Questions regd. second type of VRY

April 17, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear raj ji

u asked abt vry .Here is my thoughts on it .

In second type of VRY, where Dushtana Lords - ie. 8th Lord and 12th Lord are conjunct in ASC:

ans --i dont know VRY can be produced simply by conjunction of dustana lords .More learned persons can tell u .Vipareetha raja yoga is when dustana Lord is placed in dustana ,so loses the dustana effects and promotes prosperity ,More so if they conjunct with those rasi lords .(1) For Libra Lagna, 8th Lord is also the Lagnesh.. Does Lagnesh qualify as dusthana Lord at all?

ans ---i will say yes ,for tula lagna venus can act like a dustana lord under special conditions .Esp when considering marakatwa effects .Pls remebr venus is also natural maraka lord ( lord of 2nd and 7th frm natural chart or kalapurusha ) also venus provides exaltation for natural mrityu karaka ,dukha karaka sani ,so such venus if afflicted and placed in lagna may be act like dustana Lord ( again i invite such charts --here i am using logik only )

(2) If the dusthana Lord(s) are combust (in the presense of SUN in ASC), does this VRY gets weak? ex-PM PV Narasimha Rao's VRY dusthana Lord was also combust... I'm wondering is there any remedy to strengthen the Combust Lord..

ans---i will say combust weak lord of dustana is good ( when malefics are weak they should be good only we hav to see tru real examples more ) ,and for tula lagna if they hav venus +merc +sun in lagna ,there may be raja yoga in this 3 dasas .

Thanks for your time,Raj Upadhrasta.

let some one can post any of this kind of charts ,but make sure that the dasa is over .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

April 17, 2008

Dear Rajji,

There are people who does not understand the classical principle and offer interpretations. Your issue is one such case.

1. Vipareetha Rajayoga is when 6-8-12 lords associate in either of 6-8-12. Please be clear on this funda.

2. When the 6-8-12 combine in Kendra or trikona, it is Dainya Yoga and not a Rajayoga.

With these variations understood, look at examples.

chandra hari

, Raj Upadhrasta <suryanayaka wrote:>> Shri Sunilji,> Namaskar,> > Shri Pt. Sanjay Rath's notes mention 2 types of VRYs:> > either (a) be weak by placement in a Dusthana (evil houses 3rd, 6th, 8th & 12th ) or in debility in Rasi/Navamsa > OR (b) be very strong in Kendra/Trikona and simultaneously transfer the power to the Lord of Lagna (or Atmakaraka) by conjunction or aspect.> > Examples:-> Rajiv Gandhi had second type of VRY where dusthana Lords met in ASC> PV Narasimha Rao had second type of VRY where dusthana Lords met in Kendra - the 10th House.> > Sincerely,> Raj Upadhrasta> > *****> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > hare rama krishna> dear raj ji > u asked abt vry .Here is my thoughts on it .> > In second type of VRY, where Dushtana Lords - ie. 8th Lord and 12th Lord are conjunct in ASC:> ans --i dont know VRY can be produced simply by conjunction of dustana lords .More learned persons can tell u .Vipareetha raja yoga is when dustana Lord is placed in dustana ,so loses the dustana effects and promotes prosperity ,More so if they conjunct with those rasi lords .> > (1) For Libra Lagna, 8th Lord is also the Lagnesh.. Does Lagnesh qualify as dusthana Lord at all?> > ans ---i will say yes ,for tula lagna venus can act like a dustana lord under special conditions .Esp when considering marakatwa effects .Pls remebr venus is also natural maraka lord ( lord of 2nd and 7th frm natural chart or kalapurusha ) also venus provides exaltation for natural mrityu karaka ,dukha karaka sani ,so such venus if afflicted and placed in lagna may be act like dustana Lord ( again i invite such charts --here i am using logik only ) > > (2) If the dusthana Lord(s) are combust (in the presense of SUN in ASC), does this VRY gets weak? ex-PM PV Narasimha Rao's VRY dusthana Lord was also combust... I'm wondering is there any remedy to strengthen the Combust Lord..> ans---i will say combust weak lord of dustana is good ( when malefics are weak they should be good only we hav to see tru real examples more ) ,and for tula lagna if they hav venus +merc +sun in lagna ,there may be raja yoga in this 3 dasas .> > > Thanks for your time,> Raj Upadhrasta.> > let some one can post any of this kind of charts ,but make sure that the dasa is over .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

April 17, 2008

Dear Sunil,

You have said rightly abt VRY. But there is some discussion like "Natural Maraka" for Kalapurusha - a designation given to Venus. Please rethink whether such designations are permitted?

Can we define Natural Yogakaraka? I think these designations are only for natal horoscopes of individuals. Speaking of Maraka for Kalapurusha does not seem to be ok. Are we not unknowingly extending the logic? And can we give marakatva to Venus as compared to others by any stretch of logic?

How could it be that Venus was made maraka for Kalapurusha over malefics like Saturn and Mars? We enter into a dispute with the lordship assigned.

chandra hari

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > hare rama krishna> > dear raj ji> > u asked abt vry .Here is my thoughts on it .> > > > In second type of VRY, where Dushtana Lords - ie. 8th Lord and 12th> Lord are conjunct in ASC:> > ans --i dont know VRY can be produced simply by conjunction of dustana> lords .More learned persons can tell u .Vipareetha raja yoga is when> dustana Lord is placed in dustana ,so loses the dustana effects and> promotes prosperity ,More so if they conjunct with those rasi lords .> > (1) For Libra Lagna, 8th Lord is also the Lagnesh.. Does Lagnesh qualify> as dusthana Lord at all?> > > ans ---i will say yes ,for tula lagna venus can act like a dustana lord> under special conditions .Esp when considering marakatwa effects .Pls> remebr venus is also natural maraka lord ( lord of 2nd and 7th frm> natural chart or kalapurusha ) also venus provides exaltation for> natural mrityu karaka ,dukha karaka sani ,so such venus if afflicted and> placed in lagna may be act like dustana Lord ( again i invite such> charts --here i am using logik only )> > > (2) If the dusthana Lord(s) are combust (in the presense of SUN in ASC),> does this VRY gets weak? ex-PM PV Narasimha Rao's VRY dusthana Lord was> also combust... I'm wondering is there any remedy to strengthen the> Combust Lord..> > ans---i will say combust weak lord of dustana is good ( when malefics> are weak they should be good only we hav to see tru real examples more )> ,and for tula lagna if they hav venus +merc +sun in lagna ,there may be> raja yoga in this 3 dasas .> > > > Thanks for your time,> Raj Upadhrasta.> > > > let some one can post any of this kind of charts ,but make sure that the> dasa is over .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah>

April 17, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear chandra ji ,

yes ,i may extenting a logik ,as i wrongly said maraka for kaala purusha .How can there is be kalapurusha can hav marak ,as its perpetual and never ending without even a begining .

But i used the natural wording as 2nd and 7th houses are maraka ,so when it combine with individual charts that may b the reason for tula lagna natives venus dasa in later or even middle ages proving disastrous in many cases .

or mayb this logik may suit more - when benefics own a kendra they become malefics --(1) ,and the Lord of 8th is malefic (2) but same time trikona lord is benefic ( as lagna is both ) ,so venus has 2 dosha and one guna ,here also dosh athikya is more and so venus can act like a maraka or malefic .( This may be another possible Logic )

Thanks for pointing out my lack of understanding

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxa

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil,> > You have said rightly abt VRY. But there is some discussion like> "Natural Maraka" for Kalapurusha - a designation given to Venus. Please> rethink whether such designations are permitted?> > Can we define Natural Yogakaraka? I think these designations are only> for natal horoscopes of individuals. Speaking of Maraka for Kalapurusha> does not seem to be ok. Are we not unknowingly extending the logic? > And can we give marakatva to Venus as compared to others by any stretch> of logic?> > How could it be that Venus was made maraka for Kalapurusha over> malefics like Saturn and Mars? We enter into a dispute with the> lordship assigned.> > chandra hari> > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > hare rama krishna> >> > dear raj ji> >> > u asked abt vry .Here is my thoughts on it .> >> >> >> > In second type of VRY, where Dushtana Lords - ie. 8th Lord and 12th> > Lord are conjunct in ASC:> >> > ans --i dont know VRY can be produced simply by conjunction of dustana> > lords .More learned persons can tell u .Vipareetha raja yoga is when> > dustana Lord is placed in dustana ,so loses the dustana effects and> > promotes prosperity ,More so if they conjunct with those rasi lords .> >> > (1) For Libra Lagna, 8th Lord is also the Lagnesh.. Does Lagnesh> qualify> > as dusthana Lord at all?> >> >> > ans ---i will say yes ,for tula lagna venus can act like a dustana> lord> > under special conditions .Esp when considering marakatwa effects .Pls> > remebr venus is also natural maraka lord ( lord of 2nd and 7th frm> > natural chart or kalapurusha ) also venus provides exaltation for> > natural mrityu karaka ,dukha karaka sani ,so such venus if afflicted> and> > placed in lagna may be act like dustana Lord ( again i invite such> > charts --here i am using logik only )> >> >> > (2) If the dusthana Lord(s) are combust (in the presense of SUN in> ASC),> > does this VRY gets weak? ex-PM PV Narasimha Rao's VRY dusthana Lord> was> > also combust... I'm wondering is there any remedy to strengthen the> > Combust Lord..> >> > ans---i will say combust weak lord of dustana is good ( when malefics> > are weak they should be good only we hav to see tru real examples more> )> > ,and for tula lagna if they hav venus +merc +sun in lagna ,there may> be> > raja yoga in this 3 dasas .> >> >> >> > Thanks for your time,> > Raj Upadhrasta.> >> >> >> > let some one can post any of this kind of charts ,but make sure that> the> > dasa is over .> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >>

April 17, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear raj ji

I just made rajeev Gandhis chart and find that Moon (12th L ) jup ( 5th Lord and 8th Lord ) in lagna if u call its what VRY .

Classics says that moon and sun dont hav the blemish of dustana lord ships unless afflicted heavily (except 6th Lord ships )

Guru is 5th Lord more when we calculte yogas as its Mooltrikona is 5th house and more over guru is sitting in oja rasi ,so again he 5th lord ship is being counting more .

also when sun +merc +jup is combined in a kendra or esp lagna it becomes a mahadhana yoga .

Also do u think during that 2hrs window ( to get Leo lagna ) on the day of rajeevs is born ,no body shares the same chart ??,so desa ,kala ,patra ,paristiti ,kula ,gotra ,family principles should also seen .Is it not .??

Same is the case with Narasimha rao ji ,sun is not a malefic because of 12th Lord ship ( sun and moon as 12th lord neither good nor bad ,so nuetral ---also think VRY means loosing the malefic effects and the planet is becoming benefic ,so if there is no malefic effect how can he qaulify for VRY ) and so their conjunction dont qaulifies as what u say .also sun and mars is digbali in 10th house and also 10th Lord and lagna lord merc is also there .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Raj Upadhrasta <suryanayaka wrote:>> Shri Sunilji,> Namaskar,> > Shri Pt. Sanjay Rath's notes mention 2 types of VRYs:> > either (a) be weak by placement in a Dusthana (evil houses 3rd, 6th, 8th & 12th ) or in debility in Rasi/Navamsa > OR (b) be very strong in Kendra/Trikona and simultaneously transfer the power to the Lord of Lagna (or Atmakaraka) by conjunction or aspect.> > Examples:-> Rajiv Gandhi had second type of VRY where dusthana Lords met in ASC> PV Narasimha Rao had second type of VRY where dusthana Lords met in Kendra - the 10th House.> > Sincerely,> Raj Upadhrasta> > *****> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > hare rama krishna> dear raj ji > u asked abt vry .Here is my thoughts on it .> > In second type of VRY, where Dushtana Lords - ie. 8th Lord and 12th Lord are conjunct in ASC:> ans --i dont know VRY can be produced simply by conjunction of dustana lords .More learned persons can tell u .Vipareetha raja yoga is when dustana Lord is placed in dustana ,so loses the dustana effects and promotes prosperity ,More so if they conjunct with those rasi lords .> > (1) For Libra Lagna, 8th Lord is also the Lagnesh.. Does Lagnesh qualify as dusthana Lord at all?> > ans ---i will say yes ,for tula lagna venus can act like a dustana lord under special conditions .Esp when considering marakatwa effects .Pls remebr venus is also natural maraka lord ( lord of 2nd and 7th frm natural chart or kalapurusha ) also venus provides exaltation for natural mrityu karaka ,dukha karaka sani ,so such venus if afflicted and placed in lagna may be act like dustana Lord ( again i invite such charts --here i am using logik only ) > > (2) If the dusthana Lord(s) are combust (in the presense of SUN in ASC), does this VRY gets weak? ex-PM PV Narasimha Rao's VRY dusthana Lord was also combust... I'm wondering is there any remedy to strengthen the Combust Lord..> ans---i will say combust weak lord of dustana is good ( when malefics are weak they should be good only we hav to see tru real examples more ) ,and for tula lagna if they hav venus +merc +sun in lagna ,there may be raja yoga in this 3 dasas .> > > Thanks for your time,> Raj Upadhrasta.> > let some one can post any of this kind of charts ,but make sure that the dasa is over .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah