well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties> like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house);> Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!).> > How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house?> Significator in its own house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus> Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land property, the native> would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house,> and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!).> > The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in> Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above> statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met (yes, the> exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..)> > * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above> significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal> effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum> that no planet is malefic or benefit)> > * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed> should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the> items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn> which is placed in that house)> > * You can consider the benefic aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the> house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above> result such as land property)> > Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above> said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji> knows this rules already, as I could guess.)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sanjeev ji,> > >> > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it> appears that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing.> They held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion> written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally.> Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in> writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without> knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the> applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > >> > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too> have Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and> 7th lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see> what are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable zone> of the dictum.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > > Namaskar,> > > Nairji,> > > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response.> In> > > one such reply u said following:> > >> > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The> > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house> ,his> > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > >> > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened> to> > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > > Birth data given below:> > > DoB:5/8/1966> > > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > > Place: Gwalior> > >> > > Please explain.> > > Regards,> > > Sanjeev> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> Try it now.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Hare rama krishna

Dear chandra ji

With habbit we astrologers use dasa in syncronising with natal positions in chart .I will keep in mind the point rasied by u

 

9th lord in 8th is also showing some nirbahgya yoga or even adoptions if other indications in charts favrs it .But nirbhagya yoga in sun dasa which is for sure he will enjoy it along with sanis indications .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil,> > About mother, I see the positions as Moon joining Sat. Then Sun of the> native in 8th in Cara rasi. Budha 7th from Moon retro in Cara, Karka> rasi. Even the chart qualifies for a posthumous birth.> > He may not speak the truth fully because of some 'past' which he may not> like to place in public. Like if his birth was posthumous, now he may> not like to express it.> > His navamsa has sun and rahu in 8th. He is highly educated and well> placed - I have no doubt. 5th house makes native a hypocrat.> > > > chandra hari> > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna> >> > dear chandra ji> >> > some way mother suffered is showing in the chart> >> > As sani in 4th house as 2nd lord and 3rd Lord a vakri sani dasa at> birth> > .and sub sub period was merc> >> > which is maraka frm lagna for him and frm 4th house and karaka for> > mother MOON> >> > Now he says contrary to what he posted b4 some months and says non of> > this is happened .> >> >> >> > even rahu ( always retro planet is in 2nd to 4th house and karaka for> > mother ) if rahu also joins moon along with sat and he born in this> > dasa nativ may be abandoned by family or mother .> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have> > > suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is> possible.> > > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e.> > into> > > spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice> > > created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of Guru> > > and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual> guy> > > seeking grace thru sadhana.> > >> > > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear chandra ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person appraoched> me> > > > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to know> abt> > > > its success .> > > >> > > > regds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear friend,> > > > >> > > > > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And> Moon> > > and> > > > > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any loss> of> > > 4th> > > > > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted Yoga.> > > > > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering may> > > have> > > > > made the native more spiritual...> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sanjeev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it> > > > appears> > > > > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing.> > They> > > > > held back some key things (or important riders for each> combintion> > > > > written down) and passed them only to their trusted students> > orally.> > > > > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations> given> > in> > > > > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or> without> > > > > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the> > > > > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > > > > >> > > > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I> too> > > > have> > > > > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th> and> > > 7th> > > > > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see> > > what> > > > > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable> > zone> > > of> > > > > the dictum.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > Nairji,> > > > > > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs> > response.> > > > In> > > > > > one such reply u said following:> > > > > >> > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose> > the> > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it> > > .The> > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for> them> > > .He> > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his> house> > > > ,his> > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up> as> > a> > > > > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > > > > >> > > > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above> > happened> > > > to> > > > > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > > > > > Birth data given below:> > > > > > DoB:5/8/1966> > > > > > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > > > > > Place: Gwalior> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sanjeev> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, Thanks for the details. Yes, I agree with you that the house lord aspecting the house is the prime consideration. I highlighted other factors to indicate that there are no other negatives associate with the combination. Everything you have mentioned is true in my case except I did not get any maternal property. Not that I was looking for it :-) I just wanted to let you know the reality vis-a-vis your reading. I have my own house. Good reputation in family and friends circles as well as in the place I worked. Though I quit my job three years back, by God's grace, there is no problem taking care of my family needs, so far. I have crossed the halfway mark in Sat MD. Still a long way to go. Hoping that things will be the same till I finish Sat MD. But, who knows for sure? In any case, I am happy to note that my own past karmas decide my

current and future state of affairs, whether it is good or bad. No one else has a chance to interfere, even if someone wants to. That is the beauty of life! Regards, Krishna Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna ji, The point of most relevance among the points listed by you as per the astrological education and experience I got is

- - Saturn is aspected by its depositor (yogakaraka) Mars Note that for Leo Lagna 4th house is Scorpio; Saturn is placed in Scorpio; and Scorpio is aspected Mars, the lord of Scorpio. Thus the House (Scorpio) becomes strong indicating good results such as land, maternal property, continuous livelihood, good reputation in native place etc and this results are supposed come out through the lens of Saturn (because Saturn is the planet placed in that house) and naturally all these good results will manifest especially in Saturn dasa. A natural derivation any good astrologer will make. Whether Mars is yogakaraka or not is irrelevent in the above example. Also note that this comes under the exception number two I mentioned; Because I needed the depositor of Saturn (here Mars) to be strong because that will strengthen the house itself, thus AMPLIFYING the good results of

the house. It is the same this (i.e. AMPLICICATION OF THINGS SIGNIFIED BY HOUSE) that happens even if - - house lord is strong - the house is aspected by its owner. - either Jupiter or Mercury aspects the house - the lord of the house is placed in Upachaya house from that house itself. Note the simple fact behind - Amplification of significance of the house due to ANY of the above said reasons indicates that those significance (indicated by the house) should manifest positively THROUGH THE PLANET PLACED IN THAT HOUSE. Whether it is saturn, mars, or Jupiter DOES NOT make much difference. This is one of the prime rules of astrology, which every learned astrologer should know and use. Note: Most of the other reasons you listed are outside the systematic approach of result derivation I was taught and practicing. Remember that, considering numerous

parameters will make one confused. He he loss his confidence for making solid predication based on the prime factors he observed (since he would be unable to consider all parameters and the opposing parameters will put him in confusion). Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > True, it does not make sense to just to talk about planet 'X' placed in house 'Y' ignoring the rest of the environment as the results could be 180 degree opposite based on the other factors in the chart. We could come up with innumerable examples to demonstrate this.> > Though Satrun is placed in the 4th house in my chart, I did not face

any ill effects of a malefic being placed in the 4th for the following reasons:> > - Saturn's dispositor is yogakaraka Mars. Mars is placed in a Kendra.> - Satrun is aspected by its dispositor yogakaraka Mars> - Saturn does not have any aspect of Jupiter or Mercury. But, Satrun is placed in the nakshatra of Mercury. Mercury is in a Kendra closely conjunct Venus.> - Saturn himself is yogakaraka fom Moon> - Satrun is aspected by Moon, Moon being in its exaltation sign in a Kendra.> - Satrun does not disposit any other planet, hence is not influenced by other planets other than Mars, Moon and Mercury. All these three planets are positively influencing Satrun.> > Therefore, it is important to look at so many things before arriving at a conclusion whether Satrun acts good or bad in the chart. We can not just go by "Saturn is in 4th, therefore...". It is important to also know what damage Satrun can casue in the

4th house, when it is behaving as a malefic.> > The problem is that we usually look at only one side of the coin. But, when we toss a coin, it could show its other face as well ;-)> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> That was a good note. And so here are some exceptions. But prior to that let me present some points - > * "If some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it. The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them . He will cause sorrow for father and mother, his will loose his house, his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed. And he may end up as a rheumatic patient". > These are all true IF AND ONLY IF we consider the point that "A natural malefic will destroy the merits of the house in which it is posited". To add to it if you consider the fact that,

Saturn has the nature of "Reducing" things (whether it be money, property, happiness or anything else) there is a chance that the above statement would be more correct to the truth.> But the question is - "Why not consider the significance of Saturn as well"? Saturn signify Land Property; Saturn signify solid properties like and old but strong house (maternal property, since 4th house); Saturn signify daily livelihood(! thus income!). > How these things would get affected if Saturn is in 4th house? Significator in its own house AMPLIFY the things signified by it. Thus Saturn in 4th will provide AMPLE amount of Land property, the native would be blessed with maternal property such as a strong but old house, and a continuous livelihood (minimum but enough for living!). > The above statement seems to contradict the statement given in Chamatkara chintamani; but it is NOT. Why? Because for the above statement to become true some pre-conditions should be met

(yes, the exceptions Krishna ji is pointing to..)> * Saturn should be STROMGLY placed (This AMPLIFIES the above significance such as land indicated by Saturn; and makes the normal effects of Saturn as malefic irrelevant; Remember the general dictum that no planet is malefic or benefit)> * The LORD OF THE HOUSE (here 4th house) in which Saturn is placed should be STRONG. (This AMPLIFIES the significance of the house and the items indicated by it and makes push benefic results through Saturn which is placed in that house)> * You can consider the benefic aspect of Jupiter or Mercury on the house (But this rule is not much important in generating the above result such as land property)> Dear Krishna ji and Chiranjiv ji, check your charts you will see above said exception rules in action. Hope this helps. (Ofcourse Sunil ji knows this rules already, as I could guess.) > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > --- In

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sanjeev ji,> > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, it appears that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in writing. They held back some key things (or important riders for each combintion written down) and passed them only to their trusted students orally. Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations given in writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or without knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. I too have Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is th and 7th lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and see what are the other exceptions to the rule

or what is the applicable zone of the dictum.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > Namaskar,> > Nairji,> > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs response. In > > one such reply u said following:> > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the> > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The> > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He> > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his> > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a> > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above happened to > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u

mentioned)> > Birth data given below:> > DoB:5/8/1966> > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > Place: Gwalior> > > > Please explain.> > Regards,> > Sanjeev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Namaskar,

Mr. Nair,

Produce me something which I said earlier and now saying differently.

I hope this message will be posted.

 

Sanjeev

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear chandra ji

>

> some way mother suffered is showing in the chart

>

> As sani in 4th house as 2nd lord and 3rd Lord a vakri sani dasa at

birth

> .and sub sub period was merc

>

> which is maraka frm lagna for him and frm 4th house and karaka for

> mother MOON

>

> Now he says contrary to what he posted b4 some months and says non

of

> this is happened .

>

>

>

> even rahu ( always retro planet is in 2nd to 4th house and karaka

for

> mother ) if rahu also joins moon along with sat and he born in this

> dasa nativ may be abandoned by family or mother .

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

>

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have

> > suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is

possible.

> > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e.

> into

> > spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice

> > created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of

Guru

> > and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual

guy

> > seeking grace thru sadhana.

> >

> > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear chandra ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person

appraoched me

> > > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to

know abt

> > > its success .

> > >

> > > regds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear friend,

> > > >

> > > > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And

Moon

> > and

> > > > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any

loss of

> > 4th

> > > > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted

Yoga.

> > > > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering

may

> > have

> > > > made the native more spiritual...

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy

> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjeev ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately,

it

> > > appears

> > > > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in

writing.

> They

> > > > held back some key things (or important riders for each

combintion

> > > > written down) and passed them only to their trusted students

> orally.

> > > > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations

given

> in

> > > > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or

without

> > > > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the

> > > > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too.

I too

> > > have

> > > > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is

th and

> > 7th

> > > > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and

see

> > what

> > > > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable

> zone

> > of

> > > > the dictum.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:

> > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > Nairji,

> > > > > I read this thread in other " group " , which contained urs

> response.

> > > In

> > > > > one such reply u said following:

> > > > >

> > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will

lose

> the

> > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy

it

> > .The

> > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for

them

> > .He

> > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his

house

> > > ,his

> > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end

up as

> a

> > > > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)

> > > > >

> > > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above

> happened

> > > to

> > > > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)

> > > > > Birth data given below:

> > > > > DoB:5/8/1966

> > > > > ToB:16-10 Hrs

> > > > > Place: Gwalior

> > > > >

> > > > > Please explain.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Sanjeev

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear pashu sanju

 

U were in unneccessary egerness to prove me wrong who quoted classics .Wat u wanted to say ,sunil nair is wrong or classics is wrong ??

 

1) u know some one is trying to creat a controversy and u jump in using as a appropriate time .which i find in u b4 also and i warned u very frndly b4 also to keep avoid such tasks

 

2) if u read it u know its one planet one sign based writing which can modyfied worst or good depending on chart as u r not a novice in astrology .

 

3) in ur last communication some month back u told me he ( the nativ whose chart u posted ) dont hav house other than what govt giv and also no vehicles ( which i remebr and re produced in grp today ) Now you r saying ,he is enjoying everything

 

Also a signification in chart is for whole life time ,even u said he is sick of cource sickness can come any time ,but u said now he is as strong as twin tower of US

 

4) atleast we in this grp follows the ancint system of astro which is based 3 pillars to know the results ( i dont hav time or mind to elaborate it ) as 12 bhavs relate 1 mn things in human life .

 

5) why u expect like others i shud post whole vedic astro concept for a simple question,that also knowingly creat tensions and hate as u know its not possible or even i mention in personal reply to u tho u may act angel now .

 

6) this grp is a discussion grp ,i am not teaching and no gurus here and we r doing it with max humility ,even i dont worry if i go falter also i attempted in many blind charts in my name .so u can understand my bold ness ,even i attempted US election with avilable data s very long back without thinking what others has predicted ,( its based on available charts and astro principles ) ,i dont waited what is public opinion or news paper report .

 

7)if u know english u very well know that how to answer such queries .Will u answer in exam for a objectiv type of question a full essay ??????????/ So dont take humility as a sign of cowardice ,i am vivekanda fan udhistatha jagratha ----,so i dont care what others will say abt me ,Mr nair shud b mild ,as i am not into opinion making business , i enetered the tread when some one was corrupting ancient vedic principles .If it is my duty then i will hav to do it ,i dont care who come in between or provokes.I am not that ahimsa vadi that hindustan also dont need army to protect and god will take care of .

 

but ppl like u r bad names to astro ( wheter learning or hobby ) looking for opportunities to unload ur frustrations and failures on others ,i dont think u can carry out a good discussion this way .

 

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

 

, "pashu_sanju" <pashu_sanju wrote:>> Namaskar,> Mr. Nair,> Produce me something which I said earlier and now saying differently. > I hope this message will be posted.> > Sanjeev> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear chandra ji> > > > some way mother suffered is showing in the chart> > > > As sani in 4th house as 2nd lord and 3rd Lord a vakri sani dasa at > birth> > .and sub sub period was merc> > > > which is maraka frm lagna for him and frm 4th house and karaka for> > mother MOON> > > > Now he says contrary to what he posted b4 some months and says non > of> > this is happened .> > > > > > > > even rahu ( always retro planet is in 2nd to 4th house and karaka > for> > mother ) if rahu also joins moon along with sat and he born in this> > dasa nativ may be abandoned by family or mother .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may have> > > suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is > possible.> > > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus i.e.> > into> > > spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and practice> > > created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is of > Guru> > > and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a spiritual > guy> > > seeking grace thru sadhana.> > >> > > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear chandra ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person > appraoched me> > > > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to > know abt> > > > its success .> > > >> > > > regds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear friend,> > > > >> > > > > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage. And > Moon> > > and> > > > > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any > loss of> > > 4th> > > > > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted > Yoga.> > > > > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's suffering > may> > > have> > > > > made the native more spiritual...> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sanjeev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I can understand what you are trying to say. Unfortunately, > it> > > > appears> > > > > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in > writing.> > They> > > > > held back some key things (or important riders for each > combintion> > > > > written down) and passed them only to their trusted students> > orally.> > > > > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the combinations > given> > in> > > > > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or > without> > > > > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to find the> > > > > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own good.> > > > > >> > > > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case too. > I too> > > > have> > > > > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat is > th and> > > 7th> > > > > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts and > see> > > what> > > > > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the applicable> > zone> > > of> > > > > the dictum.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:> > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > Nairji,> > > > > > I read this thread in other "group", which contained urs> > response.> > > > In> > > > > > one such reply u said following:> > > > > >> > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will > lose> > the> > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy > it> > > .The> > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for > them> > > .He> > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his > house> > > > ,his> > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end > up as> > a> > > > > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)> > > > > >> > > > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of above> > happened> > > > to> > > > > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u mentioned)> > > > > > Birth data given below:> > > > > > DoB:5/8/1966> > > > > > ToB:16-10 Hrs> > > > > > Place: Gwalior> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sanjeev> >>

[Guest guest]

Namaskar,

Mr. nair,

As regards with point no.3, of urs post under above thread, i would

like to say few things. I did not write what u collect from mememory

that is he is does not have vehicle or is strong as twin tower os Us

(which incidentally have fallen post 9/11)> I am quoting following

from my psot in that group:

 

On 17 February'2008 I wrote " As I mentioned earlier this

native is class I officer in Govt of India. since he pious and god

fearing aand spritually inclined, so he is an honest man. An honest

officer who has been provided with house and vehicle by Govt. But

bank balance, u can guess, not much. "

 

On same day I again wrote " He is a Class I officer in Government of

India, and pursues and spritualism. He had bit of health troble last

year. "

 

In above statements, I said same which I have said in various of my

threads in this group including non-posted replies of mine.

 

I hope above will find space in this august group posting as atleast

I deserve to clarify points mentioned by you that i am stating

contrary to earlier statements.

 

 

Regards,

sanjeev

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear pashu sanju

>

>

>

> U were in unneccessary egerness to prove me wrong who quoted

> classics .Wat u wanted to say ,sunil nair is wrong or classics is

wrong

> ??

>

>

>

> 1) u know some one is trying to creat a controversy and u jump in

using

> as a appropriate time .which i find in u b4 also and i warned u very

> frndly b4 also to keep avoid such tasks

>

>

>

> 2) if u read it u know its one planet one sign based writing which

can

> modyfied worst or good depending on chart as u r not a novice in

> astrology .

>

>

>

> 3) in ur last communication some month back u told me he ( the nativ

> whose chart u posted ) dont hav house other than what govt giv and

also

> no vehicles ( which i remebr and re produced in grp today ) Now you

r

> saying ,he is enjoying everything

>

>

>

> Also a signification in chart is for whole life time ,even u said

he is

> sick of cource sickness can come any time ,but u said now he is as

> strong as twin tower of US

>

>

>

> 4) atleast we in this grp follows the ancint system of astro which

is

> based 3 pillars to know the results ( i dont hav time or mind to

> elaborate it ) as 12 bhavs relate 1 mn things in human life .

>

>

>

> 5) why u expect like others i shud post whole vedic astro concept

for a

> simple question,that also knowingly creat tensions and hate as u

know

> its not possible or even i mention in personal reply to u tho u may

act

> angel now .

>

>

>

> 6) this grp is a discussion grp ,i am not teaching and no gurus

here and

> we r doing it with max humility ,even i dont worry if i go falter

also

> i attempted in many blind charts in my name .so u can understand my

bold

> ness ,even i attempted US election with avilable data s very long

back

> without thinking what others has predicted ,( its based on available

> charts and astro principles ) ,i dont waited what is public opinion

or

> news paper report .

>

>

>

> 7)if u know english u very well know that how to answer such

queries

> .Will u answer in exam for a objectiv type of question a full essay

> ??????????/ So dont take humility as a sign of cowardice ,i am

vivekanda

> fan udhistatha jagratha ----,so i dont care what others will say

abt me

> ,Mr nair shud b mild ,as i am not into opinion making business , i

> enetered the tread when some one was corrupting ancient vedic

principles

> .If it is my duty then i will hav to do it ,i dont care who come in

> between or provokes.I am not that ahimsa vadi that hindustan also

dont

> need army to protect and god will take care of .

>

>

>

> but ppl like u r bad names to astro ( wheter learning or hobby )

> looking for opportunities to unload ur frustrations and failures on

> others ,i dont think u can carry out a good discussion this way .

>

>

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, " pashu_sanju "

> <pashu_sanju@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskar,

> > Mr. Nair,

> > Produce me something which I said earlier and now saying

differently.

> > I hope this message will be posted.

> >

> > Sanjeev

> >

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna

> > >

> > > dear chandra ji

> > >

> > > some way mother suffered is showing in the chart

> > >

> > > As sani in 4th house as 2nd lord and 3rd Lord a vakri sani dasa

at

> > birth

> > > .and sub sub period was merc

> > >

> > > which is maraka frm lagna for him and frm 4th house and karaka

for

> > > mother MOON

> > >

> > > Now he says contrary to what he posted b4 some months and says

non

> > of

> > > this is happened .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > even rahu ( always retro planet is in 2nd to 4th house and

karaka

> > for

> > > mother ) if rahu also joins moon along with sat and he born in

this

> > > dasa nativ may be abandoned by family or mother .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > Native's mother may have got deserted by father and she may

have

> > > > suffered a lot. Even early widowhood/remarriage of mother is

> > possible.

> > > > Native is spiritual Guru_Mangala yoga (1-5) vitiated by Venus

i.e.

> > > into

> > > > spiritual jargon with the usual gap between preaching and

practice

> > > > created by Venus. Venus in Mithuna gives fantacies. Lagna is

of

> > Guru

> > > > and aspected by Guru and Sani - overall picture is of a

spiritual

> > guy

> > > > seeking grace thru sadhana.

> > > >

> > > > But Mars affected by Venus is a hurdle

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear chandra ji

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I do remebr now ,I think in some other grp same person

> > appraoched me

> > > > > with same chart to know abt spirituality in this person .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > he said this nativ is into spiritual sadhanas and wanted to

> > know abt

> > > > > its success .

> > > > >

> > > > > regds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vargas can explain as to why Sani did not do the damage.

And

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > > Saturn are very close and the individual may not feel any

> > loss of

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > house. 4th lord is well placed even though in an afflicted

> > Yoga.

> > > > > > Definitely, Mother must have suffered and mother's

suffering

> > may

> > > > have

> > > > > > made the native more spiritual...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjeev ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can understand what you are trying to say.

Unfortunately,

> > it

> > > > > appears

> > > > > > that our sages did not put down all their knowledge in

> > writing.

> > > They

> > > > > > held back some key things (or important riders for each

> > combintion

> > > > > > written down) and passed them only to their trusted

students

> > > orally.

> > > > > > Here we make a mistake of blindly applying the

combinations

> > given

> > > in

> > > > > > writing and go wrong without knowing when to apply what or

> > without

> > > > > > knowing what are the exceptions. It is our job now to

find the

> > > > > > applicability of each dictum and document it for our own

good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In fact, the dictum totally goes wrong in my own case

too.

> > I too

> > > > > have

> > > > > > Sat in 4th and Sat is not the lagna lord. In my case Sat

is

> > th and

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > lord from Lagna. Hence, my take would be to study charts

and

> > see

> > > > what

> > > > > > are the other exceptions to the rule or what is the

applicable

> > > zone

> > > > of

> > > > > > the dictum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pashu_sanju pashu_sanju@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > Nairji,

> > > > > > > I read this thread in other " group " , which contained urs

> > > response.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > one such reply u said following:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will

> > lose

> > > the

> > > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant

enjoy

> > it

> > > > .The

> > > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name

for

> > them

> > > > .He

> > > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose

his

> > house

> > > > > ,his

> > > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may

end

> > up as

> > > a

> > > > > > > ruematic patient .} (U QUOTED FROM CHAMATKAR CHINTAMANI)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have one chart which has shani in 4H, but none of

above

> > > happened

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > him.(Shani is not lagnesh for him, an exception u

mentioned)

> > > > > > > Birth data given below:

> > > > > > > DoB:5/8/1966

> > > > > > > ToB:16-10 Hrs

> > > > > > > Place: Gwalior

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please explain.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Sanjeev

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hare rama krishna

dear pashu sanju

 

agreed and now u know why some one shud stop creating nuisances .And keep the dignity of discussion in that level and within the area of subjuct .

 

A class one officer dont show strong 4th house .Even every one will agree a strong affinity towards family matters ( as 4th house demnds and represents ) will be a block in strong 10th house matters .

 

for ex- madam Nooyi cheif of pepsico india ,her daughter asked mother for 30 minits apptment .

 

as she is away frm family for weeks and months ,as her strong 10th house of profession may be may be showing ( i dont hav her chart ) which is a opposite and maraka house of 4th house .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "pashu_sanju" <pashu_sanju wrote:>> Namaskar,> Mr. nair,> As regards with point no.3, of urs post under above thread, i would > like to say few things. I did not write what u collect from mememory > that is he is does not have vehicle or is strong as twin tower os Us> (which incidentally have fallen post 9/11)> I am quoting following > from my psot in that group:> > On 17 February'2008 I wrote"As I mentioned earlier this> native is class I officer in Govt of India. since he pious and god> fearing aand spritually inclined, so he is an honest man. An honest> officer who has been provided with house and vehicle by Govt. But> bank balance, u can guess, not much."> > On same day I again wrote"He is a Class I officer in Government of > India, and pursues and spritualism. He had bit of health troble last > year."> > In above statements, I said same which I have said in various of my > threads in this group including non-posted replies of mine.> > I hope above will find space in this august group posting as atleast > I deserve to clarify points mentioned by you that i am stating > contrary to earlier statements.> > > Regards,> sanjeev> > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear pashu sanju> > > > > > > > U were in unneccessary egerness to prove me wrong who quoted > > classics .Wat u wanted to say ,sunil nair is wrong or classics is > wrong> > ??> > > > > > > > 1) u know some one is trying to creat a controversy and u jump in > using> > as a appropriate time .which i find in u b4 also and i warned u very> > frndly b4 also to keep avoid such tasks> > > > > > > > 2) if u read it u know its one planet one sign based writing which > can> > modyfied worst or good depending on chart as u r not a novice in> > astrology .> > > > > > > > 3) in ur last communication some month back u told me he ( the nativ> > whose chart u posted ) dont hav house other than what govt giv and > also> > no vehicles ( which i remebr and re produced in grp today ) Now you > r> > saying ,he is enjoying everything> > > > > > > > Also a signification in chart is for whole life time ,even u said > he is> > sick of cource sickness can come any time ,but u said now he is as> > strong as twin tower of US> > > > > > > > 4) atleast we in this grp follows the ancint system of astro which > is> > based 3 pillars to know the results ( i dont hav time or mind to> > elaborate it ) as 12 bhavs relate 1 mn things in human life .> > > > > > > > 5) why u expect like others i shud post whole vedic astro concept > for a> > simple question,that also knowingly creat tensions and hate as u > know> > its not possible or even i mention in personal reply to u tho u may > act> > angel now .> > > > > > > > 6) this grp is a discussion grp ,i am not teaching and no gurus > here and> > we r doing it with max humility ,even i dont worry if i go falter > also> > i attempted in many blind charts in my name .so u can understand my > bold> > ness ,even i attempted US election with avilable data s very long > back> > without thinking what others has predicted ,( its based on available> > charts and astro principles ) ,i dont waited what is public opinion > or> > news paper report .> > > > > > > > 7)if u know english u very well know that how to answer such > queries> > .Will u answer in exam for a objectiv type of question a full essay> > ??????????/ So dont take humility as a sign of cowardice ,i am > vivekanda> > fan udhistatha jagratha ----,so i dont care what others will say > abt me> > ,Mr nair shud b mild ,as i am not into opinion making business , i> > enetered the tread when some one was corrupting ancient vedic > principles> > .If it is my duty then i will hav to do it ,i dont care who come in> > between or provokes.I am not that ahimsa vadi that hindustan also > dont> > need army to protect and god will take care of .> > > > > > > > but ppl like u r bad names to astro ( wheter learning or hobby ) > > looking for opportunities to unload ur frustrations and failures on> > others ,i dont think u can carry out a good discussion this way .> > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah